Vince Carter Ranks His Top 3 NBA Goats of MJ, Kobe, & Lebron | ALL THE SMOKE
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- Vince Carter gives his NBA goat rankings between Michael Jordan, Lebron, and Kobe. He also talks with Matt and Stak about what is left for Lebron to accomplish in his career.
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I love how this isn’t an interview. It’s a conversation. Vince out here asking questions to Stak and Matt
This barbershop talk
Agree 100%. I think that's why this show will be so great for years to come
Vince Carter is the GOAT of dunking.
"He is good but he is not Michael Jeffery Jordan nobody will ever be no matter what" - Skip Bayless
I'm from Toronto so usually I'd be biased to go with a current or former Raptor... but I regard Jason Richardson as the GOAT of dunking but VC does have better posters.
Followed by Dominique and Kemp! With Blake barely trailing. 👍
@@christopherdavies6137 Ibaka best Blake when Blake won it. Watch it again. You'll see.
Easy
They're all on "GOAT" Island & we're not invited!!
💯
So my Call of Duty skills mean nothing to you?
@@TheTwinkiefoot 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Kobe Bean bryant 1st all defensive team 9 times, 2nd all defensive team 3 times. 12 total and 33,000 plus points 5 championships always guarded the best players
= 2nd greatest of all time
imachamp88 numbers jordan. Kobe is actually better than Jordan skill wise and a way better scorer
Made the defensive team on reputation the second half of his career.
@@GEN084 Kobe had one 40 point game in all 7 Nba Finals, on 47%. JORDAN Averaged 41-ppg FG-51% for the entire 1993 Final alone.
Where 81 points when it matters ? ?
KOBE is LA's GOAT it seems, all these Haters! Magic and Kareem have repeatedly said this! #LAKESHOW
Vince played in both eras he knows what he is talking about.
People sleep on MJ being top 3 in steals. The nearest active player is Chris Paul who is almost 300 steals behind. The next is Lebron who played almost 200 MORE games and is 500 behind.
So? Lebron will probably end as the all time leader in points and top 3 assist.
What's ur point? LeBron has less steals and that's why MJ is better?
Ok.
@@papito5ft6 Longevity has a more to do with the points. If MJ just played around his averages and plays straight through 84-99, he'd obviously be the leader in points and it's not close. Steals are also much easier to come by when you're leading the league in scoring 10 straight.
But he could hand check
@@papito5ft6 the players has to make the shot so its a team effort to get assists while getting steal take a little more self efforts.
@@papito5ft6 No thats not why MJ is better. There is so much more to why he is the clear GOAT.
No surprise here. Carter has played with and against all of these guys at the highest level and also understands how rule changes have impacted the game.
Kobe bryant my favorite ball players of all time reason y I fell in love with the game
MJ, Kobe and Bron. That's always the best answer
Facts
Because that's the true order
Respectfully
@@facedafivenine9282 no its not i got kareem over lebron
Carter based it purely on rings. So where’s Russell then?
Pros talking basketball! Nothing better! You can’t put me on a round table to talk about baseball no matter how much I scout, I’ve never played so I don’t know what that in game experience is really about
DeVon Jackson facts
HERCULES Brian Windhorst is fair, so wdym? And so is Scott Van Pelt
Preach Matt 🗣️💯 he saying what 99% of people in media are. People who never balled making jacked up assumptions on why he/or not is a great baller🔥🏀..
I’m so glad he said that! 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾 It’s total
Disrespect to Pippen. I wish guys would go harder at Skip and anyoelse
Who talks like Skip.
Like all of the 12 year olds on CZcams thinking they know who's the best
@@paultaylor3841 we can't use skip as a rule to say you can't talk basketball if you never played.
Loads of legendary coaches never played professionally so that logic is flawed from the outset. Following that logic, Gregg Popovich can’t have an opinion on this topic which would seem ridiculous right?!
@@samsimpson565 popovich worked with these players, for what, 25-30 years? how many nba coaches are there lol?
MJ and Kobe is my Goat list.
Drops microphone
Smokin ACE naw more like drops jaw
Lol
@T fr man, i respect Wilt but im not put 70s player in my top 5 player, Kareem is goat in 80s with magic,
Kobe has the most missed field goal attempts in NBA history lmao
Imagine if kobe played in the east. He would be in the finals every year too
Easy
If Lebron played wit shaq he would have 7 titles🤷🏾♂️
Not true
While ppl forgot he choked 3 series in the playoffs LOL. And put kobe in 2018 cavs, let see if he make the finals with a team that dropped from 2 to 27 just because of 1 man leaving while adding 2 top 10 picks.
