I don't know what Intamin employees have gone to Zamperla, but assuming it's mostly engineers/designers and Cedar Points issue with Intamin is with their management then I can see how having Intamin engineers at Zamperla would make them more willing to give them a chance, just so they don't have to deal with Intamin's management team, just a thought.
This is exactly what I was going to say. My guess is Cedar Fair's issue is wasn't with Intamin's designers and engineers as much as it was with the management team. If Intamin's management handled TTD's reliability and the Shoot the Rapids poorly then that could be what poisoned the well.
I agree, it may have more to do with the culture at Intamin. Here is an example; when Fury cracked, B&M stopped everything they were doing, sent a team and had the new support fabricated in a week. On the flip side, there is Xcelerlator!
This is what I came here to say, Cedar Fair may not have had any issues with the coaster side of Intamin but rather could have been with the financial side or as mentioned above the management aide
I think the relationship between CF and intamin have more to do with the upper management at intamin that's still there rather than the engineers and the people who went over to Zamperla.
My guess is that Cedar Fair's main reason to work with Zamperla is because of their lightning trains. The final nail in the coffin with the original Dragster was the piece coming off of the train and hitting the guest, which is impossible to happen with the lightning train.
Nope..a piece can fly off any ride,any train at any time.Thats why they are freak accidents. All the inspections in the world won't prevent things from happening that we can see..Metal fatigues and starts cracking at microscopic levels..It can happen to anyone
What happened with the Flag Plate dislodging from The Green Train was a Complete Freak Accident. But you have to realize something that may have lead to the Flag Plate dislodging from The Train. When Cedar Point is done with The Non-Destructive Maintenance on The Rollercoaster Trains, Maintenance will return The Trains to the Rollercoaster Site, BUT!! They're sitting on the Main Midway, Next to The Ride, so The Trains are exposed Directly to the elements. Snow, and The Salt that The Maintenance Teams do use to keep The Midways Cleared, because That's The Most Busiest Time. The Off-Season. It Absolutely Sounds Like That Flag Plate had erosion that Wasn't Noticed, Leading Up to The Freak Accident. I have a feeling that when the Non-Destructive Maintenance is done now will The Trains, They're being Installed Directly onto The Tracks, and Wrapped in Protective Plastic for Protection. If you look at Pics from Winter Chill Out, There's Pics of The Rollercoaster Trains sitting on The Midway in Snow.🎢❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️
@@ninjagirl226 The new trains will be reaching their limits with TT2. It's crazy how CF didn't want to gamble with Intamin again, yet they are taking a huge gamble with Zamperla, their new untested trains, and them being new to big coaster projects. Intamin, on the other hand, has had 20 years since they built Top Thrill to improve and mature.
Once we finnaly get a chance to ride top thrill 2 i bet we will all love it. I was a huge fan of the og dragster and have a rollback credit. I think TT2 will be a huge upgrade
So would Top Thrill 2 be (technically) the first true hybrid coaster if this is an Intamin-Zamperla crossover event? Also Mack Rides doing TT2 woulda been a pretty sick idea. Imagine them making a 420ft, Steel-Taipan style spike instead of the straight, vertical spike that Zamperla are putting in
Something tells me Mack would figure out a way to get a train launched a 50mph up a 400 for spike. They smart like that. I'm still waiting for the day Copperhead stalls in one of those loops, but it never does.
It makes sense because we as coaster enthusiasts only think of coaster manufacturers in terms of their ride design, whereas parks think of manufacturers in terms of their long-term support that they offer for maintenance and downtime prevention. Intamin is notorious for not keeping a stock of spare parts at the ready and this causes parks to routinely wait long periods to have them manufactured and oftentimes at the back end of a waiting list. From the perspective of a industrial customer, it makes perfect sense to choose a manufacturer that has the same exact ride design team that you enjoyed previously, but has better logistics
When I think of my favorite coasters. I think of fantastic trains and comfortability, airtime, and launches. Technically this has all 3. And you guys really have to figure out that you go from 0-74, 0-100 and 0-120. No small increases. Like the numbers are throwing everyone for a mental loop.
@Spike-sk7ql each direction change has a moment of zero. Zero acceleration and speed in either direction. Then gravity kicks in. Even tho all 3 launches don't start at the zero point, you are still going from zero to 100+ mph
Maybe the new Six Flags has plans to eventually add a B and M giga at Cedar Point. Not sure where but could be in the cards. I’m loving the new look of Top Thrill 2 and can’t wait to check it out. Also, I didn’t know that some of the old Intamin regime are now with Zamperla. That actually makes me feel better about this.
