Repeat Theist Caller Defends Slavery | Mr. Delicieux (??) - CAN | S2E16
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- Mr. Delicieux calls back to argue that he is one of the only true Christians in the world today. Eric takes off the jacket and gets ready for a Bible-off, but things quickly turn ugly. This theist jumps straight into slavery apologetics, and Vi is having NONE of it.
If you want to watch the last time Mr. Delicieux called in (suggesting that the seven day week proves God), you can find that link here: • The Seven Day Week Pro...
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This is a guy who loves the sound of his own voice. He blew past arrogance into narcissism at 300 words a second.
I'm glad I'm not the only one feeling hyperventilated just listening...
He does the same thing every time on every show he calls into the pride and arrogance are astounding. Especially for someone who supposedly follows the teachings of Jesus he's just a proper 🔔end plain and simple.
Is sooooo annoying
Well, he *knows* he is 100% right, so why let any doubt or correction enter the preacher’s monologue? Also, gish-galloping is a good old tradition.
Fancy footwork is the key to let them ignore that that is all you have.
Which 10 commandments? The real ones or the ones everyone quotes today?
Love how sensitive this guy is about calling a Jesus a zombie but then he defends slavery. Right.
Priorities
@@UlexiteTVStoneLexite exactly what I thought lol
Well god is too fragile to be insulted lol. Dont forget he created humans so we can all kiss his ass!
I know..is ghost preferable to zombie? Or perhaps Vampire since his followers drink blood to honor him
@@miconis123 Q: do vampires drink blood? When do vampires let others drink their blood? Is it not more typical for vampires to drain humans than to feed them?
Sure, there are those who live in a fantasy world where vampires sparkle in sunlight any other crazy stuff and they might dream up vampires that feed humans (instead of feed *on* humans)… but in reality vampires in sunlight turn to dust!
No, if at all, those drinking make-believe blood would be make-believe vampires who neither sparkle nor turn to dust in sunlight.
And then there is the Holy Spirit … found in whiskey, Aquavit and other “waters of life”.
So … a make-believe sugar-god-daddy and his wannabe-zombie/vampire son go into a bar and order some holy spirits … which enters their body and then they speak in tongues and fall to the ground. And that is why it is ok to kill everyone, down to their animals - but let the virgin girls see what happens to their family before they enter a lifetime of rape and sexual slavery and forced birthing … you must have unholy amounts of holy spirits inside you to think that that is in any way defensible. Unless you like the idea of molesting children very, very much, in which case you should not be on the same continent as any children.
As a 🇨🇦 Atheist I don't care that Le Chef is offended. Ridiculous ideas deserve to be ridiculed.
And god sacrificing himself to himself for a weekend as a loophole around his own laws is a particularly ridiculous idea.
well this casts doubt and questions cheffey's deepest psychological need for Certainty and the needy need to feel guided and protected by a cosmic "dad",Cheffy doesnt seem to have the maturity or courage to let go...
it is both laughable and tragic as the only recorded case of cosmic child abuse!
If he's offended, that's his fuckin problem. He wants christianity to be true, and he chose to call a secular show. He can suck it up.
It’s the snowflakes who are offended by everything and anything, screaming for rules against that … while whining and cheesing about “you cannot say anything anymore” because of “political correctness”.
Maybe you just can't comprehend it
This makes me feel sick. It also says a woman can get raped and then has to marry and stay with the rapist! That's fucking disgusting 😤
As someone whonwas raped by their grandfather from 5-10 years old the Bible would say I'd have to stay with my abuser. No the Bible is wrong. And as accurate and entertaining as zombies.
I've always wondered how that would work if the rapist was already married... if he was a priest and forbidden to marry ...if the rapist's victim was already married ...if she had massive debts and the husband had to assume his wife debts?
The simplistic, mindless, CRUEL biblical "laws" like this one are just a few of the reasons people disregard religion.
At least callers like "Mr. Delicieux" ("Terry"?) with his claims and assertions and assumptions and slithering and denial and outright lies make for interesting listening.
The guy laughing about a zombie not being able to walk through walls is quite ironic.
He was like "let's compare fiction.."
Isn't there a story in the New Testament about holy men rising from their tombs and walking among the living?
@@hunterv9983 yup
Well they can't lololol or can they????
@@hunterv9983 there's one in the old testament too about bones and Ezekiel or something.
As a Canadian I am extremely embarrassed by this person and he does not represent the views of the majority of the people here
Agreed. As a 🇨🇦 it's embassing to have fundies among us.
I understand that they've always been here but...damn..it's still embarrassing.
There's considerable evidence that the god of the bible cannot exist, just for starters the fact that there are multiple, incompatible religions disproves all monotheistic religions. Any "one true" god wouldn't allow these incompatible beliefs. Believe me when I say, there is much more. The bible and Koran are fairytale books, nothing more.
