Why I'm Going To Swap My V8 for a 4-Cyl 2.8 Auto Troopy
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This guy is the Dwight Schrute of the 4x4 world.
Best comment here!
So true
Perfektenshlag
Bears beat battle star galactic...
Who the hell is Dwight shrute
Dudes a legend.. I am from Malawi and left Africa as a boy of 9 and have always missed home and just love the whole overlanding thing.. been able to live vicariously through him... Andrew has such a passion and wealth of knowledge and his videos are so well done that he's always top of my watch list. Dudes funny too...
😇😇🙏🙏
Yeah funny peculiar....
Come back home brother
Watching this as i came back from a 4 hour traffic jam in my manual. That auto sounds like a dream.
I daily 1.5 hour of between N and 1st gear traffic each way. In the 9 years of ownership, my clutch leg has never felt tired or sore, my gas and brake leg though, so sore that I had to modify to have higher spring tention in the gas pedal. I would never pick an auto over a manual if I had a choice.
I drive a manual 2021 Jeep Wrangler manual in the North East United States 🇺🇸
25% lots of fun
65% nightmare
*Europeans hoping the 70 Series to officially come back to Europe with that 2.8*
Amen to that !!!
To be honest: europeans would prefer V8 Diesel. But there is regulation & selling price & fiel consumtion.
That 2.8 is a beast of a motor with awesome low down torque and plenty of top end.
My old 1999 Hilux Surf 4 Runner had an autobox and it was incredible. Tough as nails
That's a different 2.8l that was in the surfs, this new one is ancestor of the 3.0l that was in the N70 hilux
@@h.c5750 I was refering to the the new GD6 motor in my latest Hilux. My Surf has a fantastic 3.4 V6 petrol
@@h.c5750how is the 2.8 an ancestor of the 3.0? Isn’t’ it like the new born offspring? Plenty of get up and go but not much power and stamina?
I'm optimistic about the new 2.8TD in the LC70. Have driven plenty in our work fleet Hiluxes and Prados and have always rated them as solid performers, with good low end grunt, decent NVH characteristics, and acceptable fuel economy. Having also spent a good chunk of time driving a Ford Puma powered 2.4TD Defender for towing a 3t drilling rig around the UK, I can say that the 4 cylinder engine, and it's small capacity was never a limiting factor to that vehicles ability to do hard work. The torque multiplication of an autobox will also be a benefit for low speed heavy duty work off-road.
The only diesel I've ever come across that was lacklustre at low engine speeds was the Discovery Td5 my parents had. Even my old Series III 2.25 petrol has more low-end grunt than one of those. The old Tdi engines were quite good, although the Puma diesel is excellent in this regard.
Acceptable fuel economy in a n80 Hilux?... you’re joking right?. 500km to a factory tank, factory tune and stock tyres is not good when you consider European TDs can get a hundred to two hundred more kms per tank and have more power with better transmissions and clutches. Our fleet vehicles are all New Toyota 2.8s both manual and autos and are disappointing. Without particular mods and a dyno tune, the 2.8s compared to the rest aren’t as good as they used to be.
@@riamriam6758 not sure about k's to a tank but ours all average about 10l/100km which is pretty good for vehicles spending most of their time driving around the burbs
A straight 6 engine just make so much more sense. More balanced, more torque. Just look at the Mercades straight 6 in the G400, its what dreams are made of.
Andrew, although I prefer keeping a vehicle for as long as possible, I get what you’re doing. It makes sense from the angle you’re coming from, and, it is very educational for everyone else in this genre. I love learning about all the nuances and changes of these vehicles.
Hopefully will be able to have a Troopy someday (though I’d likely still hang on to my HJ45)😊.
Let’s see what your wrap will be this time!!! Maybe Gwynn will chime in too!
Looking forward to your solo adventure!!!
honestly, I'm pretty excited at the idea of a "GDJ76R". The idea of a modern 4cyl turbo diesel/auto in the 5 door wagon gives strong 70 series Prado vibes.
yes like the new wagon design .what do you think of the new LC prado /250 /u.s. we only get gas LC models
@@youtubecarspottersguide1 first thoughts are I like it. Worth noting the 90, 120 and 150 series Prado "Landcruisers" for us have always been a sensible, well balanced and accommodating off-road wagon. They're mostly boring, but don't really put a foot wrong.
