The 4th Doctor in his first episode "You may be a doctor but I'm "THE Doctor", the definite article you might say". I thought this reference was pretty obvious, in a show where the main character has gone by "The Doctor" for the last 60 years. This was also a couple episodes after Alpha Centauris second appearance and the Sontarans introduction too.
Thanks for the reminder. I always associate that line with the 1st Doctor when he comes back in The Three Doctors. When Jo asks who he is, doesn't he say "I'm THE Doctor, the definite article". Now I have to go watch that again to check - maybe he said "the original" and I'm getting things mixed up.
@@richardmaloneriki1811Interview with Jamie Cho, Mayfair Times, Nov 17, 2023: “I’ve been extremely lucky to work in the film and TV industry. I’ve had fantastic experiences with the other creatives I’ve worked with. It can be a challenge as roles for south east Asian actors, especially males, are very limited. However, hopefully more south east Asian writers and directors can break through. I hope I can be a part of this movement, as I’ve recently written my first feature film screenplay, which I want to direct. There are not enough British Chinese stories breaking through and there are so many stories yet to tell.” I would assume he’s British Korean, based on the surname. Not sure why his character is named Colonel Chan, then.
About the Meep pronounce scene. The joke is not "The docter is a bigot" it's "The Docter is practically alsways referred to with the definat artical, like the Meep". Thats why I honestly find the joke funny.
@@fastertrackcreative It didnt drag the plot down it had a purpose. It was to have a bonding moment with the Meep and have them apperir more understandable and cute which was to add surprises whenever the plot twist was revealed. Just because something isnt directly progressing the plot doesnt mean its dragging anything down or is usless to the story.
@@xsm5525 There's literally no functional distinction. Calling something "woke" is just saying the same thing without using the actual words to make themselves feel superior.
I love how Bowlestrek has to reinforce that Tennant look like he doesn't wanna be there, (no matter how untrue it is) because Tennant is not only a white man playing the Doctor so surely can't be a bad actor or the problem, and because Tennant is the golden boy of the fan base and Bowlestrek doesn't want to criticise a Doctor let's be honest he probably likes
"Tennant clearly looks like he doesn't wanna be there" Tennant litherally looking like the happyest person on earth because he entered the Tardis once again:
As a disabled Whovian with cerebral palsy, who came back to talking about the show myself I have to say that I was completely naïve to how bad some of this stuff has gotten because of what I’ve had to deal with in my own comments section! Thank you for being an an ally and bringing attention to all of this!
Nerdrotic, etc. are bottom feeders. They're hubs of white supremacy, ableist, sexist... every ist you can name. An actor can't just be in a wheelchair (because no one uses mobility aids in real life?), it's "woke garbage."
@@Jiub_SNI always want to be sure that representation is meaningful for fellow Autistic people and for the Trans community, all too often what we get are stereotypes or full on erasure, so it is a fair point to say we need to be mindful of what we're being used for - Keep fighting the good fight!
@@Jiub_SN I just want to elaborate. There is a right way and a wrong way to represent the disabled. More often than not, it's the wrong way (because people are too damn ignorant) Now I haven't watched the recent episodes of "Doctor Who" to know what what's going on here (Mainly because I live in America and The new episodes haven't made it to Max yet. That and I heard not so great things about the Jodi Whitaker era of "Doctor Who" so it makes me a little anxious about RTD/Tennant round 2)
You can just tell how miserable their lives are, or how miserable they feel about themselves. I've always been convinced that these kind of people can't even begin to comprehend that the world is much bigger than their little bubble of existence. It's so sad. Anyway. I love you for making this video, thank you 🤍🤍🤍
Remember the Pertwee episode (Curse Of Peladon) when The Doctor and Jo Grant are talking about Alpha Centauri, being both neither male or female? Those right wing Trans-Patrol types would retroactively label that "woke"...........
That's the problem with distorted narratives. Despite the era's shortcomings, it never was Chibnall's fault per se, these guys are just politically triggered to the point of aggravating any faulty stories and making the faults seem all political.
They just can’t be happy. And, I don’t mean that as an exaggeration, I mean they can’t be. As in, it would not be advantageous to them to be. They’re so far down the anti-Wokeness, rage-bait, rabbit hole that they can’t be happy or risk losing their huge audience who are just looking for something “woke” to be mad at.
@@Luciry123 kind of, yeah actually. For all the talk of “being political” Chibnall’s years were very milque-toast politically. It shows how the word “woke” literally does just mean, “there are non-white-cis-male-heteros on screen”
It's the BBCs fault, Chibnall wasn't so bad. I kinda realized it because of this episode, I was never a hardline hater or anything but the Chib era was seriously bad, and though this is better it isn't by much. I'm trans and this episode was a veeery bad sign to me, stereotypical trans character with no real personality? Needless man bashing? When the plot is only marginally better then Chibs era and you're treating it like the second coming you know who is in a bad place
As somebody that has gone down the alt right pipeline and comeback, i can say ive been waiting for this for a long time. You hit the nail on the head with every point you made Mr Tardis. Guys like Nerdrotic, Geeks and gamers etc, etc just repeat themselves verbatim everyday like they're quantum locked in the year 2016 and don't put any genuine thought or critique into anything they do or say. They all apparently like starwars, star trek, doctor who or any scifi related fictional story without ever understanding what is inherent to science fiction which is to be progressive. (progress of technology, progress of sociology, economy and more) They also heavily rely on progressive people yelling at them so they can call them snowflakes but than act in the same manor. They are hypocritical, sexist, racist, transphobic homophobic, bigoted man children and somone needs to treat them as such like actually act like a fed up father and put these clowns in the corner for an hour.
39:48 something else Bowlestrek missed is that Tennant’s doctor getting slapped by the companion’s mother is a recurring thing. Jackie slaps him after he messes up and Rose misses a year, Francine slaps him (and I think he says “it’s always the mothers, every time”) and then when Sylvia slaps him RTD is kind of “completing the set” and the doctor even references this in his line afterwards, though I forget exactly what it is. Also is “we choose to let it go” not a reference to Capaldi’s regeneration? Very similar to his last line I think?
Physical assault is acceptable when it's "completing the set", got it. I have just one question ... if the roles were reversed, would it still be acceptable?
@@milome4223 No. Just like it wasn't back then. Francine was a horrible character and so was Jackie and Sylvia they're not supposed to be in the right for slapping the Doctor.
@@milome4223it isn’t acceptable but in the context of the story it’s motivated & understandable. As Jackie, Francine & Sylvia are mothers trying to protect their daughters from the Doctor (in Sylvia’s case especially as Donna would die if she remembers the Doctor). It’s not like the times Amy slaps Rory or River slapping the Doctor which are either bad comedy or melodrama.
@@milome4223the joke isn’t that it’s “acceptable”. The joke is that it’s expected. “Here we go again” (I forget the actual line but Ii’s something like that). The Doctor has historically not gotten a break from his companions’ mothers. Nothing to be said about that being okay, just…de rigueur.
The thing about the assuming pronoun scene for me is that it was literally just shown that Rose gets bullied for being trans so of course she'd be the one too bring up assuming pronouns because its obviously been used against her, that ain't "a lecture pandering message" whatever 🙄 thats what I'd call in character consistency
I liked that scene, but what a lot of people seem to not like is the wording of it. It's the "did you just assume my gender" thing that these people constantly quote, so for them it feels on the nose and like a personal attack. Their heads are just so far up their own asses that they can't for a moment imagine that it isn't about them.
@@MidnightChimey exactly, it's not even unprecedented a similar scene happens The Curse of Paladin with Alpha Centuri when Jo asks if Alpha Centuri a he or a she and he said neither its an it (they do seem to forget about this in The Monster of Paladin tho and refer to Centuri as a she but oh well I didn't forget)
Yes, it's very realistic for Rose to think a lot about her pronouns at this stage of her life. As someone who works with young people, I often meet ones who are transitioning and it's important to respect their pronouns, because they are still forging those identtiies.
I'm so glad you cover these. I always feel I need to educate myself on the 'views' of people like this, just so when I meet one in the wild I'm ready to counter their claims. But if I watch too many of their videos it not only supports them, but screws up my algorithm so I end up getting disillusioned with the DW fanbase because it's being unfairly represented. Being able to watch a number without doing either is a godsend! As a disabled man, who om used to agree as a teen (in the 90s) but gave up because it seemed an impossible dream, it thrills me that the representation is increasing, but angers me how much added rubbish disabled actors have to face just for being themselves.
It's weird that all these people keep harping on the age thing. It's something that happens in media all the time. Tom Holland and Zendaya are nearly 30 and had been playing teenagers for years. And, it isn't new. All the power Rangers, teenagers with attitude, all mostly late 20s. 18 playing 15, is probably one of the least egregious examples. They really have so few points that they are scrapping the bottom of the barrel.
tbh i can imagine alot of the same peopple who do these type of videos absolutely *hating* Power Rangers because it's been diverse in its casting since the very beginning.
And every US teen drama ever, one tree hill, the oc, dawsons creek, vampire diaries, originals, riverdale, Wednesday I could go on and on about how many shows there are with people in their 20s playing teenagers in high school.
I know it’s hardly recent, but Grease had Stockard Channing playing an 18 year old, she was goddamned 33! Also, did you know that William Hartnell wasn’t several centuries old? Show ruined. Funnily enough, even Carol Ann Ford was older.
I wonder if he also thinks it’s unrealistic for someone’s significant other to talk about how much they love them. Actually, he wouldn’t know, no woman can stand him, it’s feminism’s fault
I know it's a long video, but if you have a limited tolerance for this stuff or only have time for one segment, I recommend the Geeks + Gamers one (time-stamps in the description). Obviously, there's some fun dunking on this video and feel free to skip from section to section but I do encourage people to watch the whole thing just to understand the extent of the group-think and just how obvious it is that all these CZcamss *as a collective* are clearly copying each other's notes and find themselves unable to have independent thought. Also, no disrespect to Gate of Theories. I actually think he approached the topic in good faith, I just have disagreements. Enjoy the video!
Ah it’s sweet that you mentioned the no disrespect part. My guess is that he didn’t think it actually think the episode got ruined by it but he over exaggerated his reaction in the thumbnail and title for views. I feel like for me, figuring out if he was transphobic or not would dpepend on his reaction to the giggle
@@ItsButterBean1020 And also said that there were more good black people than good white people in The Batman. He claimed it was 'very much on the nose for current day Hollywood' and he 'did not like that'.