The Canadian government has repeatedly apologized for Mr. Le Chef.
Yeah, I wonder where this ding-dong was during the Truck-nuts rally? He must have been right there, babbling along with them!
@@Whiskey.T.Foxtrot Imagine yourself a Texan, with Abbott, Cruz, and Jeffress. Embarrassing and frightening.
Regardless if the virgin female was 8 or 28, it's morally wrong to take them as property.
no matter how attractive the price??
@@jimcarlson6157 I can see it making good business sense if you have a surplus.
They were "servants" and not "slaves," as the facts prove:
NO WHERE does it say you can mistreat your servants. And the rules apply to all SERVANTS because they are not slaves. Since when is there rules for slaves? There isn't. THAT is becaue they are “SERVANTS” - not “SLAVES.”
The word "slave" is a bad interpretation, just like "unicorn" in the Bible is not really a "unicorn," but a rhino or elasmotherium. Proverbs 22:7 >
New International Version
The rich rule over the poor, and the borrower is “SLAVE” to the lender.
New Living Translation
Just as the rich rule the poor, so the borrower is “SERVANT” to the lender.
English Standard Version
The rich rules over the poor, and the borrower is the “SLAVE” of the lender.
Berean Study Bible
The rich rule over the poor, and the borrower is “SLAVE” to the lender.
King James Bible
The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is “SERVANT” to the lender.
New King James Version
The rich rules over the poor, And the borrower is “SERVANT” to the lender.
Try to learn what I’m teaching you.
@@dorsdonstowe9403 If a human can be taken as spoils of war and inherited, they are property. It's morally wrong to keep humans as property no matter what label you slap on it. Try to learn that.
@@miconis123 No, they could agree to serve or be killed; thus, they weren't slaves.
This guy’s idea of “destroying” an argument is humorous.
He also thinks proving an argument just means repeating the exact same dumb shit over and over again lol
“I don’t need to prove God because I’ve clearly proved he exists multiple times with the 7 day cycle”
I mean he’s sorta right, but vi didn’t debunk shit
She was just arguing off emotions cus she obviously can’t refute it
@@ryanbrown9833 refute what?
@@reclusiarch6524 his arguments, she just said “i don’t give a fuck” “it’s bad” “your dishonest” which is also a dishonest claim. Heavily disagreeing with someone=/=them being dishonest
The patience and calm demeanor of the two hosts is impressive.
“Buy your slaves from the heathens around you”
Caller says it was only in the context of war tho…..
This is the guy with the "7 day week proof" of Christianity. Always the same crap.
The same 7 days that are all named after pagan gods?
@@memitim171 Yup, those 7 days.
@@memitim171 🤣😅
Yep. Mostly Norse gods.
He's a dildo. Sorry no he's not a dildo, coz a dildo is useful.
Sad person 😥
I thought so
His real name is Terry and yes he’s the 7 day cycle guy.
Ahhh, that guy. Yeah, he brews the kool aid and probably exports it overseas. He wants a seat in the retirement village in the sky so badly that reality isn't going to get in the way, ever.
He said his name is Terry, they got it wrong.
I thought it was him. Mr Unblock or Mr Delicieux(sp¿)
Edit: I apparently didn't read the title for the video where the spelling is...but thanks Mr Dishonest it is
@@chrissutliff1921 Just call him Mr Dishonest and he gets crazy triggered.
Hes also said his name is Nick
One of the parts that got me was when he said he kept the shellfish law but not the mixed fabric one because the fabric one he 'Didn't see any spiritual benefit from that'.
I find it interesting that he has some kind of 'radar' letting him detect which specific laws 'benefit the spirit' or not. I guess it's _really_ easy to claim something helps or hurts an aspect of your body that we have no reason to believe even exists. I mean, what are you gonna do against that claim? Test it? You can't experiment on a fantasy.
Also...wow that last bit. The fucking mental gymnastics to somehow read about 'Taking the women who haven't known a man for yourselves" and _somehow_ turning it into "Oh no it was actually a really great thing they got! they put them in one of the most respected positions!"
It's fucking gross, Jerry. Stop trying to pretend like ancient people having genocide and war crimes committed on them was somehow like them getting some wonderful fucking vacation stay just because it fits your narrative.
I'm surprised Eric skipped over the mixed fabrics thing since it clearly won him the challenge. It does amuse me when they go with the I'm a real Christian and 'they' aren't thing...it's not really the no true scotsman fallacy since they all claim to be 'real' but none of these people are actually Christians according to the scripture, scotsmen have to actually exist before you can argue if you're a true one or not... the fringe groups tend to follow it to the letter but outside monks and nuns (and not all of them follow it either) I bet you couldn't find me a single person in the whole of America who is actually a Christian. It isn't even an argument, it says what it says and you either follow it or you don't and I'd bet my life none of these callers do.
