Underappreciated Historical Weapons: THE GAUNTLET SWORD / Pata
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- A series looking at the underappreciated, somewhat unknown, historical weapons that really existed. In this episode we'll be looking at the Gauntlet Sword, or more officially the Indian Pata.
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"All those cool weapons you thought you invented in your head but have actually already been made and are just uncommon", volume XIV
@This Dude This did catch on, just not outside of india.
Volune XIV of what? (Sorry for being uncultured )
@@krustykrabemployeepatricks3709 his comment was the title
See if you can find a real hidden blade from
Assassin‘s creed
A cod peice, but a fucking halberd
This takes "the sword is an extension of your arm" to a whole new level...
😆
Shad should have made 2 of them because dual wielding gaunlet swords is a lot easyer then wielding two normal swords.
He who lives by the sword, *B E C O M E S T H E S W O R D*
White Lotus guy from Avatar
Imagine people without an arm using this
I love how the Gauntlet sword is technically popular, but only when its wielder replaces a missing arm with one of these
Talon from league of legends has a silly looking kind of katar/pata looking weapon
that would be difficult to attach to a damaged arm tho, just imagine any medieval method to attach a sword to an arm whitout stabbing the person whit a huge rod going inside the arm lol
@@maurixe2724 First thing that came to my mind lol
@@maurixe2724 almost round gauntlet maybe, with a steel part and a leather/thick cloth part and a belt used to tighten the leather/cloth. The steel frame goes inside the linen/cloth to make it even more attached. Basically you attach it to your whole forehand because you lost your arm.
Jamie Lancaster could have used one. Anything than a useless fake hand.
It was actually used in the battlefield by kings to give the middle finger to other kings, they needed something big to show it.
I’m stealing this
I love this comment
Funny but it was actually used with a shield and used as a thrusting weapon primarily. So the Patta wasn't a defensive weapon the shield was the defense the patta was simply used to gun punch , punch or stab , stab with not thought given to what if you lose your shield lol.
this is true
@@John2r1 No, you are factually wrong.
"Sheila...call the cops, he's doing weird stuff in the garden again"
Always lookibf for this comment. ?💓
That sounds like something caboose from Res vs. Blue would say
These "jokes" are so unfunny. The premise is bad. Who calls the cops on someone wielding a sword in their own garden?
@@Likexner The 613 "likes" on my comment would tend to disagree with you.
@@The_Butler_Did_It I know, and i disagree with them. Im just honestly surprised anyone finds that funny.
How to use gauntlet sword
Step 1: Extend arm
Step 2: Spin in circle(continually)
Step 3: Scream like a maniac
Step 4: Pray
Repeat until success.
TacTech Channel or just swing it from atop a horse with great force. Heads will roll.
Yup, especially the head of your own horse ...
LEEEEEEROYYYYY JENKKKKKKINNNSSSSSS!!!!
In other words
Spin to win
Step 5: Get dizzy
Step 6: Fall down
Step 7: Get stabbed a lot.
“That is meek, he has knives for hands”
Hey man, we're gonna jump on that humongous spaceship, wanna come?
How does he hug his children? He cannot. He must give them kisses!
*Insert Meek knife dance that no one talks about*
@@TheSquigy well, he could, he has to be very careful, but if he touches them with only the flat side
@@gggg-hq4td I was making an obscure reference to a CZcams channel that I no longer support. It was a let's play channel and the guy was making fun of these bright design of the Lionel's in the original legend of Zelda game where it looks like they have swords for hands
I can immediately see ONE good use of this weapon.
In a shield formation! You wouldn't need to worry about the enemy striking your swordarm, and you wouldn't have to overextend yourself as much when striking the enemy.
It could serve as an option for spears, or at least something to complement a spear formation.
That takes the one finger salute to a whole new level.
imagine getting the finger with that, i would not mess with that guy.
Komere Siegemaker flip someone the bird with this you might actually stab a bird
the sword is an extension of one's arm
India: challenge accepted
Wrist plays such an important role in increasing maneuverability, reach, and technique!
@@Renwoxing13 locking wrist can make strikes more powerful as well.
No they just read it wrong
just Dhalsim it at that point.
Hey shad, love from India. I discovered ypur channel quite recently. Having some knowledge of the patta, i can assure you that its function is quite different to what you considered. The patta or Dandpatta has a very flexible blade, which allows it to be used against a multitude of enemies. It also has a longer reach of four feet or more. It is mostly used in conjunction with a shield and requires a string of motions which increase the speed of the blade with each swing. With practise, it has been observed that the edge of the patta can surpaas the speed of sound. It still packs precision though. Another thing is that one cannot reach the wielder due to a continuous flurry of blows. This intensive movement caused tremendous strain on the wrist and that is why the gauntlet was introduced. Still, i have a lot of respect that you attempted to analyse the blade.