"The Message" reference and the screenshot come from a CZcamsr called "The Critical Drinker" - all these other CZcamsrs are copying his artwork. I suspect you won't like his stance but IMHO he's significantly more nuanced than Nerdrotic or Geeks and Gamers (that's a low bar to jump). He's also got a much higher viewership, his videos regularly top a million views
You know, as someone who is slightly right leaning. I don't get why people get upset about trans-people or differently abled people in media. Aren't there bigger problems in the world? If you don't like or agree with it, just don't watch it? It's something I just can't understand.
I genuinely don't know how these these rage-merchants get through the day, considering can't handle being reminded that people different from them exist. You'd think they'd have a predudice fuled aneurysm walking to the shops or something.
God, imagine being one of these losers and just walking outside. You would be rolling on the ground, foaming at the mouth at how much "forced diversity" there is in actual reality.😂
I've spent most of my life being on the other side of the coin struggling with hyper-strung, hateful individuals that view my very existence as just wrong in some way and react violently To truly believe that you're superior to all other forms of life makes you no better than the Daleks
1972 as you point out, when the Doctor and Jo spend time on camera discussing the preferred pronouns of a non-binary character. All the (few but loud) "lifelong fans" who are outraged at the series' "suddenly and inexplicably" being progressive remind me of the "lifelong fans" of Captain America who were loudly outraged at Captain America being "suddenly and inexplicably" being anti-fascist.
Gate of Theories had us all thinking he was going to be some raving lunatic with the title being so accusatory; "RUINED By Wokeness", but then he comes out with some good points, (and some bad ones). He is a victim of using rage for clickbait, even though he was quite level-headed. A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
It's unfortunate. But I'll live with click bait, it what it leads me to click has intelligent discourse. Like this video which, as you say comes with some good and bad points.
Unfortuantely when these people realise how they just need to double down on the clickbait instead of offering any meaningful discourse, that's when the brain rot begins.
The most annoying part is that videos like the ones you reacted to get so many views as well and they often convince some people to stop watching the show because it's apparently too "woke" or trying to send 'the message'. Also the fact that around 90% of these videos often have zero arguments to back up their claims and are often just 10-20 minute rants about how the show is supposedly "woke" and making huge reaches (clearly from either not watching the show at all or not having watched it in a while) rather than actually focusing their reviews on the highlights or downsides of the episode they're talking about like a good reviewer should do.
@@charg1nmalaz0r51 Maybe some do, but there are definitely a lot of people that purposely look for something in the show they can call "woke" just so that they can make a video and get clicks rather than actually sitting down and watching it properly..
@@richardmaloneriki1811 That's why I wonder why Hollywood studios and other studios for that matter don't go ahead and sue google for slander. It cannot be good if dishonest folks are making money from youtube by lying about the honest works of others.
I'm 100% convinced that if "Terminator 2" or "Lethal Weapon 2" or "Aliens" had come out today, these same "anti-woke" CZcamsrs would be using these classics as evidence that liberal Hollywood was trying to groom the audience.
Except sht ,4 br ai ns ... It didn't and it wasn't. But try again. Proof that your BS today was never needed until you made EVERYTHING a problem and sucked the joy out of EVERYTHING.
@@jaytender4949 How on earth do you think that people are not ok with these things? Who are these people who are not ok with it? 🤣Jesus, you all be making people hate women with this bs. The writing is the problem so do all get over yourselves already. Were you even around when female lead roles were actually fantastic due to good writing? Like Alien for example!
I wonder how the anti woke people, would react if sarah jane was the companion now, she literally spent a lot of her stories preaching to other female characters about feminism.
That first person Gate of Theories seemed okay for the most part, I know Bowlstrek, Nerdrotic and Geeks & Gamers are likely to just be a 'vote Conservative' political party broadcast like they normally are. The PRONOUNS guy is someone I've only recently found out who he is and I see him as just a total embarrassment really.
I agree, the gate of theories guy just didn’t like how it was written sometimes, not that it was there. Like there were so many ways they could’ve written the meep “assume their gender” line but they chose to go with the lazy one that conservatives spout as a joke.
@@ChristinaGXL Yeah but, I think sometimes it's easy in these times to commit to the culture war division. Sometimes these channels may agree with certain things that the grifters and bad actors believe, but we mustn't fall for the trap of lumping them all in as the same. I'm sure based on that video this person is probably an okay guy, I can't say for sure. But I do think it's important to show some good faith towards those who don't necessarily mean any harm by what they say. Nerdrotic, Geeks and Gamers, Bowlstrek, the Quartering (not mentioned here but he's part of that movement), these guys are bad faith. They don't care about what they talk about, just as long as you fall down that rabbit hole (and make them rich along the way). So I don't care what is said about them, they are deliberately causing harm. I don't think it's helpful to anyone to go on the attack against people who don't necessarily mean any harm. Mr Tardis hasn't done that here though, but I do think there are some left-wing media commenters who would be less charitable.
He's also so young that it's possible he does not have perspective on how this is an ongoing thing with DW, it's not altogether that new (being progressive about gender) and how it's really just a science fiction thing. Sci Fi has always interrogated gender in different ways. It's just that now it's being done in a more mainstream way so people notice it and think it's a political message.
If they got upset over the star beast the reactions to wild blue yonder are probably gonna be just as annoying considering (spoilers) The doctor saying he’s attracted to guys now
As others say the first guy is actually pretty reasonable with how he comes across. Like, you guys could actually discuss this on a video call on stream and it'd be amiable. You definitely can't say the same for the others...
You know people like Gobster I genuinely wonder and question how he would have felt back 1998 when Hayley Cropper was brought into Coronation street. which amazes me how in 2023 we are still no further forward when it comes to Trans representation on screen when it comes to people like that who now label its as "woke" "groomer"
I knew all of the channels that have political brain rot would jump on the bandwagon, they’re just grifters honestly. Podcast of the Lotus Eaters, Nerdrotic, Critical Drinker etc. I’m a Whovian fan of the Tennant era and this is how Who has always been. It’s always been about representation. Sometimes it’s on the nose but it’s a side piece in strong stories. These channels man, they must have miserable lives.
They're all grifters, look at their timeline on when they decided to use the term woke because it makes them money. It used to be "anti-sjw" but anti-woke makes them more money
Great video! The thing that worry me the most is the fact that lots of people (even children or young adults) are watching those youtubers and buying that "antiwoke" narrative without even question it. All that LGBTfobia, all that rage against the diversity... The spreading of that hate speech is very very dangerous.
Because he can make money off it. He doesn't care about his fans to actually put in the effort, and his fans don't care, just so long as he gives them politics to get angry at.
The episode shows it's polite to ask someone's pronouns, however it's ok if it takes you a while to process and if you make mistakes as it helps towards mutual respect and understanding.
I concur. My only problems with it were, 1) I feel like The Doctor of all people would ask someone’s pronouns after so many years of time and space and meeting aliens that don’t have human gender, after all, his race literally don’t have that concept, 2) I wish Rose was more of a character.
@@samuelbarber6177 I did think this, I feel like The Doctor was being beaten down a bit, as now male presenting, in order to boost up the women and the marginalized characters. It was the bit at then end that irked me where Donna and Rose said he wouldn't understand because he's male presenting, despite being a women a few hours ago. I just don't think making fun of men or reverse sexism is needed in order to celebrate women.
One thing I've noticed watching a few Fandom Menace podcasts is that there is something very important missing in them that is present in most other shows that discuss media: discourse. As anyone who is old enough to remember Siskel and Ebert will tell you, people get very passionate about media they like and often times they won't always agree on a given piece of media. One of my favorite podcasts is Castle Super Beast with Pat and Woolie of Two Best Friends fame, and they'll get in disagreements over video games or other media from time to time. But I honestly can't think of a single example of any these Fandom Menace influencers ever having a major disagreement with each other. The closest thing I can think of is when they finally kicked Overlord DVD to the curb for constantly reporting on inaccurate "leaks" from the entertainment industry. The fact that there is very little disagreement between them regarding the media they consume shows just how much groupthink has set in with them. It's gotten to the point where one of them will either misinterpret or straight up make up something that they saw in a TV show or movie, the rest of them will nod in agreement that it happened, and before you know it you'll see their followers repeating it all over social media. It really is pathetic how they no longer seem to have any independent thought whatsoever.
Your opinion. Plenty of their audience disagree on some of their individual takes... they frequently disagree with each other. Doesn't stop us from thinking and liking their content/critique, which is far more driven by story and worldbuilding... or its absence. That absence makes it all very obvious when then delivering "the message"... and they call it out because the shill media won't.
Dave Cullen is a theocractic fascist nutjob who literally said he only converted to Christianity to own the libs and cites Neo Nazi flat earther Owen Benjamin as a credible source. Fuck. Him.
Either that or he's still trying to deny the fact he is deep in the closet and is lashing out at the world as a result (either that or I'm overestimating the power the Catholic Church has in Ireland).
When Heels vs Babyface is talking about how changing Davros is an example of erasing disabled heroes. Is he insinuating that Davros is a hero to him? The guy who is modeled after Nazi scientists. The guy who has been one of the main villains of the series for decades. He's the one you want to unironically start support hash tags for? It makes me doubt that heels vs Babyface knows what a heel or a babyface is.
I first saw him doing a review of Commando with the Critical Drinker and thought he was really funny. He certainly didn't say anything hateful or whiny for the entire livestream, so I subscribed to his channel. Unfortunately, that turned out to very much be the exception to the rule and I found his moany content quite tedious and unsubscribed. Then, on another livestream he was guesting on, I witnessed him launch into a five minute transphobic rant, apropos of nothing, aimed at Elliott Page. The other people on the stream just sat in awkward silence, before casually changing the subject...
These people just hate everything, life must be miserable for these people. I love both episodes. The new Tardis design is beautiful and The Giggle looking great already.
Bowlestrek is someone who would look at your "The Year Doctor Who DIED" video and think it was earnest criticism instead of the parody mocking reviewers like him that it was
The problem with The Meep pronoun scene is it makes Rose look like a pedant. I know trans people and they don’t go around policing other peoples interactions with any new person that they meet. If they have a mixture of masculine and feminine characteristics they will just bring up their language preferences casually in conversation themselves. It actually paints a negative image of trans people. Most trans people are more chill than this and the episode does trans people a dis-service by making them out to be busy-bodies, policing everyone’s social interactions. It’s a problem which is exacerbated by the character being so underwritten. I know this won’t be a popular opinion here, but that’s how I feel about it. Also the lines at the end about how the Doctor, like Rose is both male and female and neither and more was really tone deaf. Trans woman don’t see themselves as both male and female and neither and more, they just see themselves as female. Maybe I didn’t get it and she decided in that moment she wasn’t a trans woman and was instead non-binary, but I think if that’s the case, RTD’s introduction of the first trans character in Doctor Who is undercut by having her change from a trans woman to a non-binary person by the end of the episode and I reckon he probably shouldn’t have done that if he wanted this creative choice to have resonance.
