HORRIBLE PEOPLE | WHEN 4WD TRIPS GO WRONG | Andrew St.Pierre White 4xOverland
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- čas přidán 4. 09. 2017
- It’s always risky touring overland with people you don’t know, or have never travelled with before. I learnt the hard way, on two occasions. This first story happened in 1996 when researching a book. I had received a sponsored Toyota Hilux 2,7 petrol and funds from Toyota South Africa. In return they asked if they could send along a journalist to join me. I agreed. The journalist and his son drove a second Hilux. My co-driver was a TV cameraman who had approached me to make 4x4 videos with me, before I had done any myself. He later claimed that I should not have made any TV shows on the grounds that he had the idea first. Laugh as you might, I had to show him the SA TV clip (shown in this video) to get him to shut up.
But I digress. He drove dangerously so could not be a true co-driver (I wouldn't let him) and he teamed up with the journo and created a front to disagree with everything I did or suggested. My expedition became their expedition, and eventually I called it off, four days before we had reached our intended destination. Not soon after returning home I suggested that we would not be working on any furture projects together. He disagreed with me, and insisted that I should look at it his way. I ended up yelling at him to go away and leave me alone.
These are two stories, one in 1995 in Mozambique and the second in 1997 in northern South Africa. Both occurred during trips researching my 4WD Trails guidebook.
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Hi Andrew been there and now a days I have a habit of traveling on my own it's very hard to tell people to shut up I'm trying to sound or video record the sounds etc when people are with me I find that I can not go the distance needed to not hear the noise they make
Another great and captivating story. You mentioned Justin and his wife are photographers. Have they documented their photos from the CSR online somewhere?
This sounds like Jeremy Clarkson's shenanigans.
Instablaster...
I had a similar experience a while back. Worse still, the other person insisted that they bring along their two teenage children. It was hell on earth--they hated every decision I made, argued constantly, and wouldn't even let me choose what food I ate!
That's the last time I ever do another trip with my wife and children!
got me. good one! Can I use it?
@@4xoverland Thank you. I would be honoured if you used it!
Jack Frost Brilliant! 🤣🤣🤣 Go Solo, my friend... It’s bliss!
My favorite overlanding companion is my dog. If he's questioning my judgement, I'm not aware of it. And he doesn't snore.
John Robie, Lucky you! My dog, she's an old golden retriever, snores like crazy. She so sweet, so obedient, but ohh gawd that girl can snore!
Our 2 heelers will come with us. Very excited.
I aggree
Yeah... shame dogs aren't allowed in nearly every place of Australia you would take a 4wd.
Fast Farmer you can take them in state forests but you can get a permit to take them in national parks
Thank you for sharing this experience, I feel like I was sitting in a chair next to you after a fine meal and we had a nice conversation out in the beautiful wilderness. The sounds of the crickets, birds and light wind were excellent. 😎👌🏽
So much resonate with this one. Great story-telling once again.
Love these videos and love the story's and what you do! your a big inspiration for me building my 4x4 and over travels and wanting to go out and see more
Hi Andrew, i think you have touched upon a very important aspect of overlanding which most of us often ignore. Traveling with the right people is far more important than having the right vehicle, gear, money etc. People, who are not like minded, do not have the same agenda, and who do not respect others, can totally ruin a good trip, especially when you're traveling on an extended trip, one which you may never undertake again, due to various complexities.
It is one thing to be impressed by a guy's politeness, knowledge, and skill at the gym or at a meet, and completely different when you're traveling with them for day's on end, even sharing a tent and depending on them for so many things. (In my case, i got stuck with the wrong companion on a month long expedidition in the karakoram on a 7000m peak).
I admire that you have forgiven the guy. I hope he views your video and mends his ways. We have a beautiful planet, i hope we can all learn to explore it from you and enjoy it to the max.
Alpha Gamerz , I dislike that fine line between a "new to this lifestyle " and an ass that knows everything without knowing anything. I try to be a good ambassador for the 4x4 community by involving new people. But doing that can truly backfire on you. I have learned over the years that it is their problem, not mine.
