Forgotten Realms Lore - Races of D&D
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- Episode 6 - Races of D&D
Dwarves, Gnomes, Halflings, Tieflings, Dragonborn, Orcs, Goblins, and Humans!
Discussing the origin of species, as well as some information on the human civilization the Imaskari!
I totally mispronounced Raurin Plateau, forgive me ~.~
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The more fuxking lore I learn about The Forgotten Realm the more I realize how bad it is honestly. Most of this shit is like they just went with their guts... "okay we need dinosaur so Chute... be cool if we had this, so just make up some bull to connect it even if we poorly explain and barebone"
Comparing this to the more coherent Warhammer lore, Forgotten Realm is very bad and at its best, And NO WONDER, most people just focus on Faerun since every other lore outside of the Faerun there is just an absolute cluster fuck.
Instablaster...
Halflings came from the Shaar. Hobbits came from the Shire.
Seems creative.
last i checked halflings are basically hobbits but name changed for copywriter reasons, since tolkien was a pretty big source of inspiration for d&d (among others).
Also Hobbits don't come from the Shire, it's one of their newest settlements.
Halfling were originally Hobbits, but Gygax had to change it.
I don't think it's about being creative, but more about avoiding lawsuits.
Abelhawk lol
"They were really good at breeding races into slaves"
What a weirdly specific talent lol
Weird flex but ok
I like to think that hobgoblins are just good breeders in general.
Like, if hobgoblins were less militaristic and more agrarian, they'd probably end up having the biggest cattle and the fluffiest sheep.
I mean, that could be applied to humans as well
@Kyrlics . I am talking about animals.
@Kyrlics . So you've somehow never heard of dogs?
Giant: Heh look at the shorty.
Dwarf: SHORT?!?!
And that's how the war started.
I've heard that Goblins are from the Feywild. Brownies are their cousins that stayed there without Goblin gods to follow, as part of the Winter Court.
Enjoying the videos. One thing of note though: Dragonborn are older than 4e. While it is true that they became their own race and the whole nation transplant thing is from 4e, that was a complete re-write of their lore. in 3rd edition of dnd (and maybe older, but not sure about that) you were not born a dragonborn. Dragonborn were emissaries of Bahamut to the mortal planes. If a mortal served Bahamut well, they could undergo the rite of rebirth and be reborn as a dragonborn, forsaking your original race and previous life. One gained the long life of a dragon but also became sterile; all dragonborn were thus champions of bahamut, as each had to be individually created by him. Their counterpart were the hordes of Spawn of tiamat which were some of my favourite monsters in 3rd edition. classic few but elite good vs horde of evil trope sort of stuff.
Awesome, thanks for the info!
What you're talking about there is actually a completely different race called the "Dragonborn of Bahamut", and they're not related at all to the dragonborn from Abeir.
Jim Cullen to my understanding dragonborn of bahamut were tge dragonborn until 4th edition, when abeir was introduced and dragonborn were made their own race, originating from said world.
As far as I know, they recycled the name and general concept in 4e.
archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/iw/20060105b
Also worth mentioning are the draconian from Dragonlance which are also modified humans...
You could also explain that away by saying something like: there were the Dragonborn that Bahamut made but when the dragonborn came in 4e people just called them Dragonborn because they looked like the Bahamut ones. After all, Dragonborn in FR don’t really call themselves Dragonborn, to my knowledge, they call themselves Vayemniri.
I love how subtle they were naming the Halfling homeland "The Shaar". LMFAO!
It's surprising how similar a lot of this is to other properties (Warcraft, Warhammer, etc.). I have a theory that if you went back to the inception of all these derivative fantasy worlds that were created in the wake of Tolkien, before they diverged/were differentiated over time, they're similar enough they could almost be wrangled into one singular ur-fantasy setting.
Ok so, I'm beginning the 6th episode and i want to say: Thank you, really. This series is helping me a lot as a DM and as a Lore enjoyer and that people comment some corrections is really cool too.