Okay, I discussed the backlash with my friends (and I always listen to my friends because they're funny, civilised people), and here's my conclusion: The "woke stuff" (is "woke" even a real word? It just sounds wack, as if a five-year-old just invented it out of nowhere without setting a definition properly) is subtle. As in, I didn't even notice that Rose was non-binary until the end, because I was to busy having fun with the return of David Tennant and Catherine Tate, not to mention THE MEEP! And even then, I wasn't offended at all when I did put two and two together, because Rose is a nice character, and any pronoun is as cool as bowties (they're universally cool, and they'll always will be). The opinions of those "fans" are especially stupid, because Russell T. Davies effectively started out by making shows that actively promote what some would call "wokeness" (for example, Queer As Folk). Not to mention, the revival (as well as expanded universe stuff in the Wilderness Years, like Izzy Sinclair and Fitz Kreiner) has always been about LGBT representation, so why bother bring up that you hate that sort of thing now? Yep, these videos were OBVIOUSLY made by "diehard fandom". And finally, Doctor Who is supposed to be a celebration of humanity AS A WHOLE. If it weren't, we'd just end up stuck in a Hell where The Celestial Toymaker is always praised, rather than rightfully criticised, for being an Oriental stereotype whose sentient dolls spout off the N-word whenever (thank goodness that we now have Neil Patrick Harris to the rescue). That'd just be horrible, and we wouldn't have had a Revival if Doctor Who was just that sort of thing. "The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common: they don't alter their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views." -Tom Baker, "The Face of Evil".
Honestly, Gate of Theories doesn't seem like an inherently bad guy. Maybe he goes too far with the whole Anti-Woke rhetoric, but I could see him and Mr TARDIS potentially having a debate, and both being reasonable and civilised with one-another (something of a lost art in today's climate). The others may as well just put on their KKK hoods, or their "Troll Lives Matter" T-shirts, and be done with it.
I didn’t even realize they mentioned Rose’s deadname until my second viewing so it’s possible Bowlestrek, who’s blind with rage all the time, juts missed it
according to his twitter/X, Bowlestrek watched the Star Beast three times to review it and claims "f*ck my life!" after watching it Makes me wonder why we don't see more Dalek stories end with the Daleks self-destructing, given the real deals like to hit such a button.
I thought he gave up watching after the first episode of series 11. And the 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10, special ,series12 episode 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10. flux, and 3 specials.
Keep doing what you're doing. These people need to be called out. They are doing nothing but spreading hate. Representation is not propaganda. It's not wrong to have a few criticisms but you have a problem with even tiniest bit of representation, then you're wrong. There are fans who enjoy the new Doctor Who but these people making it out that if you enjoy it, then you're committing some sort of crime.
1:09:16 Well, episodes 1 and 2. He got the robot arm after the first duel with Dooku, but let's not split hairs. Also, speaking of the prequels, the sheer anger these reactionaries have kinda reminds me of the post-surgery scene from the RotS novelization, except trapped in their own minds rather than their own bodies. This is how it feels to be Bowlestrek, forever.
I feel like Gate of Theories is just a young guy leaving the far-right political bubble that a lot of teenage boys find themselves in, and are trying to realign himself politically but is struggling with past piases and viewpoints. What he's saying is something I think 19/20 year old me would have said - "I agree with more wokeness but this is *too* woke". And sometimes he is close to having a decent point or understanding why, but just fully misses the end goal. Rose asking the Meep for pronouns can come off as forced and awkward, but Rose is a teenage trans girl - of course she's going to ask, pronouns are something that matters a lot to her. The "Let it go" line is similarly odd, but if you read it as Donna just having a jab at her best friend, which she is, then it works better. Although I think changing that line to "Something *this face* could never do", rather than "Something men can't do" works better. Doesn't fit with the message but is so much less clunky and weird.
I'm pleasantly surprised that Bowlestrek didn't deadname Rose throughout his video, still absolutely insane 'points' being made and bigotry the whole way through though... There are some genuine criticisms to be made of The Star Beast that relate to the handling of Rose, but these people are so obsessed with being angry and hateful that they're incapable of landing on a single one of those criticisms.
if they're the hateful ones then why is all of your time spent talking about how bad they are for being upset that a single party's politics have been aggressively injected into a once-great show
@@variaxi935 and why are you spending all of your time commenting at them about it? Not to mention the idea that politics has only recently appeared on the show is factually incorrect, and if anything the modern era is a whole lot less preachy than the past
Great video, and thanks for putting the effort into it. Small point: virtue signalling isn't just talking about being virtuous, but actually _doing_ things to put oneself in a good light... such as rich, Tory supporting celebs doing "a lot of work for charidee". Also (1:56:17) cis- actually means "the _same_ side as"; it's trans- that means "the opposite side of". In fact, the OED's earliest example of the cis- and trans- prefixes being used dates from 1662 (albeit not in the sense of gender)
The joke in "The Wild Blue Yonder" about THIS is the Doctor showing off his 2 Screwdrivers: I got my Sonic-Screwdriver AND I got this Non-Sonic-Screwdriver - Donner conters: you could just call it a Screwdriver!
43:05 I guess Bowlestrek doesn't realise that in the original 1980 Marvel UK Doctor Who comic strip as the fourth Doctor thinking that the Meep is a good guy till he finds out it isn't. So it isn't actually RTD coming up with the concept.
to Bowlestrek, if there is a black person in the corner of the screen as an extra, the white man main character is now being talked down to and the show is no longer good. he would hate The Tenth Planet for having a black man probably too
also if shirley was using an exo-skeleton or whatever that would mean she would have to be played by a non-disabled actor. more evidence that he just doesn’t want to see disabled people on tv or even give them jobs.
So we've watched most of the classics...And loved most of new who untill it went what we would call woke..But we're not fans?? Well we're not fans now because the show is awful hence the viewing numbers...But we were. Just except we hate this crap and we will continue to voice our oppinions.
I remember an old tweet a couple of years ago from Geeks and Gamers saying he doesn’t watch the show. When somebody asked him if he watches Doctor Who. So why does he suddenly care about a show he has never been interested in?
Right so just because they are American and Don’t agree with the show now, That makes them not fans? Plus, what does the fact that they are American have to do with anything?
@@PurpleBoi69what makes me laughe is that we make videos giving criticism to a show we use to love..yet we dont attack them.. Infact we say if you like it then watch it..Everyone likes different things..This guy makes a video attacking everyone who doesn't like it..And he thinks we're the haters.
Oh boy. A 2 hour long reactionary response. I’ll get my cider and toffee popcorn on standby. I bet very soon we’ll be getting more of this in the coming days because people will complain about Isaac Newton (who is historically white to my knowledge) being played black and queer actor, Nathanial Curtis who you might recognise as Ash from It’s a Sin. It’s great that collaborators from RTD’s other work can make in Doctor Who.
It does tickle me that the "colour-blind" casting of Isaac Newton will totally blow the minds of the right sort of people. I didn't notice it was the same guy I already saw in "It's a Sin", because the huge 17th century wig makes him look totally different. But I didn't like that scene for other reasons (ie, how is the Doctor in an emergency situation if he can stop and have a chat with Newton, change the English word "mavity", and then get back in the Tardis and still crash out of control in a spaceship millions of light years beyond the edge of the universe)
Colour-blind casting was intended to give actors a chance to play classical characters from which they were previous barred. There's only so many times you can play Othello before wanting to try your hand at the Prince of Denmark. Here, it's just confusing in a show that was meant to get children excited about history. Since Isaac Newton isn't a fictional character, and this is so obviously incorrect, it's only been placed there to generate unrest. And when the showrunner seems hell-bent on upsetting fans, I don't see how this helps anyone. But I'm sure my point will be lost in all the shouting. 😢
The world moves on, some people do not. It's depressing to see people who genuinely seem invested in pop culture properties like Star Trek and Doctor Who fail to absorb any of the positive messaging about compassion, identity, tolerance and the diversity that exists not just in the strange alien creatures these characters meet but within the human race itself. Poor media literacy is a terrible illness.
I wonder if they'll get upset about Donna saying "Did they throw him out? Her out. Them out." when talking about a dead alien horse who she knows nothing about.
@@paulhammond6978 It was a language he's never see and presumably a species he's never met, so I assumed he found out when translating the stuff on screen. Like maybe he came across data about the previous crewmates? But yea the episode doesn't make it clear how he knew, that's just my best guess.
Great video Mr T. You have beautifully encapsulated my thoughts and frustration. As a Boomer on a steep learning curve these narrow views really frustrate me. I hope this gets a lot of views
Nerdrotic claiming that this is neither going to bring back old fans who fell off or bring in new fans... Hello. Fan who kinda fell out of love with the show after Hell Bent here (though I did still *watch* two more seasons after it... But my actual emotional investment kinda died with that episode), coming in to say that I came back for the 60th anniversary specials and so far I have enjoyed both quite a lot. At this point I'm actually rather looking forward to the next season and am excited to see what Ncuti Gatwa's Doctor will be like,
As someone who’s love for the show also died with Hell Bent, criticism for the show has gotten so much worse. It’s strange all I need to prove Hell Bent is the worst Doctor Who episode of all time nowadays is just scream plot armor at the Storm Trooper aiming that happen at the barn.
@@Eternal_Sky_Tardis Storm Trooper aiming is NEVER a reason I hate anything, I was mocking idiots that were actually claiming Flux and Eve of the Daleks are bad because of Storm Trooper aiming. I haven't seen Flux or Eve of the Daleks and I can say with 100% certainly they ain't bad because of Storm Trooper aiming. If oversaturated villains are so easily ruined by Storm Trooper aiming, then they were never great to begin with.
"the doctor isn't from anywhere and doesn't fit in anywhere" is a solid point. Like Moffat brought back gallifrey and bigged it up as the doctor searching for it but realised why? The doctor ran AWAY from gallifray, their rarely returns willingly.