The comment about the focus on getting content in the last hour of light is very valid. It is also why Ronny constantly gets to camp in the dark- because often the best shots are not near camp. It is a pain but something you have to deal with and when you agree to do filiming trips.
Shame you didn't have earplugs to help with the snoring.
My god Andrew, I can totally understand the sorta people you spoke about saying the opposite or doing the opposite lol! Great video mate!
Lol i hear you.i remember having to get up and lift my tent and drag it down the field to get away from my friends snoring.A really good friend but since that i bring ear plugs and keep my distance.great story Andrew there is always people who pull the other way all the time.
Thanks for sharing Andrew. We have been overlanding through Central America/Mexico for over a year and have had the chance to travel with some other people for brief periods along the way. Since we are also producing youtube content we tend to say let's just meet at location x instead of traveling together. That way you get to hang out around the campfire, but don't need to worry as much about having the same travel style and we feel free to stop and shoot video of anything that we want to. This seems to work well for us.
Why am I excited to hear about the time it went spectacularly wrong?
Really loving these war stories, Andrew. I watch them start to finish hanging on every word. I have a story of my own about a recent trip with pretty much complete strangers that went incredible well. As an overlanding event promoter, I'm inescapably the person in charge of every last detail and, while this position is exceedingly stressful at times, I've grown accustomed to it, so much so that I find it difficult to be in overlanding situations where I'm not in charge. Well, earlier this year, I was asked to serve as Location Manager for Mountain State Overland's Season 4 CZcams series, based here in Vermont. My job would be to serve the Director/Expedition Leader in finding locations that fit the storyline. In other words, my job was to take direction, rather than give it, something I'm not particularly used to nor even good at. To be honest, I somewhat dreaded the trip. We would all be bonded closely together for eight solid days and I knew in my heart that I would disagree with the Director/EL at times. It was then that I made the unequivocal commitment to, no matter what, listen as intently as possible to the Director/EL and carry out his wishes to the very best of my ability only inserting my personal opinions as suggestions aimed to further the Director's wishes. After all, that was why I was there. What happened was remarkable. When we arrived at the end of the eight days of exceedingly tedious, repetitive and always painstaking filming, one would think we all couldn't wait to be done and go our separate ways, but it was the exact opposite. We all had gelled so well as a cohesive team that we didn't want the expedition to end. It was sheer magic and I wholeheartedly owe it to the fact that we all respected our Director/EL and carried out our jobs as respectfully and professionally as possible. I can now see how it would be a disaster if that weren't the case and your video underscores that basic tenet. Can't wait to hear your next war story!
What a damn good story teller! He reminds me of David Attenborough
I just found this video Andrew, and I would say it applies equally with people you know - we did a trip with longtime friends, with whom we had camped and holidayed previously, and it almost ruined the friendship. Lets just say remote desert touring is not for everybody LOL.
At least with people you barely know, its not a disaster if you part ways, conversely when they are long term friends, there is alot more to lose.
I don't know why Im watching this 😄 but its good. I can't explain it. But I watch.And I can't wait for the next one!
Snoring...can ruin a good trip...I snore just a little....and insist to camp away from the group I ride with....they know that I am not anti-social, but I don't want to keep them awake....
I have been following you for a long time, some of my first VHS cassettes were giving to me as a child wanting to learn more of Africa. Having grandparents that took trips often, your videos were a long running series in our household growing up.
Mr. A. White, sad to say this but I agree.
Sometimes its with people you love and care for deeply, but when the shot is what matters, noone is safe from the "camera monster" that my daughters have aptly called me on a number of occasions especially when someone thinks the trip is about them; not the job or the or the shoot.
Blasted fools, I tell you and I am a small time adventurer that does more with a family setting than in a solo or multifamily group. That is business and the name of the game, sometimes peoples egos are larger than their own common sense.
Keep up your level of production and never fail with theirs, and I know you will never want for nothing except your own expectations.
Great video, good insight and great information.
Love this sort of content - eagerly awaiting the next installment!
I believe any comments about Andrew being "big headed", etc are misreading him. While I haven't met him in person (which I would love to do at some point), I've watched enough content to at least form my opinion and that is this - Andrew is opinionated and particular (in a good way as I see it). I respect his directness and candor - people either like that or they don't. Some people read this as rude while I take it as precise and too the point. Also, his opinions are based on the whole of his vast experience. My time is too valuable to waste it watching mindless dribble and you won't get that from Andrew. Just 2 cents worth from a random guy on the interwebs...
