Bottas Jump Start Analysis & What Everyone Missed: Formula 1 Onboard Breakdown
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WHAT EVERYONE MISSED: 5:15
Brilliant video. Absolutely great
I don't think Bottas deserved a penalty because of the precedents, and because he clearly didn't gain an unfair advantage (unlike he previous jump start).
Either way, great video. As a life-long F1 fan, and at the risk of coming across as condescending, it's really good to see someone from across the pond who loves F1 as much as you do. It's no secret that F1 is, and has always been, more of a European thing. I'd be interested to watch a video where you explain how you got into F1. What you love about it and what you don't care for too much (let's be honest, we all have or criticisms of the sport). It's kind of hard to explain to people what it's like for us Europeans/Brits who grew up hearing their parents discuss/reminisce drivers like Jackie Stewart and how tragic the death of Cevert was. The week after Ayrton Senna and Ronald Ratzenberger died, these crashes were extensively discussed at school, during classes. Keep in mind that I'm from the same generation as Hamilton and Vettel. That's how big F1 was for me growing up. I probably didn't even know that something called NASCAR existed.
Your analysis of why there are fewer American drivers kind of points at the difference in racing traditions/cultures already, which definitely is part of the reason why F1, by and large, isn't as popular in the US. However, I'd really be keen to get a more in depth perspective, your analysis based on what kind of feedback you get talking to people in the US, what you think F1, and perhaps European series in general, could learn from NASCAR and vice-versa. Why is it that NASCAR just doesn't work outside the US? When Juan Pablo Montoya, and Jaques Villeneuve made the swtich from F1 to NASCAR, I found out there's a bit more to NASCAR than a bunch of hicks driving around an oval (I was surprised to learn that not all tracks were ovals in fact). It would appear that both sports have an image problem, and are doing a rather poor job at converting "the other side". Is it that fans of NASCAR don't understand that F1 is really a constructors championship, with a driver title as a secondary thing? Is it because NASCAR's apparent lack of technology, and its rough and ready racing style just comes across as gladiatorial and imprecise (F1 crash contact is very likely to compromise your own car, vs "trading paint" in NASCAR)? Is it because F1, to me at least, seems to prioritise driver safety a lot more than NASCAR does (despite the fact that F1 races in the wet, and NASCAR doesn't)?
TL;DR: Interested to get your thoughts on any or all of the above
This is going to come back and bite the FIA on the bum. There will be more and more jump starts within the tolerance until they actually have to change the rules. This is just rediculous. Other sports don't need a tolerance, why does F1.
@@grannieannie1371 other sports do have a tolerance, though. The WRC rules state that "the jump start photocell should be 40cm after the start line". There's always a slight inaccuracy in measurement, exactly where the cars are lined up on the grid, etc... Rolling starts are different, but when starting from stationary, there's always a tolerance.
@@rolmops883 I guess I was thinking of swimming and running where a jump start of any amount is dsq.
You’ve taken the editing to another level bro wow
My teeth hurt from perpetual clenching on this edit marathon haha tested a few things, eager to hear feedback. Plus have to get creative or CZcams/ f1 will SMOKE me haha
CrankyYankeeF1 I can only imagine. But we really appreciate the time and effort that goes into your videos 💪🏾🔥
@@CYMotorsport hahah awesome graphics mate. I love your videos... and they're getting even better with each video. Keep it up mate! Good job! Great vids!
@@CYMotorsport Idk if you'll see this, but I always think I'll skip through with the arrow keys to the important parts; then I end up watching it through the whole way. Very engaging and uniquely done.
I think you got the concept of tolerance wrong? I think FIA was referring to a distance tolerance, and you are talking about a time tolerance.
The car probably didn’t move enough distance for the sensor to trigger.
No, the ENTIRE idea of tolerance is wrong. If you move, you've jumped. There shouldn't be an arbitrary "tolerance" that nobody knows what it is. Dumb
@@flexygoo1295 If its the same for everyone I dont see the problem...