44:39 - Bowlestrek's review is especially sad because his description of the end of the episode indicates that he doesn't even follow and comprehend what is happening. Like it sounds like he doesn't understand why Donna didn't die. He just thinks it's because Rose is special. His brain is so full of hate he can't follow the plot of a fairly standard Doctor Who episode.
Thank you so much for this! Social media for the past few days has been an absolute firestorm of the anti-woke brigade getting upset about the same stuff over and over again. This whole video was therapeutic, thank you!
I've been waiting for you to cover this and this was absolutely fantastic, thank you so much Mr TARDIS for providing facts and logic which these reactionaries simply never do, excellent work as always!
I knew Nerdrotic once. I remember him being a kind father to his autistic son and intervening when he was bullied in school. I guess some people view money as more important than consistent values
I think Will, and this is purely my perception, a lot of right leaning commentators are annoyed at inclusivity and having to view the world beyond a white male leaning perspective. And it's notable the majority of complainants are white males. I am a white male as it happens too but I don't feel angry about inclusive content on Doctor Who. Of course pointing out white males complaining about inclusivity makes me a gas lighter in the eyes of Dave Cullen and others. For years societal norms marginalised women, disabled people, Blacks, Asians and any other non-white groups. Dave and the others want to keep it that way, represent majority views, not minorities. It's ignorant and bigoted. I used to like Dave and Nerdrotic etc years ago, but I'm just so fed up of the constant whining. I'm exicted to see Ncuti become the shows first Black Doctor, but we all know what's coming, the endless videos deriding the series for a Black Gay actor playing the lead, sarcastically calling it "stunning and brave". I believe Doctor Who is for everyone. Watching content from these guys will just annoy and frustrate you Will. They're just ... well ... they're just bellends.
Love how these people accuse everyone else of being "NPCs" or whatever like we're all just following a mindless script and doing what we're told when these guys are so predictable and say the same shit it's laughable. Name a time they AREN'T projecting. To pull a Nerdrotic and shove in a pointless Capaldi quote from The Thick of It, "fucking robots".
Mr.Tardis, you keep bringing up how the children’s in need Davros design is only a prequel design (which it is) but it’s also how he’ll look moving forward as stated by RTD, they have changed Davros’s design and timeline for the rest of the show.
He hasn't though... You can still watch all those unedited Davros stories on the iPlayer. You've still got the DVD and Blu-Ray releases. Nothing has changed about Davros in the past.
@@MrTARDISThe “rest of the show” means going forward doesn’t it? Nobody claims RTD replaced older appearances of Davros. But making this change for such a blatantly idiotic reason is what people are complaining about.
Unbelievable. "Positive rep of disabled people is a thing" (points at Prof X and Geordi La Forge) Also Baby Face: "Great work Russell, now kids are going to be scared of disabled people firing rockets at them"
I loved Ironside growing up an awesome character with a great theme tune. Russell thinks there’s something wrong & now he wants us to think the same. The same with those that say Orcs are coded black & goblins are Jews. Sounds like a you problem
@@theoconstantinou2839 You know, the disabled = bad thing is an actual trope. Not that I think Davies making heavy handed comments when he didn't need to is actually a solution for that. But you might acknowledge that the problem is real before getting into whether retconning Davros out of a wheelchair is a sensible or stupid way to react to that problem.
I love that the showrunners knew how these folk would react, but just did it anyway. In other words, not pandering to their bigotry. Disabled, trans, gay, black folk, etc can't exist in a world with time travelling-police boxes, aliens, a guy with two hearts and all other sorts of crazy stuff for The Triggered Ones.
Yeah, but why is this alien from another world talking like present-day Earth humans? I'm not talking about speaking English. I'm talking about using specific vernacular like "chosen pronoun." Because I'm pretty sure the rest of the universe moved past "chosen pronouns" eons ago, so wouldn't this be a bit like someone from 100,000 BC asking you what your chosen foraging spot is? It's not even a thing for you. That's my issue with it. What's even more baffling is the role-reversal of Rose and the Doctor. The Doctor: A 2000 year old Time Lord who has been to every corner of space and time and comes from a society that moved past this nonsense millennia ago. Rose: A random present-day Earth teenager with absolutely no knowledge of the universe outside of high school science class. Yet ROSE is the one shown being more considerate of Meep's "chosen pronoun" instead of the Doctor. That makes about as much sense as that idiotic resolution to the metacrisis, where RTD just says "fuck it" and has the characters say "let it go." Oh, and there again - somehow, the nobodies from Earth know more about how to fix this shit than the 2000 year old Time Lord. K.
Also Rose is trans, the Doctor isnt, theyre not suffering from any sort of hate about their identity and dont feel the need to correct people that's called logic go eat some or eat shit idk
@@gay4sswhovian *_Because the Doctor litterally spends majority of their time on Earth AND with humans maybe ?_* Well...no, he doesn't. Of the 155 original serials, only 30 of them were set on present-day Earth. Of the revival's 177 episodes, only 57 or so are set on present-day Earth. And by the way, this is not accounting for the periods in the revival where he leaves Amy and Rory and later returns.
Something I've seen go over most people's heads is that when Donna and Rose are repeating "Binary, Binary, Binary" - that's one of the last thing's Donna says as the DoctorDonna before the Doctor wipes her memory. She's remembering that event, and thus Rose is also remembering it. It's not a full on gender commentary (Although knowing RTD, he definitely saw it as a tongue in cheek moment as well.)
The 4th Doctor in his first episode "You may be a doctor but I'm "THE Doctor", the definite article you might say". I thought this reference was pretty obvious, in a show where the main character has gone by "The Doctor" for the last 60 years. This was also a couple episodes after Alpha Centauris second appearance and the Sontarans introduction too.
Thanks for the reminder. I always associate that line with the 1st Doctor when he comes back in The Three Doctors. When Jo asks who he is, doesn't he say "I'm THE Doctor, the definite article". Now I have to go watch that again to check - maybe he said "the original" and I'm getting things mixed up.
@@paulhammond6978 I don't think he says that in The Three Doctors, but 12 and 1 do say a line like that at the end of Series 10 and Twice Upon a Time.
@paulhammond6978 the first Doctor says that in the Five Doctor's, "The Original you might say"
I love bowlstrek.
He's so funny.
That "white UNIT soldier" is half Korean lol. The actor's name is Jamie Cho
Cool.
Half Chinese, I think.
@@notavailable2590 Cho is a Korean surname. The Chinese surname using the same character is Zhou.
@@richardmaloneriki1811Interview with Jamie Cho, Mayfair Times, Nov 17, 2023:
“I’ve been extremely lucky to work in the film and TV industry. I’ve had fantastic experiences with the other creatives I’ve worked with. It can be a challenge as roles for south east Asian actors, especially males, are very limited. However, hopefully more south east Asian writers and directors can break through. I hope I can be a part of this movement, as I’ve recently written my first feature film screenplay, which I want to direct. There are not enough British Chinese stories breaking through and there are so many stories yet to tell.”
I would assume he’s British Korean, based on the surname. Not sure why his character is named Colonel Chan, then.
About the Meep pronounce scene. The joke is not "The docter is a bigot" it's "The Docter is practically alsways referred to with the definat artical, like the Meep". Thats why I honestly find the joke funny.
Joke! That was a joke? Go get a dictionary and look up the definition of joke, you are missing out.
@@jonny1872Because you didn't find it funny doesn't mean it's not a joke.
That was funny? I found it dragged and held up the plot. Too many cases of narrative being bogged down.
Honestly I’m fine with the joke it just confirms my headcannon that the doctor is none-binary
@@fastertrackcreative It didnt drag the plot down it had a purpose. It was to have a bonding moment with the Meep and have them apperir more understandable and cute which was to add surprises whenever the plot twist was revealed. Just because something isnt directly progressing the plot doesnt mean its dragging anything down or is usless to the story.
I'm done with this show
*Keeps watching it
more hatewatching
"FUCKING PRONOUNS" Still makes me laugh 4 months on
And it will continue to make us laugh as his reputation gradually deteriorates and more people start to call him out on his transphobic BS.
@@bladersmosha reputation can’t deteriorate if it never existed in the first place
I almost knocked myself out facepalming
@@bladersmosh he's not anti trans, he's anti woke
@@xsm5525 There's literally no functional distinction. Calling something "woke" is just saying the same thing without using the actual words to make themselves feel superior.
I love how Bowlestrek has to reinforce that Tennant look like he doesn't wanna be there, (no matter how untrue it is) because Tennant is not only a white man playing the Doctor so surely can't be a bad actor or the problem, and because Tennant is the golden boy of the fan base and Bowlestrek doesn't want to criticise a Doctor let's be honest he probably likes
100%
"Tennant clearly looks like he doesn't wanna be there"
Tennant litherally looking like the happyest person on earth because he entered the Tardis once again:
@@madeinmeme9688 yeah. he is very happy and enjoying the role. he just loves Doctor Who 💙💙
As a disabled Whovian with cerebral palsy, who came back to talking about the show myself I have to say that I was completely naïve to how bad some of this stuff has gotten because of what I’ve had to deal with in my own comments section! Thank you for being an an ally and bringing attention to all of this!
Nerdrotic, etc. are bottom feeders.
They're hubs of white supremacy, ableist, sexist... every ist you can name.
An actor can't just be in a wheelchair (because no one uses mobility aids in real life?), it's "woke garbage."
I'm an Autistic Whovian myself.
@@Stephie2007I'm trans, this is not a good thing. They're using you and I for views
@@Jiub_SNI always want to be sure that representation is meaningful for fellow Autistic people and for the Trans community, all too often what we get are stereotypes or full on erasure, so it is a fair point to say we need to be mindful of what we're being used for - Keep fighting the good fight!
@@Jiub_SN I just want to elaborate. There is a right way and a wrong way to represent the disabled. More often than not, it's the wrong way (because people are too damn ignorant) Now I haven't watched the recent episodes of "Doctor Who" to know what what's going on here (Mainly because I live in America and The new episodes haven't made it to Max yet. That and I heard not so great things about the Jodi Whitaker era of "Doctor Who" so it makes me a little anxious about RTD/Tennant round 2)
You can just tell how miserable their lives are, or how miserable they feel about themselves. I've always been convinced that these kind of people can't even begin to comprehend that the world is much bigger than their little bubble of existence. It's so sad. Anyway. I love you for making this video, thank you 🤍🤍🤍
Remember the Pertwee episode (Curse Of Peladon) when The Doctor and Jo Grant are talking about Alpha Centauri, being both neither male or female? Those right wing Trans-Patrol types would retroactively label that "woke"...........