Keep up the great work, sir.
I met Mr. White in Issaquah, WA, USA this past spring 2017; I can attest that he is authentic and not in the least arrogant. As you mention, his candor can be misinterpreted as blunt, but I suspect that those that feel that way have thin skins.
i think he is a very interesting chap one of the best things on youtube at the moment . i watch his stuff from the start to the end . i wish i had the guts and the money to do what he dose
Charlie Waters.sorry but I wouldn't ask him for any info on driving until he learns himself.high range on sand hahaha
I can feel you on this one, thx for sharing.
I had such a lekker laugh. You’ll get these know it all dose everywhere! 🤣
unfortunately that level of egotism is too common in SA
Great advise. Basically everyone else is complaining. But i feel your just giving everyone a heads up on travelling with strangers and the pros and cons. For the majority of us amateur safari seekers it happens more often where you find yourself getting to know new places with randoms who have local knowledge. Hence the advise is great. More stories please. Asante from kenya! 🇰🇪
Great honesty and resonates with me as a photographer
Dear Andrew, you're so right with the conclusion that it is very difficult as well as risky to travel with strangers. I don't and nobody should.
The bloke who had the interview with you in 1993 on SABC and was also your co-driver was Allen Johnson, presenter of Drive Time on channel 3. He died a few years ago. Laurette Morgan was his co-presenter.
LOL great insight, nothing gets to know people like traveling with them. we recently did a 4 week trip to the Kimberley in WA our usual companions could not make it with us, many of our friends asked are you two doing it on your own? Yes we did and it was great because every night we met lots of other people who were traveling on their own.
One and a half minutes in and I'm already convinced it's my oom you're referring to😂😂
Once I got past 40 years old, I could sometimes tell within a few minutes of working with someone, that this wasn't going to work out, due to disagreeing on things. I would sometimes call things off right away, rather than going any further, because usually things only get worse. I wonder what would have happened if you would have given an ultimatum on the first day, "Look, you want to do things your way, and I want them my way. This is my work that I have arranged, and these vehicles are on loan to me. Are you going to continue to disagree with me, because if you are, we are going to turn around and go back, because I'm not having it."
So true. Thanks for sharing.
It seems funny, when I see your videos, you seem so measured and polite, I can imagine traveling with someone so annoying and Being polite and collectef at the same time would be nerve wracking by the end.
You're a great story teller, sir. 👍
The best party is Andrew’s party. Cheers mate
Maybe some of these people are just sick of hearing from someone constantly calling the shots? Or considering themselves to be right all the time. Even if you are.
These are just the simple dynamics of travelling with people. Everyones different.
Just like the landscape
But agreed, when its your gig, your venture, they need to tow the line and understand their place.
Hi Andrew, I'm a big fan of your content and I have learnt much from you. your channel is awesome. I missed meeting you at the Perth 4wd show I wanted to pick your brains on a lot of stuff regarding travelling around Africa, I'm sure we will get a chance to meet. I just want to point out the micro emotions exhibited in this video @ 9:40, please keep an eye out for such as you are such a good block.
A trip with strangers can be horrible,but it can also be the opposite.
Went on a boys ski trip with my mate and his friend. Said friend snored like a walrus, but he was a decent bloke and gave us both old-school ear wax - didn't hear a thing. Travel with ear wax and you are good to go. Far better than plugs. You won't hear the elephants marauding through your campsite though.
I never realised how much you and Kenny Everett looked alike in your younger days!
Omg snorers ( like the ones that sound like lion roars), thank god for youtube nowadays showing you how to properly insert ear plugs. Saved me two weeks of sleep depravation on a trip I had last October.