Great! Welcome to the rabbit hole that is dnd mythology!
The two names, Asgorath and Io, are probably a question of different places uses different names. A quick look at the FR wiki says "Io" is a name common to the Outer Planes. In other points, Bahamut is known by more than two names, besides Bahamut, there is Xymor, Marduk, and Paladine of Krynn (Dragonlance) is likely an aspect of Bahamut.
So I decided to brush up on my D&D lore since I'm running a module now, and I've been going through all the history in order you have. The Egyptian dieties asking for permission to go back up there people and kicking ass is probably the best piece of lore yet.
Just think how powerful the Imaskar must have been to take on these gods in direct combat!
I'd also like to point out that at least according to the forgotten realms wiki those people were from Earth
I love lore video series and honestly I'm loving the simplicity but conciseness you describe everything with, like I don't need exact dates, ill never remember them but I love that you explain all the events so plainly but then add exactly what is needed to each one to understand it ❤️
REally that fact that you taking time to do an in-depth lore videos, I highly appreciate these things, I look forward to learning
more, it has been many years since i went full nerd on D&D, like 2004,
Any how all the best and see you
Sweet! Great video. I think Volo's Guide to Monsters did a pretty good job of explaining orc and goblin origins -- it's a fun read. Can't wait to see your Netherese video! I love that bit of FR lore.
Too bad you did not say a thing about the so interesting kobolds, the swered enemies of the gnomes, and their god, Kurtulmak.
Who actually saved all of creation from Kronos.
Seriously did the writers of Warcraft books and lore just gleam everything from Forgotten Realms with little twists?
I habe subscribing this channel for not so long time and your thoughts are exactly mine. I am a huge fan o WarCraft and I digested every piece of lore, but now I feel like hungry for 10.000 years - as it seems that every chewed piece was merely an illusion.
That, and Warhammer Fantasy.
Alot of the concepts where also taken from the Morgainne Cycle by C.j. Cherryh
@@anthonyalexander8886 iirc, the first warcraft game was a warhammer game that got cancelled while part way through production. So, they changed the art and wrote a story and called it warcraft.
All of these stories are just borrowed from other stories. It’s the nature of things
Man, I'm a little late to this party, but you did an exceptional job on these.
Thanks!
I've been enjoying your videos on Forgotten Realms a lot, keep it up! :^)
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Loving your work on here Jorphdan. I had noticed until very recently that there was a huge gap in the market for Forgotten Realms videos on CZcams. Thank you for taking on the task of filling that gap. Fantastic work so far. I'm already a subscriber and I am definitely going to be watching all your content as it comes out.
You're welcome! I decided to make them when I couldn't find any content like it. Which is really surprising not many have tackled this before on CZcams. Other channels are popping up with more Lore so keep searching you'll find some good stuff! Thanks for the comment and enjoy the videos =)
I've noticed a lot of the art you use isn't necessarily DnD art. I've seen a bunch of MTG art in there and other stuff I recognize from various other IPs and I think that's pretty cool actually. Also, I just started in a dedicated playgroup for the first time and this is immensely helpful content for understanding the world and being better able to get into character. So thank you! Keep it up!
Mmmmmh, Dwarves...
Must... not... nerdgasm...
Khazâd! Khazâd! Barûk Khazâd! Khazâd ai-Menû!
I should probably play a human for once.
We need a Forgotten Realms movie!
They tried it once. Twice, even.
I dont trust Hollywood to do it correctly
@@RecklessInternetting Are you talking about the dnd movies?
@@MrXevier I am.
The second one was way better than the first, although both are enjoyable for the wrong reasons
@@RecklessInternetting I ve never seen them
Do they take place in the Forgotten Realms?
@@MrXevier Apparently not, I couldn't remember so I googled it. No, but the lore is close enough
I'm really enjoying the lore . I wish you had a playlist of nothing but lore .