In addition, the caller utterly destroys his own argument without Eric really having to say anything as he claimed it's a sin to even *think* about adultery and if you claim you've never even thought about it for a nanosecond...well it ends there, because I simply don't believe you...that's a claim even wilder than God!
@@memitim171 Exactly that. Someone _actually_ following what the bible says to the letter wouldn't be doing so for long, they'd end up in prison. Not for any 'persecution', but from them breaking numerous laws, many supported by the myriad rainbow of Christians believing whatever selected handful of biblical teachings they like, whether they're part of the bible or not.
Another Christian who uses his own judgment to decide when God was being serious. Plus, the Hebrews weren't permitted Temple priestesses. Only Pagan Canaanites use the temple prostitutes. He's inserting his own imaginings into the text without basis. But he's hardly the first Christian to do so.
Actually, the bible says you should abide by the laws of the land, so that argument doesn't work.
Romans 13:1 ESV
"Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God."
I'm atheist, but let's not create a scarecrow to tilt at.
@@Argeaux2 Except the person on the call wasn't arguing about following the laws of the land, he specifically said that one of those old laws was kept and one wasn't because of how 'spiritually fulfilling' it was, so the argument is based on responding to that. I don't recall hearing him say anything about simply following the laws of the land.
It's okay, Jesus isn't a zombie. He's a lich. This has been well established.
He's just as bad as the "Whats your response" guy.
@@miguelquintana8076 was that Philip, who paid Tjump (no longer watch that super straight transphobe) for a debate?
He's not a Lich, he's a mindless Spectre.
A ghoul?
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Nah, he's a shaman from WoW. He resurrects and walks on water.
I totally get V's ire and outrage here. That sort of backpedaling and excuses are hella hard to take cordially.
Not to mention the misgendering.
It wasn’t backpedaling at all, she was going off crazy emotion and didn’t even refute shit lol
@@ryanbrown9833 they, not she
@@ripleyfuriosa5701 forgot vi was non binary
@@ryanbrown9833 fair, but Eric points it out in the video, which throws into question if you honestly watched the entire video
Jesus is definitely NOT lord over all nations. He wasn't even lord over his own town.
Do you know Jesus better than His own followers do?
@@firstcentury1885 can't know someone who never actually existed.
@@firstcentury1885 There are followers of an ancient dead man who they never spoke to or even met?… And they know him? Sounds wild.
@@firstcentury1885no independent evidence that jesus existed and even if he did no independent evidence of his "miracles" or resurrection and ascension. You get your information from a collection of different books written by different people at different times about different things which are of dubious and anonymous authorship, plagiarised each other, contain numerous contradictions, inconsistencies errors and historical, logical and scientific impossibilities, the original sources of which no longer exist, were written decades after the events which they purport to describe and for which there is no external , independent evidence or proof
Thank you for letting "Jerry" talk. It only solidified his malignant gaslighting personality. Ignorance, prejudice and fear walk hand in hand.
Compliments on your fine taste in music, 'DNA - Witch Hunt is such a splendid Rush cut!
@@DCronk-qc6sn you are awesome. Rush and Neil's poetic lyrics inspired me as a young child to question my beliefs and explore the universe. Bravo to you for recognizing their greatness. RUSH "Witch Hunt" Moving Pictures album (everyone else look this song up ❤)
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@@WE_R_DNA No, YOU'RE awesome DNA! As it happens, I saw the Moving Pictures tour - they were magnificent. Witch Hunt is a favorite for so many reasons.... Cheers to fine music and fine thinking.
_"This is why it matters what you believe. Belief informs action. Actions have consequences."_
Honestly. Callers like this disappoint me. Eric is usually too chill. Doesn’t push too much. Seems to let the caller just go on and on and steamroll. I don’t mean to be rude but some people really aren’t worth listening that much.
It keeps escalating until Vi is the one that actually loses their temper and says what we all think.
Vi really is awesome. And I love that they don't put up with a lot of crap.
disagree. letting them talk just shows their horrible position. eric should have brought up the beating of the slaves and see what came of that. vi is too impatient and too sensitive.
@@louiscyfer6944 Vi is too impatient? They waited over ten minutes into the call, sitting silently and listening. And Vi is anything but impatient here, in fact, they were too patient letting him hang himself.
@@louiscyfer6944 Letting them talk & talk isn't a fun ride for the audience.
While 'fuck you' isn't the wrong answer per se, it doesn't really take the conversation anywhere...it's better to let them prove how reprehensible they are and then destroy it with logic/morality. The show would be pretty boring if they just hung up every time a sensitive topic like slavery came up.
Such narcissistic arrogance from the caller
Caller “I’m the only true Christian”
Thank you for being such amazing humans who stand for what's right! I love both of you ♥️
Eric stop being a push over, and cut these callers off when they start spewing their lies. Props to V.