With North America being included in the 250 series global release, it looks like Toyota has been a lot more adventurous with the design, and kind of created a sequel to to the reborn FJ Cruiser of the 2000s in one vehicle.
I'm keen to see how they go once the public get ahold of them.
Its hard to find anyone who knows as much about overlanding as Andrew. Not to mention his channel is like a professional course in Land Cruiser history. Plus I have learned more about African terrain from him than I could any other way.
Im currently driving the 2021 prado, and i find the 2.8 diesel with the 6-speed auto a fantastic combo! Go for it!! I wonder whether all people who comment about the 2.8 diesel have actually tested it and did not like it! I love it! And it is economical appr 10L/100kms.
The new one is coming in 6 months with the 8 spd auto! That is going to be mega difference.. I am not fond of the current box
Absolutely the right choice Andrew this will be a fascinating journey!
Great decision Andrew, and being a manual die-hard, I totally understand wanting an auto box and I’m leaning that way myself.
Good job! This is going to be very fun to watch. I can’t wait to see what you do with the new troopy.
This sounds like a great idea. I’m very keen for the build. I always love your builds A LITTLE more than the travels. It’s so interesting how the car is put together.
Love from Austria 🇦🇹.
I love the fact that you stood up to be the ginny pig for everyone
I've had a auto 70 series v8 since 2016 and love it
With the revs at 1500rpm at 100km instead of 2200rpm with the manual 5 speed
Does everything else so why not just change the box in his recent build v8
A straight 6 engine just make so much more sense. More balanced, more torque. Just look at the Mercades straight 6 in the G400 mated to a 8speed gearbox, its what dreams are made of.
Hi Andrew, i am so excited about the auto box finally coming to the series. I am gonna save up for the 2.8 Auto, to replace my 2009 3.0d4d.. looking forward to building up a troopy.. only thing is the rear axle thingy... hope it can be rectified in South Africa.. Looking forward to your build..
I have a 21 Troopie with Wholesale Auto 6 speed 200 Series auto with lock up. After 32 years of constant Troopie driving, the auto is a gamechanger. Especially on long drives...dont have to change seat position to downshift to pass, and with tiptronic I can downshift without clutch. Coupled with a tuned V8, it's a deluxe drive. Looking forward then to Andrew's reporting...
Would love that box from Wholesale Auto in my 76 however I can't justify the cost
@@djjames6576 Unless I had $100k to blow on upgrades I wouldn't consider an auto upgrade. Cost is nearly what I paid for the cruiser 6 years ago. I have current have a better option than a corolla for my daily, a mountain bike :)
All fair points...I justified the cost as I have an old injury in my left leg that has resulted in a permanent back condition that is quite unbearable after driving through town with a heavy duty clutch. or having to reposition in the seat on long distance when passing. I'm retired, and sold my house to set up a 'dream tourer', and am now going 'grey nomad' for a couple of years before I'm confined to crutches and a wheelchair...
Enjoy your new Troopy! Looking forward to more videos and travels!
I wish Ineos gave you a vehicle to test so you could of brought one. It's a far better car than this 2.8L motor vehicle. I owned a Hilux SR5 with this motor and constantly had issues with it. Eg leaking turbo at 30k, limp mode on highway's driving 10km/h while trucks past you at 110km/h at 1:00am at night. Sensor faults etc etc etc sold it after 2 years of pain. If you got in early you could of picked up a Trialmaster edition for $103k drive away like l did.
From 1hz 4.5 1vd and now 1gd your troopy journey is amazing
Your passion shows the meaning of life. Go for that new 70 series and show us your new proyect!.
Will be interesting and well done for doing it! I spend a lot of my time in outback South Australia and in the groups I travel with there are plenty of 3.0 and 2.8L Prados, and two of the current model troopcarriers (skinny tyres and not heavily modified). When you are carrying plenty of weight and the going gets slow, the Troopcarriers do better than the auto Prados on fuel, especially if towing (and I know you won't be towing). And the torque converters never lock up in those conditions, so you may have to manage the ATF temperatures or go aftermarket with lockup kits or remaps. One of the major differences with the V8 is that it gets max torque at just 1200rpm - perefct for good fuel consumpotion in slow conditions. Your current Troopy is costing more in fuel because of the tyres you run.