This is why I love B&M. They make great yet sometimes generic rides. They definitely stay in the box with what they do best. Cedar point ask for bids to redo Dragster, the other Manufacturers put in redesign bids. B&M is like, nope... Tear this s*&+ down, lets put in a Giga. 😂
Not hard to understand. Simple Cedar Fair has no issue with the engineers but they do have issue with the owners and administration at Intimin. This may stem from Intimins failure to fix the original customer. I deal with two phone companies. One had many engineers leave and go to the new company. There they created and did the things the other company failed to do or address. We went with the new company and they are bending over backwards for us to gain all our business. This is how it works out there in the business jungle.
I really can't stand the fact that people hate on Zamperla so much, give them a chance. I thought enthusiasts are supposed to embrace parks and ride manufacturer s and not rip them to threads
Hey Brandon, you mentioned that zamperla had the cheapest bid for the reimreimagined dragster, do you know how much that bid was specifically? Do you think that number will eventually be released publicly?
Maybe it wasn't the workers who switched over to Zamperla that Cedar Fair didn't want to work with, but like, upper management still at Intamin. Or it just doesn't matter at all to them and ONLY the lowest price matters. They'll likely regret that choice though. Just like in construction, the cheapest bid is never what you want to go with. Unless it's only like 5% off or something, a normal variation.
Your comments are very factual as usual. Was wondering when you were going too voice your opinion even I was thinking what you stated and I’m sure not as informed as u are. Wishing you and your family 🎃🍁🎃Happy Thanksgiving 🎃🍁🎃😊
It would make sense to have ex intamin employees (now with zamperla) to work on an intamin ride if they weren't going to hire intamin to do the job. They would already be familiar with ins and outs of the coaster.
It’s usually the sales or senior management that is the people dealing with the customer. The rank and file site employees have little to do with customer relations. Besides, Dragster was built so long ago, many of the people who worked on it would be retired.
The construction videos seem to reveal that Zampintaminerla is doing a great job with Top Thrill 2. Still, I really wish that Cedar Flags went with more LSMs halfway up the top hat to provide a true rollback experience from near the top during the initial launch - and an airtime speed hill between the launches. And the name Top Thrill 2 is a flop thrill too. 🤦🏻♂️ The company could have come up with a much better name, like Sky Bolt Skull Crush or something more exciting than TT2 🌤️⚡️💀🔨💥 However, I am grateful that Top Thrill Dragster wasn’t renamed Batman the Ride, Goliath or even Kingda Ka 2. 😅🙏🏽
The B&M Giga would have been nice. But I think I would have wanted the Mack idea. I can imagine a bigger version of Beyond The Cloud in that area. Which would have been sick.
I can’t think of the name, but there is a woody coaster company that had engineers form a new company after its bankruptcy. There are several factors and levels to a company as others pointed out already, so it is hard to say.
Former Custom Coasters International employees started both the Gravity Group and Great Coasters International. CCI themselves were related to other companies like The Dinn Corp. I believe Denise Dinn went to S&S after CCI folded.
Am I the only one who thinks adding a b&m giga to cedar point is redundant with millennium force in the same park. Imo it doesn’t make sense to add another giga to the park because it doesn’t add any diversity to their lineup.
I don't know for fact what manufacturers submitted as bids, but if Intamin was given an opportunity they may have submitted a bid to remove and replace. I think it's fair to assume that Cedar Fair and Intamin look at the Accelerator experiment as a business failure. I think it's fair to assume that Intamin would have preferred starting fresh.
@@ellexking9136 they need MOAR, preferably near the front of the park to help alleviate crowds in frontier town. Something else to draw people away from Maverick and Steve
@@trollmylove Even If Cedar Point would add a Giga Rollercoaster in the front of the park, Maverick, and Steel Vengeance will Still be Very Popular. I don't know how far you go back, But when Cedar Point added Corkscrew in 1976, and Gemini in 1978, The Jumbo Jet was Still VERY POPULAR, giving Over a Million Rides in its last 2 Unannounced Years of Operation that ended at The End of The 78 season. You know there's a saying. A Rollercoaster doesn't have to be The Longest, Tallest, Steepest, and The Fastest to be Great. Both Maverick and Steel Vengeance offers 5 ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Rides. That will Never Die like it did for Magnum XL2Painful. Janky, and Painful.🤣
I've never understood Cedar Fair's hatred towards certain manufactures including RMC when literally no other chain has any problems with them. If anything, they should blame themselves for having poor maintenance and that they need to step it up. It's easier to blame the manufactures for their problems but they also need to consider what they are doing to negatively impact their rides as well.
You’re the man dude. Yes, you predicted a giga to replace top thrill 2. That’s funny that B&M suggested a giga to replace top thrill as well. You need to be hired at B&M dude. Remember to smile today and keep riding coasters.