Mr Le 7DayCycle.
He has more names than Fletch.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Also, I’d said before. No one saw Jesus emerge from the tomb, because they were celebrating the resurrection by running around to find decorated eggs.
The slavery thing is a real hang-up for most theists. There is just no way to explain it.
Listening to them flop all over the place with ad hoc explanations, context etc . It’s painfully embarrassing to hear and frankly sad.
Wrong. God set rules for "servants," but he freed the slaves & DESTROYED much of Egypt over it. Note the difference.
SERVANTS are not "free & equal," because THEY OWE A DEBT. The men sold themselves for labor & the women sold themselves for wives. A man, such a Jacob, had to work 7 yrs to pay for his wife. IT WAS A DIFFERENT TIME.
Slaves sold themselves and were more like hired workers. Israel didn't own people like the true slavery of the 1800's. There were limits. There were contracts. Nowhere in the Bible does it say you could abuse your servants. God freed the Hebrew slaves from Pharaoh, which proves God was against slavery. Servitude was all about DEBT. TODAY also, the mechanic owns your car until the DEBT of the repair bill is paid. The warden owns the inmates until their DEBT is pd to society. Try to learn this lesson I'm teaching you.
In the yr 1850, you could kill your slave without consequence, but in the yr 3500 BC, if you killed your servant, you’d receive the death penalty. These facts prove that in the Bible, they were not slaves, but SERVANTS that you did not OWN.
“And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished…. thou shalt give life for life.” - Exodus 21:20, 23
So there you have it. You could kill a slave, because they are your property, but you couldn’t kill a servant in the Bible without consequence. Slavery debunked.
@@dorsdonstowe9403 except those are the rules for indentured servitude. Keep reading. "You may buy your slaves from the heathen that surround you" and those slaves were not freed after 7 years, it was not voluntary, they were property, and they could be passed down through generations. And just because you cant outright kill a slave (I'm only granting this point because I dont remember if anyone cared if the heathen slaves were killed) although you can beat them to an inch of their life, your comments also dont explain the bit about women who had yet to know a man being taken as a wife for spoils of war, so... sexual servitude. Unless you want to argue the young virgins willingly married the men that slaughtered their families. Theres also instructions in the bible on how men could sell their daughters.
Indentured servitude was only for HEBREW slaves.
The story of moses *which is 100% not a true story btw* I would like to point out the people being freed were HEBREW slaves. Heathen slaves had a different set of rules.
@@dorsdonstowe9403 tell me you've never read the Bible without telling me you never read the bible....
@@dorsdonstowe9403 You do know Exodus never happened, right? The Jewish people, at the supposed time, weren't ANYWHERE near Egypt.
I was waiting for this to go off the rails and, boy oh boy, did it. This guy is a fucking monster
Edit: HE FUCKING DID IT AGAIN. HE MISGENDERED VI AGAIN. WHAT A FUCK.
And then asked “oh what did I say? What did I say?” He knew damn well what he said.
So advocating for slavery is bad, but misgendering someone, now THAT crosses the line!
/sarcasm
You go Vi,
There are plenty of times that I appreciate Eric's ability to have cordial conversations with even the worst of position holders. But then there are times when I just want the person called out for their intellectual dishonesty, and you pointing out Jerry's numerous willful ignorances of the points he was attempting to white wash over was much appreciated.
Love you both, keep up the phenomenal content
He's the ultimate example of what it means to be a "cafeteria Christian."
What’s a cafeteria Christian?
@@bobsweeper3391 Someone who picks and chooses from the various doctrines of Christian faith, as if they were in a cafeteria. They don't like everything, so they only go with the parts they like.
Surely all believers are cafeteria Christians?!!
Cherry picking isn't overused. As soon as someone says I wear mixed fabric but I'm a chef called Jerry who doesn't eat shellfish it's the definition of that term
Yup. He said "yeah, I won't eat shell fish, but the fabric thing isn't spiritual for me, so that's fine".
the ARROGANCE of this guy.
Le Chef got DESTROYED! He also sounds like someone who's been living off of the church-grift for a while now, and has some proficiency in twisting bible words to fit whatever he wants.
Yeah he's an expert in doublethink. He twists those words like balloon animals until he's formed the shape he likes.
You both have my utmost respect. I don't know how you can sit there and put up with some of these people that call.
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Does he realize he said the word "OWN". That's slavery. Period.
Can we finally say this guy is not worth the grace that the hosts have given him? Every show he does the same thing pretends that he's won the argument. He's a moral void for the sake of saying that he's "owned" the hosts of every show he gets on in the name of his version of Xtianity.
Who was it? He was talking about creationists but it might as well be apologists. He said "Debating creationists on the topic of evolution is rather like trying to play chess with a pigeon - it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory."