You are exactly the right person to do this. I’m looking forward to your review.
Looking forward to see how the 1GD-FTV will perform in the 70 series. I think it's a great idea to have a 4 cylinder automatic option. Maintenance and running cost should be considerably less.
Keep ot coming!
Looking forward to see what you will do with the new one
Congratulations 🎉😊,i'm pretty happy to see this new adventure 😊
I currently drive a 70 Prado, 33 years old with an auto behind a 2.4 diesel. Is it under powered? A bit but the engine tech is from the eighties.
It has a 4 speed auto with overdrive. Once you get it up to speed it is beautiful to drive. Lovely to see the auto returning.
I'm looking forward to your decisions and how this turns out for you.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained. I use my 79 for mainly towing (NZ), I have Armax package and am pleased with its performance. Narrow back axle still bugs me. Cheers Andrew.
Pull starting !! With modern mini jump starters ( keep in glovebox size ) no longer an issue
A very honest assessment and I totally agree on all points
Looking forward to this build
I could (and have) watch your videos for hours, Andrew. Always great content delivered in such an honest, engaging, interesting and humorous style.
Thanks again for your channel. I learned to drive on an FJ45 a, a Willys CJ2a and a series 2A in Zululand from the tender age of 10. . I absolutely love all 3 iconic 4x4's. This Cruiser talks to me in a marrow deep way. I would prefer an H1Z engine though. Bulletproof
It’s great news I’ve always wanted a more fuel economic Land Cruiser engine instead of a 2.8 Hilux engine and love the round lights like my previous Troopy 1990 model. Hope it will be available in South Africa and hope the price will be affordable to. Looking forward to your next conversion Andrew.
Nice one mate, I think the new one will Serve you well and sounds like great reasons for making the change
Good to hear you were able to place an order, dealerships close to Sydney CBD are still not taking orders for any 70 series platform regardless of the configuration.
The other thing with the 460/1 g wagen auto box is that you could tow start them, in 2nd gear..I had to do that on a few occasions and on one occasion I had a 3.5 tonne trailer full of sand. Admittedly I was being pulled by @ 4 tonne bucket cat loader. I’ve had 6 g wagens and they are just awesome.
They laugh at the antenna, if they work out how to raise it. 😂 The amount of times I’ve lent my car to friends and they come back saying ‘the radio has horrible reception!’ And of course they haven’t found the switch to raise the antenna 😂
My very 1st 4WD (NJ Pajero GLS) was a manual. 'Coz that's the only gearbox to have when you're in your 20s and full of testosterone. But when I decided to upgrade 4yrs later, and asked for recommendations from many veteran and experienced 4WDers, while many have recommended various brands and models to consider, what surprised me, is that an overwhelming majority of them recommended to go for an auto box (incl. the hardcore 4WDers). I took their advise and I did. And at that time, while my ego was hesitant to go for an auto, I'm glad I took a leap of faith and did.
Excellent. Really looking forward to the build Andrew.
My opinion is that to make this work well, to drive well, and remain reliable, with that engine and transmission, you will really NEED to keep the build-weight down.
If you go overweight it will probably be disappointing and possibly a disaster.
Get some inspiration from your flying and it’s strict weight criteria. Look at how us motorbike overlanders do it. Make lightweight a top priority and it might be the best troopy build yet.
Either way, looking forward to the fun.
For the love of doing the right thing, why a 4pot, when a straight 6 just makes so much more sense.
Good on you Andrew for trying out the 2.8 auto and keeping an open mind. Very keen to see what your insight is for your requirements to put to rest the speculation.