I do... check my playlists :) the whole channel is 99% lore
@@Jorphdan fair enough great Channel I really enjoy learning The lore .
@@Jorphdan I'm really new to D&D and I hope this isn't a dome question . Do you know if there is a world or continent map of D&D ? Nothing to detailed just over all .
I love these videos :)
Well done video!
Thank you!
Your Videos really helped me. I'm going to have my first session in three days and you really helped me getting into the lore.
Hooray! Game on!!
Pre4e type Tieflings don't have a known origin, but the Infernal Tieflings certainly do, they were created by a specific ritual by the Brimstone Angel, who tied the preexisting Tieflings to Asmodeus, and this Tiefling race breeds true unlike old school Tieflings so they spread far faster then they did.
Crystal spheres and the Phlogiston are all on the Material Plane. Mortal clerics, who travel into the Phlogiston are unable to contact deities, as it is cut off from all other planes. The gods of the Mulhorandi Pantheon were unable to get to Toril directly, so they travelled through the Phlogiston on a Spelljamming ship, to "get in the back door".
Great information! I've been reading up on spelljammer lately it has some fun mechanics to it.
I never liked how duergar is so commonly pronounced "doo-ur-gar."
"Dware-gar" sounds so much better.
mdiem not really
It comes from the Old English dweorgas, later dwarrow, and in Modern English dwarf. So it's basically and old-timey name for dwarves. (Dwarves/elves is the preferred plural by Tolkien instead of dwarfs/elfs, so it stuck in D&D) I'm no linguistic, but it stands to reason duergar would be pronounced more similar to the dwar- in dwarves, and not doour-gar
I usually pronounce it dvaergar. With an “eh” sound for the vowel in the first syllable as in “meh” or “let” sound and a hard v sound and g sound. In my native language the word for dwarf is dværg. Duergar looks a lot like putting a Swedish ar plural ending on an English phonetic spelling of dværg. 🤷♂️
well done!
Still loving it keep it going
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Good. I like it jorph. My favorite part is the wizard rulers who fought against the gods lol
I'd seen this one before but I still smashed like & sub. Smash it! This guy is great! (but only smash in primes.)
end song so catchy! let it play out every time!
And then the Mulan created Thay, which is a Mage-ruled nation, that has slaves
Ironic
You can't say they have learned nothing, or can you?
Dragonborn is native to a beer? Nani? xD Nice videos, man, BTW. :)
Dragonborn were introduced in 3.5 in the Races of the Dragon book. They were originally called Dragonborn of Bahamut, and they were characters that started as other races and were reborn as Dragonborn.
Excited for Netherese, I'm running a campaign in Neverwinter setting atm.
That's great, I believe the Neverwinter Nights video games had some Netherese artifacts and cities in them.
Dragonborn is such a weird race that should never be included in the PHB.
Awesome video! What books do you gather all the info from?
I had a homebrew set on an Orc prime world native to goblinoids (orcs were goblinoids in 1E). Elves came from Fae. Dwarves & Gnomes & Kenders (haflings) from Krynn. Humans crash landed in a giant ship from the stars (pre-spell jammer).
I'm a call'em, "ga-nomes"
GI-NOMES
Can you do an Aasimar video? I really like your video’s and I need Aasimar guidance D:
the picture you used at 6:08. im sure thats mountfitchet castle, the source of my first ever traumatic experience, first year of school, first school trip, they take us to this castle to learn about medieval times, on the way in the teacher makes sure to point out the severed heads (fake as hell, but convincing enough to a 6-7 year old) adorning the outer walls... yeah... that was a thing
Wait so a wizard could just make a barrier to prevent gods from bothering them?
Wat
I don't like when they try to rethink what anchors the lore then walk it back next edition. It took me awhile to come around but I enjoyed the idea of individual gods on multiple pantheons.
I always thought the under dark itself is what made the skin of Drow, Duerger, and Deep gnomes grey. But it seems to not be the case and is all a coincidence that these under dark denizens just happen to all look very similar (grey skin, white hair, etc.)