Nah bruh. Kobe didn’t do shit 2 years after shaq left knock it off.
90% or more of players that played against Kobe in his prime put him over lbj.
They’re jealous of Lebron.
@@VolcardoReviewer but they not jealous of Kobe.. sure
That’s a fabricated number. Kobe is great but Lebron is just better. Get over it. That argument ended for good in 2016.
@@DocYAYAYA No because Lebron is way better than Kobe.
GOAT. Soft as Charmin 🧻, crying, flopping, narrative spinning, choking, drama queen Lebron isn’t half the man that Kobe was. Kobe had more testosterone in his turds 💩 than Lebron has in his whole body in 10 lifetimes.
I love it. These dudes talk and obviously know ball for real for real. It's so refreshing to listen to
Almost every player keep tellin yall Bron aint passed kobe, but yall let the media tell u to think Bron is the goat
FACTS 💯💯💯
Dude i don’t need the media to tell me Lebron is better than Kobe I know what I watched
@@Dabighomiee lmao he acts like we couldn't watch them both on TV and make our own opinion. Bron is better than Kobe IMO 🤷
@@brendonsheffield6372 and he played against both
BrimReaper you don’t know basketball then
MJ didn’t play 15 complete years his 2nd season he played 18 games and his comeback season he played 17 games.
Better to look at career games, which he played 1072.
Very true if MJ would have played just 20 straight healthy years he'd probably been all time points leader..Plus Tell people its were you get drafted imagine if Jordan would got drafted by Portland Trailblazers back then they could have won 10 chips 🍟..Real talk
Robert Harrison Sr We can come up with lots of ifs for everything and that’s why I like per game averages more than just totals. Totals have more to do with longevity than what a player was actually doing in his prime. And we know Chicago Bulls Jordan without retiring in 93, he would be 2nd all time and without retiring in 98 and playing 2 more years in his prime probably 1st.
It didn’t happen, but with the per game average we have an idea of what this man was capable of doing and probably would also be 1st in steals also.
They still loss
Kobe didn’t play a full 20 years either like casuals think. Realistically he really only played a good 15 1/2 years.
@@robertharrisonsr955 there is a chance? He would have destroyed those stats
Almost every nba player I've heard has
1) MJ
2) KOBE
3) LEBRON
they hating on bron he is the only one in there that plays differently
@@senibo221092 lmao, they talk about facts lol, they playing again kob and bron, how is that come to hate lol
Literally. Except for ex Lebron teammates.
Steve nash said lebron
I got Bron at 2
Great interview
Kareem 6/10, MJ 6/6, Magic 5/9, Kobe 5/7, Tim Duncan 5/6. When did Lebron pass Kobe and Magic at 3/9?
Shit when did he pass Duncan. One of the most underrated superstars even. Big Fundamentals
@@Tabooza omg i swear people be sleeping on TD. one of the reasons okc and lbj had issues getting rings
When did mj pass Russell then, what about Robert Horry
Daniel Moreno I don’t have lebron over tim d but Tim d career has been overrated. His last year as a top 10 was 2007 and his last ring he was the 3rd best player but he is seen the driving force. There’s more but won’t get into it
The finals record argument is stupid.is it better to lose in the first round? Pure nonsense. Ask any basketball player they will always vote to go further even if it results in a loss.
Imagine if Kobe never tore his Achilles and ended with Anthony Davis for his last 3-4 years of his career you best believe he would have won 1-2 championships. Lebron has played with more all-stars Wade,Bosh, Irving, Love, and Davis. 4 of them were considered Top 5 players in some point of their careers can’t say the same with Kobe (Shaq & Pau) and Jordan (Pippen & Rodman)
Also if Jordan hadn't retire prematurely twice, how many championships would he have right now.
Bron played with more Top players but he also played against more top players also. Which is why his record in the Finals is what it is.
@@sanantoballa4834 Would you look at those players he played against in the finals the same, had they not won the title, and LeBron won? Of course not. They are great because they won the title. That's the difference in winning and losing
Kids Got it Uhhh yea because those individuals either won MVPs before they won a championship (KD n Curry) or they actually won multiple titles before they ever faced LeBron. (Spurs)
Even if LeBron won every Finals, those players he faced are certified Hall of Famers. Just look at the record books🤷♂️
just think if MJ would have never broken his foot....also what people keep forgetting MJ went to college for three years Kobe and Lebron never went to college they should have more points than him. but i don't care what Lebron does he will never be the goat because MJ nor Kobe ever left there perspective team to go play with somebody else just to get a ring. MJ#23#GOAT THEN KOBE
Jordan: The Greatest
Kobe: The Most Skilled
Lebron: The Most Talented
Most talented? Jordan is the most talented.