"RTD WENT BACK IN TIME AND WROTE IT! WOOOOOKE!!!" 😂
I amso remember when Sarah Janes tells a woman to not feel bad or put herself down for being a woman in my case 😂
I love how it was all Chibnall's fault but now they've done a U turn 😂😂.
That's the problem with distorted narratives. Despite the era's shortcomings, it never was Chibnall's fault per se, these guys are just politically triggered to the point of aggravating any faulty stories and making the faults seem all political.
They just can’t be happy. And, I don’t mean that as an exaggeration, I mean they can’t be. As in, it would not be advantageous to them to be. They’re so far down the anti-Wokeness, rage-bait, rabbit hole that they can’t be happy or risk losing their huge audience who are just looking for something “woke” to be mad at.
Wasn't Chibnalls era also the least progressive era of the show in recent years?
@@Luciry123 kind of, yeah actually. For all the talk of “being political” Chibnall’s years were very milque-toast politically. It shows how the word “woke” literally does just mean, “there are non-white-cis-male-heteros on screen”
It's the BBCs fault, Chibnall wasn't so bad. I kinda realized it because of this episode, I was never a hardline hater or anything but the Chib era was seriously bad, and though this is better it isn't by much. I'm trans and this episode was a veeery bad sign to me, stereotypical trans character with no real personality? Needless man bashing? When the plot is only marginally better then Chibs era and you're treating it like the second coming you know who is in a bad place
As somebody that has gone down the alt right pipeline and comeback, i can say ive been waiting for this for a long time. You hit the nail on the head with every point you made Mr Tardis. Guys like Nerdrotic, Geeks and gamers etc, etc just repeat themselves verbatim everyday like they're quantum locked in the year 2016 and don't put any genuine thought or critique into anything they do or say. They all apparently like starwars, star trek, doctor who or any scifi related fictional story without ever understanding what is inherent to science fiction which is to be progressive. (progress of technology, progress of sociology, economy and more) They also heavily rely on progressive people yelling at them so they can call them snowflakes but than act in the same manor. They are hypocritical, sexist, racist, transphobic homophobic, bigoted man children and somone needs to treat them as such like actually act like a fed up father and put these clowns in the corner for an hour.
39:48 something else Bowlestrek missed is that Tennant’s doctor getting slapped by the companion’s mother is a recurring thing. Jackie slaps him after he messes up and Rose misses a year, Francine slaps him (and I think he says “it’s always the mothers, every time”) and then when Sylvia slaps him RTD is kind of “completing the set” and the doctor even references this in his line afterwards, though I forget exactly what it is.
Also is “we choose to let it go” not a reference to Capaldi’s regeneration? Very similar to his last line I think?
Physical assault is acceptable when it's "completing the set", got it. I have just one question ... if the roles were reversed, would it still be acceptable?
Yep, he even says “here we go again”
@@milome4223 No. Just like it wasn't back then. Francine was a horrible character and so was Jackie and Sylvia they're not supposed to be in the right for slapping the Doctor.
@@milome4223it isn’t acceptable but in the context of the story it’s motivated & understandable. As Jackie, Francine & Sylvia are mothers trying to protect their daughters from the Doctor (in Sylvia’s case especially as Donna would die if she remembers the Doctor). It’s not like the times Amy slaps Rory or River slapping the Doctor which are either bad comedy or melodrama.
@@milome4223the joke isn’t that it’s “acceptable”. The joke is that it’s expected. “Here we go again” (I forget the actual line but Ii’s something like that). The Doctor has historically not gotten a break from his companions’ mothers. Nothing to be said about that being okay, just…de rigueur.
I have met Bowlestrek in person and can confirm that yes, he is indeed that baby bird
He seems utterly insufferable
The thing about the assuming pronoun scene for me is that it was literally just shown that Rose gets bullied for being trans so of course she'd be the one too bring up assuming pronouns because its obviously been used against her, that ain't "a lecture pandering message" whatever 🙄 thats what I'd call in character consistency
I loved that scene as I just thought it was a funny joke at the Doctors expense. Then on another level it is a part of Rose’s life and experience.
I liked that scene, but what a lot of people seem to not like is the wording of it. It's the "did you just assume my gender" thing that these people constantly quote, so for them it feels on the nose and like a personal attack. Their heads are just so far up their own asses that they can't for a moment imagine that it isn't about them.
There's literally no lecturing. She just points out the Doctor assumed a pronoun and that's it
@@MidnightChimey exactly, it's not even unprecedented a similar scene happens The Curse of Paladin with Alpha Centuri when Jo asks if Alpha Centuri a he or a she and he said neither its an it (they do seem to forget about this in The Monster of Paladin tho and refer to Centuri as a she but oh well I didn't forget)
Yes, it's very realistic for Rose to think a lot about her pronouns at this stage of her life. As someone who works with young people, I often meet ones who are transitioning and it's important to respect their pronouns, because they are still forging those identtiies.
Ever notice how Bowelstrek sounds like a Dalek trying to imitate Cinemasins?
You can always rely on Bowlestrek to provide some good solid laughs.
I'm so glad you cover these. I always feel I need to educate myself on the 'views' of people like this, just so when I meet one in the wild I'm ready to counter their claims. But if I watch too many of their videos it not only supports them, but screws up my algorithm so I end up getting disillusioned with the DW fanbase because it's being unfairly represented. Being able to watch a number without doing either is a godsend!
As a disabled man, who om used to agree as a teen (in the 90s) but gave up because it seemed an impossible dream, it thrills me that the representation is increasing, but angers me how much added rubbish disabled actors have to face just for being themselves.
It's weird that all these people keep harping on the age thing. It's something that happens in media all the time. Tom Holland and Zendaya are nearly 30 and had been playing teenagers for years. And, it isn't new. All the power Rangers, teenagers with attitude, all mostly late 20s. 18 playing 15, is probably one of the least egregious examples. They really have so few points that they are scrapping the bottom of the barrel.
tbh i can imagine alot of the same peopple who do these type of videos absolutely *hating* Power Rangers because it's been diverse in its casting since the very beginning.
And every US teen drama ever, one tree hill, the oc, dawsons creek, vampire diaries, originals, riverdale, Wednesday I could go on and on about how many shows there are with people in their 20s playing teenagers in high school.
@@MrTARDIS Not sure Billie would like be happy with you making her 4 years older then she is.
@@booradley8895 deleted original comments. This is why I do CZcams instead of maths. My mistake.
I know it’s hardly recent, but Grease had Stockard Channing playing an 18 year old, she was goddamned 33!
Also, did you know that William Hartnell wasn’t several centuries old? Show ruined.
Funnily enough, even Carol Ann Ford was older.
1:17:47 Nerdotic thinks that parents talking about how proud they are of their kid is unrealistic and thats both sad and hilarious
I wonder if he also thinks it’s unrealistic for someone’s significant other to talk about how much they love them. Actually, he wouldn’t know, no woman can stand him, it’s feminism’s fault
Nerdrotic has at least one son, whom he claims is autistic.
@@DeadpoolNegative If that's true I genuinely hope this is 100% a grift and he believes none of this because otherwise I fear for his son
@@ZarkWiffleif he's as bad irl as he is online, someone call CPS
@@ZarkWiffle I think Nerdrotic’s kid (s?) are all grown- he’s going to be 55 next year so they can probably kick his ass.
I know it's a long video, but if you have a limited tolerance for this stuff or only have time for one segment, I recommend the Geeks + Gamers one (time-stamps in the description).
Obviously, there's some fun dunking on this video and feel free to skip from section to section but I do encourage people to watch the whole thing just to understand the extent of the group-think and just how obvious it is that all these CZcamss *as a collective* are clearly copying each other's notes and find themselves unable to have independent thought.
Also, no disrespect to Gate of Theories. I actually think he approached the topic in good faith, I just have disagreements.
Enjoy the video!
Ah it’s sweet that you mentioned the no disrespect part. My guess is that he didn’t think it actually think the episode got ruined by it but he over exaggerated his reaction in the thumbnail and title for views.
I feel like for me, figuring out if he was transphobic or not would dpepend on his reaction to the giggle
There is more fun watching you look a complete cock womble talking absolute bilge. 🤣🤣🤣
Well done..😁
Also the Geeks and Gamer guy is Ryan Kinel, he made a George Floyd joke about a Springfield statue
@@ItsButterBean1020 And also said that there were more good black people than good white people in The Batman. He claimed it was 'very much on the nose for current day Hollywood' and he 'did not like that'.
"The Message" reference and the screenshot come from a CZcamsr called "The Critical Drinker" - all these other CZcamsrs are copying his artwork. I suspect you won't like his stance but IMHO he's significantly more nuanced than Nerdrotic or Geeks and Gamers (that's a low bar to jump). He's also got a much higher viewership, his videos regularly top a million views
Hey how dare you call bowlstrek a little baby chick.
It’s an insult to all cute baby chicks that have ever lived (real or not).
You know, as someone who is slightly right leaning. I don't get why people get upset about trans-people or differently abled people in media. Aren't there bigger problems in the world? If you don't like or agree with it, just don't watch it? It's something I just can't understand.
I genuinely don't know how these these rage-merchants get through the day, considering can't handle being reminded that people different from them exist. You'd think they'd have a predudice fuled aneurysm walking to the shops or something.
God, imagine being one of these losers and just walking outside. You would be rolling on the ground, foaming at the mouth at how much "forced diversity" there is in actual reality.😂
I've spent most of my life being on the other side of the coin struggling with hyper-strung, hateful individuals that view my very existence as just wrong in some way and react violently
To truly believe that you're superior to all other forms of life makes you no better than the Daleks
Because it’s a grift. They don’t believe this. They just know what their audience wants to hear. Honestly, I’m more concerned for them.
Agreed they are unstable, it's like they can not be positive
The lack of textual engagement is disturbing. They aren’t even cliff-noting the cliff notes.
Moby Dick: a story about an angry fish.
Nah they'd be like, "Moby DICK? There trying to make the fish sympathetic as a representation of transmen!"
1972 as you point out, when the Doctor and Jo spend time on camera discussing the preferred pronouns of a non-binary character. All the (few but loud) "lifelong fans" who are outraged at the series' "suddenly and inexplicably" being progressive remind me of the "lifelong fans" of Captain America who were loudly outraged at Captain America being "suddenly and inexplicably" being anti-fascist.