Hey Andrew, thank you for the awesome channel. That 2.8 will be awesome, a friend of mine has a hilux the standard rs version with the 165kw engine and with some minor adjustments he is running 189kw and 790nm.it is an beast. Even 170kw with 690 nm is plenty. All the best
Werner
Upington
South Africa
Hey great seeing you again. You were my favorite off-roading 4x4 channel before life threw me a bunch of other interests. So I'm not the 4x4 efficiano that I thought I was but occasionally I am swamped by FJ Cruiser channels. Your videos are a little too long for my short spanned interests but it was sure nice seeing and catching up with you again. So you've ordered another overland truck ok great I'll catch you on the other side of that story on another day. Take care good luck and I'll see you later!
I certainly appreciate the desire for an auto offroad. I've had both in my 4x4's and the auto is just nicer all around. I'm a little baffled Toyota didn't offer the auto with the V8 considering they already have a suitable box in the stable from the 200 series.
Originally I believe it was because it would cut into and ruin the 200 series sales. Same thing. I think it would damage the 300 series sales. Especially for those die heads that want/need the V8. Personally I’d liked to have seen the 300series engine or a derivative of into the 70series with manual or auto options. But there goes 300series sales.
Just subscribed to your WA videos, had no idea you moved to WA! Will probably take some of your build ideas into my FJ, thanks.
Nissan did a similar thing with the Patrol. Dropped the 6 cylinder diesel and changed to a 4 cylinder 3 litre, also with automatic is some models. Despite the on-paper specs being equivalent for both engines, power and torque, the 4 cylinder was largely a failure. The four essentially relied upon the turbo boost to maintain torque, but when boost was lost or not reached, it reverted back to just a 3 litre, 4 cylinder and struggled with the weight and aerodynamics. This was especially noticeable upon start-up on a gradient.
Great news, Andrew. I will follow with interest. Thought Toyota might do to the seventies series what LR did to its original Defender. As you know the seventies series is an extremely popular vechile in Australia.
Auto does make sense for driving in city traffic. Should be perfect for you
Lovely Ep and Well done on your choose, Id love the 2,8lt Auto in either the wagon or the 79 if there 6 seater 3 in the front and back
I totally get your reasoning for choosing the auto. I've not met anyone who's gone from a manual to auto 4wd and not, in all honesty, putting their ego asside, preferred the auto as an overall experience. And the 70s not being available in auto has always been a major reason for never buying one. I've almost had myself convinced I could daily drive a big, manual 4wd but I knew in my heart I'd tire of it quickly. I'm sure I'm not alone.
Super excited that you did it! I know you dont like towing, but can you please do a little test on it? I have the GD6 Fortuner and it has not dissapoint me in 6 years.
I had a 2019 4cyl Hilux and then a 2022 V8 70 series. The Hilux engine with no modifications was faster than the V8 70. It's a great engine and no need to do any performance upgrades. It was a thirsty 4cyl but the V8 drinks more. With the DPFs you don't get the V8 sound from a modern 70 series as it is. The Hilux gearbox was fantastic and downhill ascent control works great. It's a good choice. Looking forward to the new build. Of course they made some strange decisions with the new model, it wouldn't be a 70 series without a few ridiculous decisions out of the factory! I wonder where they will be made.
Looking forward to it, a new episode and on to the next 39 years. But I would really, really miss that antenna. Well, the 6 year old in me would. Wish you happy new adventures when it arrives.
Love your channel! You are lucky you even have the choice to swap Troopies. Where I live I can’t even buy one, not even brand new. The just are not for sale. Love to buy one, but impossible here. Thanks for your great videos!
It'll be interesting to see how much an electronic throttle controller helps the new troopy when you get it Andrew, hopefully a lot. Seeya Rob
yesterday or something i immediately think you would do that ... that's good...for overlanding the automatic is a must
I really appreciate your overlanding life, I would just like to be like you, just going out in the wild
Just did a road trip in my Ford Ranger 2.0 bi-turbo with ten speed automatic yesterday to collect four wheels and tyres. 240 miles of a mixture of mostly Welsh A roads and some motorway from Shrewsbury to Telford. The gauge shows in excess of 400 miles range left. That’s an indicated 35 mpg Imperial. That’s 8.1 L/100kms. That’s not bad for a 2.2 ton 4wd utility vehicle. Not up with a Volvo XC90 or Kia Sorento, which weigh about the same and would have achieved 40mpg, but better than my LC100 which would only have done 24mpg or 11.75 L/100kms or 50% more fuel on the run and I know that four big wheels and tyres would not have fitted anyway, necessitating the use of a trailer. Point being that modern engines coupled to modern transmissions are far more efficient than they used to be. My 1982 Golf GTi only managed 30mpg which itself was better than a previous Ford Fiesta 1300S which never managed to average better that 28 mpg and they both weighed less than half that of the Ranger and even the Golf was not that much faster to 100kph. Toyota’s 2.8 diesel can produce 200hp and 500Nm torque to almost identically match the Ford EcoBlue’s 2.0 diesel.