Just be satisfied that I'm about to own you. What atheist topic would you like me to debunk?
@@PaulTheSkeptic Sour grapes, son. You shouldn't get upset just because the Christian always has all the facts.
@@dorsdonstowe9403 Well, they seem to think so anyway. Go ahead my friend. I'm game. You chose. Who knows? Maybe you'll convert me. I can promise you that I will listen to any facts you'd like to share and carefully consider them and I'll attempt to do this in the most honest and the least biased manner possible. Will you also?
@@PaulTheSkeptic Yes. Nobody, in my experience, comes to these threads to be "converted." Most atheists are here to mock Christians via the erroneous premise that God can be placed in a test tube for review, being that God should be part of his creation (FINITE NATURE: time/space/matter/energy). He's not.
Would you agree that you have no rational/possible, step-by-step atheist explanation for reality? Because that's the only way to justify a GODLESS reality. Your atheism needs to make sense.
Try and tell someone else that identifies as a Christian that they're not Christian and see where that takes you..
This caller is desperate to be persecuted btw.
So he's cherry picking based on his own preferences even though he clearly stated he wouldn't do that when he issued the challenge.
That makes him by his own logic not a real Christian, now what?
The willingness to be a slave? This is such a cop out apology for slavery.
I bet any of the people that uses this as an excuse would never submit to such a life themselves.
He sounds like a Muslim defending Muhammed marrying a child.
This is exactly the same as the muhammed apologists on the subject of him marrying a child. Pleading to "translations" of word...pathetic. It's clearly written "who have not known a man". This guy's a disgusting piece work.
This is where you need Matt Dilahunty to step in….
ABSOLUTELY!!!!
Why did you guys let this troll on not long after Shannon decimated him on The Line?
Why do you assume they watch every single other call-in show on youtube every single week?
entertainment value
The one with shanon was over a week ago.
This guy was given way too much airtime. I know you want to have conversations, but I don't watch this show very much because I find your conversations make for week rebuttals to thiest nonsense which need to be shutdown quickly with rational thought. Just my opinion thanks.
Sounds like his theology is specifically built in order to deflect criticisms that have been made about Christian theology in the past. It's not built based on some kind of deeper understanding of anything, it's built specifically to use in an argument. It's very dishonest.
I don't have it memorized, but shortly after Ex 21, there's a verse that SPECIFICALLY distinguishes between slave and Hebrew servant. It has helped me shut the brains and mouths up of many of these people.
LEV 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly."
And it is not the only verse like this, but it is the clearest I can find right now.
Imagine wanting to be ruled that badly. Dude’s got a sub fetish.
Lol, if thats all he needs out of life just put him on a leash and give him to the nearest narcissist
religion = slavery. Of course they are gonna defend it. My blood boils when I hear religious thinking they have something to say about morality and good or wrong. This is past the stage of exhanging ideas or point of view, this is just Bullshit, nonesense and irrationality, these people deserve no respect for thinking that way
This is a perfect example of why Matt Dillahunty doesn't allow callers to ramble on and on without pushing back on each point as they make it: you end up with far too many points that need to be challenged. It's entirely your choice, of course, it's your show, but I for one would prefer that you start pushing back much sooner. And please get them to slow tf down! 🤣
Exactly this.
Yup.
Destroy each stupid point one at a time 😅
This guy actually called the Atheist experience when Matt was on. He tried the gish gallop and the call lasted all of 5 minutes.
@@WolfA4 For those that want to see it, that's the Atheist Experience episode 25.18, with cohost Dave Warnock.
Has he sold everything he owns and given it to the poor?
As a Canadian i am always embarrassed when I listen to this caller. Please do not be under the impression that he represents Canadians
Most Canadians I've met, even the ones that are christians don't sound as dumb as this guy.
He's like the village idiot .
Is owning a person ever moral? Nope.
There ya go. Simple and to the point. There is no context in which owning another human is morally justified.
This guy has clearly been up all night snorting lines and rocking back and forth over a Babble, for years.
Yes, he's out of his mind. Clearly all believers are not mentally ill, but this guy is, and he made himself that way. With a lot of help, I imagine.
@@joeanthony7759 I'm having a difficult time separating the clinically insane dangerous ones and the indoctrinated and abused good people. I guess, "Accuse them all and let god sort them out?" Just a joke, I'm not a full blown jerk yet. They certainly are asking me to be, sigh....
Add chronic masturbation and you've just described what I've been doing.
I love how these christians deliberately confuse the rules for "owning" Hebrew slaves with owning non-hebrew slaves. You had to let the Hebrews go after 6 years (unless you gave him a wife, and he wanted to stay with that wife) (Exodus 21:2-6)
Non-Hebrews were slaves for life that you could will to your children. (Leviticus 25: 44-46) No cuddly "indentured servitude" for them.
plus exodus 21: 20-21 lets you beat those same slaves with a rod..as long as those slaves don't die directly due to the beating
Only Hebrew men. Women had no rights or considerations.