In the matter of convenience, the patta was flexible enough to be tied on your waist like a belt and thats how it was carried. The name of the blade comes from this as well, as 'Patta' simply means 'Belt' in Marathi, the language used in the state where this weapon was developed
There were several varieties, you describe one of the less common ones by all accounts. Though it's possible they were just less durable than the more rigid ones, hence a lack of surviving examples. Also possible that the more rigid variants were due to Islamic influence, as many of the the rigid bladed examples have Shiite livery.
@@davehood2667 it might be possible. I have more knowledge of the maratha empire than the mughal. In the maratha empire, the one I specified was used. The variations may also be caused due to politics. The marathas specifically imported the metals used to make the patta whereas i have not read any such claims from the ones used in the mughal dynasty. However, in the western part of India, we refer to the patta as the flexible kind that i mentioned and there is little information regarding the pure gloved sword since it was rarely, if ever, used. The concept of the patta, as we understand it, was simply that it would act as a whip witha blade since full plate armour was not as prevalent in India as it was in Europe.
@@mercurial3188 From what I can find, the flexible ones were indeed much earlier, whereas the rigid bladed examples in the New York Met and British Museums are very late period, and do appear to use imported steel, but a hard steel. I actually suspect a simpler explanation than you think; I can see some cavalier looking at a Maratha style patta, and thinking to himself, "with a hard blade one of those would be great for horseback fighting" and set out to try it, and they were just starting to catch on when the English came to town.
@@davehood2667 so i looked into it and it was indeed used in horse fighting. Apparently what you said was right but truly ineffective. When the patta was used on horseback, it was used armoured cavalry to curlt horse legs and such tactics to dismount riders. During the end periods, people started experimenting on it to try and make it better.
They tried hardening it, adding guns to it and the works. However, this all failed the purpose of the weapon. But since swordfighting went out of use thanks to the advent of guns, future pattas stayed on mostly as show pieces.
Here is a link on how it was used. Its just a tradition now, though.
czcams.com/video/ES6IheawBNE/video.html
his neighbors: why is there a man outside in his backyard with a castle and pointy things
What Jaime Lannister should've used after he lost his hand.
Sorry buddy i didnt know we have a same comment
Would have been difficult to affix the gauntlet/sword to his stump and maintain an ability to exert force without it possibly falling off.
Cause it fuctions kind of like a really long Katar, there's a grip for your hand.
@@matthewcrosbie7430 um... It's more of a joke than anything.
@@matthewcrosbie7430 ever heard of a strap? youre making things for a wealthy man, a well respected man, i think they might be able to get their hands on a leather belt, maybe even 2 if he is willing to pay enough.
they gave him a golden hand that doesnt seem to fall off, im sure he could get a sword or even some armor that has a sword attached to the end of it.
18:38 now there's a man who loves his job
Shad uses DOUBLE ATTACK!
It's super effective!
Andrew Armstrong It looks like an anime weapon.
In fact, there was a weapon like that in Kill la Kill, it was like scissors or something
Metal gear rising
I've read dandpatta were used one in each hand generally by heavily armored maratha warriors. The attachment of the sword to the gauntlet allowed them to strike with more power in successive seemingly wreckless attacks without losing grip on the weapons while also being able to block heavy strikes from weapons like polearms, clubs or staves more effectively without having the blocking blade pushed back or knocked aside than a hand held sword. The inconvenient nature of donning the weapons suggests they were exclusively a battlefield implement and not carried for self defense.
just imagine someone with sword hands running at you, dual wielding. They'd be good on horseback especially with a specialized saddle
Even better weapon idea: full body pata. Throw yourself at the enemy!
Quinton Medlin Even better better idea, full body pommel. End them rightly
Look up the character named Thibbledorf Pwent from the Forgotten Realms fantasy books. He wore spiky armor all over and just wanted to hug some goblins :)
End him rightly!
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"I´m not a man, I´m a weapon in human form. Just unsheathe me, and point me at the enemy."
- Hrongar from Skyrim.
Europe: creates sword and gauntlet
Indians: I have a gauntlet, I have a sword, ugh, gauntlet sword
Pineapple pen!
@@SawantSumeet dumbfuck Marathas was a Indian Hindu warrior class
@@himalayandiaries2125 what did he say?
*NO!*
@@cultofeyes7260 from the looks of the replies, they probably said this was made by Maratha and not Indians, but Maratha are Indians.
This is basically what Optimus has in TFP
Wondering if his blasters have a historical counterpart...