I like to think it's pronounced closer to "Toy"fling because it resembles the German word for devil - Teufel.
I think this could be where inspiration for Tieflings came from.
I heard from a friend that their ancestors were once humans who somehow made a pact with a demon.
This pact also resulted in a curse that affected their appearance, causing them to look like devils.
However they were created, Tieflings are pretty cool IMO. They're my favourite D&D race and I'm always hoping to learn more about them.
I am afraid it is pronounced Tee-fling as according to wizards of the coast.
Its not toyfling
So uh I just decided to learn about dnd(specifically the lore) and oh by is this my favorite topic. Im most interested in races when it comes to fantasy games/shows like this
That's great. Welcome to the hobby :D
The story of the humans’ origin reminds me of the extraterrestrial humans from the movie Stargate.
Hmm, I wonder if Daniel Jackson was a DnD nerd...
i hear a cat 3:52 Also there is a lot more on tieflings is the sword coast adventures guide and in the brimstone angels book series
You should do a video on aarichachra and kinku
This seems to be the most accurate rendition of Tieflings from the forgotten realms wiki
In 1358 DR, a warlock coven known as the Toril thirteen performed a ritual that cursed most tiefling lineages-those of demons, devils, hags, and rakshasas, among others-with the "blood of Asmodeus", changing their original lineage with that of the archdevil himself. This was done to make Asmodeus a "racial god", ensuring him enough followers to attain godly powers.
- Erin M. Evans (October 4th, 2016). The Devil You Know. (Wizards of the Coast), pp. 262-264. ISBN 978-0786965946.
When I revamp the universe, we will have Goblins, Orcs, Gnomes, Elves, Drows, Dwarfs, Trolls and various others with enough variation to reflect not just Forgotten Realms but also Warcraft and Elder Scrolls. The origin of these races are different. All of the humanoid races are related to humans are descended from the same ancestors prior to humans millions of years ago. Not all elves are related to each other in the same sense that all elves have the same elf progenitors. The Mer Elves are much closer related to humans while the Tel Elves are distantly related but still hominids, while the Dorei Elves of Warcraft are somewhere in the middle but are much closer related to the same Trolls found in the same medium.
I love how he opens the DMG to a random irrelevant page.
On the subject of dragonborn there was a template for them in 3.5 but they were very different from the 4e and 5e. You went through a ritual of rebirth and lost your original racial abilities and bonuses after they hatch from an egg. These dragonborn were devoted to Bahamut and his cause and we're viewed by the god himself as his children.
Something that doesn’t add up with azgorath being Io , was that she was the entity that threw a frozen moon at abier toril when the batrachi released the primordials
I do not have any citation, but I believe Io was a physical aspect of Asgoroth much like the Dark Lady was a physical aspect of Tiamat.
Didn't humans come from Earth, back when Earth and Toril were connected by some link? So you could pass between Toril and Earth, which is why the cultures on Toril mimic that of Earth (Faerun mimics Europe and is inspired by European cultures, Kara-Tur mimics Asia and has many Asian cultures, mainly Japanese, etc.) Then the tie between the worlds were severed, leaving humans on Toril, thus making Toril a *Forgotten Realm* to Earth and Earth a forgotten realm to Toril, and thats also why we have mythologies, the mythological beasts and creatures were from Toril.
+MakinMcMakin maybe there's a bit of history I've missed but humans were part of the Creator races so they've been on Abeir-Toril since the beginning. But I know portals were opened up and human slaves brought with them. Maybe some did come from earth.
Ah, thats alright. The effort you put into these videos is incredible, and I appreciate you spreading D&D's lore, and even the game itself, to newcomers. Keep up the amazing work :D
Thanks!