Well, intimin is still intimin when the management has not been changed. I think the reason why they will not work with intimin is because of decisions management made, and not the ones of the employees.
It can make perfect sense. This is purely hypothetical, but nobody knows how intamin as a business works. Maybe they aren’t a good company to work for and that’s why employees leave (HYPOTHETICAL). For example, just because intamin are unreliable doesn’t mean that the employees who have left - are. Zamperla may have better business acumen. May be better at making decisions. May make better choices. We just have no idea but just because Zamperla has ex intamin employees doesn’t mean they are another version of intamin.
Cedar Point seems to be acting like Zamperla is the only ones they talked to, which doesn't impress me. Wondering how you have this information, but it makes more sense. The thing about the "cheapest bid" is it depends on the scale. I'm guessing even Zamp could easily cost them $15M or maybe 10 for taking a chance. Intamin was almost surely double that. It's not just a few bucks, it's the difference between the project being worthwhile or B&M having the right idea with just starting over.
Brandon are you in Ohio or in Charlotte, NC? I always thought you were in Charlotte but you mentioned making videos in Ohio. Just curious! Remember to smile today and keep ridin coasters 😎
It's actually very simple: it's all about $. especially now in the U.S. with inflation. Cedar Point also already has one of only 6 full LAYOUT giga coasters in the world and it's not even as good as Steel Vengeance which is also in the park, so a Strata coaster of any kind gives this park what it needs to fill in that record breaking gap. In conclusion: I'm thinking more positively about this coaster than you are; now's not the time to complain that I'm being negative. You are. Cheer up, my friend! In turn: you can cheer me up when I'm "down" later. It's like a roller coaster or something. ;) Take your own advice and be positive or whatever. 😉❤
Why is it ironic? What’s so hard to understand? Cedar fair doesn’t want to work with Intamin…. They never said anything about the engineers and designers. I just don’t see the need for this video.
@@TP_Recommendations Well here's a shout-out from the Glass City 😎 next time you're at CP I'll try to stop by if I can and say hey... I've been going to cedar point since I've been 2...
I think Cedar Point dropped the ball with this "Reimagining". They could've easily went for the height record and they could've easily extended the track. What a waste to have all that energy coming down from the top hat just to have it come to a sudden stop.....smh
Cedar Fair probably doesn't have beef with the actual engineers designing the rides at Intamin, it's likely management vs management. Cedar Fair has an excellent relationship with Zamperla, so a bunch of former Intamin guys working there is great as they now have access to that talent without having to deal with their Intamin baggage.
Cedar Fair probably didn't like working with Intamin Corporate/Management which is probably why you saw a bunch of Intamin Employees jump ship to Zamperla. Bad management/corporate structure is the #1 cause for a mass Exodus of employees. Id be willing to bet Zamperla is wanting to make a big splash into the coaster market and are offering the former Intamin Employees much more creative freedom than what Intamin was offering. Like one of the previous comments said, id be willing to bet most of those former employees are ride designers/engineers.
There is tons of reasons why they didn't go with Intamin and it has nothing to do with some former engineers going to work for Zamperla. Intamin's final product was constantly plagued with issues and management was extremely tough to work with to get those resolved. Sandor Kernacs was awful to work with from my understanding. Intamin also failed to get service products and materials out in a timely manner. Then also take into account the long string of failures with Intamin rides not just at Cedar Fair but other companies as well. After Skyrush Hershey isn't working with Intamin anymore either.
I think they are going to replace magnum with something game changing, as to why they didn't replace top thrill with a coaster as it sits so close to Magnum. as far as the employees, that's not abnormal in a niche field. I think a lot of broken promises and ride issues is the reasoning behind the lack of confidence in INTamin
Hey there Brandon, I really like your new video! 😃👍👍 This is something that’s rather confusing. I mean, Cedar Fair doesn’t want to work with Intamin anymore, but they hired Zamperla to design and reimagine Top Thrill 2 at Cedar Point?!?! However, Zamperla is filled with ex-Intamin employees. It’s 100% mind-boggling here! We’ll just have to see how things work in the next few weeks.
Wait, so Cedar Fair took an unsolicited bid from Intamin to fix TTD. Odd! At least thats what it sounds like since you said Intamin put together a bid for this, and you said Cedar Fair wont work with Intamin. So it muat have been unsolicited. Odd!