I think it would have been worth mentioning in the thought process to consider that it would be easy to master and use as a sword in the non-dominant hand, and would be very good for parrying because of both the gauntlet and the more efficient energy transfer. I think that it's worth exploring the kind of fighting styles it would enable in the fantasy setting
"Hand protection is always an issue, especially if you want to finger the guard."
DM: The guard is surprised, but enthusiastic.
Is there a difference between a male and a female guard in this case?
that made me spit my whiskey
@@Wyzai Don't think so.
@@Wyzai You're going to want to have some soap and water close by if you finger a bum.
@@flyboymike111357 What if you aren't fingering the bum for the man?
When you upgrade your hiden blade to much
Plan A: hidden blade
Plan B:
@@johnapple6646 lightly concealed blade
@@gggg-hq4td “it’s just a really long fork I’m not threatening I promise”
@@shadedfox4165 Yeah, you will know it's a fork or a sword when you will get a hit by spinning gauntlet sword user
I remember the Pata being in one of my favorite Castlevania games, Castlevania: Curse of Darkness. There was a lot of awesome weapons in that game and I’ve always considered it a gem of the PS2 era.
I was literally coming to the comments to make this statement! Curse of darkness is the best. People complain the Innocent Devils are too weak, but they didn't understand the Brooch of Bonds. :D
Willow is an amazing show. Im glad my family raised me on shows like that
if you look at the translation of kinetic energy from the handle to the hand on a standard sword design when thrusting, and then compare that to the design of a gauntlet sword, then the gauntlet sword is clearly the superior thrusting sword. That said i would say its ideally used paired with a shield so you can just basically hide behind your shield and poke with thrusts.
id say shield would be best but a gauntlet sword on the other hand would also cover the weakest points in its defensive capabilitys
I believe scholagladiatora said the pata primarily used rapier blades
yeah however i feel like it would be better to use thrusting weapons in a standard sword design because the whole point (get it?) is to be stab through gaps in armor which i feel would be pretty hard to do with the gauntlet design if just used as a personal defense weapon against unarmored opponents then yes it is better for thrusting completely agree with the shield thing or maybe a parry dagger of some sort
Better yet get two shorter ones with bucklers on the braces. Now you can defend and attack at the same time, boxer style.
Solution: strap one to each arm and dual wield them like Baraka from Mortal Kombat
That would easily make that person one of the more deadlier combatants on the battlefield
Or Voldo from Soul Blade/Soul Calibur..
Or the version of Deadpool we don't talk about
@@Arkume8Beltz indeed but voldos weapon of choice is the katar
@@madalchemist3420 Yep, is his estándar weapon, but you can choose the gauntlet sword, dual chakra, soul Blade, etc
Warwick Davis was 19 when he starred in Willow.
Also, Ash's chainsaw hand is the only other gauntlet sword I know of.
40K have a couple similar weapons to these.a blade attached to the arm but leaving the fingers free.
Man this really reminds me of Edward Elric's makeshift weapon from Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood. He transmutes his prosthetic arm to have an albeit smaller blade that's attached very similar to this
I appreciate how you always go to lengths like making replicas in order to get a hands on feel rather than just talking about everything from an abstract, academic view. It's nice to be able to get both the visual reference and the personal feedback. Though now I want to see a video on pata flourishes.
Michael LaPorte I agree with you completely. Making (semi-functional) replicas, similar in concept to experimental archeology, gives the maker a whole new level of understanding. In making period clothing, I’ve learnt which characteristics are functional and which are decorative (and convey ‘status’). Some things are decorative, expensive, and ‘useless,’ but don’t impair function in a pinch/bad situation (wimples, parti-colour, dagging, expensive tablet-woven edges & applied trims, slashed&puffed sleeves) and others are downright dangerous (trains, hanging sleeves, poulains).
*It's simple*
*Just unhook the sheath from belt and launch the sheath at your opponent and start the fight rightly .*
*Thank you for all the 👍 likes .*
Dude, that's sounds leathal, if done correctly!
@@thehumanvacuum3413
It is .
Basically like Blade's Blade Launcher? (Blade II, Weasley Snipes).
Maybe the sheath can have a small blade on it so if you can launch the sheath it can maybe stab someone
Not sure if anybody has thought of it this way, but what if the gauntlet sword was a lightsaber? It would certainly look cool to have a lightsaber blade emanating from your fist and the extra reach you could get thanks to being able to fully extend your arm could be advantageous.
A gauntlet energy sword might make up for some of the limitations in a more high tech setting. Outside of combat it'd just be gauntlet, the blade could be quickly and easily deployed, and it would probably be lighter which would make it less strenuous to use.
In such setting, the relative utility of carrying a melee weapon goes way down. Why not carry a gauntlet that shoots out energy instead of forming a blade? Assuming weight is not important thanks to power armour.