Best 4 x 4 channel for me. Love that truck
There is a narrow voltage range in which you can pull start a VDJ. It has to be low enough to not start, but too low and the injectors won't fire.
The 1GD engine returns 12 km per liter in non aggressive drive mode on factory tuned fuel maps. You will find good returns as well doing offroad too.
Andrew you are the reason I got keen into Troopies. I ordered back in 09/2021. Still waiting. But i would love to order a 4pot Lc troopy if i am not satisfied with the manual one.
being auto almost makes it worth upgrading i honestly dont see the point of manual especially in this day of age. id still never buy a 4 cyl 70 series, i know it sounds childish to say but i love the 70 series mainly for the fact it is a v8 (and having solid axles as well) my reason goes as follows
my current 4wd is a 4 cylinder diesel, yes it does makes more power than my old stock v8 70 series did, but when i load my current 4 cylinder 4x4 up for camping or for work (i am a carpenter) you instantly feel the extra stress on the engine caused by the weight. where on the v8 i would load it up with all my work gear and or camping gear when i went touring you wouldn't notice any difference in performance, yes you could feel the weight there but the car wouldn't have been slowed down by the weight, when you accelerate you wouldn't know you were loaded up with heavy gear/equipment where on the the 4cylinder you instantly notice the effect the weight has on the over all acceleration of the car and the extra effort involved to get the car up to speed or to get moving. Because of that you end up using more fuel than the v8 did just because you have to sit in the higher rev rangers putting extra load on the engine and causing your EGT's to start skyrocketing to keep up on highways and to get moving each time you come to a stop or slow down considerably, where on the v8 it wouldn't take much effort you could use 25% throttle and you would get up to speed very easily and effortlessly with out having to rev the engine over 2500-3000rpm which ends up saving you fuel, especially if you have to start going up steep inclines all those effects become blatantly obvious
yes modern engines are smaller and more efficient ON PAPER but in the real world where the cars are carrying heavy loads the technically slower and less economical v8s end up being quicker and more economical than the 4 cylinders because of the reasons mention above. and thats non biased either i have owned landrovers, landcruisers, isuzus, nissan patrols which are all cars i absolutely loved for touring (except for the nissans) and because of that i am speaking honestly and un biasedly based off what i have experienced in the real world.
you cant beat shear displacement to create torque yes you can make good torque numbers in smaller engines but it isnt the same kind of torque you gain from having bigger cylinders
Agree with your point on performance. If you see what ford/vw can pull from a 2L then imagine what you can get from the 2.8? So many valid points in your video.
Andrew you are trying to re live an impossible dream from the past.
When recently have you driven any road surface more than a gravel back road..
I bet you will keep the project for six months then make an excuse to flip it. Cheers.
The new Land Cruiser jimny looks great .
Selling another car that you’ve barely broken in for massive profit. Good work if you can get it
Great LC79 comes with 2.8L diesel 1GD in hilux n pardo ...in auto its easier to live with compared to V8 manual.
my 2.8 still going strong 190k, loads of torque, as long as you maintain factory gearing should be good. auto is a no brainer! disappointing they didn't make it full time 4x4, remove manual hubs, and fix rear axle width very surprised.