Gate of Theories had us all thinking he was going to be some raving lunatic with the title being so accusatory; "RUINED By Wokeness", but then he comes out with some good points, (and some bad ones). He is a victim of using rage for clickbait, even though he was quite level-headed. A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
It's unfortunate. But I'll live with click bait, it what it leads me to click has intelligent discourse. Like this video which, as you say comes with some good and bad points.
Unfortuantely when these people realise how they just need to double down on the clickbait instead of offering any meaningful discourse, that's when the brain rot begins.
The most annoying part is that videos like the ones you reacted to get so many views as well and they often convince some people to stop watching the show because it's apparently too "woke" or trying to send 'the message'. Also the fact that around 90% of these videos often have zero arguments to back up their claims and are often just 10-20 minute rants about how the show is supposedly "woke" and making huge reaches (clearly from either not watching the show at all or not having watched it in a while) rather than actually focusing their reviews on the highlights or downsides of the episode they're talking about like a good reviewer should do.
Yeah I hate how the algorithm promotes the outrage merchants over the actual fans. It gives them a false sense of being in the majority.
These people actually watch the show, you would know that if you watched their reviews
BBC said themselves it's a transport system for The Message.
@@charg1nmalaz0r51 Maybe some do, but there are definitely a lot of people that purposely look for something in the show they can call "woke" just so that they can make a video and get clicks rather than actually sitting down and watching it properly..
@@richardmaloneriki1811 That's why I wonder why Hollywood studios and other studios for that matter don't go ahead and sue google for slander. It cannot be good if dishonest folks are making money from youtube by lying about the honest works of others.
I'm 100% convinced that if "Terminator 2" or "Lethal Weapon 2" or "Aliens" had come out today, these same "anti-woke" CZcamsrs would be using these classics as evidence that liberal Hollywood was trying to groom the audience.
Exactly! I don’t know why they would be okay with those movies if they aren’t okay with female led movies today?
@@jaytender4949 or females doing anything: writing, directing, producing...
Except sht ,4 br ai ns ... It didn't and it wasn't. But try again. Proof that your BS today was never needed until you made EVERYTHING a problem and sucked the joy out of EVERYTHING.
@@davidlaurahayNo one cares what you think
@@jaytender4949 How on earth do you think that people are not ok with these things? Who are these people who are not ok with it? 🤣Jesus, you all be making people hate women with this bs. The writing is the problem so do all get over yourselves already. Were you even around when female lead roles were actually fantastic due to good writing? Like Alien for example!
I wonder how the anti woke people, would react if sarah jane was the companion now, she literally spent a lot of her stories preaching to other female characters about feminism.
That first person Gate of Theories seemed okay for the most part, I know Bowlstrek, Nerdrotic and Geeks & Gamers are likely to just be a 'vote Conservative' political party broadcast like they normally are. The PRONOUNS guy is someone I've only recently found out who he is and I see him as just a total embarrassment really.
I agree, the gate of theories guy just didn’t like how it was written sometimes, not that it was there. Like there were so many ways they could’ve written the meep “assume their gender” line but they chose to go with the lazy one that conservatives spout as a joke.
His media analysis was fine but It's the way it's framed that is dodgy
@@ChristinaGXL Yeah but, I think sometimes it's easy in these times to commit to the culture war division. Sometimes these channels may agree with certain things that the grifters and bad actors believe, but we mustn't fall for the trap of lumping them all in as the same.
I'm sure based on that video this person is probably an okay guy, I can't say for sure. But I do think it's important to show some good faith towards those who don't necessarily mean any harm by what they say. Nerdrotic, Geeks and Gamers, Bowlstrek, the Quartering (not mentioned here but he's part of that movement), these guys are bad faith.
They don't care about what they talk about, just as long as you fall down that rabbit hole (and make them rich along the way). So I don't care what is said about them, they are deliberately causing harm. I don't think it's helpful to anyone to go on the attack against people who don't necessarily mean any harm.
Mr Tardis hasn't done that here though, but I do think there are some left-wing media commenters who would be less charitable.
He's also so young that it's possible he does not have perspective on how this is an ongoing thing with DW, it's not altogether that new (being progressive about gender) and how it's really just a science fiction thing. Sci Fi has always interrogated gender in different ways. It's just that now it's being done in a more mainstream way so people notice it and think it's a political message.
Could you imagine being out in public and somebody saying "Hey look it's the Pronouns guy!"
A lot of these guys never watched Doctor Who in their lives and those who did, watched with the volume on mute
They blinked and turned their back
If they got upset over the star beast the reactions to wild blue yonder are probably gonna be just as annoying considering (spoilers)
The doctor saying he’s attracted to guys now
When we’ve had moments of the doctor having moments with guys since classic, the wilderness years and NuWho before they can complain
The doctor's kissed what, 6 guys since new who started, at least? Not to mention all that stuff in the wilderness years with Fitz.
in addition to...
Indian man playing isaac newton
I liked Fitz. @@TimelordRick
@@paulflint6254 Me too!
As others say the first guy is actually pretty reasonable with how he comes across. Like, you guys could actually discuss this on a video call on stream and it'd be amiable.
You definitely can't say the same for the others...
You know people like Gobster I genuinely wonder and question how he would have felt back 1998 when Hayley Cropper was brought into Coronation street. which amazes me how in 2023 we are still no further forward when it comes to Trans representation on screen when it comes to people like that who now label its as "woke" "groomer"
i love that every time they show a clip of the pronoun scene they cut right before The Doctor says "oh, me too"
They seem to be purposely missing the joke
@Xanthe_CatThe Doctor also just dont give a shit since theyre a genderfluid alien and are just trying to connect with another one
I knew all of the channels that have political brain rot would jump on the bandwagon, they’re just grifters honestly. Podcast of the Lotus Eaters, Nerdrotic, Critical Drinker etc. I’m a Whovian fan of the Tennant era and this is how Who has always been. It’s always been about representation. Sometimes it’s on the nose but it’s a side piece in strong stories. These channels man, they must have miserable lives.
🤡 out of touch with the majority
They're all grifters, look at their timeline on when they decided to use the term woke because it makes them money. It used to be "anti-sjw" but anti-woke makes them more money
Great video! The thing that worry me the most is the fact that lots of people (even children or young adults) are watching those youtubers and buying that "antiwoke" narrative without even question it. All that LGBTfobia, all that rage against the diversity... The spreading of that hate speech is very very dangerous.
It is, and once someone watches one, youtube will feed them more, cementing that view.
Why is Geeks and Gamers even talking about Doctor Who? He hasn’t even watched an episode in his life.
Because he can make money off it. He doesn't care about his fans to actually put in the effort, and his fans don't care, just so long as he gives them politics to get angry at.
F***ING PRONOUNS!!!!!!!!!!
Love that he became a meme and then coped about it.
The episode shows it's polite to ask someone's pronouns, however it's ok if it takes you a while to process and if you make mistakes as it helps towards mutual respect and understanding.
I concur. My only problems with it were, 1) I feel like The Doctor of all people would ask someone’s pronouns after so many years of time and space and meeting aliens that don’t have human gender, after all, his race literally don’t have that concept, 2) I wish Rose was more of a character.
@@samuelbarber6177 I did think this, I feel like The Doctor was being beaten down a bit, as now male presenting, in order to boost up the women and the marginalized characters. It was the bit at then end that irked me where Donna and Rose said he wouldn't understand because he's male presenting, despite being a women a few hours ago. I just don't think making fun of men or reverse sexism is needed in order to celebrate women.
One thing I've noticed watching a few Fandom Menace podcasts is that there is something very important missing in them that is present in most other shows that discuss media: discourse. As anyone who is old enough to remember Siskel and Ebert will tell you, people get very passionate about media they like and often times they won't always agree on a given piece of media. One of my favorite podcasts is Castle Super Beast with Pat and Woolie of Two Best Friends fame, and they'll get in disagreements over video games or other media from time to time. But I honestly can't think of a single example of any these Fandom Menace influencers ever having a major disagreement with each other. The closest thing I can think of is when they finally kicked Overlord DVD to the curb for constantly reporting on inaccurate "leaks" from the entertainment industry. The fact that there is very little disagreement between them regarding the media they consume shows just how much groupthink has set in with them. It's gotten to the point where one of them will either misinterpret or straight up make up something that they saw in a TV show or movie, the rest of them will nod in agreement that it happened, and before you know it you'll see their followers repeating it all over social media. It really is pathetic how they no longer seem to have any independent thought whatsoever.
Roger Ebert, what a damn good reviewer.
Your opinion. Plenty of their audience disagree on some of their individual takes... they frequently disagree with each other. Doesn't stop us from thinking and liking their content/critique, which is far more driven by story and worldbuilding... or its absence. That absence makes it all very obvious when then delivering "the message"... and they call it out because the shill media won't.
I love how Dave Cullen says it’s time for everyone to let this stuff go, like that’s gonna last. Dave’s gotta pay the bills.
Dave Cullen is a theocractic fascist nutjob who literally said he only converted to Christianity to own the libs and cites Neo Nazi flat earther Owen Benjamin as a credible source. Fuck. Him.
Either that or he's still trying to deny the fact he is deep in the closet and is lashing out at the world as a result (either that or I'm overestimating the power the Catholic Church has in Ireland).
@@jackmonaghan8477 there’s nothing about Dave that’s ever screamed “closeted gay man” to me, but he is terrified of having empathy.
When Heels vs Babyface is talking about how changing Davros is an example of erasing disabled heroes. Is he insinuating that Davros is a hero to him? The guy who is modeled after Nazi scientists. The guy who has been one of the main villains of the series for decades. He's the one you want to unironically start support hash tags for? It makes me doubt that heels vs Babyface knows what a heel or a babyface is.
Even during my (regretable) antisjw phase I still thought that he was extremely cringe.
saying the quiet part out load.
He is evil, but I can't help but admire a good villain 😊
I first saw him doing a review of Commando with the Critical Drinker and thought he was really funny. He certainly didn't say anything hateful or whiny for the entire livestream, so I subscribed to his channel.
Unfortunately, that turned out to very much be the exception to the rule and I found his moany content quite tedious and unsubscribed.
Then, on another livestream he was guesting on, I witnessed him launch into a five minute transphobic rant, apropos of nothing, aimed at Elliott Page. The other people on the stream just sat in awkward silence, before casually changing the subject...
we need more videos like this!!! keep up the fight 💪💪💪
PSA: Changed the title from "Alt-Right" to "Conservatives" because it was, unironically, triggering lots of viewers.
