Martin Keown INSISTS he was a BETTER DEFENDER than Tony Adams! 👀🔥
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- čas přidán 21. 12. 2023
- Simon Jordan, Jim White and Martin Keown react to Robbie Fowler's claim that he better than Michael Owen and Keown has an interesting take of his own.
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United fan here and Tony Adams is levels above Martin
Adams played most of his career with a hangover it's quiet remarkable he was that good
And while drunk too
@@UncleRuckus_96think that goes with the first comment don't it ?
@@nyallsmith320 Hangover and drunk are not the same
@@mojebi3804 what's the best way to kill a hangover drink and that's what adams done me mucker
😂 Adams is one of these people that think they were alcoholics but really they wasnt andci know this 100% because they wouldn't be able to walk on the pitch if an alcoholic. He was just a piss head and piss heads are making it hard for real alcoholics to get help! If you can go work you are not an alcoholic! Its that simple! If you stop without medication or having seizures you are not an alcoholic
2:02 Simon’s Quick Look up is EVERYONE watching. Adam’s was a warrior and kept Martin on the bench even with his alcohol days
Arsenal fan here, ADAMS was a level above Keown, calm down Martin!
The delusion is unreal from Martin Adam’s one of the greatest to do it idc what anyone says he was rolls Royce defender
Agreed but he was still class ey
thought i misheard that
Tony remains Arsenal's greatest defender ever. Martin is number 2 something he can't get to grips with 😂
Steve Bould was better than Keown. In some ways he was better than Adams.
How is this even a discussion to be had?
There is no way even Keown believes that.
Love Keown and he was an excellent old school defender but he was no Tony Adams. Adams was heart and soul, blood and thunder and would defend with his life. One of the best tacklers in the history of English football and was phenomenal in the air. Both boxes. They don't make defenders like Adams anymore. Mr Arsenal
Adams was seriously underrated. Never had the athleticism of Maldini (probably the greatest) but he was a great defender. After being destroyed in the 1988 european championships, he rose from 1990 onwards to be almost mistake free. Was well drilled, could read the game perfectly, had bravery, and actually got even better once Arsene Wenger took over at Arsenal.
Martin, I'm sorry, love you and all that as an Arsenal fan, but you were not fit to lace Tony's boots.
It was the timing of his tackles too, which were so astounding. Lost count of the times he would nick it off the striker just as they were about to shoot. Adams was class
@gladiatorscoops4907 Hugely underrated. After the disaster of the 1988 Euros, and after his jail term in 1990, he was a different man. Those incidents motivated him. And you're right, his tackling was second to none. 88 Euros aside, he never let England down.
Also the fact that he was struggling with alcohol addiction, yet was still putting in a shift for Arsenal every week, says it all. A strong strong man.
He was not fit to lace Adams Drink.
Jurgen Kohler was class never mentioned anymore
@24327355 Being an alcoholic and still performing week in/week out.
Adams was a Legend.
I honestly believe Fowler was better. Better finisher, better weak foot, better header of the ball, better striker of a ball and could score any type of goal.
Fowler was a better finisher
I think so
Adams is one of THE best centre halves ever.
Na, he was overrated like a lot of English players.
Is this even a debate. Fowler was a monster finisher
Owen was a Ballon Dor winner…
@@brenb70He won a Ballon d'Or which was a great achievement, but he wasn't better than Robbie and couldn't lace Batistuta, Del Piero, Henry and Raul's boots and none of them won the award
Owen had a great season no doubt, but the award was mainly given because Liverpool won 5 trophies in a calander year, Haaland had a far greater season than Owen did but lost out because Messi won the world cup... Winning it doesn't = the best player it's a combination of individual and team honours. Fowler was at Liverpool in that calander year, and had respectable numbers but was clearly past his peak.. so was never going to be contending with Owen at that stage, and at his peak the teams he played for were never capable of doing it. @@brenb70
true Fowler was phenomenal.i dont rate Owen
@@burlhorse61 Cause you are ignorant
Arsenal fan here ,watched Martin and Tony Adams in their prime and it’s not even a debate,Adams was better without doubt,I never thought Arsenal would loose a game if Tony Adams started because 😢would always drag the team though
1:58 that double take by Simon 😂
He wasn't better than Adams he had to leave because he couldn't get into the team Bould & Adams were the preferred partnership. Played for Everton & Villa before coming back to Arsenal .
We Gooners love you Martin, but Mr Arsenal Tony is the Best England Defender from the late 80's to the noughties.