Well, that has always been the hint; that the slaves brought over to Toril by the Imaskari came from the early nations of another "sphere" and had the gods of the Egyptian and Sumerian /Akkadian Pantheons. So basically bronze-age Mesopotamia and Egypt. The Mulan became a general term for the ethnic group that comprised the Untherites (mesopotamians) and the Mulhorandi (egyptians). Most likely because the Molhorandi were said to have been more numerous and their pantheon came out more unscathed from the conflict with the imaskari.
So yeah, the Mulan are essentially descendants of terran humans, or extremely heavily hinted out to be.
Dragonborn have like... multiple histories...similar to dragons. I appreciate showing the variance.
Thanks for this great tldr of the forgotten realms lore buddy. Looking forward to your next episode to help me understand where we are today. Question though , in the Feywild why did the elves even want to leave? I mean , it seams pretty fucking shity in the mortal plain with all the gods, primordial's , dragons and giants fighting over it. Just seams alot better in the feywild. Overpopulation maybe?
In -27000 DR the Fey opened up portals that allowed Green Elves to migrate to Toril, it's unclear why the green elves came. Perhaps just to explore. But I think the feywild (or AD&D Realm of Faerie) wasn't a terribly safe place either.
Later in -25400 DR the Gold elves came to Toril fleeing the destruction of their kingdom Tintageer. It was magically being flooded and only about 50 elves made it through a portal to start a new life on Toril.
forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Tintageer
The god called Maglubiyet is mentioned in 5e handbook for hobgoblins, as well as the plane Acheron, but no origin seems to be mentioned! Odd, wonder if it's a dm tool for low level adventures.
So did the Dwarves decimate the Giants or did they destroy more than 1/10th of the population?
Just being a troll, but words have meaning dammit!
Imagine if 1/10th the worlds population died in war. That's decimation at its finest
Alex Porter I would say destroying more 9/10th of the population would be decimation but not 1/10. That would just be really bad and unfortunate.
And language evolves over time.
You forgot to mention that the slaves Mulan are descended from are from Earth. Not Oerth or anything like that but actual Earth like the place we live
Gnomes, always taking toilet breaks! 😞 Don’t they know that attracts land sharks?
Orc are one of many Goblinoid races. The Orc gated in, likely brought their slaves with them.
Dragonborn are in 3.5. Its in the Races Of Dragon book and in the draconomicon briefly
I swear you pronounce everything different than i would
I am loving these videos because I just got in DnD myself, but one thing I’d like to note, from something I’ve read, is that your right about tieflings being plane-touched, but if your grandpa is a full demon, that means you’re not a tiefling. They are humans who long ago were given power by demons and devils. The horns and other features were given rather than inherited. Half fiends are different. I could definitely be wrong but I wanted to share that.
Thanks for sharing, definitely worth noting!
This is probably wrong, but I thought that when a succubus/incubbus had a child with a human, it created a cambion. Then, if a human had a child with a cambion, it created a tiefling
no looming giant or dragon threats anymore - storm kings thunder
9:51 Wasn't the swampland in Witcher called Velen?
They should have added tieflings to baulders gate
Im not sure but I think I read somewere that Goblinoids came from the Feywild
Goblin ruled before man Keith explain that yesterday
In Eberron!
The idea that Yondalla/Chauntea bred Halflings out of humans sounds a lot like what is said about Hobbits in Tolkien - that they are likely a sub-class of Men. If you know anything about D&D Halflings, you may be aware that way back in the very first version of D&D, they used to be "Hobbits", but Tolkien challenged that and forced D&D to change the name as "Hobbit" is copyrighted.
But then Tolkien is the grandfather of D&D, as the most basic races can be seen as equivalents of LotR races.
How did all those tiny dwarves kill so many giants damn
A couple notes. (1) Tieflings descend from a devil, most commonly Asmodeus. I suppose it's theoretically possible to establish a humanoid line from demons, but this is extremely unlikely because of the extreme chaotic evil nature of demons. They just kill and destroy without purpose and don't really procreate sexually, although I bet they have the capacity to do so. (2) Asgorath and Io are considered different aspects of the same deity. It is not uncommon for real-world deities to have multiple names as well, such as Pallas Athena. Gods also commonly have nicknames like Odin the One-eyed Wanderer.