@@egj1975
By that logic it's totally cool if you're allowed to knock others off the track. As long as it's the same rules for everyone, right? False start is a false start. If it were any other series, it would go without saying. But F1 is....special.
@@flexygoo1295 The tolerance is there because the car moves quite a lot before the start, be it by driver imput, or the driver himself moving, or whatnot. The tolerance is there so that those movements don't cause a jump start.
@@erjonsejdijaj7868 I normally never write comments on youtube and I have to apologize in advance, but this is the most stupid sentence I've ever read anywhere in the last month.
Btw what Bottas is doing with his left hand is releasing the clutch, pressing it again after the jump start and re-releasing it again after lights out.
There is a button and a dial on the steering wheel to adjust the clutch but it's actual operation is done in 2 stages using paddles behind the steering wheel.
To launch most drivers pull the left paddle right to to the wheel and the right one about halfway.
Yes !! that is actually him releasing the clutch, not "Widget A"
Actually this is not true anymore. Since 2016 the clutch has been controlled by one single paddle.
@@filipecardozo tbh idk i am sure you're right but that doesn't change the fact that what he releases there is the clutch
@Richard Porter I'm pretty sure I heard somewhere reliable that different drivers use slightly different clutch paddle configurations these days so you're probably both correct
Musculus IV both Merc and RP drivers use double clutch paddles. There’s footage of all four drivers this year using double clutch paddles (one on either side)
5:01 Actually if you look very very closely to the bottom of the screen of the steering wheel, there is a white square that appears. We barely see on your video, but if you look on the official onboard on F1 youtube channel, we do see it. The reflection doesnt help, but we do see a square pop up. I think that the three light shows the optimal rev. We can see those three light fade away lightly. It takes a good second to go completely off, so I don't believe he was talking about those lights.
My position is, Valtteri was deviating of the optimal rev, so much that the three light fade away, and a sensor in the car showed a white square ont he bottom of the steering wheel telling him he wasnt anymore, and he reacted to that instead. We can see a split second between Bottas reaction and that white square, being a more convinient reaction time for a f1 driver.
just wait like 25 seconds mate haha that's one of the main things I tackle :)
@@CYMotorsport Watched the video again, and you missed what he's talking about. A white bar appears on his screen, at 5:02/5:03. Clearly the shift lights are going to be related to the clutch that he's holding with his left hand. The random white bar flashing on his screen is almost certainly the light in question, as Alexander was saying, and it precludes the car launching (at least by ear).
To extrapolate further, because I was pondering it again and wanted to triple check that we were not accusing you of not stating something that you had, I believe you are referring in the video to where the grey stitching/pad on his glove becomes visible. That is NOT what Alexander and I are referring to, and as it DOES appear as though there is a visual change on what's being displayed on his wheel (other than the shift lights that Bottas would have been expecting anyway), the video comes off as overly harsh on the guy, especially since all involved were satisfied with the official response and explanation.
@@CYMotorsport I feel like you assume too much on the stearing wheel analysis, not the explanation I expect judging by the effort you put in. you act like its a curtain on what bottas in mind at the moment yet it probably far from the truth. its basically a made up theory. you said it yourself youre not steering wheel expert yet you act like one and present it like a conspiracy videos. this video basically just a baseless accusation. its doesnt even matter whether bottas lied or not, if he indeed lied the fia could just expose him, show the data and yet that doesnt happen, insteed they said it within the sensor tolerance, thats it, why bother making this video esspecially when this a quite frequent event. and dont even started on your assumption on the season going forward, on an event that lasted less then a second on one race start. unbeliveble
Clearly James pressed a button to make it flash, couldn't allow a repeat of Austria with Bottas winning
You're *Dutch.* Of course you had to come up with the most absurd conspiracy theory. 😂 🤣
Of course it is all part of the Great James Master Plan™
Lol James (the other 1) just said on Merc CZcams channel that he accidentally reacted to the dashes...which is what Bottas uses in practice starts, so he just screwed up really but within limits.
Wut? 😁
Love the editing in this, moving from your video to Masi. It was so smooth and looked great. Another great video, Cranky!