These people just hate everything, life must be miserable for these people. I love both episodes. The new Tardis design is beautiful and The Giggle looking great already.
Bowlestrek is someone who would look at your "The Year Doctor Who DIED" video and think it was earnest criticism instead of the parody mocking reviewers like him that it was
I mean, a few months ago, he did say that the show started to become s*it after 1996.
Its been a long painful watch but hearing you just burst out with "oh, you WORM" out of shock was hilarious
The problem with The Meep pronoun scene is it makes Rose look like a pedant. I know trans people and they don’t go around policing other peoples interactions with any new person that they meet. If they have a mixture of masculine and feminine characteristics they will just bring up their language preferences casually in conversation themselves.
It actually paints a negative image of trans people. Most trans people are more chill than this and the episode does trans people a dis-service by making them out to be busy-bodies, policing everyone’s social interactions. It’s a problem which is exacerbated by the character being so underwritten.
I know this won’t be a popular opinion here, but that’s how I feel about it.
Also the lines at the end about how the Doctor, like Rose is both male and female and neither and more was really tone deaf. Trans woman don’t see themselves as both male and female and neither and more, they just see themselves as female.
Maybe I didn’t get it and she decided in that moment she wasn’t a trans woman and was instead non-binary, but I think if that’s the case, RTD’s introduction of the first trans character in Doctor Who is undercut by having her change from a trans woman to a non-binary person by the end of the episode and I reckon he probably shouldn’t have done that if he wanted this creative choice to have resonance.
I don't think that's what Rose said about herself, but I'd have to watch it again.
Its not policing irs correcting someone
Okay, I discussed the backlash with my friends (and I always listen to my friends because they're funny, civilised people), and here's my conclusion:
The "woke stuff" (is "woke" even a real word? It just sounds wack, as if a five-year-old just invented it out of nowhere without setting a definition properly) is subtle. As in, I didn't even notice that Rose was non-binary until the end, because I was to busy having fun with the return of David Tennant and Catherine Tate, not to mention THE MEEP!
And even then, I wasn't offended at all when I did put two and two together, because Rose is a nice character, and any pronoun is as cool as bowties (they're universally cool, and they'll always will be).
The opinions of those "fans" are especially stupid, because Russell T. Davies effectively started out by making shows that actively promote what some would call "wokeness" (for example, Queer As Folk). Not to mention, the revival (as well as expanded universe stuff in the Wilderness Years, like Izzy Sinclair and Fitz Kreiner) has always been about LGBT representation, so why bother bring up that you hate that sort of thing now? Yep, these videos were OBVIOUSLY made by "diehard fandom".
And finally, Doctor Who is supposed to be a celebration of humanity AS A WHOLE. If it weren't, we'd just end up stuck in a Hell where The Celestial Toymaker is always praised, rather than rightfully criticised, for being an Oriental stereotype whose sentient dolls spout off the N-word whenever (thank goodness that we now have Neil Patrick Harris to the rescue). That'd just be horrible, and we wouldn't have had a Revival if Doctor Who was just that sort of thing.
"The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common: they don't alter their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views."
-Tom Baker, "The Face of Evil".
That last quote fits the trans people SO WELL JAJAJAJAJA
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I thout the fraze "oriantal" was consisored offincive
Sounds more like a way do discribe joowlry then a purson
@@plantainsame2049 Good point. I'll keep it in, though, for historical purposes.
@@mr.vanillamilkshake3 abd il try to lurn how to spell lol
Getting recommended videos from people like this is an unfortunate side effect of following the Official Doctor Who CZcams channel.
After all this! I just hope Yasmin Finny is okay!
Honestly, Gate of Theories doesn't seem like an inherently bad guy. Maybe he goes too far with the whole Anti-Woke rhetoric, but I could see him and Mr TARDIS potentially having a debate, and both being reasonable and civilised with one-another (something of a lost art in today's climate).
The others may as well just put on their KKK hoods, or their "Troll Lives Matter" T-shirts, and be done with it.
You know. Im honestly surprised bowlstrek didnt deadname rose. I wont give him any points im just gobsmacked
I didn’t even realize they mentioned Rose’s deadname until my second viewing so it’s possible Bowlestrek, who’s blind with rage all the time, juts missed it
He’s too lazy
according to his twitter/X, Bowlestrek watched the Star Beast three times to review it and claims "f*ck my life!" after watching it
Makes me wonder why we don't see more Dalek stories end with the Daleks self-destructing, given the real deals like to hit such a button.
I thought he gave up watching after the first episode of series 11. And the 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10, special ,series12 episode 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10. flux, and 3 specials.
@@booradley8895 Daleks have also proven to be relentless. You could write an entire Dalek spinoff out of Bowlestrek's views, lies, goings on, etc.
Keep doing what you're doing. These people need to be called out. They are doing nothing but spreading hate. Representation is not propaganda. It's not wrong to have a few criticisms but you have a problem with even tiniest bit of representation, then you're wrong. There are fans who enjoy the new Doctor Who but these people making it out that if you enjoy it, then you're committing some sort of crime.
1:09:16 Well, episodes 1 and 2. He got the robot arm after the first duel with Dooku, but let's not split hairs.
Also, speaking of the prequels, the sheer anger these reactionaries have kinda reminds me of the post-surgery scene from the RotS novelization, except trapped in their own minds rather than their own bodies.
This is how it feels to be Bowlestrek, forever.
I feel like Gate of Theories is just a young guy leaving the far-right political bubble that a lot of teenage boys find themselves in, and are trying to realign himself politically but is struggling with past piases and viewpoints. What he's saying is something I think 19/20 year old me would have said - "I agree with more wokeness but this is *too* woke".
And sometimes he is close to having a decent point or understanding why, but just fully misses the end goal. Rose asking the Meep for pronouns can come off as forced and awkward, but Rose is a teenage trans girl - of course she's going to ask, pronouns are something that matters a lot to her. The "Let it go" line is similarly odd, but if you read it as Donna just having a jab at her best friend, which she is, then it works better.
Although I think changing that line to "Something *this face* could never do", rather than "Something men can't do" works better. Doesn't fit with the message but is so much less clunky and weird.
I'm pleasantly surprised that Bowlestrek didn't deadname Rose throughout his video, still absolutely insane 'points' being made and bigotry the whole way through though... There are some genuine criticisms to be made of The Star Beast that relate to the handling of Rose, but these people are so obsessed with being angry and hateful that they're incapable of landing on a single one of those criticisms.
I still find it funny he actually uses the correct pronouns for Rose.
He probably just couldn’t be bothered. He’s one of those people who is hateful but he’s also incredibly lazy.
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if they're the hateful ones then why is all of your time spent talking about how bad they are for being upset that a single party's politics have been aggressively injected into a once-great show
@@variaxi935 and why are you spending all of your time commenting at them about it? Not to mention the idea that politics has only recently appeared on the show is factually incorrect, and if anything the modern era is a whole lot less preachy than the past
Babe, wake up, MrTARDIS just released a 2 hour long take down video on the stupid conservatives 🥺❤
Great video, and thanks for putting the effort into it. Small point: virtue signalling isn't just talking about being virtuous, but actually _doing_ things to put oneself in a good light... such as rich, Tory supporting celebs doing "a lot of work for charidee".
Also (1:56:17) cis- actually means "the _same_ side as"; it's trans- that means "the opposite side of". In fact, the OED's earliest example of the cis- and trans- prefixes being used dates from 1662 (albeit not in the sense of gender)
The joke in "The Wild Blue Yonder" about THIS is the Doctor showing off his 2 Screwdrivers: I got my Sonic-Screwdriver AND I got this Non-Sonic-Screwdriver - Donner conters: you could just call it a Screwdriver!
43:05 I guess Bowlestrek doesn't realise that in the original 1980 Marvel UK Doctor Who comic strip as the fourth Doctor thinking that the Meep is a good guy till he finds out it isn't. So it isn't actually RTD coming up with the concept.
I'm trans. I wasn't aware I was supposed to have a message.
I have hit the Do Not Recommend This Channel button on them. I am an anti right type. Love Doctor Who.
David has a trans child which is brilliant that he is proud.
I hit the button too, but it doesn't seem to make a difference.
to Bowlestrek, if there is a black person in the corner of the screen as an extra, the white man main character is now being talked down to and the show is no longer good.
he would hate The Tenth Planet for having a black man probably too
you know you can put that comment on Bowlestrek channel right?
also if shirley was using an exo-skeleton or whatever that would mean she would have to be played by a non-disabled actor. more evidence that he just doesn’t want to see disabled people on tv or even give them jobs.
HeelvsBabyFace doesn't want to talk to women
Based on the content of the two specials we've seen so far, I think RTD is actively trying to purge the nazis from the fanbase as quickly as possible.
These American click baiters aren't even Doctor Who fans.. Even the likes of AZ aren't either it's laughable the crap they talk
So we've watched most of the classics...And loved most of new who untill it went what we would call woke..But we're not fans?? Well we're not fans now because the show is awful hence the viewing numbers...But we were. Just except we hate this crap and we will continue to voice our oppinions.
I remember an old tweet a couple of years ago from Geeks and Gamers saying he doesn’t watch the show. When somebody asked him if he watches Doctor Who. So why does he suddenly care about a show he has never been interested in?
Right so just because they are American and Don’t agree with the show now, That makes them not fans? Plus, what does the fact that they are American have to do with anything?
@@PurpleBoi69what makes me laughe is that we make videos giving criticism to a show we use to love..yet we dont attack them.. Infact we say if you like it then watch it..Everyone likes different things..This guy makes a video attacking everyone who doesn't like it..And he thinks we're the haters.
@@markmorris7123 exactly
I love how I don’t have to watch their videos to make fun of them thanks to you! 😂
Oh boy. A 2 hour long reactionary response. I’ll get my cider and toffee popcorn on standby.
I bet very soon we’ll be getting more of this in the coming days because people will complain about Isaac Newton (who is historically white to my knowledge) being played black and queer actor, Nathanial Curtis who you might recognise as Ash from It’s a Sin. It’s great that collaborators from RTD’s other work can make in Doctor Who.