Hey Andrew, beautiful photos. Do you have a gallery of all your vintage trip photos like what was shown in this video? Best Regards.
the timing is funny to me as i am leaving mozambique right now :)
Wise words Andrew.Back in the '90's whilst travelling in Namibia I took pity on an Aussie backpacking couple & gave them a lift through some of the more remote & beautiful parts of the country. What a mistake that was. The guy was an expert on everything, they never ever offered to even buy me a beer let alone anything else. By the time we got to Windhoek I could not wait to be rid of them. Never, ever again will I allow this to happen. Looking forward to the next instalment.
Yup. Personality clashes in tight quarters are awful. If you aren't already sure about the chemistry do not commit yourself to shared space.
What a tease you are Andrew. You can see it in your eyes at the end of the video.
Hi Andrew, I want to do a two weeks overland trip in Africa. Do you have any recommendation on agencies that provides this kind of tours?
Cola Cola ought to give you a few quid, or perhaps they already have, it's a recurring theme 😉
Awesome chat.....
Bed time story telling for adults. Really an excellent story teller.
If I travelled with someone with decades of 4wd experience, I would never second guess their judgment call.
And if someone was amiss just have a decent chat about it
What brand / model of chair are you sitting in there Andrew?
Wait the expedition ending early is not your definition of "going spectacularly wrong" ... Then I cant wait for the next story time.
Well Said Andrew !!!
Re the journalist driving through the surf, that is why you should never buy a demonstrator as many have been driven by journalists for their reviews,
Awesome
If some tells you you snore badly please get it checked out. It could be Obstructive Sleep Apnoea, which is fairly simple to treat, but is really debilitating if you don't do anything about it.
What's that saying Andrew, something like...'the more you listen the more you learn'
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:D love the stories.
Mate i couldn't of said it better myself, i always thought it was some sort of OCD sorta thing about when i go camping with other people, i have this group of 5 other people that i go camping with, mainly on the beach. when we all first started camping together, after the first day everyone knew their job, we rock upto camp and boom, everyones straight into their jobs and wishing 5 - 10 minutes theres a fire going, chairs are all out and everyone has a drink in their hand and depending o the time, dinner is getting ready. but as soon as someone else comes, it just turns to shit, exspecially if they haven't been camping before all they do is be in the way, you're always having to tell them to move, don't set your swag up there, everyone has their own chair so stop taking mine etc etc. And with the snoring I've had that exact thing happen, but it was pissing down with rain and we had our swags set up under my awning. i gave up after 2--3 hours and just moved my swag probably 100m away and woke up to a flooded swag and ended the trip that day and told him he/s never coming away hunting with me again.
sometimes even when you know somebody, whether you have travelled with them before is important. Went prospecting with a guy who had never been before but who was sure he already knew everything. trip was condensed down to 7 days instead of 3weeks. We do not keep in contact at all now, just too dangerous to travel with. contrary to the point of idiocy.
Been in camping situations where all the friends of friends wanted to do was get blind drunk or totally weeded out. They might as well have stayed home. It started to spook me a bit because there were six of them and one of me. Never Never again. These boof heads didn't bring enough food.. utensils..cooking equipment..so I had to loan mine which I was very keen to get back.
Got the Aussie wave going.
If one of the core "raison d'être " for overlanding is getting away from civilisation then having to put up with uncivilised morrons really does take the biscuit. Tempting to just leave them it must have been ;)
That type of behaviour is a dime a dozen in the work place...it stems from bad chemistry and arrogance.
Well said
Any plan of travelling to Thailand? We are your big fan.
that Y hilux you are using as cover pic in this video and the one you took in Mozambique in which episode did it exactly feature? I want to watch its actions.
It was not a video. It was a magazine article published in 1995.
@@4xoverland I trust that you will one day put your cruiser aside and take that hilux with through Mangetti to Angola or something
Congratulations on your restraint
As I was watching this video, it was calling to mind a trip that I had taken last year in my Land Cruiser. A friend and I were about fifteen miles from any help, in a very mountainous location, and my friend wanted me to drive down into a ravine. I realized right away that it could be a problem getting out of the ravine which was several hundred feet deep. I wouldn't be talked into it, it was just foolish. It would take several hours to walk to the closest person with a vehicle, and several days to try to come up with maybe a dozer and several hundred feet of cable to get out. Why did someone else want to try it? Because it wasn't his vehicle, or his responsibility, or his money to recover the vehicle.