Daryl Mooney naw lebron is easily
Daryl Mooney nah bro lebron was a freak of nature since he was like 15
If your the most skilled your the most talented
@@coreycharles3826 no...skill is earned, talent is something you are born with
Great video👍🏾👍🏾
finally real sports talk with people that actually played
They're honestly being polite. We all know they're team Kobe and MJ. Lol
Ofc mj and kobe...we saw leflop in west when he came to LA lmao playoff mode activated loooollll
Come on man, these men went up against those 3 men. And Vince had a vendetta and rivalry vs kobe in the early years. How are they team kobe or mj if they played against them? Stop being a delusional brainwashed espn puppy stop eating that fake non sense of "sports talks".
@@V-tec28
Of course lebron would go to the finals 8xs he had super teams in their primes everywhere he went. One thing I don't get about what I see today is how they justify a mans 6 finals loses into a positive? As players who dominated eras lebron is the weakest as he only dominated the era statistically, some of his mvps he didn't deserve, and one of his rings he won them in a short lockout year, and another one he needed silvers help to suspend a player in the freaking finals. It boggles my mind how fake and how awful they brain wash people today on why lebron belongs in the top 3 conversation when he isn't a top 5 player. Most of the players who dominated or co dominated an era had stats and winning records in the finals. With lebron it's only been stats with a finals losing record and super team building.
@@ohhhyeahhh1174 bro i hate the guy.to me his game sucks,boring to watch.
@@V-tec28 he was injured last season you dumb and this season he is top in the west and in mvp race you blind
Lol Jack on Roberson’s head! 😂😂😂
Don’t know why because Roberson was better than Matt Barnes trash ass.
Good shit.
This is a conversation and I like it.
There's nothing and I repeat "NOTHING" that LeBron can do to put him self above MJ as the greatest of all time. This man gave up in the 2011 finals and he let Terry embarrass him, MJ never let anybody embarrass him in the finals
Truth!!! Thank you!!!
@Idiot Whisperer Do you know what the "Finals" are? And the Bad Boys didn't embarrass him. They battled and had wars. He didn't choke and get outplayed by a bench player.
so you know better than vince carter, i bet they all say lebron is goat if he wins one more title with la lakers
@@gowthamvarmadantuluri6385 They better get another all star cuz you know Bron never won a chip without joining two extra all stars.
No, c'mon man, that's just plain dumb, if Bron wins it this year, his 3rd franchise, and then wins another one, c'mon man get real, you're just stuck in history. Bron's a completely different beast than those other two, people always forget, Bron's more Magic than Michael. Plus neither Kobe or Jordan had to face those Dynasties in their prime, the damn game is all about timing and injuries... and nobody but nobody ever had a freakin monster like Pippen next to them
Bron only made it so many times because he was loaded with superstars. Only once on weak East by himself. Props for that still. And is not a knock on him, but is not like he carried the 07' Cleveland team straight to the finals 8 times. Just making sure cuz im sure people gonna say 8 times to the finals > 6-0. or even 5-7...
In 2017 he brought a starting line up of George hill, rodney hood, jeff green and kevin love to the finals. To me that sounds like a garbage ass squad if you me.
Thank you for 2+ hours of greatness.
Most honest goat conversation
If you consider the inflation of statistics in this era due to rule changes you'd see a major difference. The final scores in the 90s was around 80 to 90 points per team. These days they are over 110. Its not the same. You wouldn't see Westbrook avg a triple double in the 90s or Harden scoring 30 to 40 ppg then.
Exactly cuz they can get touched in the 90s harden wouldn’t Westbrook would’ve gotten hurt back then cuz he would’ve ran at the basket and got knocked out the air .
If anyone can give a answer to the GOAT question it should be the man who played all three : VC15
i love to see this three guys talking
These guys really understand basketball.. it has evolved soo much!
Vince is exactly on point. MJ 8 /24. LJ last
How does the person with more individual accolades come last though?
Nah I’d definitely say Bron is second
@@sickandloose bron definitely second no doubt about it
Jordan played 15 but only played 13 full seasons he missed majority of his second season. And in 95
Allan Houston he had a broken finger
Kobe really only played about 15 too. Y’all love to forget he barely got playing time his first 2-3 years and the last 2-3 years of his career he was hurt
@@allanhouston6759 and Jordan choked before pippen got there
@@eastwood1026 When did MJ choked ? ?
Unlike Kobe Bryant, he didn"t play like a scrub and he didn"t have Shaquille O"Neal.