Adams made the players around him give 110%
MK - I was a better player than Tony Adams
TA - I am a better pundit than MK
MK - But that’s stupid - you’ve never been a pundit
TA - Well you started it
Paul McGrath was better than Adam’s, Keown and Bould put together. Greatest defender of all time by a country mile.
Where did they bring McGrath into this?
You've obviously never heard of Baresi.
No more drink for you!!!!!!!!
@@mykiman5955 🤣💯
never heard of him
Fowler was the best striker in England pre injuries, he was ridiculously good, although Shearer had more goals in those peak seasons, Fowler was getting better and better and scored all kinds of spectacular goals. Had he not got injured I reckon he would have been challenging Shearer at the top of the all time premiership goals list. .
Oh, please. Nobody in Europe wanted Fowler.
Shearer didnt have big injury?
Why would he leave Liverpool, he was a Scouser, Fowler was ridiculous from 93 to 97 scored 30 plus goals a season before he was 22 years old@@mansnotbot4160
@@misturmonson7423 He did and a same injury as Fowler, but as we saw with Shearer when he returned he was as good as ever and remained im shape his whole career, Fowler was never the same lost his sharpness, packed the beef on etc.. whether this was just one having a better mentality, one injury being more damaging long term or a mix of both we will never know for sure.
I can understand when your playing you want to “believe” your better than your opposition or someone in the same position as you..
But looking back years later you need to be honest with yourself ..
Omgggg no martin you was epic but adams was mr arsenal ❤😂
Look at who made more apperances for Arsenal (during the period both players were at Arsenal) and then look at who made more appearances for England.
Adam’s & Owen>>>> keown & fowler
Adam's and Fowler > Keown and Owen
Fowler reminds me of Berbatov, a natural goalscorer with average pace but an insane amount of skill. Owen got more TV highlights because of his blistering speed.
Imagine kane with pace 😂
Simon wasnt joking either 😅
Michael Owen never scored 20 league goals in a season in his whole career..he’s a myth
true -the only thing he had going for him was pace.Never seen anyone make a name out of that argentina goal.Fowler was a phenom
Owen better at international level though.
@@burlhorse61 100% dude..If fowler was a better athlete he could have been anything
Robbie fowler was my first football Hero growing up , love him he was so good
Don’t understand the controversy. All elite players have this mentality it’s called belief and self confidence
yeah but you have to be truthful too.
I remember that 2001 cup final which to this day I call the handball henchoz final
People really are misunderstanding this. It's not about whether he was better or if Adams was better, he's talking about a MENTALITY.
Keown was the one who nicknamed him Donkey I suspect 😂
Let others debate who was better
He said in his own opinion. Click bait at its best
I agree, Martin was better defender, especially in 1 on 1 situations. Adams was just more commanding when it come set pieces.
Have said Martin was better for years.. Adams would slip up and Martin would mop up.. Made Adams look good..
Keown acts like he wasn’t a bench warmer his entire arsenal career
Don't be an idiot, George Graham used him as a utility player, a lot of the time he wasn't even palying as a central defender he was playing as a defensive midfielder. For our important games under Wenger (at least in the first 5 years) he was always first choice alongside Adams.
Fowler Is completely right, also if he had Owen’s pace he could have been the best striker England has ever seen.
100% correct. Fowler was a beast, left foot, right foot, in the air, linking play and dropping deep…Owen could run very very fast, that’s it.
@@jakaira3 Being fast is not all that Owen had. He wasn't as good as Fowler, but plenty of players have been really fast and no where near as good as Owen.
@@Three_Sword_Hokage I’m comparing him to Fowler directly. Owen was a good player absolutely, but Fowler was a different level. Cole, Collymore, Shearer, Sutton, Ferdinand, Wright, Sheringham, Hirst…there were some serious strikers around and Fowler on his day was the best. Owen can’t say he reached a level comparable with strikers in his era and his era wasn’t as good.
Fowler Pre injury was the best striker in England for me, and if he had remained Injury free I believe he would have been challenging Shearer for all time goals scored in the Premiership.