Also Deuteronomy 21:10-14 says woman prisoners of war can be forcibly "married" at sword point and used as defacto sex slaves.
It's not that we confuse the two. The problem is that the critics will start out by claiming "every" biblical reference to slavery is wrong. And then when a Christian addresses "indentured servitude", the critic will then jump to Non-Hebrew slaves. So it's often not really clear whether or not the critic changed his mind on "owning" Hebrew slaves (servants) or not. Do you only take issue with Non-Hebrew servitude? Or is "indentured servitude" a no-no as well?
Had forgotten about this thread. It's simple really. Exodus 21:20-21 says owning slaves as property and beating them from within an inch of their life is fine as long as they live according to God's law. While Exodus 21 does have some protections for Hebrew male slaves, Leviticus 25:39-46 then turns around and says Israelites are no longer to sell themselves into slavery to work as slaves, so go buy your slaves from the nations around you, which have no such protections and can are yours for life. In fact, Leviticus draws a more explicit distinction, as it says you mustn't mistreat your _Israelite_ slaves, directly implying that you can mistreat slaves from _other_ nations. Not to mention, Hebrew children could be sold as slaves according to Exodus 21:7. Also, children can be born into slavery according to Exodus 21:4.
Saying God banned kidnappings of fellow Israelites is irrelevant when there are other God sanctioned means to acquire slaves. Saying some were "indentured servants" doesn't negate that there were also God sanctioned chattel slaves who had no choice in the matter. Saying there are some protections for some slaves doesn't negate the lack of protection for some others, nor does it negate the horrors that are explicitly sanctioned by God.
And so you can see the verses yourself:
Exodus 21:4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her master, and only the man shall go free.
Exodus 21:7 If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do.
Exodus 21:20-21 Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.
Leviticus 25:39-46 If any of your fellow Israelites become poor and sell themselves to you, do not make them work as slaves. They are to be treated as hired workers or temporary residents among you; they are to work for you until the Year of Jubilee. Then they and their children are to be released, and they will go back to their own clans and to the property of their ancestors. Because the Israelites are my servants, whom I brought out of Egypt, they must not be sold as slaves. Do not rule over them ruthlessly, but fear your God. Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
This caller - a.k.a. Terry -- is such a tedious, arrogant guy who shows up all over. Makes me wonder if he gets paid from somebody to call various shows for entertainment. Vi was correct- cherry picker deluxe. Sadly, I have met such people so he is indeed probably a real shallow person with few friends and no hobbies except this line.
Dont trust anyone who speaks 2000 words a second condescendingly while laughing. But hes a christian???
Christians are bad enough but he's not a Christian by any stretch of the imagine.
I really wish the hosts weren't so damn nice to bigots. "I love murder and want to argue why it's good."
Host: 'Wow, I'm so happy you called. *laughter* We really think it's amazing that you called and I would love to shake your hand. Let's grab lunch sometime. *more laughter* I mean, you seriously are awesome. Murder? What a concept. You're just so damn awesome."
Agreed, this 'new age' be friendly to the abusive nutter, will not last forever. It wasn't around in Hitchens days, and due to inevitable over population we're just going to 'remove' the twits from society one day.
Why do these callers not understand that throwing a million ridiculous points in ten seconds doesnt make one good point?
As a Hebrew speaker I can say “Taf” means children. Other places in the Bible which use the term are at Sinai for instances where it says to call together the “anashim” (men), “nashim” (women) and “taf” (little children).
Girls in Judaism are called young women/lasses (ne’arot) when they turn 12 and bog’rot (mature women) at 12 and half if she had her period or showed certain other signs of development by then. According to some at least, if a girl doesn’t display signs of physically maturing at this point she’s still in the “young woman” category. But if she did not show signs of sexual development by the age of 20, she’d then be classified as a “mature woman” regardless, and at that point it was just assumed that she was an ayalonit (infertile).
The passage reads like this, in original Hebrew and pretty direct translation, just in case people like that guy try to misread it again:
(Numbers 31: 17-18)
וְעַתָּה, הִרְגוּ כָל-זָכָר בַּטָּף; וְכָל-אִשָּׁה, יֹדַעַת אִישׁ לְמִשְׁכַּב זָכָר--הֲרֹגוּ
וְכֹל הַטַּף בַּנָּשִׁים, אֲשֶׁר לֹא-יָדְעוּ מִשְׁכַּב זָכָר--הַחֲיוּ, לָכֶם
And now, kill every male among the children, and every woman who has known a man- kill.
And all the children among the women, those who have not known a man through male bedding- keep them alive for yourselves.