Andrew, will be interesting to see how this goes. Will get YT views if nothing else. No brainer for that. I've driven the 2.8 Diesel Prado from new for 5 years. My first new vehicle. Have driven second hand prado and landcruiser in the desert for years before that. on and off road. The DPF issue and associated gaslighting has been painful and incredibly disappointing. Even forgetting the DPF (I am on my second, soon to be third) not enough power in the Prado 2.8 for the weight of the vehicle on the open road. Difficult to overtake etc. Fine in low range off road. In my opinion, seems Toyota have gone the 2.8, 4 cylinder route for emission reasons, and not wanting to invest to build a new 6 cylinder diesel , or larger 4 cylinder given the uncertainty around diesel atm. I doubt longevity or performance or loyal toyota users are front of mind in the decision to continue with the 2.8 unit. Ive driven Toyota for 30 years, and am a fan of their historical incremental improvements in models such as hilux/prado/land cruiser. I have owned them all. But I struggle to see the incremental improvement here, power plant wise. Auto transmission wise - totally agree.
Excellent choice Andrew - the reason the V8 Landcruiser is so prominent and ridiculously overpriced is the red neck bogan hoons especially in my regional location have to have it because the old Ford/Holden utes are disappearing and they need something with an annoyingly loud three inch exhaust to impress their mates as they compensate for their inadequate intellect - I enjoy my automatic four cylinder diesel Hilux with more than enough power for my farming needs without the huge fuel running costs of the V8.
No substitute for horse power cubic inches
@@duke1724 hi duke - a smart application of technology like the Japanese built Nissan Skyline with it’s 3 litre twin turbo refined and reliable engine will always be a better match of performance compared to a US built dinosaur big cubic grunt mobile - it’s pure intellect versus Neanderthal thinking - this was proven time and time again in Australia during the early nineties in touring car championships - look at 1990, 1991 and 1992 - unfortunately they were banned in 1993 with the introduction of Holden (GM) and Ford V8s only because the bogans hated the far superior Skyline winning consistently.
@@johnnumbat9782 show me which Japanese crap car can go 3 sec down the quarter mile
@@duke1724 oh dear a redneck - I won’t waste your time any longer.
Hello Andrew
I have owned a Toyota Land Cruiser 3 doors model; 2.8L + auto 6 gearbox for 4 years now and still own it..
It's very smooth, quiet on the road, has a good mileage @ around 9 L/100KM.
It could be tuned up to get more torque and HP.
Best of all, it has a chain instead of an annoying rubber belt for the distribution.
Il like very much and it's extremely comfortable for long trips.
Here in France 4x4's are heavily taxed (40.000 to 50.000 euros called malus ecologique) because France produces tiny little engines .
Thanks for all your work and films.
Cheers
The 2.8 in the Hilux with highway rear end and 33 and bull bar will get around 13 to 14 l per 100 .
So a small difference when loaded compared to v8
Soon to sell my 4runner.. and was looking at the 4 cylinder 2.8 diesel Prado…when all saw the new about a 70 with an auto … going to the dealer now to put an order 😍
I'm hoping for a Cape York trip in the new Troopy. But take Gwynn with you.
first model,,going to have a few problems, but looking forward to seeing what you are going to do with it
The Landy D2a auto box had lock up in low range in 2002. Was best of both (manual and auto) worlds IMO.
🤠👍 the only right choice in the right moment. Perfect done Andrew 💪
Diesels tune better than petrol - increase bhp for a stage 2 is around 20%, depending on engine and tuner, but the torque can be as high as a 30% increase.
My D2 currently sits at 208bhp and 483nm torque, cruises at 70mph no problem, even loaded and with a roof tent on top.
Loaded up, but no tent, it now averages about 34mpg combined whereas in factory for it averaged 28mpg. Cruising across Europe on French A roads and Autobahns, at 60mph it averaged 43mpg. Around town and in traffic its about the same as factory.
I once had a Daihatsu cuore. A tiny 3 cilinder car. Brilliant for in Amsterdam city. I could not pull her to start either when the battery was flat. It had some kind of relais that first needed to have some current to close. Without this it would not start. So I could only start it with jumper cables.
Very good choice and good reasoning. You won’t be getting the V8 feeling from it, but you’re going to be amazed how overall pleasant the engine is. The V8 has much more low end torque of course, but with the auto box it won’t be very noticeable. Very exciting project. Have fun!