Hey Brandon hope you're well. I'm just speculating but it could be one of these two scenarios 1. Intamin has/wants to wash their hands and distance themselves from Top Thrill. This would explain why CF is going to Zamperla who is basically Intamin Jr. Right now with the employee shift. I don't know enough of the facts to be sure, but this could explain the situation. 2. I know the aftermath of the accident is not pretty at all. It could also be reversed. CF doesn't want to work with Intamin but has an opportunity to use Intamin knowledge by working with Zamperla who has ex Intamin employees. This would also explain the decision. Not work with Intamin (for unknown reason) yet still have engineers who have vast knowledge of Intamin. Anywho. Haven't commented in awhile. Day job is crazy busy. I miss my ride op days and sometimes dream of going back to the industry. Lol Take care friend. Maybe next summer we can meet up, ride some coasters and just have some fun.
do you think they chose the lowest bidder because they knew the six flags merger was coming down the pike? I hope they manage to get the high iron finished on the spike before the weather goes down the crapper. it's supposed to be warm through next week. by rights, we should be in the death grip of winter by now so this is unseasonably warm by northeast Ohio standards
Think of it this way, lets say the management sucks at Intamin and all the good people left to work for zamperla... Cedar Point is still working with intamin, theyre just called zamperla now lol
Perhaps Intiman, and Zamprela have Secretly Merged into 1 Company, and Keeping it Secret??🤣 It's Intiman That's Actually doing All of the Electrical Systems, Structural, and Track Work, and Zamprela is Supplying their Lightning Trains?? God I Hope that's The Case!!!🙏🏾🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It's a PR nightmare. It's the name Intamin they don't want asso iated with the park. Shoot the Rapids almost killed 8 people when it broke and flipped. That's my guess
There's nothing puzzling about it, your just making a nonsense video per usual. Intamin engineers getting hired over to Zamperla started happening 4 to 5 years ago when Zamperla started revamping their lineups. This is a nothing burger, the issue with Intamin were likely with management being asses about their stuff breaking down and not offering good support.
I don't know what Intamin employees have gone to Zamperla, but assuming it's mostly engineers/designers and Cedar Points issue with Intamin is with their management then I can see how having Intamin engineers at Zamperla would make them more willing to give them a chance, just so they don't have to deal with Intamin's management team, just a thought.
Yes, I was going to say the same thing. This decision seems to highlight that the problem lies in the management.
This is exactly what I was going to say. My guess is Cedar Fair's issue is wasn't with Intamin's designers and engineers as much as it was with the management team. If Intamin's management handled TTD's reliability and the Shoot the Rapids poorly then that could be what poisoned the well.
I agree, it may have more to do with the culture at Intamin. Here is an example; when Fury cracked, B&M stopped everything they were doing, sent a team and had the new support fabricated in a week. On the flip side, there is Xcelerlator!
I'm sure a lot of coaster companies have employee crossover since its such a niche industry
This is what I came here to say, Cedar Fair may not have had any issues with the coaster side of Intamin but rather could have been with the financial side or as mentioned above the management aide
I think the relationship between CF and intamin have more to do with the upper management at intamin that's still there rather than the engineers and the people who went over to Zamperla.
It could be the insurance company objected to new Intamin rides, and you outed the work around.
My guess is that Cedar Fair's main reason to work with Zamperla is because of their lightning trains. The final nail in the coffin with the original Dragster was the piece coming off of the train and hitting the guest, which is impossible to happen with the lightning train.
Other things can happen with the new trains, so don't say it's impossible
@@timothykaczmarek5871Agreed. New untested trains going how fast. Yeah…we’ll see.
Nope..a piece can fly off any ride,any train at any time.Thats why they are freak accidents. All the inspections in the world won't prevent things from happening that we can see..Metal fatigues and starts cracking at microscopic levels..It can happen to anyone
What happened with the Flag Plate dislodging from The Green Train was a Complete Freak Accident. But you have to realize something that may have lead to the Flag Plate dislodging from The Train. When Cedar Point is done with The Non-Destructive Maintenance on The Rollercoaster Trains, Maintenance will return The Trains to the Rollercoaster Site, BUT!! They're sitting on the Main Midway, Next to The Ride, so The Trains are exposed Directly to the elements. Snow, and The Salt that The Maintenance Teams do use to keep The Midways Cleared, because That's The Most Busiest Time. The Off-Season. It Absolutely Sounds Like That Flag Plate had erosion that Wasn't Noticed, Leading Up to The Freak Accident. I have a feeling that when the Non-Destructive Maintenance is done now will The Trains, They're being Installed Directly onto The Tracks, and Wrapped in Protective Plastic for Protection. If you look at Pics from Winter Chill Out, There's Pics of The Rollercoaster Trains sitting on The Midway in Snow.🎢❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️
@@ninjagirl226 The new trains will be reaching their limits with TT2. It's crazy how CF didn't want to gamble with Intamin again, yet they are taking a huge gamble with Zamperla, their new untested trains, and them being new to big coaster projects. Intamin, on the other hand, has had 20 years since they built Top Thrill to improve and mature.