1997 WCSF:
*Shaquille O"Neal=22- 12- 3, FG-49%.*
1998 WCF:
*Shaquille O"Neal=32- 9- 1, FG-56%.*
MJ would never have lost if his teammate had a 32- 9- 1 average.
Truth 💯
Preach fellas
FACTS! 💃🤗🤗🤗💃
THEY CANT PASS JORDAN AN KOBE THEY NEVER LEFT THERE TEAM EASY AS THAT
Facts Yo, if Kobe really Hungry for rings, he can go to spurs and won every year, or he didnt trade Shaq and won 6-7 rings, ez
MJ actually quit on the Bulls in retirement one (I won't count the 2nd and choose to blame management).
Kobe demanded to be traded in 2007 but the Lakers managed to keep him by getting Pau.
Next...
papito5ft6 I mean I would too if my legacy was gonna be ruined by a bum ass squad fuck you mean next Jordan had Scottie and Denis and hella roll players and lebron had d wade chris bosh and now he has ad, boogie, Caruso, and more and who did Kobe have, Lamar fucking Odom 🤦🏻♂️
#TRUTH #FACTS
Vice with the bucs gear 💯
6:35 100 % agree, especially for those ones who can't even dribble a basketball, have Kobe out of top 10 my mind just blew up! People don't take opinions from players that went head to head against 3 of them? And they take those ESPN duudes words like what is wrong with u people. And also I hate the fact some fake ass people going "RIP Kobe" "Who here miss Kobe" and next second they go kobe not top 10 not even close to mj and lebron ???
100% agreeing is a bit much. It depends on the context of what is being talked about. It’s ignorant to dismiss an entire demographic because of that. I’m partial to whatever the context is.
Lmao, MJ, Kobe and bron, there is an order now, u can hate this comment or nah, im just have the same opinion as vc, Jak and Matt lol, not from espn shit top10 lmao
"That man score 50 at 40"
Hahahahahaha
I love the uncensorship
What beat is that in the inro that ish is hard asf!!??
VC spitting some truth. Lebron calling himself the GOAT when he ain't even past Kobe, yet.
RM Bill Russell the Goat 🐐
Lebron passed him in everything except chips and defensive teams
If you a premier player, you always think of yourself as the best! If you don't, You a damn fool or a role player
@@shasankamadduri1998 shit we all saw if kobe wanted to get assist he would have. And Shanado Bill played against a bunch of midgets
If lebron haven't passed kobe then Jordan definitely not the goat
That’s my top 3 too honestly
Jak with a Stephen a smith impression at 8:36
Off topic but I had to go rewatch them Roberson airball free-throws
MJ would average 45 in today’s league with no more then 3 triples a game lol GOAT
It might even be 50+.
Rings are made from a team effort so if you want to put one player on display use his personal stats
Nope. It’s way easier to fill up a stat sheet on a weaker team. That’s why you need to use both.
Player Efficiency Rating:
JORDAN - PER-27.9 ( Record Nba )
Lebron - PER-27.5 2th Place.
Kobe - PER-23 19th Place.
@@allanhouston6759 I was thinking AD was 2nd and LeBron was 3rd but I guess LBJ took back 2nd place. MJ is #1 in the playoffs too.
If you're the leader and best player, rings do play their part but people shouldn't only use them. There are other factors in play as well like skills, attributes, strengths, not having many or any weaknesses, league domination, accolades, accomplishments (other than rings), offensive and defensive repertoire, etc.
@@allanhouston6759 PER lol what the hell is that? Is basketball played on paper or the court i must of missed something ? U do know dunking and lay ups play a major part in those PER shit so in you’re logic Kobe’s the 19th best of all time right? Because some piece of paper someone who’s never played basketball made up 🥴 make it make sense pls
Exactly right, don't listen to those guys who talk n talk n talk but never played in the NBA stfu
You gotta play ball to have a opinion, I agree
At the beginning of 3:06 he didn't even mention lebron 🤷🏾♂️
Kareem went to the finals 10 times and won 6 of them.. So it's the winning percentage that makes impressive
Kobe is 5/7 in finals.
Kareem is great, magic is great, bird is great, Wilt is great, Oscar is great
Kareem teammates:
Magic Johnson HoF,
Oscar Robertson HoF,
James Worthy HoF,
Jamaal Wilkes HoF,
Bob McAdoo HoF,
Adrian Dantley HoF,
Goodrich HoF,
Norma Nixon - 2x All-star,
Lou Hudson - 6x All-star,
Bob Dandridge - 3x All-star,
Michael Cooper - 1x DPOY.
Someone running a mile in under 2 minutes and someone running the same mile in 10 minutes is two completely different things although they both accomplished the same thing. Food for thought
can someone tell me what kind of earbuds is Matt wearing?