Hahahaha my stepfather is the EXACT same, cannot agree with anything I or anyone else says. Ive even tested it by repeating his own opinion on a subject back to him as my own a few weeks after he has said it and what would you know, it's wrong again! Something I will truly never understand, Its probably the WORST character flaw I can think of.
Hi Andrew.
My Name is Ron.
Thank you very much for sharing your stories and experiences. I have recently acquired my first 4x4 vehicle. You, your family, your stories and adventures are an inspiration to me and my wife.
We are going on our first trip from Richards Bay via Riemvasmaak then south and back with our 3 young daughters in a few days from now.
Thank you very much for the brilliant tips, stories and advice.
Keep up the good work !!
I always carry earplugs with me just in case. They should be part of the medical kit i recon.
Id LOVE to do what you do. I have a 4x4 but no idea where to begin. It would be an honor to meet you for a coffee.
Everytime when people gang up against you,its so satisfying to pick that up and never ever blame yourself,even when it happens frequently in diffrent
Situations. Narcis wil use the line,2 or 10 people cant be wrong about how they percieve you. Still refuse to tow crowds opinion about yourself, especialy if you know,you are a solution n peaceful minded person.
We've all worked with someone who knows enough to be dangerous but thinks they know everything. In diffident fields of work but that personality is common. It can be painful, but when they see the light it's funny to see them agree with results. Of course your never 100% right and their 5% made the difference but your idea was right lol. When you got apprentices this is the daily struggle
I recently did a trip across the Anne Beadell and up the Connie Sue with someone I hadn't met before and it was a nightmare. The most unprepared, unsociable, bigoted, selfish person I have ever met on the road. Like you Andrew, my trip was a work trip (I am a freelance travel writer) and he made it very difficult for me to do my job.
hate it when people know your right and do the opposite
Doing the Simpson Desert next year in a Wrangler 98 ☺Any tips ?
Get a toyota haha
What happens in Mozambique stays in Mozambique?
birds of a feather should only flock together
It's funny how some people just have to take the opposite opinion, just because.
I don't understand it? Bad self esteem?? Blatant disrespect? What?
Oh, and don't scratch. :-)
I could be much more difficult than that - invite me along and you will have a great story to tell.
That was funny, but kind of not... I know your pain because I have dealt with someone before where I had gotten to the point of having to be opposite with them. It is an interesting experiment to see playing out though!
2:32 you were interviewed by Mr Rodgers?
Hilarious in retrospect. Snoring, belligerent contrarians is about as bad as it gets!!
I hope your not thinking of canceling our trip together. I promise not to snore. :-)
It’s a lesson we have all learnt !! Hate traveling with egotistic idiots.
Hey Andrew, I was wondering. Was part of your reason for leaving South Africa the deterior state of the country? Just curious, since I don't really think you've talked about it before.
Spectre ... I was in Cape Town for a month last year. It is bad, arm guards every where. I didn't feel very, but the country is bueatiful
Europe is starting to look like that too.. Armed guards everywhere.
he talks about it through his vlogs
Yes. But If I talk about it, I will no doubt be attacked by South Africans who chose not to leave, or who simply cannot leave. They defend their reasons for staying, often with strong words. And I understand their stance. I had a way to leave. But the brain drain on South Africa is crippling the country and economy, and it happening largely because of rampant corruption and widespread violent crime. Its a crying shame because its a beautiful country and in many ways will always call it home.
Cape Town is the safest and one of the nicest parts of the entire country.
Do you find that your love for travel has been usurped by your obvious love for recording the event?
That is a very apt question. I have no clear answer for it.
This is the best answer I could have conjured.
I think he must be sick to drive a car in the salt warter and its not his shame on him love your story andrew we all have a bad expearenc now and then its just a lernning point ha
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So, who is it? Drop the name
Cant stand snoring ppl god dam would be gone after the first night
Lol in good nature boss
doesn't really worry me if I dont know the guys name
I paused this post to tell you that you (at this point) are talking like you've been monitoring the inside of my head for years!👍😂👍😊
driving a car in the surf! What the hell is wrong with this person!!!!
me myself and I
The purpose of this is me….
and @10:08
and @ 12:53