Once we finnaly get a chance to ride top thrill 2 i bet we will all love it. I was a huge fan of the og dragster and have a rollback credit. I think TT2 will be a huge upgrade
So would Top Thrill 2 be (technically) the first true hybrid coaster if this is an Intamin-Zamperla crossover event?
Also Mack Rides doing TT2 woulda been a pretty sick idea. Imagine them making a 420ft, Steel-Taipan style spike instead of the straight, vertical spike that Zamperla are putting in
Something tells me Mack would figure out a way to get a train launched a 50mph up a 400 for spike. They smart like that. I'm still waiting for the day Copperhead stalls in one of those loops, but it never does.
What's the difference between Zamperla redoing an Intamin coaster and RMC redoing a Curtis Summers coaster?
Question about another new coaster. Does anyone have any idea when the new Fire in the Hole will open. Trying to plan around the opening if possible.
They shoulda tore it down and broke out the checkbook for that B&M..How awesome would that have been
It makes sense because we as coaster enthusiasts only think of coaster manufacturers in terms of their ride design, whereas parks think of manufacturers in terms of their long-term support that they offer for maintenance and downtime prevention. Intamin is notorious for not keeping a stock of spare parts at the ready and this causes parks to routinely wait long periods to have them manufactured and oftentimes at the back end of a waiting list. From the perspective of a industrial customer, it makes perfect sense to choose a manufacturer that has the same exact ride design team that you enjoyed previously, but has better logistics
When I think of my favorite coasters. I think of fantastic trains and comfortability, airtime, and launches.
Technically this has all 3. And you guys really have to figure out that you go from 0-74, 0-100 and 0-120.
No small increases. Like the numbers are throwing everyone for a mental loop.
How can you go from 0 to 100, and 0-120 on a swing launch??? It's not going to be stopping.
@Spike-sk7ql each direction change has a moment of zero. Zero acceleration and speed in either direction. Then gravity kicks in. Even tho all 3 launches don't start at the zero point, you are still going from zero to 100+ mph
Interesting to hear about Mack rides. Hopefully it leads way to the possibility of them doing an extreme spinner there since they're working together
Yes!!! Time traveler was bonkers
Maybe the new Six Flags has plans to eventually add a B and M giga at Cedar Point. Not sure where but could be in the cards. I’m loving the new look of Top Thrill 2 and can’t wait to check it out. Also, I didn’t know that some of the old Intamin regime are now with Zamperla. That actually makes me feel better about this.
We shall see! hope you're well bro!
Do you know what the other bidders wanted to do? Per manufacturer?
This is why I love B&M. They make great yet sometimes generic rides. They definitely stay in the box with what they do best. Cedar point ask for bids to redo Dragster, the other Manufacturers put in redesign bids. B&M is like, nope... Tear this s*&+ down, lets put in a Giga. 😂
Probably not how that went lol. I'm sure they asked multiple different manufacturers to bid on multiple proposals.
I've always had hope of a BM Giga coming to Cedar Point. Imagine if they named it Magnum XXL 300.
Magnum XXL2PAINFUL!!!🤣‼️
Not hard to understand. Simple Cedar Fair has no issue with the engineers but they do have issue with the owners and administration at Intimin. This may stem from Intimins failure to fix the original customer.
I deal with two phone companies. One had many engineers leave and go to the new company. There they created and did the things the other company failed to do or address.
We went with the new company and they are bending over backwards for us to gain all our business.
This is how it works out there in the business jungle.
I really can't stand the fact that people hate on Zamperla so much, give them a chance. I thought enthusiasts are supposed to embrace parks and ride manufacturer s and not rip them to threads
I don’t think I ripped them to threads? I am intrigued and curious about zamperla :)
Hey Brandon, you mentioned that zamperla had the cheapest bid for the reimreimagined dragster, do you know how much that bid was specifically? Do you think that number will eventually be released publicly?
I have heard around 16 million :)
I feel it would’ve been weird having a B&M Giga here
And that would be WHY??
@@timothykaczmarek5871 It would look unnatural
@@rollercoasterheaven2170 And a giant penis with lights is not 'out of place'?
Maybe it wasn't the workers who switched over to Zamperla that Cedar Fair didn't want to work with, but like, upper management still at Intamin. Or it just doesn't matter at all to them and ONLY the lowest price matters. They'll likely regret that choice though. Just like in construction, the cheapest bid is never what you want to go with. Unless it's only like 5% off or something, a normal variation.