It does tickle me that the "colour-blind" casting of Isaac Newton will totally blow the minds of the right sort of people. I didn't notice it was the same guy I already saw in "It's a Sin", because the huge 17th century wig makes him look totally different. But I didn't like that scene for other reasons (ie, how is the Doctor in an emergency situation if he can stop and have a chat with Newton, change the English word "mavity", and then get back in the Tardis and still crash out of control in a spaceship millions of light years beyond the edge of the universe)
Clearly Russell is an avid viewer of Mr Tardis and wants more material for these videos lol
@@paulhammond6978 well its not really colour blind casting when its chosen. i have yet to see colour blind casting swing the other way
Colour-blind casting was intended to give actors a chance to play classical characters from which they were previous barred. There's only so many times you can play Othello before wanting to try your hand at the Prince of Denmark.
Here, it's just confusing in a show that was meant to get children excited about history. Since Isaac Newton isn't a fictional character, and this is so obviously incorrect, it's only been placed there to generate unrest. And when the showrunner seems hell-bent on upsetting fans, I don't see how this helps anyone. But I'm sure my point will be lost in all the shouting. 😢
You know, it’s stuff like this that makes the Sixth Doctor story “Jubilee” even more relevant.
The world moves on, some people do not. It's depressing to see people who genuinely seem invested in pop culture properties like Star Trek and Doctor Who fail to absorb any of the positive messaging about compassion, identity, tolerance and the diversity that exists not just in the strange alien creatures these characters meet but within the human race itself. Poor media literacy is a terrible illness.
I wonder if they'll get upset about Donna saying "Did they throw him out? Her out. Them out." when talking about a dead alien horse who she knows nothing about.
Some people have literally nothing better to do 🙄
Still confused how the Doctor knows that horse alien was female just by seeing her floating in space in a space suit.
@@paulhammond6978 It was a language he's never see and presumably a species he's never met, so I assumed he found out when translating the stuff on screen. Like maybe he came across data about the previous crewmates? But yea the episode doesn't make it clear how he knew, that's just my best guess.
Great video Mr T. You have beautifully encapsulated my thoughts and frustration. As a Boomer on a steep learning curve these narrow views really frustrate me. I hope this gets a lot of views
Nerdrotic claiming that this is neither going to bring back old fans who fell off or bring in new fans...
Hello. Fan who kinda fell out of love with the show after Hell Bent here (though I did still *watch* two more seasons after it... But my actual emotional investment kinda died with that episode), coming in to say that I came back for the 60th anniversary specials and so far I have enjoyed both quite a lot. At this point I'm actually rather looking forward to the next season and am excited to see what Ncuti Gatwa's Doctor will be like,
As someone who’s love for the show also died with Hell Bent, criticism for the show has gotten so much worse. It’s strange all I need to prove Hell Bent is the worst Doctor Who episode of all time nowadays is just scream plot armor at the Storm Trooper aiming that happen at the barn.
@@casualcraftman1599
Those soldiers obviously missed the Doctor on purpose 🤦
@@Eternal_Sky_Tardis Storm Trooper aiming is NEVER a reason I hate anything, I was mocking idiots that were actually claiming Flux and Eve of the Daleks are bad because of Storm Trooper aiming. I haven't seen Flux or Eve of the Daleks and I can say with 100% certainly they ain't bad because of Storm Trooper aiming. If oversaturated villains are so easily ruined by Storm Trooper aiming, then they were never great to begin with.
HeelVsBabyface isn't even subtle about his grift. Massive Paypal donation and Patron subscribe signs virtually centre screen.
"the doctor isn't from anywhere and doesn't fit in anywhere" is a solid point. Like Moffat brought back gallifrey and bigged it up as the doctor searching for it but realised why?
The doctor ran AWAY from gallifray, their rarely returns willingly.
That unit soldier who gets hypnotised isn’t even white good grief
44:39 - Bowlestrek's review is especially sad because his description of the end of the episode indicates that he doesn't even follow and comprehend what is happening. Like it sounds like he doesn't understand why Donna didn't die. He just thinks it's because Rose is special. His brain is so full of hate he can't follow the plot of a fairly standard Doctor Who episode.
I don’t think he actually watched it.
The way people dont seem to understand, it is not the 10th Dr. Maybe the same face but IT IS NOT THE SAME DR!!.
I was waiting for u to bring this up. I been in the comments calling these clowns out
Thank you so much for this!
Social media for the past few days has been an absolute firestorm of the anti-woke brigade getting upset about the same stuff over and over again.
This whole video was therapeutic, thank you!
43:00 Bowelstrek showing his ignorance (of the franchise this time) assuming it was RTD making the Meep the villain.
I've been waiting for you to cover this and this was absolutely fantastic, thank you so much Mr TARDIS for providing facts and logic which these reactionaries simply never do, excellent work as always!
I knew Nerdrotic once. I remember him being a kind father to his autistic son and intervening when he was bullied in school. I guess some people view money as more important than consistent values
Good on him for being a good father to his kid.
I think Will, and this is purely my perception, a lot of right leaning commentators are annoyed at inclusivity and having to view the world beyond a white male leaning perspective. And it's notable the majority of complainants are white males. I am a white male as it happens too but I don't feel angry about inclusive content on Doctor Who. Of course pointing out white males complaining about inclusivity makes me a gas lighter in the eyes of Dave Cullen and others. For years societal norms marginalised women, disabled people, Blacks, Asians and any other non-white groups. Dave and the others want to keep it that way, represent majority views, not minorities. It's ignorant and bigoted. I used to like Dave and Nerdrotic etc years ago, but I'm just so fed up of the constant whining. I'm exicted to see Ncuti become the shows first Black Doctor, but we all know what's coming, the endless videos deriding the series for a Black Gay actor playing the lead, sarcastically calling it "stunning and brave".
I believe Doctor Who is for everyone. Watching content from these guys will just annoy and frustrate you Will. They're just ... well ... they're just bellends.
I wonder what other marginalised types of people will exist in a hundred years? Or five hundred years?
Nothing you do can ever satisfy conservatives, so just keep calm and carry on without them.
Love how these people accuse everyone else of being "NPCs" or whatever like we're all just following a mindless script and doing what we're told when these guys are so predictable and say the same shit it's laughable. Name a time they AREN'T projecting. To pull a Nerdrotic and shove in a pointless Capaldi quote from The Thick of It, "fucking robots".
Nerdrotic is so cringe
Mr.Tardis, you keep bringing up how the children’s in need Davros design is only a prequel design (which it is) but it’s also how he’ll look moving forward as stated by RTD, they have changed Davros’s design and timeline for the rest of the show.
He hasn't though...
You can still watch all those unedited Davros stories on the iPlayer. You've still got the DVD and Blu-Ray releases.
Nothing has changed about Davros in the past.
@@MrTARDISThe “rest of the show” means going forward doesn’t it? Nobody claims RTD replaced older appearances of Davros. But making this change for such a blatantly idiotic reason is what people are complaining about.
We don't know if Davros will ever come back. If he does, then it's time to complain.
2:02:11 dude thinks the overnight should be Voyage of the Damned level. 5 million is really good.
Unbelievable. "Positive rep of disabled people is a thing" (points at Prof X and Geordi La Forge)
Also Baby Face: "Great work Russell, now kids are going to be scared of disabled people firing rockets at them"
I loved Ironside growing up an awesome character with a great theme tune. Russell thinks there’s something wrong & now he wants us to think the same. The same with those that say Orcs are coded black & goblins are Jews. Sounds like a you problem
@@theoconstantinou2839 You know, the disabled = bad thing is an actual trope. Not that I think Davies making heavy handed comments when he didn't need to is actually a solution for that. But you might acknowledge that the problem is real before getting into whether retconning Davros out of a wheelchair is a sensible or stupid way to react to that problem.
I love that the showrunners knew how these folk would react, but just did it anyway. In other words, not pandering to their bigotry. Disabled, trans, gay, black folk, etc can't exist in a world with time travelling-police boxes, aliens, a guy with two hearts and all other sorts of crazy stuff for The Triggered Ones.
Because they’ll never be happy. So why even bother. And why would you even want to be seen to try pleasing these Daleks masquerading as people.
Yeah, but why is this alien from another world talking like present-day Earth humans? I'm not talking about speaking English. I'm talking about using specific vernacular like "chosen pronoun." Because I'm pretty sure the rest of the universe moved past "chosen pronouns" eons ago, so wouldn't this be a bit like someone from 100,000 BC asking you what your chosen foraging spot is? It's not even a thing for you.
That's my issue with it.
What's even more baffling is the role-reversal of Rose and the Doctor.
The Doctor: A 2000 year old Time Lord who has been to every corner of space and time and comes from a society that moved past this nonsense millennia ago.
Rose: A random present-day Earth teenager with absolutely no knowledge of the universe outside of high school science class.
Yet ROSE is the one shown being more considerate of Meep's "chosen pronoun" instead of the Doctor. That makes about as much sense as that idiotic resolution to the metacrisis, where RTD just says "fuck it" and has the characters say "let it go." Oh, and there again - somehow, the nobodies from Earth know more about how to fix this shit than the 2000 year old Time Lord. K.
Because the Doctor litterally spends majority of their time on Earth AND with humans maybe ? 😂
Also Rose is trans, the Doctor isnt, theyre not suffering from any sort of hate about their identity and dont feel the need to correct people that's called logic go eat some or eat shit idk
@@gay4sswhovian
*_Because the Doctor litterally spends majority of their time on Earth AND with humans maybe ?_*
Well...no, he doesn't.
Of the 155 original serials, only 30 of them were set on present-day Earth. Of the revival's 177 episodes, only 57 or so are set on present-day Earth.
And by the way, this is not accounting for the periods in the revival where he leaves Amy and Rory and later returns.
when did they make rose personality just trans? where did gate of theories come up with that?
Bold of you to assume that they actually watched it. Most of them are probably just regurgitating talking points from Twitter.😂
The only problem I had with rose that she looked like she was in her mid 20s then a teenager in high school.
It maybe hard@@matromc20 to find a 15 year old trans school girl.
Looking forward to next week for the mavity reaction episode
It’s so funny that these people hate the show yet can’t stop talking about them
Something I've seen go over most people's heads is that when Donna and Rose are repeating "Binary, Binary, Binary" - that's one of the last thing's Donna says as the DoctorDonna before the Doctor wipes her memory. She's remembering that event, and thus Rose is also remembering it. It's not a full on gender commentary (Although knowing RTD, he definitely saw it as a tongue in cheek moment as well.)
Always 'its irrelevant to the plot' when it IS THE PLOT. Also, a 'ratings failure' when it got 5 million views overnight
5 million viewers overnight is really good for regular TV nowadays. This people acting like the benchmark is City of Death Part Four’s 16 million
Feel like Mr TARDIS should do a CinemaSins style video for this sort of thing 😂