I hope y’all never go to that clown circus show ESPN! This show phenomenal!
Just think if Jordan, Magic Kareem, Shaq and Kobe were able to put together Super teams in a weak Conference. They all would have 8 rings or more. Lebron will always be a Ring Chaser to me.
Hope u guys educate sharpe, kellerman and jay will too.. they're like skip too.
I would say it’s crazy lebrons in his 17th year playing at such a high level still unbelievable! but let’s say in his 12th year the game has gotten easier more space and less active defense for a guy that can move that well. It played out perfectly for him as his step has gotten a tad slower it’s wont be noticeable. 8 straight finals gotta give him his props
If LeBron wins two more rings with multiple all stars on his team he still won’t pass MJ and Kobe in my eyes. At some point we gotta take in consideration of how much help he had. People wanna knock MJ for having Pippen and Kobe for having Shaq but LeBron can have multiple all stars caliber teammates and get a pass every time.
Facts....as great as lebron is...he played on team with wade and bosh....then kyrie and Kevin love and now anthony davis....he has played with way more help than kobe and mj combined.. kobe had shaq and gasol...mj just had scottie...really hard to jump lebron over them when he played with several top 5 players at their positions
nicholas hackie Exactly!!!
Facts!
@@nicholashackie1407 you forgot he had Ray Allen too with wade,bosh the last 2 years in Miami
facts. but bronsexuals will say he faced "tougher" competition. Yeah, ok, even the NBA helped him eliminate his competition when they suspended Green in 17'. GFOH. Oh and he cried over that to just get that. That's a weak minded player right there. Is disrespectful to even compare him to Kobe. Great athlete, weak minded.
IMO MJ and Kobe has tougher roads to the Finals while Bron has the toughest Finals competition. Neither MJ or Kobe faced a team like the 2017-2018 Warriors and neither of them were by themselves in the Finals like Bron was in 2007,2015,&2018. MJ never choked on the biggest stage like Bron and Kobe did so imo he’s the GOAT as of rn, even though Bron is my favorite player. I honestly do feel like Bron can catch him though if he wins at least two in LA like Stat said. I respect all three though, all 3 are goats
The East was trash during his runs in the East
@@Marctastic1 Jordan went to the playoffs with a 30 win team twice. East was trash back then
Dude make superteam is east ofc they make the final, cmon now bro 😔🤦,
And i think this season, u cant sleep on clipper, rockets on west yo
fear less rockets 🤣🤣
@@fearless5116 2007 cavs, 2018 cavs. Yeah big time superteams bro, larry hughes and varejao in 07, and that 2018 cavs team with Jr smith, rodney hood, an injured Kevin love putting up a mean 15 ppg, and did I mention that the team was so good that they traded half of the roster midway through the season? Lebron's 35 ppg 9 rebounds and 9 assist legendary playoff run which included 2 buzzer beating game winners and countless clutch performances had nothing to do with his 8th straight finals appearance. Yup, it's cause he had a superteam, just like any other year in the east, those Bulls, Pacers, Hawks, Raptors and Celtic teams that Lebron owned were just so bad anybody could have went to 8 straight finals right?
I'm agree to vince carter top 3 nba rank mj, kobe, lebron for now. Because they are really talented and sensation skills .
“WHO DOES THAT” 😂😂😂😂
Instead of limiting it to Jordan, Lebron and Kobe, they should have asked the guest to give their top 3 off the top of their head. Most people have Kareem in there.
I think theres a bias towards sg/sf. Their more exciting to watch. Kareem has a case. Duncan has to be up there. Shaq was the dominant force on those Laker teams but seems to get overlooked.
Because a lot of these shows know LeBron isn’t in a lot of people top player list. Like you said if you just ask people straight up majority of them will have MJ, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Russell, Kobe before LeBron.
@@larrysibley2327 I think it's because these guys never really watched anyone from the 80s onwards so they go with players they did see. They grew up without CZcams. Nowadays though, we have games archived on CZcams so more people can watch guys like Kareem and Wilt.
@@FibaFanatic its not that yo. If you got guards who consistently grab multiple rebounds without the height of a Kareem and get in the lane consantly goin above guys with Kareem height. Thats why guys like MJ and LBJ are considered greater. If i got a sf that average 8rpg and my pf or center only avearge 9 or 10. Sorry they are better than you.
@@blackgohan1668 Kareem averaged 11 rebounds a game and would be the all time leader in rebounds and blocks if they tracked those stats in his first years. Played both ends of the floor and no one matches his achievements on paper. Guys who played in that era like Isiah Thomas, Dr J and George Gervin all have Kareem as the GOAT.