Do agree there tbf imagine kane with pace lol
as an Arsenal fan, I agree with R. Fowler...... Owen was brilliant finisher, but Fowler was equally skillful(just older)...... but despite Keown being a great defender, Tony Adams was obviously superior...... Tony Adams one of the most iconic CBs in history of PL...... Tony Adams is like "english F. Hierro"..... all around brilliant defender...... if our early 2000's CB pairing was prime Tony Adams + Sol Campbell, then our defense wouldn't have any competition...... and that was back when both Chelsea and Man Utd had some world-class defenders
I agree Robbie was better than Owen as for Martin to be better than Adams 😂😂
never in a million years martin, now stop sniffing glue
If you wanted to man-mark someone MK was the player to do so - he was quicker than TA but in all other defending aspects e.g. tackling, heading, organisation, leadership, etc he was a distant second
Classic Simon Jordan finish to video.
4:40 Liverpool fans wake up. He wanted to come back, Liverpool said they wanted him to his face but dodged the fee from Madrid and Rafa didn’t want him on a free from Newcastle
Martin "Jim" Keown
Fowler was a better finisher and tbh he's right all round better striker
Even Shearer said Tony Adams was one of he toughest opponents
I think so too Robbie, why the drama?
Anyone else curious to what these fellas fill out on the forms at the beginning is it some kind of health and safety check 😂
Arsenal fan here for 25 years Martin keown was a legend great cb but nothing on Adam's was a level above I'm not biast am a fair judge I haven't seen many CBS come close to Adam's very few
Owen was faster than Fowler, was a teenage prodigy like Fowler and was a better professional than Fowler. However, Fowler’s all round game and natural ability to score goals was superior to Owen’s. Fowler was the natural heir to Rush, but made bad decisions and had bad luck with injuries.
Nothing between them is probably the most accurate summary of Owen and Fowler.
nah fowler was a better finisher , cmon lets have it
I like the confidence martin i like it! Lol.
I am a United supporter and i agree R. Fowler is a more rounded striker than M. Owen. But I think Keown is really thick skin to say that comparison of himself to T. Adam. 🤣
Owen played for Manchester United, England ,Real Madrid and won a ballon dor and Fowler svored a few for the scousers 😂
Fowler's attitude and professionalism was worse than Owen's. They both got injured too much.
Tony Adams left Arsenal in 2002 and so he was not part of the invincibles squad
Figured that out by reading the title mate 🤦♂️
@@peggi18how?
@@matthewmulholland1797 how is that comment relevant to what I said?
@matthewmulholland1797 I did not say that. I was simply pointing out the talksport title was wrong. They have since edited it.
I know why Fowler is liked by LFC fans much more than Owen: Owen was a right prat on the Irish pre-season tours-every other player signed autographs and talked to fans loads, Michael snubbed everyone.
Fowler is a working class lad from toxteith ,Owen always seemed like he was middle class from Chester ,that’s the reason
There's no way was martin keown better then Adams not a hope
I think so too Martin.
Keown was a great defender who got better as he got older. Adams was elite…everyone knows that
Adams could read the opposition strikers better than any England player in modern times ; he was undoubtedly Englands best defender for the last 50 years ; having said that Keown would be the first name on the team sheet centre back wise if he was playing today
Keown been smoking that goooooood
Martin was a top defender very under rated watch TIFO video on the biggest transfers of all time. Keown is one of them
I didn’t think Keown could be any more annoying - now he thinks he’s better than Tony Adams 🤦♂️
Martin’s had a bang to the head
UNBELIEVABLY ARROGANT
I said this months ago, but i cannot take Martin Keown seriously..... even more so now..
Definitely
I remember Shearer going what 20 ? England matches zero Goals - and There's Robbie uncapped + itching to show Europe what was what it's 1996 - ends up 26 caps 15 as a sub 7 times subbed - What a waste - God like What Went Wrong .
United fan here and keown has officially lost the plot if he really thinks so
Both Fowler and Owen had 4 brilliant years before injuries did them both in.
Yep, that's what people forget!
Goals per game ratio for Liverpool in the Premier League....
1 Fernando Torres 0.637
2 Mohamed Salah 0.63
3 Luis Suarez 0.627
4 Michael Owen 0.546
5 Robbie Fowler 0.481
I think Owen was right, if he was a scouser and hadnt been so good for England he would be as loved by Liverpool fans as Fowler.
And if he didn’t play for Man United.
I would agree with Keown, he was a better player than Adam’s. Keown would make my ultimate Arsenal squad but Adam’s just falls short. Keown has the monster factor that disheartens the opposition, you just don’t want to play against him.
Are you been serious? Tony Adams is widely regarded as Arsenal's greatest defender ever and one of the best to have played in the Premier league. Keown wasn't even better than Sol Campbell. I can also make a statement for Steve Bould.