Got a lot of feedback on cuts and trying to work them in. 4k Multicam is shredding my software and testing my patience but I'm grateful for the input. Let's keep improving! thanks for the feedback and support Rob
I always feels like there's so much of F1 that drivers never fully talk about. Like they race each other for years & know a lot about each others tricks/styles etc but you never hear it e.g. Even from Nico Rosbergs videos he's very defensive on details, like the Dannny Ric podcast where they cut out a huge section on setups. Deffo think Vettell is on to something, he even highlighted the jump start last week. Great vid btw clearly lots of effort put in, love your stuff!
This. Very very very true. So many things like this. Radio rules are the ones that drive me the most insane haha
All the time when they're asked questions, it seems like they're thinking about it more than how they respond, a perfect example is the vettle clip in this video.
Vettel should know: he got away with a jump-start in the Japanese GP himself.
But what's getting more and more obvious is that the FIA more often plays fast and loose with the rules: they are tolerant when it suits them and very strict when THAT suits them. It also matters to the FIA which driver from which team is involved.
Aye!... LH uses both hands to cover that section of the steering wheel during light outs.... I used to wonder what he is covering .... now we know a bit .... not all tho ...
B.C. Iykx lol that always stands out, I think he changed his preference after a few shaky starts last year, seems to work for him. Merc says Bottas practises his starts using his steering wheel dashes so he reacted to that accidentally (from their CZcams channel).
The graphics are top notch CrankyYank! Watching you for a while now and evry Vid gets better and better! Thank you for providing us with great F1 content!
Your videos never cease to amaze me. Brilliant analysis and thoroughly researched as always.
glad you enjoy it partner - the twitter chats always find their way into content one way or another so thankful for that haha
CrankyYankeeF1 I love how you analysed everything frame by frame and actually proved that it was down to Bottas and not just a malfunction. And with the nice, clear graphics as well. Too good 👏.
Amazing editing, too
As always, great video, well scripted and edited. Few people know how many hours it takes to make these videos. In the end, posting and seeing those likes and subscribers make your day.
F1 these days: as Ron Dennis would have said in his famous ronspeak, "we don't foresee enough elements to confirm we have a level playing field".
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thanks Isaac I wanna go back and forth from onboard to history to stats to longform again and give you variety. In season it's a LOT easier so expect more!
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THANK YOU SOOO MUCH!!!
You are the ONLY person to have actually cleared this up to a point where it is understandable, AND, you can see that there is some 'fiddling' going on prior to the race starting!! KEEN eyes Cranky!! LOVE YOUR WORK!!!
Glad you enjoy it my friend!
damn bro, you were on point with the left hand/finger analysis. I look forward to continue to learn a lot more about racing via your channel. good stuff Fam!!!
Absolutely spot on analysts on this subject, as well as, others in the past. Great work!!! Waiting for more...
On it! Thanks for the support Zenas
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Top notch work!! Really insightful.
You gotta respect someone confident enough to claim not to be an expert and suggests input.
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Just something to consider: in my completely normal car I find the friction point of the clutch before setting off. Could it be that he was getting the clutch to slip while holding the brakes? Mercedes (not exactly a impartial party) confirmed Bottas's story. In any case, his start was so terrible that I just can't be mad at it not causing a penalty.
The clutch in a f1 car is only used when setting off, therefore it s really small and lightweight (compared to a normal car), because of this you don t get any feedback whatsoever, you can t feel it bite.
There’s no bite u just hold it in and release as soon as the lights go out
@@elliottgould5114 That's not true at all. If that was the case, every start from every driver would be exactly the same given they kept the engine at its ideal revs, and that's not what we see in races.
In fact there are rules that disallow teams to artificially modulate the clutch to cover up driver errors. The clutch response must be within a very small time frame from driver operation of the clutch pad cause if they could, the teams would release the clutch at a very specific rate via software to get the best start possible.
I like this style of “watching a video inside a video” when you show us Masi‘s excuses better than the cockpit style in F1 Wars and onboards to be honest. This feels much more clean and less gimmicky, I love the vid by the way!