3:50 Vince saying if u go that many times you’ll lose, but bill russel has 11 rings😒
As a player and a coach if you didn't know !
But he lost in the finals to wilt i think he is 11-1
@@supajuda1078 yeah thats one of the craziest thing ever
There's something you can't compete with MJ, he changed the game of Basketball forever, in terms of contarct$, shoe deals, be an icon, brings the NBA to the world; that's Greatness, and NO ONE can have it now, and nobody will.
I love this . Stephen made a great point w/ scoring a lot of ppl scored I don’t think stats matter that much . Cuz if so Russell Westbrook will be up there soon in that debate
The finals argument is kind of skewed. MJ and Kobe had so much competition just getting to the finals so it was kind of a mute point who they faced in the finals. LeBron cakewalked through the East (through his greatness at times and also how stacked his team was) before he met the REAL competition in the finals. So yes getting to the finals is an accomplishment but when you look at path of difficulty it's not AS impressive. Having said all of that, appreciate all of them.
Not true
Shemzinho facts LeBron got 3 in Kobe got 5 in they said he needs one more to pass Kobe wtf.I mess with Jackson and Barnes but the media been passing the LeBron agenda so hard.
@@lionelottison1471 Kobe got 2 finals mvps so he wasnt even the best player on his team for 3 of his rings. Lebron passed Kobe in everything but chips and defensive teams. Just cause Kobe died doesn't mean he jumps 4 spots
Lionel Ottison lebron has always been the best player on his team, Kobe wasn’t better than Shaq when they won rings together. People forget that
MJ and Kobe had tougher roads to the Finals while Bron had the toughest Finals competition. Neither Kobe or MJ faced a team like 2017-2018 Warriors and they were never by themselves in the Finals like Bron was in 2007,2015,&2018. These are facts
Bruh Roberson hasn't played in like 2 years and they still won't let that man live lmao
My boy VC. My MJ !!
👏🏾👏🏾💯💯
Magic went to the finals 9 times winning 5 championships losing to the Celtics, 76ers, Pistons, and Bulls!
Michael T True but only because of the rings. If Bron wins two more, 5-6 is better than 5-4🤷♂️
Same amount of rings with more appearances in the Finals.
So Mugsy and Spud Webb can play in the 90s but Durant and Lebron wouldnt be able to? This is crazy
@S Wavey he would be great but not averaging 50 like slot of idiot's like to say
Eric Ramirez See I understand where you’re coming from but no LOL for one we don’t live their life. Second for as much as a bitch move Kd made when he went to Golden State he was still giving everybody buckets whole still responding to people on the burner accounts . LOL the fact the matter is that Kd ihe goes out there and gives you 40 on the court with the fuck cares about anything else outside of the court Because history has shown us that he’ll do some bitch shit in the next game he dropped 40 or 50. Those are the facts do you really think KD wouldn’t be able to do the same shit back then ?And as far as LeBron James he grew up watching Michael Jordan play so he’s part of the old school basketball and a new school basketball and on top of that it really didn’t start getting soft until maybe the last six or seven years. And by soft I mean the NBA. It wasn’t like that until recently. Guys like that will be great regardless.
@@newagepage6960 so former nba players are idiots? Because ive only heard former players like shaq, these 3 ect all saying mike will average 45 in todays game
@@chalupakingsama ..well lebron is soft tho ..he flops .I seen him just mentally check out in the 4th .. u would be able to that in 90 .the will eat u alive..they pinch u in the face just to see what your going to do .. lol
@@Maxjuliann they must be, sonyou honestly think Jordan would average 45 a game?
All the podcast should talk about GOATS at their position,it makes more since
what makes this arguement hard to get through to today generation is the simple fact that the nba will always have a new star to market for each generation. because if they spent more time focusing on marketing the past it would effect the revenue of today. and this what helps gives the kids an arguement of today as well as naturally catering to your own era. there are a few players today that could of been great players in the 90s but players like stephen curry as good of a shooter as he is would not be coming down the middle like that. also just seeing how high the score are today even with teams under 500 makes you wonder if the players today are afraid to play defense with tic tak fould being called.
Please send every All The Smoke episodes of current and former players and damn near all of them put Kobe over LBJ but they got him ranked 9th greastest and LBJ number 2.
Dont add up right lol
I love the argument that if you haven't played the game then you don't really know what you're talking about. Just stop lmao
Why is MJ bad at judging talent then? He should be the greatest telling evaluator of all time. When you really look at it, the guys who barely play are the best talent evaluators outside of Jerry West
They made that joke in Game of Zones lol. Players think their opinions perfect and they were picking the worst All-NBA team😂
@@MindfulAttraction2.0 I understand why they would say that but it's not accurate across the board.