@@ezekielnwosu1462 You are right Keown wasn’t better than Sol Campbell but that’s because Campbell was one of the best Center backs we have ever head. Not only was Campbell a pivotal part of the invincibles but he also is the only Arsenal player to score in a Champions League final.
Keown was better than Adam’s and miles better than Bould. Keown was also a great international for England and even captained the team. Bould got like 2 caps for his nation.
Campbell and Toure are the best partnership of Center-backs we have ever had (not including current players as they shouldn’t be judged until their career’s are over) I would put Campbell ahead of Toure if we are just judging on their Arsenal career but if we count Kolo’s time at City then they are neck and neck. For me Koscielny gets third as he was a fantastic player we just needed better players around him. Then Keown 4th and Adam’s 5th. I think David O’Leary is probably a head of Bould as well considering he has 558 appearances and played pretty much his whole career at the club.
@@CartesianNullificationNo Bould was seriously underrated. There’s a reason why Keown just warmed the bench under Graham when he came back. Adams and Bould were the best CBs pairing. The 90/91 title winning season when we went unbeaten except one game (when Bould went off injured) and the 94 Cup Winners Cup final proved it.
Martin Keown is a super star,Tony Adams is one of the greatest defenders ever,not a chance he's better,
Spurs fan and Adams was a true legend and many levels above Keown
Adams was better but Keown was up there.
Take it easy Martin you were a good defender but Tony Adams was much better, probably the best defender we have seen in English football. Facts
Since I've watched Arsenal the order of best Arsenal's CB are 1 Adams 2 Keown 3 Campbell 4 Toure 5 Bould. Just my opinion.
I'd say. 1. Adams 2. Campbell 3. Keown 4. Bould 5. Toure. It's just a matter of time Saliba & Gabriel will get into that company.
yeah........... no one else thought that..........................
Keown showed his true side with the pathetic assault on Van Nistelrooy .................
Robbie Fowler snorted in the face of keeper's + wasted by England lol - Greatest Goalscorer since
Jimmy Greaves - United supporter so I'm in know way biased .
Tottenham fan here Ledley was better than both COYS
Not even better than Mustafi
@@iRyan250😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 honestly
Fowler was mustard
Lol crazy how so much people never watched football. Martin was a better player. Adams was our captain and had heart but as a player martin was easily better
Ha Ha an out of his head on Stella Adams was way better then Martin
Er, no you weren't Keown...
This is laughable from Keown, Tony Adams has been the best English CB i've ever seen, better than Terry, Rio, etc, he had it all reading of the game, in the air and most of all leadership qualities that made him Captain of Arsenal at 20 years old.
Keown no where near
Adam’s all day Keown
so NO ONE in the comments actually listened to the video, learn too listen and include context
Keown's wearing glasses and still struggling to see reality.
Is Keown serious 😂😂 not even close
Adams captained arsenal to titles in 3 different decades he was a captain since his early 20s even younger than odegaard who got it at 22
Keown behave adams was waaaaaaaaaay ahead of you respectfully
Honestly 😂😂
Does this guy hear the stuff that comes out of his head 😂😂
There's self confidence and belief and then theirs being straight up delusional😅martin was good and there's no denying it but tony was a captain leader and a club legend.Despite the fact that Tony had alcohol issues and was never really the most dedicated pro he really was a standout figure at the back and would show up in the big games tony was a fantastic player lead/controlled the back line,shouted at players to demand better of them, kept team morale and players respected him,people follow great leaders because they want to not because they're made to,and that's the difference between a keown and .co and a mighty tony adams he wasn't just a better player he was a more influential one too.Martin was just another centre back partner tony had along the way and was good but he couldn't lace Tony's boots in many aspects.
Martin trying to re-write history.... The tapes are all there... He was fortunate to be at Arsenal... Good character but ability-wise it was pretty easy for Toure to displace him....
He couldn’t drink as much.
Fowler was better he had a great strike
I hated arsenal I’m united but I always thought Martin was the easy route when we played against them
Owen was better. He left Liverpool to further his career at Real Madrid and Man utd. Fowler couldn't reach those levels.
Owen never scored more than 20 premier league goals 😂😂😂
This is nonsense and Martin knows it.
Namanja vidic is the best centre back ever make these boys look like garbage bags in front of goals
Vidic isn’t close to Maldini, Baresi or Beckenbauer.
@@mchazelover I meant prem 🍩