@@Myst- Sure, but at that point you're taking an issue with the science fiction trope of having energy-based melee weapons rather than the logic of that particular iteration of it. I mean I'm sure you could contrive some kind of reason for it if you wanted to. Going with the power armor idea, maybe they have sophisticated armor technology that reliably stops energy projectiles, but can be more easily penetrated by concentrated energy beams that can only really be generated in a small area, kind of like a plasma torch. Either that or maybe you have jedi-like psions that for whatever reason are able to channel their powers in such a way to augment their energy blades, but it doesn't work as well with projectile weapons.
*sees Shad holding the arming sword in the hand with his pata* .... Quadruple wield?
Samuel Raborn Shad Scissorhands
I imagine it would be really hard to put on and take off 2 gauntlet swords without help.
that's what squires are for! ; )
cobraglatiator You mean kids ;)
same difference
Yeah, a full-length gauntlet-sword is far too long to be practical for anything, but I think a shorter pata (basically just an upgraded punching dagger) could be awesome and still somewhat practical.
Zendikari Sparkmage So you mean a Katar?
With a thin enough blade and a bit of a handguard, yeah, that'd work.
Short sword length, plus upgrade the gauntlet with more defense to serve like a shield, maybe with a small guard near the back to catch opponent's weapons.
Short sword length, plus upgrade the gauntlet with more defense to serve like a shield, maybe with a small guard near the back to catch opponent's weapons.
Zendikari Sparkmage it's practical, but he's not using its actual style. It's used with a shield, and strikes are entirely different to what he's showing
I had a character who was equipped this way and I just could not figure out how it would work defensively so this video is great to see!
"Gauntlet sword"
Me, laughing with Squallo's prosthetic hand sword...
"Alright recruits, today you get your patas. Don't good off with them, you're on guard duty."
This is a weapon that needs more recognition! glad to see it here!
Ever seen MegaMan: NT Warrior? Every time they use any kind of swords, they use them like this.
Well, except for that one type that´s actually three types of swords, but there´s still 6 different variations of swords used like the Pata that I can name from the top of my head.
Such as? I'm curious and I want to learn more ,(about) Indian Weaponry and martial arts ahg I can't get enough off it.
The ampute version was used by the Gatekeeper in the Shivering Isles dlc for TES IV Oblivion.
They're not gauntlet "swords" per say, but I can think of several gauntlet daggers n such in games. Some models even have a small buckler for better protection.
One of my favorite games of all time actually has the main protagonist's weapon being a gauntlet sword; Tales of Berseria.
In that game, the main protagonist Velvet Crowe uses a gauntlet sword, as well as various kicks, in combat.
I love that you mention Willow. I love Willow so much.
The more I get called "Legendary", the more proud I am to be a patron. xD
The Gauntlet Sword would be an amputee's favorite weapon.
kinda was in FMA
JohnyGage that's a bit less of a pata and more of a katar (qatar?). Also fma/fmab awesome shows
Merl from seasons 2 and 3 of The Walking Dead agrees
Jamie Lanister needs one of these.
Not really - a thrust would put all the pressure on the stump, which would be rather painful. An amputee would be served better with a hook or a cestus (axe gauntlet) or a morningstar
Quest for Camelot had the villain wielding a form of Gauntlet sword, but it had a weird steampunk thing going on where sword was fused to the guy's arm and spun.
Shad's DOUBLE ATTACK with the arming sword in the gauntlet sword hand simultaneously is what makes Shadiversity the greatest anime of our time
As one wise bald man said, 'Context' is very important when dealing with historical weapons and one that can address almost all of the problems you state with the Pata.
First, about guarding- You almost always use Indian swords like tulwar, katar, pata with an Indian buckler (dhal) which you would typically wear on belt, or back. So, you wouldn't need to block hits on the exposed side. In fact, you would be very well protected.
Second, you have to see who is using it against whom, and when. During the 17th and 18th century, Marathas were in conflict with the Mughals and they did assymetric warfare, by ambushing the Mughal in territories they were familiar with. This was the age when almost everyone wore armour, which was mostly mail, and plated mail (steel plates welded to rivetted mail) [ Note that full plate armour could never be worn in the extreme heat and humidity of India]
So, exposed areas to hit would be face, neck, hands and the leg. For this you need something that can damage mail, or cut/ slash the exposed areas. Also, Indian swords are heavier than European ones so bashing the swords against armour, could break links over time, and would not be an enjoyable experience for the enemy.
This also, address the problems with carrying since the Marathas were the ones doing the ambushing on horses in places they were familiar with. You wouldn't need to draw it out when surprised as you would be the one doing the surprising. *So in short you could carry this on a horse, or transport it on carts (mobile troops always have caravans), and these were specialised weapons for mail*
Hope, to see some of these mentioned in next episode.
great comment, very insightful. the more I think about it the more I like this weapon
Thanks, and I agree- Historical weapons are badass.