I believe it’s an ignorant way of thinking. It depends on what the context of the discussion is about. If it’s something only a player would have experience with such as deciding who’s harder to guard, then their opinion is more validated but their answer is exclusive to them and how they matched up with said players and not a 100% factual answer. So it’s just all about the context of the question asked.
That ain't what they're really saying, it's that most of these media ppl on TV who never played the game. They think their opinions are the end all be all.
Vince goat
GDOAT
Greatest Dunker Of All Time
Scoring records and championships don’t measure greatness in it’s entirety. Dominance. Competitiveness. Character... not matter what someone wins, greatness is a different metric... I like to call it the Xceptional Factor.
Most ballers pick Kobe over LeBron....the media (non-ballers) keep pushing that LeBron b.s.
because he's a better player even when it comes to scoring.
Kobe lost to that same Maverick team Lebron lost to in 2011... but ima be silent 😂
@@TheKaoticivory but LeBron lost to them with 2 other hall of famers all in their primes. So not the same thing.
@@TheKaoticivory Kobe was injured with his knee that season and he was coming off 3 straight trips to the Finals (his 7th Finals that decade) and 2 rings.
LeBron after coming off a 66 and 63 win team in Cleveland, disintegrated in the playoffs, left Cleveland to join Finals MVP Dwade and all-star Chris Bosh, both in their primes btw, in Miami only to freeze up again in the playoffs. Is that what you're comparing?
Steve nash picked lebron.
I am with all of those guys when they ranked those 3's the way they did (MJ, then Kobe, then Lebron) but when they talked about what Lebron has to do to surpass the others...I say that's BS. And it's funny because they say you can't talk about basketball if you didn't play the game...because most of the time, it's probably true.
But when being asked what Lebron should do to surpass Kobe or MJ...their answers is staight up BS. You can't say (just by definition) that a player has to do LESS (litteraly) to surpass somebody else. To surpass somebody, the answer is simple, you have to do more than he did or be straight up better.
Like what does the fact of winning with 3 different team has to do with being the best? Nothing...that's straight up garbage logic. I'm sorry if it sounds disrespectful but it's true. I'm not a Lebron fan even though I know very well his career just because I'm a basketball fan overall but adding stats...meaningless or empty stats to his legacy is not gonna make him better than Kobe.
Now maybe he is already better than Kobe (I don't believe that) but that's not the point. The point is that to surpass somebody, you have to do more than that person, period. There is no way around him and that's not my opinion. That's a fact...it's true in basketball and it's true in any field in life.
Not many dudes in the history of the game was as complete offensively as VC. He could shoot, handle, post, mid range and long range. Athleticism!!
I loved this conversation! So much better listening to players/former players. Perspective on this is great...GOAT convo has to me always been premature with LeBron. My personal rank for top 10 is:
1. Michael Jordan
2. Bill Russell
3. Magic Johnson
4. Kobe Bryant
5. Kareem
6. Tim Duncan
7. Larry Bird
8. Shaq
9. LeBron
10. Hakeem
LeBron is the only one still playing and has room to climb, 9 conference championships doesn't hold as much weight considering the era and especially the eastern conference at that time, which was somewhat revealed in LeBron's teams' 18W-31L record in the Finals. Many of the playoff series in the West during LeBron's run were more competitive than the actual Finals. But it's not said and done yet. Glad these guys are talking, gives more balance.
How do you put Kobe over Duncan when Duncan is more accomplished, efficient, and better W/L record.
@@cornbreadpassion11 good question, to be honest I think Duncan is largely underappreciated, and for me ranking 4-7 was the hardest and tightest. However, as underappreciated as Duncan is I think the supporting cast around him was even more so, when I think of Parker, Manu, Green (Boris Diau was an unsung hero), and it Kawhi at the end...Those Spurs teams that were going up against the Heatles were some of my favorites (giving James the highest point differential in NBA Finals history. Honestly Duncan fits all my criteria for top 5, so 4-7 for me was really preference. Maybe I have Kobe ahead of Tim for the same reason I have Jordan over Russell? On the offensive skills side Kobe was just so versatile, and the degree of difficulty on shots with what he made look effortless was astounding, with many former players calling him the hardest to guard, as well as 9x all-defensive. I just prefer Kobe, I'm also a 4th generation Lakers fan going back to my great grandfather cheering the Minneapolis Lakers. I'd never begrudge someone putting Duncan higher, but I think he was also a part of some of the very best teams ever, of which his supporting cast almost gets no mention. A good question, thank you. Cheers!