Your comments are very factual as usual. Was wondering when you were going too voice your opinion even I was thinking what you stated and I’m sure not as informed as u are. Wishing you and your family 🎃🍁🎃Happy Thanksgiving 🎃🍁🎃😊
It would make sense to have ex intamin employees (now with zamperla) to work on an intamin ride if they weren't going to hire intamin to do the job. They would already be familiar with ins and outs of the coaster.
Maybe it's the difference in the two companies warranty policies.
It’s usually the sales or senior management that is the people dealing with the customer. The rank and file site employees have little to do with customer relations. Besides, Dragster was built so long ago, many of the people who worked on it would be retired.
How does anyone know who work for Zamperla? What employees worked for Intimin, it all sounds like speculation to me.
Love the videos I’ve been watching awhile. I don’t understand it either 😂, truly what was the point. Should have just went with intimate
Thank you very much :)
Great point, Brandon!
The construction videos seem to reveal that Zampintaminerla is doing a great job with Top Thrill 2.
Still, I really wish that Cedar Flags went with more LSMs halfway up the top hat to provide a true rollback experience from near the top during the initial launch - and an airtime speed hill between the launches.
And the name Top Thrill 2 is a flop thrill too. 🤦🏻♂️
The company could have come up with a much better name, like Sky Bolt Skull Crush or something more exciting than TT2
🌤️⚡️💀🔨💥
However, I am grateful that Top Thrill Dragster wasn’t renamed Batman the Ride, Goliath or even Kingda Ka 2. 😅🙏🏽
The B&M Giga would have been nice. But I think I would have wanted the Mack idea. I can imagine a bigger version of Beyond The Cloud in that area. Which would have been sick.
I can’t think of the name, but there is a woody coaster company that had engineers form a new company after its bankruptcy. There are several factors and levels to a company as others pointed out already, so it is hard to say.
Former Custom Coasters International employees started both the Gravity Group and Great Coasters International. CCI themselves were related to other companies like The Dinn Corp. I believe Denise Dinn went to S&S after CCI folded.
What was Intamins proposal on TT2?
wonder what Vekoma's idea was
Am I the only one who thinks adding a b&m giga to cedar point is redundant with millennium force in the same park. Imo it doesn’t make sense to add another giga to the park because it doesn’t add any diversity to their lineup.
I predict this was Zamperla's sales pitch..."Give us Dragster and we'll give you a mouse."
I don't know for fact what manufacturers submitted as bids, but if Intamin was given an opportunity they may have submitted a bid to remove and replace. I think it's fair to assume that Cedar Fair and Intamin look at the Accelerator experiment as a business failure. I think it's fair to assume that Intamin would have preferred starting fresh.
I agree cedar point needs a coaster like fury a real people eater
Cedar Point already has a People Eater Rollercoaster!! Millennium Force!! 9 Car Trains is DEFINITELY a BIG PLUS!!!
@@ellexking9136 they need MOAR, preferably near the front of the park to help alleviate crowds in frontier town. Something else to draw people away from Maverick and Steve
@@trollmylove Even If Cedar Point would add a Giga Rollercoaster in the front of the park, Maverick, and Steel Vengeance will Still be Very Popular. I don't know how far you go back, But when Cedar Point added Corkscrew in 1976, and Gemini in 1978, The Jumbo Jet was Still VERY POPULAR, giving Over a Million Rides in its last 2 Unannounced Years of Operation that ended at The End of The 78 season. You know there's a saying. A Rollercoaster doesn't have to be The Longest, Tallest, Steepest, and The Fastest to be Great. Both Maverick and Steel Vengeance offers 5 ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Rides. That will Never Die like it did for Magnum XL2Painful. Janky, and Painful.🤣
@@ellexking9136Oh they'll draw crowds for sure but it will be lessened with another marquee attraction located on the complete other side of the park
if this is true then that’s good news for the future of the merged company and intamin
Top Thrill 2 is going to be amazing but I just can’t get over the pedestrian launches. Should have went with the B&M bid.
I don’t want a b&m to be making the worlds best coaster honestly
I wish B&M would have won the bid & built a massive giga!
I've never understood Cedar Fair's hatred towards certain manufactures including RMC when literally no other chain has any problems with them. If anything, they should blame themselves for having poor maintenance and that they need to step it up. It's easier to blame the manufactures for their problems but they also need to consider what they are doing to negatively impact their rides as well.
your from ohio??? I thought your homepark is carowinds?! I'm confused
what you said is correct. I am from Ohio. Born and raised.