I imagine how that conversation went. "Hey buddy, love using your sword on horseback, but, hate dropping It?" "then I got the weapon for you!"
Accept that every point you made could still be done with a regular sword and guantlet.......and not hinder your movements so horribly. It's a pointless weapon that can't be replaced by something easier and more cost effective in any situation.
The context however also does help explain why it isn't more common. While it's limitations may be counteracted by the specific circumstances that saw it's development, it also points to it's limited superiority to those specific circumstances. Leaving it less desirable for anyone not in that situation on a reoccurring basis.
Technically you can say Edward Elric from FMA uses that kind of sword, sort of. He uses alchemy to transform his mechanical arm to a blade
I had this idea as well, and was thinking that with a somewhat shorter blade like that it would be far more effective, possibly more so with one on both arms, paired with a shield/buckler, OR possibly with another short range way of grabbing the others weapons and having that advantage being in close.
Also in highschool dxd new issa uses it technically
Yeah but his arm is not designed to be used as a blade so it often does more harm than good.
Captain hook: wright that down, wright that down
as you stated around the 16 min. mark a shorter blade would be easier to draw, i have smithed blades for years now and was toying with the concept of gauntlet blade, i had no idea that it really was a thing in history until i watched this vid. Now i was thinking the blade should be 21 to 26 inches long i would really like your thoughts on this length. Thank you for all your time and hard work, I have never been disappointed in any of your vids. Well Done Good Sir!
WHEN YOU CAN REALLY STICK THE MIDDLE FINGER TO SOMEONE
What could be more awesome??!! A gun blade pata...
Well it was cooler in my head.
Yeah... Recoil would be a bitch, and so would aiming.
Thomas Collins Eh... aiming not so much of a problem. As for recoil... enjoy having a broken elbow.
And you onow what's cooler than a gun blade pata? Two gunblade patas, one for each hand! Mounted on power armor they would be awesome.
Jesse Hills Depends on the caliber, and if you're steadying the shot or not. But, if you're doing that, you can't really make use of the blade effectively.
Well, there's at least one Katar I know of that has a pistol on each side so what you're suggesting is basically just a longer version. :)
War Darts are mentioned in the Dead Sea scrolls and I never knew what they were until now. Thanks!
I can see this behind a shield. Then thrust/cut. You have a unique option of using your "arm" to parry or block and than strike back with a huge force.
Edward Scissorhands was actually a very rich knight who used this kind of weapon.
Willow!!!
It's funny how that type of idea is quite prominent in Sci-Fi settings rather than Fantasy. I've seen many a futuristic gauntlet with an energy blade in that position (although they tend to be attached to the forearm and leave the fist free to move). The Protoss Zealots from Starcraft come to mind.
Lord Baktor similar with the energy sword in Halo
And not sci-fi, but Raziel's sword in Soul Reaver also ignores his hand orientation and extends straight from the forearm.
So many examples I know well, yet couldn't put my finger on. 😅
from games, i remember
protoss - yes
raziel - yup
also - kassadin
There are plenty of bladed fist weapons in Diablo 3 and World of Warcraft so someone at Blizzard has recognized how cool they are!
Once I, eventually, start playing D&D, I'll definitely make a character that wields one (or two) of these.
The gauntlet sword immediately brings to mind Edward Elric from Fullmetal Alchemist, and I haven't even watched that show... He's just that famous for fighting with a Gauntlet Sword type of weapon. The Sword that Gypsy Danger from Pacific Rim has also works kinda similarly.
Wouldn't this weapon be practical for the GAME OF THRONES character JAIME LANASTER for his missing hand but he could use his left to put it on his forearm?
This. Yes. This.
Give our man a Golden - Dragonglass Pata!!!
obsidian would be way too brittle
George Thompson We Would Make it a Valyrian Steel Pata
He could also be like Götz of the Iron Hand a German knight who lost his hand and replaced it with a mechanical hand one that could hold a sword
It still surprises and impresses me that that man really did have a mechanical hand during his time.
10:30 "Especially if you want to finger the guard"
No sexualizing guards Shad! They go through great lengths to keep people safe!
Neurofied Yamato Guard-chan feels violated
Plot twist: Shad is Shadman.
-Shad starts fingering the guard
-Guard: "STOP! You violated the law! Pay the court a fine or serve your sentence! Your stolen goods are now forfeit!"
14:05 "you actually have to uh push your hand in through it"
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I saw you mentioning the punch dagger in this video. I think that it would be very cool if you made a video about it.