Its hard to come by someone as delusional as this guy, thinking he has destroyed the slavery argument, poor fellow. He forgets that the kids of the slaves were also owned by the slave owners, so they had no say in the matter or willingly giving themselves into slavery. Minor detail there that, funny enough, destroys his argument !
I like the general vibe of the show, in not bullying callers. But the downside is that callers like this take advantage of Eric's politeness. Use the mute button.
He seemed to have mellowed a lot since I used to see him on The atheist experience
@@Dougwun It is fine that he has mellowe, he just shouldn't let callers dominate the conversation. This is a call in show, keep the calls and conversations going.
I do not know where Le Chef is getting his information but the Hebrew word *taph* means children! And this word is used consistently throughout the OT to refer to little children. Furthermore, Paul says if you live by the law, you must observe all of them because if you break one you break all.
They didn’t have the figure “0” in those times
So it’s Friday 1, Saturday 2 and Sunday 3.
They really need to stop giving “Calendar Man” air time.
He was also on #SundayShow #TheLine as Dylan-US.
I LOVE Eric's "rolling up of the sleeves".....
15:41 funny how he added stuff for the slavery bit..
"we don't believe the law permitted the buying of slaves, instead the buying of servants who willingly gave themselves as servants--"
when i read leviticus 25: 44-46, i don't see the word "willing" in there nor "servants", all i read are slaves..who are considered property
well, since didn't follow the word of the bible, guess he's not a "true christian"
The Exodus verses he cited (12:18,19,48,49) have nothing to do with what he's talking about. So dishonest.
No scripture says Jesus walked through a wall.
John Chapter 20, verse 19 says that the doors were closed and yet Jesus appeared among his disciples. This is after he died. Some Christians assume that he must have walked through the wall in order to get in. But he could have just as easily been teleported from the mother ship :) I knew my seminary studies would come in handy one day.
@@johnchristian1545
He used an invisibility cloak obviously. 🙃
@@WhoThisMonkey Maybe Jesus is just really quiet?
@@johnchristian1545 he just opened and closed the doors. sat around for a while before calling attention to himself.
@@louiscyfer6944 Or maybe the whole story is fiction.
When the jacket comes off, you know its gonna be good😃❤
WOW! It seems that someone behind the microphone is still dealing with unresolved childhood issues....
As a person whose identity is proscribed in the Mosaic laws, I don't really care what someone says about the original meaning of the Hebrew was, I only care about how people interpret the books and use that interpretation to hurt/kill other people.
I despise people who defend or excuse slavery.
"The Mosaic Laws are temporary rules put in place for just some people, by our eternal unchanging god who treats all his children the same"
What an awful caller.
"But the Hebrew word for this word is.."
Look caller, is this book translated into English 100% correctly or not?? If it is, then we don't need to look at the original Hebrew to "get it"
If it isn't, its unreliable & y'all need to fix your book.
Whether the claim is that he resurrected on the Sunday or not is irrelevant, it's the day it's celebrated, therefore still zombie Jesus day.
And Flash can vibrate through walls and he became a zombie retaining all his powers. If he can do it why can't a god?
Being a servant was only a choice? If a child was born to slaves they belonged to the master, that is not a choice.
Imagine if this dude applied his intellect to something useful.
He has no intellect, and he knows it. Hence, the need for attention however he can get it.
Yeah he might actually get the toy out of the cereal box.
benny, that was funny.
@@SoCalDan530 if you genuinely don't see how capable this man is, I'd ask you to listen again. I agree his arguments don't amount to anything substantive, but think about how close he got to a coherent argument considering the ridiculous positions he is locked into. He could instantly recall chapter and verse for passages that responded to points the hosts brought up on the fly.
That's an intelligent man hopelessly wasting his brain trying to justify Christianity.
He needs to be able to spell intillilect first!
The mute button shouldn't be used often, however in cases like this caller where they go on and on with lie after lie, it's more than justified to mute them.
Eric definitely gave the caller too much room to spew absolute bullshit IMO, and I was glad when Vi finally came in to shut that dishonest garbage down.
Well, you can't please everyone I guess. He needs to find some balance and he wants them to feel like they had their chance so he's got to make that call himself. It's never going to be the perfect amount of talking for everyone.
It's the seven day cycle guy!
Yes. Check out his channel:
Your way or YAHWEH Tested by Fire
95% pre-amble, 5% actual discussion
Callers response is he can pick and choose what he follows but he doesn’t cherry pick and he has cherry picked certain verses to justify his cherry picking
Literally everything he claimed was addressed and explained to him in a way that exposed his extreme ignorance. He is the definition of someone who is extremely gullible and stupid but emotionally invested in a conclusion.
He is yet another example of someone with extreme Dunning-Kruger
Christianity makes so much more sense when you understand that it started as a story about an angel named Jesus who was sent down from heaven by a different, higher up God to subvert Yahweh (Yaldebeoth) and save humanity.