However, I haven't lived there in 19 years :)
Carowinds is my home park :)
You’re the man dude. Yes, you predicted a giga to replace top thrill 2. That’s funny that B&M suggested a giga to replace top thrill as well. You need to be hired at B&M dude. Remember to smile today and keep riding coasters.
Thank you my friend! I apprecaite you!
@@TP_Recommendations 🙏💪💪
Well, intimin is still intimin when the management has not been changed. I think the reason why they will not work with intimin is because of decisions management made, and not the ones of the employees.
It can make perfect sense. This is purely hypothetical, but nobody knows how intamin as a business works. Maybe they aren’t a good company to work for and that’s why employees leave (HYPOTHETICAL).
For example, just because intamin are unreliable doesn’t mean that the employees who have left - are.
Zamperla may have better business acumen. May be better at making decisions. May make better choices.
We just have no idea but just because Zamperla has ex intamin employees doesn’t mean they are another version of intamin.
Launches always win for me; therefore, TT2 over a giga (unless the giga had a fierce launch. My guess is like you said they went with Zamperla for $.
Cedar Point seems to be acting like Zamperla is the only ones they talked to, which doesn't impress me. Wondering how you have this information, but it makes more sense.
The thing about the "cheapest bid" is it depends on the scale. I'm guessing even Zamp could easily cost them $15M or maybe 10 for taking a chance. Intamin was almost surely double that. It's not just a few bucks, it's the difference between the project being worthwhile or B&M having the right idea with just starting over.
Yoo
Brandon are you in Ohio or in Charlotte, NC? I always thought you were in Charlotte but you mentioned making videos in Ohio. Just curious!
Remember to smile today and keep ridin coasters 😎
Hey!! From Ohio, live in Charlotte
It's actually very simple: it's all about $. especially now in the U.S. with inflation. Cedar Point also already has one of only 6 full LAYOUT giga coasters in the world and it's not even as good as Steel Vengeance which is also in the park, so a Strata coaster of any kind gives this park what it needs to fill in that record breaking gap. In conclusion: I'm thinking more positively about this coaster than you are; now's not the time to complain that I'm being negative. You are. Cheer up, my friend! In turn: you can cheer me up when I'm "down" later. It's like a roller coaster or something. ;) Take your own advice and be positive or whatever. 😉❤
Why is it ironic? What’s so hard to understand? Cedar fair doesn’t want to work with Intamin…. They never said anything about the engineers and designers. I just don’t see the need for this video.
been watching your channel for a while...Did not know you were from ohio...;)
Born and raised in Kettering (Dayton)
@@TP_Recommendations Well here's a shout-out from the Glass City 😎
next time you're at CP I'll try to stop by if I can and say hey... I've been going to cedar point since I've been 2...
I will be excited that it will make the good coasters' lines shorter. Other than the backwards movement, this is going to be very meh.
Nobody wants more vibrating b&m track from the 80s
25 weeks and counting……
I think Cedar Point dropped the ball with this "Reimagining".
They could've easily went for the height record and they could've easily extended the track.
What a waste to have all that energy coming down from the top hat just to have it come to a sudden stop.....smh
Did you ever think that cp doesn't care for the ceo only and not there designers. 😮
TT2 will be World Class, end of story.
They just rebuilt xcelerators launch with Intamin tho
They did!
Have been thinking this all along. Intamin 2.0 imo
Cedar Fair probably doesn't have beef with the actual engineers designing the rides at Intamin, it's likely management vs management. Cedar Fair has an excellent relationship with Zamperla, so a bunch of former Intamin guys working there is great as they now have access to that talent without having to deal with their Intamin baggage.
I’m deeply curious about the proposal from Mack rides, they are masterful at designing layouts.
From what I was told, they wanted 20 million for just an LSM conversion. However I’ve also never seen the proposal so take that with a grain of salt
Cedar Fair probably didn't like working with Intamin Corporate/Management which is probably why you saw a bunch of Intamin Employees jump ship to Zamperla. Bad management/corporate structure is the #1 cause for a mass Exodus of employees. Id be willing to bet Zamperla is wanting to make a big splash into the coaster market and are offering the former Intamin Employees much more creative freedom than what Intamin was offering. Like one of the previous comments said, id be willing to bet most of those former employees are ride designers/engineers.
There is tons of reasons why they didn't go with Intamin and it has nothing to do with some former engineers going to work for Zamperla. Intamin's final product was constantly plagued with issues and management was extremely tough to work with to get those resolved. Sandor Kernacs was awful to work with from my understanding. Intamin also failed to get service products and materials out in a timely manner. Then also take into account the long string of failures with Intamin rides not just at Cedar Fair but other companies as well. After Skyrush Hershey isn't working with Intamin anymore either.