It's great if you can do that. If you got the money you can have these extravagant hobbies.Lucky you. Good to see on this type of channel. You are the 4x4 GOAT.
Can’t wait for your build. 👍🏻
I look forward to the build mate. Well done.
The rear axil is crap. Toyota MUST fix this. The thing drives like a spastic on the beach!!!
Love the fact, that Andrew all the way across the world is wearing an Portland, Oregon, USA based company, Columbia sportswear😊
So excited to see this build and drive
I love manuals but I have to say that the new auto boxes are amazing and get the job done very well.
Mine has about 300 rpm between ratios, is pretty much seamless and the loss of drive between changes is hard to notice. Compare that to your average manual gearbox on a 4wd and it's chalk and cheese. Seems they have to rev the bejeezus out of them and then try to change quick enough before momentum is lost and they just bog down.
I have paddles on mine if I want to change gears but I don't bother as the vehicle just does it all very well.
Stick it in sand mode and it will hold the revs at peak torque and plow on.
Yep likely not as tough as old school but I don't try and drag my house around with it or do stupid stuff to prove it can be done.
Having modern technology on road is nice as is the economy and the fact it drives like a car for the most part.
yes, but there just a little tiny aspect to consider when talking about the manual: you decide when it is time to change gear, according the different situations
@@nicknick7052 Nearly all modern autos, afaik anyway, have a manual override option via the shifter or in the case of mine the shifter and paddles behind the wheel.
They also have more gears, mine has 8 for example, so they have more options than the average manual I have seen.
Also you won't get missed shifts due to being bounced around or rushing to change gears in busy situations.
Like I said I love manuals, have driven crash boxes and have had quite a few of them, but I doubt that there will be many situations where a manual is better.
Perhaps they may be tougher, although clutches can be a weak point, or for starting in gear if needed.
Autos are way better Offroad. I just came back from an off-road challenge weekend and the guy in the manual patrol kept getting the gearing wrong and missing gear going up steep inclines. It meant he rolled back and nearly over.
@@Robbo-eh3wb Yep true that.
Watch a manual vehicle and you will inevitably see the driver revving the guts out of their vehicle and then trying to change as quickly as possible into the next gear whilst trying to steer with one hand and read the terrain.
I pretty much just modulate the throttle and steer.
More adventures and fewer builds. And more great stories Andrew.
Probably time to travel the rest of the world eh?
Doooonnnnntttt count on it. I use to enjoy his African adventures….but that’s in the past.
Why not use a simple plastic plug? One can then utilise the aperture for a 2 way radio antenna without cutting into body panels. I get you 100% with the Toyota brand, there are other great brands such as Steyr, Nissan etc. The Patrol is rather understated for example. Keep 'em coming!
Sounds great to no longer we need the sick gearbox or V8 thanks for that info Andrew cheers mate
Here we go again.. looking forward to the content!
Smaller displacement diesels like lots of gears. A five or six speed manual makes sense. So, an auto should likely be an 8 speed or 10 speed, to work well.
I love your channel so much! I wish I discovered you years before I had!
Looking forward to seeing your opinions on the smaller engine. I think the modern 6 speed gearbox will make up for it. Its a shame they haven't corrected the track width now theres no v8 though.
I do understand the want for an auto box. If it’s up to the task, and auto box can make a trail or even a long drive a lot more bearable.
Hi Andrew it's Rob again, I just found this, this morning, you'll probably be very interested in it, it's JUE 477 the first ever Land Rover found after 50yrs of sitting in a field and restored. Enjoy mate, Seeya Rob
Well, good decision. You save weight on the car itself and on the fuel you have to carry. Those 2 factors contribute to have a dynamic vehicle, more than the V8 you have, I bet.
An additional advantage of the auto trans is that the torque converter is also a torque multiplier, not to mention gentler on the whole driveline. 0:02
I also have driven 4x4s for 40 years something over-landing around the world and in MOP auto is better off road, deff in sand and hill climbing I had both and think its much smoother on trails, as you said no gear change, and y can always manual shift a auto box, if you need to hold a gear, no prob.. Nice One Andrew
What’s MOP?