I came back to this researching Indian weapons. Something I'm pondering is whether the pata evolved from the katar. Once you had the latter, the pata follows as a natural evolution, possibly on multiple occasions.
Perhaps this wasn't meant to block, but to be paired with a shield instead?
Always. Native Indian combat techniques pretty much never include the concept of parrying as known to europeans. the Pata specifically was also primarily a cavalry sword, oddly enough, so not really intended for close combat, more 'ride by' striking.
very effective weapon for the users trained in the native techniques, which emphasized sweeping, fluid slashing attacks and a rather aggressive use of the shield for parrying and controlling your opponents weapon. For more western users trained to use the sword defensively as well as offensively, it has more than a few drawbacks.
It could be ment for dual Welding
Something else to consider. I've seen Indian artwork of fighters carrying a katar as their offhand weapon. Pretty interesting combination
@@mattfick5502 That's what I was just thinking. Either a short sword or a buckler of some kind in the off hand
Pata were usually paired with either a shield, sword, gauntlet, or another pata.
Well that's one way to give someone the finger.
It was used extensively in the tv series Witchblade. Love the channel Shad.
it seems like it would be good for a gladiatorial style use of weapon more than anything, as you wouldn't have to worry about equipping it on the spot and it has the advantage of being a bit different to fight against as well as the whole flashy entertaining factor.
This series is giving me SOOOOO many weapons to play with in my stories. Keep doing this! It's fun!
Found some interesting things from a brief Google search: Patas were often used with a shield, from horseback or dual wielded, and Southeast Asian swordsmanship uses stiff wrist movements, which you've shown fits the pata pretty well. Don't have much else to go with that, but I thought you might find it interesting.
When I was fifteen I had a wrist reconstruction surgery. I wore a brace for the first two weeks, but after the surgical wounds were healed, the stitches were removed, and the wrist was put in a cast for another eight straight weeks. (Then months of physical therapy to regain mobility and blah, blah, blah)
During those months, I fell in LOVE with my cast. I used it for everything. It was easier to support heavier loads, it worked as a lever, and damn could I hit with it! The cast really came to feel like a natural extension of my body. Having it removed made me feel so naked and vulnerable. Armor is wonderful.
Because of that experience, I can definitely understand how something like this would be effective and very natural to use.
Pata was not used alone. It was always paired with a shield or twin patas. One shorter then other. That will cover your opposite side blocks. Can be also paired with a katar.
Finally, a video on the Gauntlet Sword! I love this weapon! As an aspiring writer, I've intended on giving one of my main characters a gauntlet sword for a while, and I was hoping we'd get a video on it at some point. The other interesting thing to see would be the Gauntlet + Sword combo, where they fight with a gauntlet on one hand and a sword in the other. Also something I will be giving a major character.
Murdo Maclachlan same, it's a shame it's not used on games more often too in favor of simpler similar weapons like the qatar(and even that is rare)
I feel like it would work very well in a soulslike game working as sword/rapier/caestus hybrid with extended trusting range but limited speed on slashes as a balancing factor(it would have more rangr than both, reaching the lenght of a washing pole or the shorter spears)
The only thing I'd wonder is how to make it work with 2-handing... It's a weapon that imho REQUIRES a sidearm or shield, which is also why in a more generic-military influenced setting I'd be able to see only cavalry units using, as it has all the good sides of a spear and a sword, but with added negatives that make it hard to use un foot, plus you can hold reins while holding the weapon in your hand without much problems.
iota-09 actually it would be a pretty interesting idea for a video game, and in the case of a souls-like, i think you could just have it be like the pyromancy flame and not be able to use it with both hands. Another interesting idea would be if it worked as an additional piece of armor, like it pretty much is a gauntlet already, and you could have it increase your armor rating or defense stat by a bit. Or, if you feel like you're making it a bit overpowered in your game, you could use this as a downside: have it fill up both the weapon slot and the armor slot for your gauntlets!
Titan-Volt 101 that last bit requires quite some extra development just for one weapon, it probably would have to be a weapon category of it's own... Though now that you reminded me that the pyro flame can't be used in two habds(like the dark hand) that actually makes it far more viable, in fact, it would probably work EXACTLY like a dark hand, but with a+5% physical defense bonus when wielded to make up for the malus of not being able to 2hand it(no need to make it any more special, as the pyro flame as a bonus had that it's one of the best casting weapons in game and the dark hand it's just all around special with scaling and abilities)
Another way would probably be to make it a dual-wield weapon like the various dual wields or something more special as the lionheart... I shoild have thought about that more, there are definitely ways to implement it in the game and make it cool, too bad we got our last dark souls game... Now we need for the next soulslike by fromsoft which will probably come out after sekiro(I'm going to bet on bloodborne 2 on ps5)
Mad martigin did not use it very proficiently. I remember being disappointed that didn't do enough with it. It got broken right away then he used it like a dagger for the final strike
A couple additional problems with this weapon. Shad mentioned reducing the vibrations felt in the hand while impacting your target by bracing your forearm, but the downfall of this is that you've created a long lever pivoting at the grip with all the force from the slash focused in your forearm and amplified by the difference in length. Quite easy to shatter your own bones this way. The other problem is that, once your opponent makes contact with your weapon, you're left trying to force the short end of a long lever at them while they stroll up and murder you.