I think they are going to replace magnum with something game changing, as to why they didn't replace top thrill with a coaster as it sits so close to Magnum. as far as the employees, that's not abnormal in a niche field. I think a lot of broken promises and ride issues is the reasoning behind the lack of confidence in INTamin
Do you think with Top Thrill 2 we could see a drop tower on it like Kingda Ka at Great Adventure?
Definitely not
Hey there Brandon, I really like your new video! 😃👍👍
This is something that’s rather confusing. I mean, Cedar Fair doesn’t want to work with Intamin anymore, but they hired Zamperla to design and reimagine Top Thrill 2 at Cedar Point?!?! However, Zamperla is filled with ex-Intamin employees. It’s 100% mind-boggling here!
We’ll just have to see how things work in the next few weeks.
"mediocre rollback"...I have some other choice words for this redesign.
Wait, so Cedar Fair took an unsolicited bid from Intamin to fix TTD. Odd!
At least thats what it sounds like since you said Intamin put together a bid for this, and you said Cedar Fair wont work with Intamin.
So it muat have been unsolicited. Odd!
A B&M giga would have been better than TT2. Really, it wouldn't even need to be a giga, just a copy of Orion would have been good enough. 🤣
MAKE THIS MAKE SENSE
Hey Brandon hope you're well. I'm just speculating but it could be one of these two scenarios
1. Intamin has/wants to wash their hands and distance themselves from Top Thrill. This would explain why CF is going to Zamperla who is basically Intamin Jr. Right now with the employee shift. I don't know enough of the facts to be sure, but this could explain the situation.
2. I know the aftermath of the accident is not pretty at all. It could also be reversed. CF doesn't want to work with Intamin but has an opportunity to use Intamin knowledge by working with Zamperla who has ex Intamin employees. This would also explain the decision. Not work with Intamin (for unknown reason) yet still have engineers who have vast knowledge of Intamin.
Anywho. Haven't commented in awhile. Day job is crazy busy. I miss my ride op days and sometimes dream of going back to the industry. Lol
Take care friend. Maybe next summer we can meet up, ride some coasters and just have some fun.
For sure! That would be great e
They want the experience.. not the name.
do you think they chose the lowest bidder because they knew the six flags merger was coming down the pike? I hope they manage to get the high iron finished on the spike before the weather goes down the crapper. it's supposed to be warm through next week. by rights, we should be in the death grip of winter by now so this is unseasonably warm by northeast Ohio standards
Im still gonna call it dragster
Think of it this way, lets say the management sucks at Intamin and all the good people left to work for zamperla... Cedar Point is still working with intamin, theyre just called zamperla now lol
Perhaps Intiman, and Zamprela have Secretly Merged into 1 Company, and Keeping it Secret??🤣 It's Intiman That's Actually doing All of the Electrical Systems, Structural, and Track Work, and Zamprela is Supplying their Lightning Trains?? God I Hope that's The Case!!!🙏🏾🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Definitely would have preferred a Giga over this…
They already HAVE ONE
NO COASTER COULD EVER REPLACE OR MATCH TOP THRILL DRAGSTER, NOT EVEN A B&M BABA BOOEY MA-CHINE
It might just be me, but I'm tired of the bland coasters from B&M. I do love they are super reliable, but very generic.
I would have preferred a B&M giga over TT2. They're my favorite ride model, and they have awesome capacity. Perfect for a busy park like Cedar Point.
What are you smoking
It's a PR nightmare. It's the name Intamin they don't want asso iated with the park. Shoot the Rapids almost killed 8 people when it broke and flipped. That's my guess
This is so much bro coaster science talk and so much less information.
They should work with them again tho like we got the best roller coasters because of intamin
Okay, does it anyone remember Demon Drop or Shoot the Rapids? Two 'great' Intamin rides.
Well, I don't know what to say about Zamperla trying to get rid of Intamin, but I really hope that it works.
The new trains cars or ugly designs
BUT
Would Intamin be more willing to work with “Six Flags” 🤔🤔
You don’t understand business
The cedar fair/Intamin rumors are all fan boy fantasy.
Dude, new Intamin is Zamperla???? LLLLLMMMMMAAAAAOOOOOOI… I’ll have what you’re smoking.. 😂🤣🤣🤣🤣😂🤣🤣😂🤣🤣
lol. It's true though... a bunch of ex intamin employees left to be the head of the new coaster division for Zamperla :)
There's nothing puzzling about it, your just making a nonsense video per usual. Intamin engineers getting hired over to Zamperla started happening 4 to 5 years ago when Zamperla started revamping their lineups. This is a nothing burger, the issue with Intamin were likely with management being asses about their stuff breaking down and not offering good support.