Vibe check
You say a lot about elven races, human races, etc., but what about HORSE RACES?
7:31 isnt that Raistlin Majere? but he`s from a completely separate world
Umm, Gandalf has many many names to all, so why would it make no sense that anyone or anything else did?
imagined that the dragonborn were descendants of those who performed the bahamut ritual in version 3.5
Huh. I always envisioned Gruumsh as a cyclops.
I'm sorry but you need to acknowledge the master of past and present when you use his image.
For goblins look at hobgoblins
"Mark another grudge!" Oh wait, wrong fandom.
I'm not sure about the Dragonborn being created by Bahamut bit, I seem to recall reading that there are a few myths behind how they are created (the reasons why vary) and the only piece that lines up between all of them is that they are created by (or from) Io, before (or during) the split. This seems small but it's key because it explains why their colours are not representative of their moral alignment in the way they are for chromatic/metallic dragon lineages.
I think the the Goblinoids creation being obscure might be somewhat purposeful, due to both the pantheons of Hobgoblins and Goblins being almost wiped out completely by Maglubiyet "so long ago they do not remember the names of the fallen [gods]". I doubt any of their creator deities were left standing and they certainly lost much of their history.
Though I think it's fair to say that Goblins likely came from Hobgoblin selective breeding, Bugbears similarly might represent a more basal form of the Goblinoids but there is nothing but conjecture to go on.
Interesting listen btw. If I could suggest without offending, a little bit of (light/quiet) background music under your voice could make these videos a little smoother to listen to (just my opinion though, I tend to listen minimised while browsing and just tab in if the speaker is talking about an image specifically, so I miss any visual ques that smooth transitions.)
Thanks and no offense at all, I welcome suggestions. I've thought about it but haven't had time to find the right royalty free music. If you have suggestions send them my way :)
Fair enough, there are a fair few things by Kevin Macleod (incompetech.com/wordpress/)
Things like the "Gregorian Chant" he has, or some of his lute or fantasy pieces can make for a calm backdrop depending on what kind of atmosphere you're trying to set. It's worth taking a look at if you haven't already. =)
Oh shit... Gnomes are Steven Universe :/
I'm surprisingly ok with that idk about you
Greg "Murdercock" Universe is the father of Gnomes?
@@wjefoiafjalfkjadfjk7045 ..........I'm terrified and confused
Will you be covering the other races in 5e?
+Metalmine I hopefully will. Might wait for xanathar's guide to everything first
I mean this in no negative way, but are you dyslexic by chance?
I ask based off of watching the Forgotten Realms playlist and notice how often you pronounce and say things... strangely? And I am just curious by nature.
Jorpaden is cool
the dragonborne came from Krynn. I doubt it but wouldn't that be cool?
Psh, here's what actually happened. All the races were created, then some jackass wizard discovered the Dire gene and started creating dire versions of all of them.
Hobbits became Humans.
Gnomes became Elves
Goblins became Orcs
Kobolds became Dragonborn
Kenku became Aarakocra
Dwarves were forgotten about, or maybe became goliaths.
Ayy tieflings
In my D&D world the hobgoblins made the goblins as an experiment then the hobgoblins made the bugbears
Forgotten Realms seems like the most fleshed out lore of any fantasy Universe
Daaaamn this video got a ton of views!
I wonder why you don't mention the untheric pantheon though......
wait aren’t dragonborn the humanoid servants of Bahamut that he ritualistically transforms? I’m pretty sure he can do it at any time.
aiden knapp in the neverwinter game, dragonborn tell you they were created by tiamat as slaves and then freed by bahamut
Aren't crystal spheres physical crystal spheres that surround solar systems.
Yes! and you need special spells to open gateways between them.