man i could so see someone weilding a sword gauntlet and sheild gauntlet but retractable and just busting them out as he walks menacingly into battle
I imagine this would be a god tier weapon for cavalry up against foot soldiers with no shields though
Care to explain?
It wouldn't. A spear is much better because a spear can be abandoned if it gets stuck. Once this pierces someone you are screwed because it is attached to your hand.
GeorgeMonet why would you stab with any sword on horseback? You're using the momentum to cut through, stabbing as you said is just a sure way to lose your weapon
@@GeorgeMonet from watching scholagladiatorias videos, I'm pretty sure this was used more for cutting than thrusting
Honestly I love siege warfare and strategy. I now want to simulate cavalry with these against a horde of barbarians
Patta swords were used by Marathas who were known for their light melee cavalry, so it's possible these swords were specifically designed to cut and slash from horseback, which is why they're typically 3-4 feet long with a lack of wrist flexibility. This also explains why they're cumbersome to carry, as they would presumably be strapped to the horse until required and discarded if the rider was dismounted.
14:00 I don't think they were intended to be worn on the hip/back and "drawn". Instead, these were carried into battle as the primary weapon (as an alternative to a polearm, lance or spear) which renders most of your speculation moot. Similarly, Greatswords were used during the Renaissance and the Odachi was wielded by Samurai on the battlefield. Neither of those swords are easily carried or drawn either.
*Metatron* mentions in one of his videos that swords varied so much in size, shape and function that they can be considered as a class of weapon (rather than a particular type), just like polearms.
Halfway through the video I started thinking horseback fighting solves most of the "problems" mentioned. This configuration is definitely not made for fancy swashbuckling.
Excellent points... I had similar thoughts while watching. He focused too much on European styles of combat to really consider alternative uses.
These swords are not meant to be wielded when on horseback ,the weapon of choice on horseback was dhoop sword also called firangi sword because of the german blades used in their construction it was a 38 to 44 inch long sword straight edge
This pata sword is an adaptation from katar dagger a H shaped grip effectively designed to be a stabbing weapon
I think the sword might be good for duel welding
Marcus Sims if it was a little shorter it could work with duel wielding
Gauntlet-sword can be really good in sci-fi stories with nanotechnology, like, you wear the gauntlet and you can summon the blade whenever you want
Kind of like the energy sword from the halo series
I could see this sort of sword working much better as an energy blade in a sci-fi setting where when it’s not in use it’s just a standard gauntlet then when you need it you press a button or flex your wrist in a certain way and boom instant ion blade (I just recently watched your video on improving the lightsaber and I gotta say your idea is much cooler.
Full Metal Alchemist has it kinda Edward turns his automail into one to fight
Kinda althou Edwards gauntlet Blade isnt nearly AS Long
In the full metal alchemist anime, Edward Elric often uses a weapon akin to the gauntlet sword, he turns the back of his prosthetic arm into a wide short sword, similar to a katar.
Correct
Also Velvet Crowe's weapon in Tales of Berseria
Not to mention Proto-Man from MegaMan. The “energy swords" in those game tend to take a similar shape as a Pata.
Gundam 00 also had a similar weapon wielded by the flagship mecha of the first season, Gundam Exia
Was that in both Fullmetal Alchemist anime? I ask because I've only seen Brotherhood.
Okay, this answers my question about the armblade from Full Metal Alchemist.
That'd be a dope lightsaber. Like imagine someone walking around, then they brandish what appears to be a gauntlet or maybe even a shield and then BAM, the blade ignites. That'd definitely fix the inconvenience of carrying the thing.
According to wikipedia it was used by mounted units.
Now you have to build a horse to test that.
My biggest problem with this weapon is that there is no pommel to unscrew to end the enemy rightly
Devin Wirgart If you have a prosthetic you do
nice job reposting the exact comment from 9 months ago genius
But this configuration makes you the pommel
@@danialzaman1438 headbutt?
This weapon is weak
just watched your spiked pavis and wanted peoples opinion on the combo of this and a spiked pavis...seems like it would be a good mix
This is also a pretty nice base for a "gunsword". The blade points in a direction that also works for the gun.