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Great content sir! Thank you as always.
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Love your video and so happy to see an American into the sport and how this is promoting the sport in America!
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Im liking the pans on the camera angles! Makes the whole video feel even more dynamic
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Excellent thorough break down of this event. Presented much clearer and with great detail than the FIA ever does for fans.
Love your videos!
You make very valid, very bold, very challenging statements. I agree 100%. There should be no tolerance, it does create a precedence, and Bottas did move his finger, we can see that in the frame by frame. I wonder what that button is, although I'm willing to bet its not there anymore since you discovered it. Great find. *walks over and pics the mic up for you and softly places it back in the stand*
So Karun Chandok is basically saying that the sky pad is running on 40HZ?
Love your VLOGS. Wonderful and thorough research. My question is, why was the radio instruction on the preformation lap to Verstapen to go to the GRID not illegal
Gonna be great watching this, your videos never disappoint 👌
Also, what are your thoughts on the Nurburgring rumored to join the 2020 calendar?
I won't be able to contain myself haha
CrankyYankeeF1 haha I wouldn’t either, this season is really interesting
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6:00 we don't know but Vettel did get on the radio during the race to say Bottas jumped the start.
yes he did talk on the radio saying that he jumpstarted
Stellar work as always from a fellow yank!
David Cooper good time have you David! Hometown support always appreciated in this grinder of a sport
The first one Bottas did a few years ago, they said it was fine to move before lights went out because of two reasons: The lights don't actually signal the start of the race, they signal that the race started about 0.003 of a second ago, the other reason was he didn't trigger the sensor. I don't remember who said it, maybe Whiting, they have no problem with drivers trying to anticipate the lights.
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CrankyYankeeF1 HE REPLYS?!
I do my best! Hard to keep up with but I can’t stand when people don’t even try to show people their comments matter. They do tremendously
I'm pretty sure what he's holding with his left hand is the hand clutch. The three lights are rev indicators. So when he begins to release the clutch with his left hand the revs drop slightly because he is in second gear and that's why the lights went out
Great editing
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2 questions where did you get the Rich Energy drink ,did you try it? Is that a Gulf racing sign or a book ?
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Thanks for the detailed review of the facts! Objective!
I do my absolute best to be!
Well, here's fhe thing. Jump starts of course happen. Most of the time the drivers actually react, stop and sacrifice their start consequencially. That is a pretty bad punishment in of itself. So that tollerance is actually a real blessing, because we have an area for once, that is actually not over regulated at the green table.
As a Videographer myself I'm really loving the editing style and multi cam setup you have going on. PS You can add a Handheld effect in post to give the second cam a more natural look. As always great analysis
Don't do that please.
Great video as always, I think I remember Vettel asking the team on the radio about Botas outright but maybe I am misremembering.
He def did straight away in Austria 2017. I think masi meant a formal challenge after
They have two clutches just below the paddle shifters. The one on the right is pressed fully and the one on the left is pressed at around 50%. The one on the left is released first, followed by one on the right for the next gear. I really thought the engine would have been stalled, but it didn't happen.
It should have been considered a jump start but, yeah! he lost some 5 positions at turn 1 and also the tolerance transponder didn't light up as mentioned by FIA. For Sebastian's case in Japan'19, he did loose only a single position at turn 1. I guess it seems to work out if we take the positions lost into consideration.
Now imagine if you’re NOT a level headed person like yourself. I can’t vouch for everyone at the FIA. Do you trust them to make this call care by case? I sure as hell don’t haha
Great video C Y!!
glad you enjoyed Yusuf! I'll keep switching it up from onboard back to history for ya
@@CYMotorsport keep doing what you do CY just keep it honest and unbiased.
Best f1 analysis and history videos I love being a fan of your channel man, keep it up!
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First of all: Great video once again! I like your deeper looks into to just technicalities but also into the teams and drivers themselves. Now on to the actual comment :)
From what I’ve heard, is that tolerance is to allow drivers to find the biting point of the clutch, (which might cause very minor movement) and nobody nows what this tolerance is. Not even the teams. This is to stop teams from using this tolerance to their advantage.