This guy is a gold medalist in mental gymnastics.
Some of these theists are completely delusional. Oh and... happy belated zombie Jesus day! lol. Jesus is alive? Fine! That means He DIDN'T *die* for our sins. lol
I wish someone could for once just answer a question and when making claims for once provide evidence. I know I shouldn't call religious people stupid for believing in made up things; but sometimes it is just so hard not to but thanks to friends I've been able to keep such thoughts from leaving my mouth.
I read a great article once, which basically (in summary) stated that it's a common misconception that part of a friend's role is to tell you, "Oh yeah, I love your new hair," "those jeggings make your ass look *PERFECT* (insert name of whatever female celebrity against whom the female friend expounds the most vitriolic wishes ("I kicked *HIS* ass to the curb, and I hope *SHE* catches *HIS* crabs...they're the size of friggin' lobsters! And *VERY* treatment resistant....but I digress)" or, "I'm sure it's all in your head and he *REALLY IS WORKING LATE"*
This is a gross misrepresentation of the sacred duty of a friend: to grab your friend by the throat and shout, "WHATAREYOUFUCKINGRETARDED!?!?!?!!"
EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Without exception, when your friend is being an idiot, it's in their best interest for you to point. out that their being idiots, regardless of how it might make them feel. So I guess what I'm saying is, if you know religious people who are capable of lucid dialogue on the subject of their faith, then by all means, *DO ENGAGE WITH THEM*
If, on the other hand, the religious individual is frothing at the mouth while trying to direct traffic in a hospital gown, then let nature do it's thing. The only grand, universal/karmic justice is that everything dies. "Nature should be allowed to do its job of killing off the weak and sickly and ignorant people, without interference from airbags and batting helmets. Just think of it as *PASSIVE EUGENICS"* -- George Carlin, "Kids" (can't remember the album.... *Complaints and Grievances,* perhaps...?) *RIP* (We miss you *SO MUCH, GEORGE!!!)*
@@TheSnoeedog are you okay?
They can't.
If they could they would not be the believers that they are.
Mr. Le Chef sounds like a Disney character.
In the Roman culture little boys and slaves were expected to accept sexualising abuse... the word "slave" in the modern context is not strong enough to describe the situation.
I'd be theist if God gave me supernatural powers like he supposedly did for other people in all the holy books of all religions.
Because unlike J.Lo ,my love does cost a thing.
I’ve always thought the of you make a big deal about sacrificing your son when you didn’t sacrifice him. If you can resurrect your son what’s the sacrifice? Sacrifice is the brave Ukrainians giving their lives to protect their country.
Does it really matter how young the girls were? Like imagine how upset a soldier would be if the girls he took home turned out were not " clean" enough!
How sickening is it to have to defend slavery because you can't even entertain that your book or your belief system might be wrong yet you wouldn't subject yourself to a similar life.
It truly does speak to how so many must cling to something that gives them comfort in the face of withering logic and common sense.
Yeah...
I said it once, I'll say it again, stop giving these doofs attention. They're trolls. Mute, em, drop em, whatever, but having a convo with them will not merit any sort of understanding or new knowledge.
Especially this Larry, Jerry, whatever talking about "it doesn't mean young girls!" tripe. Dude, I don't give a shit if it's old women, taking female captives after slaughtering all the males in their city/village/town is a monstrous act and no one actually consents to that. Consent under duress isn't consent, my dude.
this caller is obnoxious conniving and doesn't need to be able to take your or our time. Cut him off early!!!
Caller "What's the true scottsmen fallacy?'
Proceeds to give text book example of Fallacy
Challenge accepted 😎. Great showmanship, Eric. I love it .
Where Is Matt Dillahunty when you need it?
Jesus Christ Lich King.
I imagine Jerry believes in Mary being a virgin, rather than being a young woman. I imagine his ability to translate Hebrew stops there.
I like giving an opportunity to expound on an argument, but there's also something to be said for eventually utilizing the mute button when necessary.
His use of the no true Scottman fallacy is just ridiculous.
the better classification the ressurected jesus would be a Lich. not a Zombie😀
My friend J and I were discussing this yesterday. We decided that while lich may be the better word, there weren't enough folks out there who knew what a lich was to get the references.
Zombie? Seems everyone knows what a zombie is
More folks to enjoy the burn. 😁
Unfortunately, I must disagree with you. He shows the power of necromancy before his death and it's said that he contact the Lord of Darkness before the crucifixion. We also have information that he declared himself "prepared".
I think it's secure to say that, at the time of his death, he had probably already performed the ritual to become a Lich.😀
LOLOLOL the look at 21:40.. Vi is about to jump through that caller line and Eric knows it!
In the future, you could ask them why they don't advocate for the jubilee laws.
I was THIS CLOSE
Go Vi!