I've never ever ever seen or heared about this sword before now. Thank you for your videos and being awesome! Greetings from The Netherlands
The Full Metal Alchemist anime has Edward Elric use one, it’s really good, check it out
Edward doesn't have a gauntlet sword. He's just so good at punching people it becomes stabbing
Jarius Reece- I mean I think turning your hand into a sword counts as using one of these
@@kylerharris4246 I was joking, but if we're gonna get technical he has more of a punching dagger than a full sword
@@jariusreece1931 yeah he mentioned a katar early in the video. I think Ed's weapon is more like that
Ed has a famously bad sense of taste, too, so I'm sure the fantastic but unwieldy pata would appeal to him.
Please make a video about the Urumi, that sword is crazy.
this blade combined with full arm armor to create a traditional boxing style defense for swords would be a great fantasy weapon for a brawler
WOW, great idea
Yeah, I think that the Pata would probably work best alongside a shield, since, while it does have some serious offensive potential, it doesn't have the defensive potential that many other swords have. This could actually be a good candidate for pairing with a sturdy parrying dagger, depending on what kinds of weapons you would be facing. Come to think of it, a parrying dagger would also solve another problem with the Pata, in that a VERY close opponent (like, hugging distance) is pretty impossible to hit due to the limited range of movement. While it obviously would be better to just avoid getting so close to an opponent, having a parrying dagger that could be used in such close quarters situations (or in situations where one is taken by surprise and doesn't have their arm strapped into their Pata) could be valuable. I think.
Seeing Shad hold it out in advance guard immediately reminded me of rapier. It was also extremely common in India to just use a shield with swords.
Thesaurus Rex it sounds like a terrific idea! As far as scripted, written scenes go at least.
Quick compared to something involved like setting up an HMG. Slow compared to just grabbing a shealthed talwar or pulling out a tucked dagger.
Duel wield for coolness I say. The rule of cool applies here mate!
to be fair if you knew how to be flashy youd be able to scare off a good number of opponenets like that.
MR. J helicopter man has showed to be an effective tactic to impress your enemy in the ages outside of gunfights.
Just spin around like a beyblade and see what the enemy tries to do
In fact, the British recorded that this weapon really was commonly dual-wielded. We can still see this in Indian martial arts today
also the issue of having the weapon sheathed, depending on the shape of the gauntlet sword, you can grab the gauntlet its self to help draw it out, maybe even half sword it until your in a better position to fight with it as intended (not pretending that overcomes its drawbacks, but it is a work around)
Gauntlet Sword: *exist*
BM Optimus Prime: I’ll take you all alive!
What about as a replacement for a lost arm?
Or just damaged wrist. Good idea.
yes (grabs coffe from table) aw I stabed me table because my hands a frickin sword
Accidentally shaking hands with the wrong hand becomes hilariously brutal.
They should give one of those to Jamie Lannister.
I think it actually could be really effective if it was shorter . As a complementary blade .
You had me at sword
I'm the dungeon master for my family in DnD.
When we run campaigns I usually tell the others if they want to use a more exotic weapon they can find one online and I will do my best to apply stats to it or re-skin a preexisting weapon. My older sister picked a Pata for one of her characters. For another character she picked Chakram, another Indian weapon.
Seeing as this video is almost 2.5 years old I imagine at least one person has mentioned this. In the PlayStation 1 jrpg "The Legend of Legaia", the main character Vaan has a weapon (well kinda sort of) that evolves throughout the game. Is starts off as just a gauntlet, but eventually turns into a guantlet sword.
'How cool would it be to have a sword for an arm?'
'I'm pretty sure the idea is better than the reality...'"
- Lord Garmadon and Lloyd Garmadon, _The LEGO Ninjago Movie_
Yes, Willow gets a wonderful mention. Love that movie.
Witchblade was a show that had the gauntlet sword, iirc.
Another TV show with a gauntlet sword was an episode of 'Lost In Space', in which Guy Williams (Zorro)
Don't forget about Witchblade. Magical gauntlet sword. Comics were way wild, but the TV show was pretty tame. First introduction to gauntlet swords, for me personally
I wonder if a gauntlet sword/buckler combo would be too encumbersome (spellling?) to be wielded in battle practically? It struck me as a good idea at first, just in terms of being somewhat defensive and quite offensive at the same time. If trained and strong enough, I think that most weapons can be 'quite effective' in that hands of that battle master, so to speak. I picture this as a full arm gauntlet (chain for mobility from the shoulder to forearm likely), at which point it could be more of a mailed 'fist' on the inside where the buckler is protecting the arm area. I love the channel and this is going to help me a ton when I get back into my novel next month. Vacation coming up lads, gonna take advantage of it since I can't really go anywhere lol...
Typos ugh, my apologies...