Personally I don’t see a bit problem with the system currently in place.
In 2017 Valtteri technically didn’t jump the start, because he moved after lights out. (We all know he just guessed the moment, but that doesn’t matter.)
And in both 2019 and this time around Seb and Valtteri royally screwed over their own stats because they had to stop and then go again. So they didn’t get anything out of it.
If they hadn’t stopped again, 10 second stop-go penalty all day long. (Like Kimi last year(?)).
But like Matty (WTF1) said in his video, if absolutely no movement was allowed before the start, haft the grid would end up with penalties before turn 1.
That’s the slippery slope. I’d have to check the footage I have no evidence Of half the grid moving but I certainly don’t doubt Stuart. But I’m okay with half the grid getting penalties. It’s precisely joe track and field evolved into what it is now which is peak precision . As a former division one runner who was disqualified from a 100 meter conference championship dash haha I can say I respect the firm policy on no movement
CrankyYankeeF1 That’s a fair opinion.
Btw, It was the guys from WTF1 who made that video just a few days ago, not Stuart. I mixed them up. My bad.
As a former Track and Field competitor myself as well, I certainly do see a point in your train of thought.
If I remember correctly, it was said by finnish experts Ossi Oikarinen (former f1 engineer for toyota, ferrari and a few others) and possibly Mika Salo (is drivers steward sometimes) that the tolerance was there because the cars vibrate so much they can trigger the sensor when they are waiting for the lights to go out. Don't know if that is the case but apparently it was during the v10 era when they were still active in f1.
random but your voice in the story vids is awesome
I’m a lot closer to the mic. Problem with having very good audio is when I do anything face to cam I can’t use my main mic properly. Then people REALLY notice and get mad. Blessing and a curse haha
@@CYMotorsport yeah that makes sense, dw there's nothing wrong with the audio in vids like these imo, s'all good, i just wanted to say how well the story vids are done.
I never take input personally you just want the best. For shits and giggles go listen to my older F1 wars haha holy hell. So yeah I take feedback VERY serious and the proof is pretty obvious of the improvements all thanks to you guys. The more brutal the better
They could determine a jump start with a couple of other sensors called eyes.
Sometimes eyes can decive you.
@@johncenashi5117 and sometimes sensors can fail, eyes are more reliable
Aventurado haha “eyes are more reliable.” Yeah whatever you say mate. All I know is if a transponder and sensors with a defined tolerance is used, it’s completely fair. There is no human judgement.
If your superior eyes are used I’d like to see you justify each decision on when it’s a jump start and when it’s too close too call. Plus you’d spend the first 5 minutes as a steward watching replays of every car on the grid at lights out.
Frankly, if the jump start is enough to give the driver an advantage, it will be picked up by the sensors and the transponder. If it’s minimal and actually loses the driver time and positions, then why have a penalty if it’s so small that it’s within the tolerance?
@@saoirse4976 are u serious?
@@emilchandran546 sensors are not 100% accurate. Ive watched hockey games where the net goal light didnt do off but looking at the replay its clear the pucked crossed the line. Are we supposed to ignore what our eyes are seeing, simply shrug our shoulders and say ,"well the sensors didnt go off so no goal" its called common sense. Sensors should be used as a guide not the be all and end all.
IS your video flipped? COTA and Nurburg seem to run in the wrong direction. ALso whose helmet is next to COTA?
Finally somebody who dares to speak up against this decision. Jump start or no shouldn't be determined ONLY determined by a sensor with a unkown tolerance. He clearly moved prior to the start signal. That's a jump start.
This video was more entertaining than last weeks race
I'm just wondering - is his jump start correlated to him releasing brakes or clutch in that situation?
I think the there's good reason for a tolerance tbh. If it was so precise it caught even minimal movement than there could be some jump starts caught where the driver didn't do anything.