Steve Nash won back 2 back mvps while bron and Kobe were playing. Imagine what mike would do😫
6"3 Steve Nash - 2x MVP ( 2005, 2006 )
If Steve Nash won the MVP in the 90s, Lebron fans would say that white non-sports players dominated the 90s.
Steve Nash ( age 24 ) in the 1998/99 season: 8-ppg. FG-36%
Steve Nash ( age 36 ) in the 2010/11 season: 14-ppg. FG-49% and 11-APG.
JORDAN will be dominate in this era.
jjosephdubya he’s not being racist, he’s saying lebron fans make statements like “ Jordan played with unathletic white guys” meanwhile an unathletic white guy like Nash did great against bron and Kobe
@jjosephdubya
2005: Kobe leads the Lakers to 28-38 record in the games he played ( Missed the Playoffs ).
Kobe could not win even 30 games.
Even Pau Gasol was able to bring his team to the Playoffs.
2005 Lakers:
Lamar Odom, Caron Butler.
2006: Kobe needs Phil Jackson to at least get into the Playoffs. 1st Round exit.
2007: 1st Round exit.
Kobe fans are hypocrites.
Fans of Kobe: statistics are not important, the main victory. Kobe is better than Lebron.
@jjosephdubya First, Smush Parker did not play for the Lakers in 2005.
Kobe had a good team: Lamar Odom, Caron Butler.
I addition, i did not claim that Steve Nash is better than Lebron or Kobe, my comment is addressed to people who discredit the 90s.
Steve Nash ( age 24 ) in the 1998/99 season: 8-ppg FG-36%
Steve Nash ( age 36 ) in the 2010/11 season: 14-ppg FG-49% and 11-APG ( assists leader )
@jjosephdubya Because Jordan was on another level. If you saw him in real time you would understand.
Its ashamed Kareem is never in the conversation.
Coach Darren lol I just said this Stephen had the nerve to say antwahn Jamison smh that was the turning point smh
@@lavnyvvision2071 I know it's absolutely crazy.
“Who does that!!!!”
This and joe rogan are da best podcast I’ve ever seen Matt Barnes and Stephen Jackson are da realist people too these guys are fuckin amazing
For me it’s 1.MJ 2.Lebron 3.Kobe
Overall I’d put 1. MJ 2.Lebron 3.Kareem 4.Magic 5.Kobe
I got 1 Lebron, 2 Jordan and 3 Kobe
War Age TV Lebron’s my favourite player but 6-0 is hard to argue against not going to lie
1. MJ 2. Kareem 3. Lebron then I've got Kobe at around 7-9. Kobe was my favorite player of anyone in the top 10.
For me, I cant put anyone but MJ at #1, but after that its hazy. If youre talking a combination of legacy, lasting impact on the league, everything about their career and what they did for the league in their time, I think you have to go
1. MJ
2a. Magic
2b. Bird
2c. Lebron/Kobe/make your case for whoever else
The lasting impact these guys had on the league far surpasses anything anyone else has done really. Think about how Magic and Bird revived the NBA when it was on its last legs, and it allowed MJ to make it such a globalized sport, and paved the way for superstars today. I left them all at #2, because 2-4 is interchangeable really. Magic and Bird both deserve the spots though, and right next to each other; cant have one without the other. Objectively speaking I think this is the best most fair list, because you cant really deny the amount of impact and exactly how iconic Lebron/Kobe/Bird/Magic/MJ were. MJ is the most iconic, and the GOAT, but hes #1 for a reason.
Vince just settled it all. Everyone else STOP
I put MJ, Kobe, and LBJ at 1,2,3.
Vince is in my top ten for sure too.
Lol stak got tight for a second about Robeson not being able to shoot and had to catch himself.
Vince based it on rings. Where’s Bill Russell then?
So if Jordan went to 9 finals and lost 3 he still would be 6-3 🤷🏽♂️
But if LeBron go to championship three more years and win he would be 6/6 come on now. 50 % the percentage to get there is crazy. First time at 22 his impact of the game is crazy.
@@user-jl2te1tt5z Lebron could easily loose and be 3 -10. Lebron also played on stacked teams he put together in a historic Weak Eastern Conference.
@@jsn23nc he took them to chip at 22 without a stack team his impact to go to the chip is crazy.
247 365 Exactly, if you win 6 Finals and Lose 6 Finals that’s still more impressive than winning 6 in 6 attempts. Because where were you all the other years when you didn’t make the Finals? That’s the part people don’t look at
@@sanantoballa4834 Mfs dream to go to the chip. Real talk bro
This is the correct answer
Stack why you screaming dayummmmm