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god how I missed these videos
I used to make SOOO much more they just smoked me last year hahah. I’m going to use my second channel for this I have like 200 subs so shhhhh for now haha I’ll start soon enough. It’ll be fucking rapid fire
I have to admit when Im looking at the stills if the wheel, his hand doesn't look different... I'm not sure if you confused the zoomed in pic while he was still squeezing the left handle but the finger and hand position looks exactly the same when the lights are on and off if you didn't put the wrong pics in there
I mean it’s def different I can actually count the pixels in post which is what I did. Put the video on mute and drag the play head a bit quicker you’ll see it. But if not you’re always entitled to your own thinking - that’s good!
the team that reported it was ferrari, during the race vettel said over the radio "bottas jumped the start" and his engineer replied "we have reported it" so if there was only one team who reported it then we know who it was just by the radio message
I’ve never heard that second radio . I mean it was obviously Ferrari and of all people Vettel can’t say shit haha it’s max who would have benefitted frkm his penalty but I’m sure it was ferrari
@@CYMotorsport it was early in the race (it was on the broadcast within the first idk 10 laps) and knowing how late the radio messages on the broadcasts can be it was probably a first or second lap radio message and since the ferrari's got good starts it may have benefited them in the short term to report it
To be honest I agree with Karuns explanations more than yours
Eyyyyy waddup cranky! Great to put a face to the name 👍🏽
Cheers Stringer always cool connecting. See you soon mate eyes peeled for the next one
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Dude yes. 11/10 for the quality of these videos. Love em!
It screwed up Perez's start too, as someone jump-starting in the next grid-square is apt to do.
Jolyon Palmer said some insightful things about sensor tolerance, if you have'nt come across it yet.
Yank, the production quality of your videos is really fucking good. Really, really good. Amazing, actually.
Palmer usually keeps it real so I’ll have to check it out! Thanks for the feedback as always mate
Obviously whatever it is it appears VB was slipping the clustch a little early to get the bite point. Perhaps the 3 red lights on his dash relate to the position or temperature of the clutch which is why he had to release when he did to avoid bogging down on the start, that said.. tolerance or no tolerance its a jump start.
Are those Shure SE215s? If so, you're wearing 'em the wrong way around! The cable should go up over your ear and it sits in your conch comfortably, with a better seal in the ear canal 😊
Wasn't Vettel saying he didnt believe the reaction was 0.2 secs was because it was actually faster than that, didnt Bottas get of the line at almost the exact same time as the lights went out in that case. Which meant he was jumping but got lucky, not reacting to lights out
He was joking he was laughing in the interview. He had to say that think about the situation haha also he would wind up doing this 2 years later haha
If the lights that went out is his own fault or not is completly irrelevant.
danillo Gonçalves i totally agree
real fans know f1 :))))) great video dude
glad you enjoyed!
I personally don't think he should have gotten away scott free , I think he was trying to time the lights just right and failed just like you said. If it sets a trend you'll have half the grid trying to time the lights and cause chaos.
Your helmet collection is badass and that hat is cool as hell.
irritates the shit out of me this tolerance rule. and thanks ! I'm trying to get diecast to hook it up with a referral link so I can send you guys the ones I really like. they are incredible
@@CYMotorsport i definitely agree the tolerance game leaves to much wiggle room with guys looking for ever possible thing that could help gain time or position. I think a tires width would do your tire comes outside the grid marker thats a false start.
@@CYMotorsport ill be all over that link lol
The lights are a rev limiter for getting a good launch without spinning the tires. They used the same the Formula Renault/Formula V8 series. I think the driver has to set it to a particular rpm or they have presets that correspond to particular rpms.
It’s apart of their set up they’ve had it for a while but the clutch rules are new. Lewis’s onboard is so intense now at the starts haha
So complex. Why isn't it "if your car moves forward before the lights are out, that is a jump start?" I mean damn. It's clearly visible that he was moving before the lights were out. Why is this even a discussion 😂 F1 is the CEO of overcomplicating simple things.
He was finding the bite point of the clutch that resulted in the revs dropping and that is what caused the lights to go out and he just reacted to that