Thank You Eric, a good bit of history and well needed to be seen considering that our Prime Minister has evoked Mr Smith's name and it should be seen to remember what the man stood for.
Ah, back to the future! The positivity of Scottish independence against the crushing negativity of subservient unionism: not that much has changed. Vote YES!
I don't think its scaremongering or lies to disagree with the positive message the snp. If unionists agreed with the snp's view on how Scotland would function outside of the UK they wouldn't be unionists, would they?
There is scaremongering on the Unionist side, but there is also scaremongering on the pro-independence side. Talk of Westminster rolling back powers in the event of a no vote, "punishing" Scotland in various undefined ways, there never being another referendum again, or even of one never again being *allowed* - I hear all these regularly from independence supporters and I think all are false.
Yes Kevin. By a whole 5%. Restrict the numbers to those that will be alive in 10 years (old and scared people who were targeted by the Better Together campaign tip the scales) and the outcome changes.
Michael Heseltine is spot on here. Labour and Liberals said devolution would kill Scottish nationalism and 15 years on we have a referendum on the issue. I predict (and hope) that the Better Together Campaign will win. However depending on the state of Europe and North Sea Oil, I fear that Scottish independence is inevitable in the next referendum in about 25 years time.
na i think it can happen in september. on the day scottish pride will play a huge roll. the majority of people who say they are voting no just dont want to say they are fed up with the london fat cats
Merry Jerry Jerry, the Welsh are on average more related to the English than to the Scots. Anyway, they wouldn't be leaving really - they'd still be in the same place.
Silly unionists think independence would be a bad thing for Scotland, Ireland left some time ago and they are on course to becoming the richest country in the world, and Scotland has more resources than them
Irish GDP is a mirage. Compare their average incomes, then you will see the real story. Irish GDP only reflects how many multinationals are using it as a base for tax advantages in the EU.
@@harisadu8998 their quality of life is still higher, their GINI lower & their debt level almost HALF the UK's. that's a country with far fewer resoures with scotland. at the very least Ireland proves the establishment are lying about the idea that independence would be some catastrophe (what a surprise)
10 minutes into this video Micheal Heseltine actually said that they would not listen to public opinion regarding policies. That is so worrying and so similar to what we see today with Cameron.
What fascinates me is that Alan Beith makes a most compelling case for a currency union. It would be interesting to see if he would stand by those words today?
I do not have an opinion on the Scottish independence. However, will you agree with me that politicians were better prior to 1992? These politicians are quite different from current ones.
Bloody hell, listen to these guys calmly talking about what they believe in without resorting to buzz words and bullshit. Hope we vote Yes next week, perhaps we can have this again in Scotland. On another note, bitter-sweet to see John Smith here... he was a good man, his early death robbed Labour of a great leader, and probably the country of its next Prime Minister.
It's notable how supercilious and patronising Smith was. And it's interesting how he, like so many Scottish Labour people, simply cannot bring himself to utter the word "England". There is Scotland, there is the United Kingdom, and there are "other parts of the United Kingdom", but to these people England just doesn't exist. Gordon "Nations and Regions" Brown was the worst offender in recent years but had Smith lived I suspect he would have been equally bad.
John Smith would've made a great leader, unlike Blair or Brown... In this clip, he just doesn't seem to look as though he knows where his loyalties lie.. England? Scotland? Britiain?
Hevva67 He was a better man than either Blair or Brown, and a better politician than Brown - no dispute on either point. But as I revisit these old clips it becomes clear to me that he shared the deep-rooted negativity towards England that the majority of his party (not just the Scots - English Labourites are also heavily anti-English) seems to share. He just can't bring himself to utter the E-word. His loyalty was to Britain or the United Kingdom but the largest part of that entity - i.e. England - was something he preferred not to think about or even admit the existence of. English politicians have no problem discussing Scotland as an entity in its own right, but for some reason Scottish politicians scramble either to deny that England exists or to divide it into "regions" that compete with each other. England is a problem for them and they don't like thinking, never mind speaking about it. Salmond is a noble exception - most of the time.
5:50 "The days of the union are numbered if Scotland is given no option but independence, and that is what the Conservatives are saying to Scotland now - either you go independent or you have what THEY call the status quo." And Cameron took devomax off the table for 2014.
Not true at all. It just means that the UK government has been repeating the same old tosh for years.. It was just an eventuality that was bound to come about..
I'd say it's more that the argument for independence is still as valid, and still faces the same forms of opposition. It also tells me that if it's a No vote tomorrow, this isn't going to just go away. He's put his entire political career into this, it's gaining momentum and Scotland may just manage to break away from the UK. I don't think a No vote would have Salmond slinking off, tail between his legs. He, and the others who feel the same way he does, will carry on the case for an independent Scotland.
Not just the audience - the panel's clothes are incredibly dated. All bar Heseltine have baggy suits with very wide peak lapels that look horrendous now, as well as flowery multicoloured ties. The 1990s was a pretty dark time for menswear.
Heseltine was right then but he lost and devolution happened with all the consequences he set out Salmond and Beith are making the augments we are hearing today John Smith sounds like a Guy from the 1950's
I disagree, one individual can have a great impact on the future of a nation. Without Alex Salmond there would've been no SNP majority in 2011, and no indyref.
Couldn't agree more - when that individual spreads a positive message! John Smith, however, was just part of the Labour establishment in Scotland, and his election would not have prevented the SNP rise, because devolution was inevitable, making possible their electoral success.
Doesn't this clip just prove that even in 1992 the Scots were being told voting Labour would save us from the Tories. Fat lot of good that did.
It didn't even save us from labour mate.
an impressive panel of heavy hitters, QT isn't quite the same these days
What an interesting slice of history!
Thank You Eric, a good bit of history and well needed to be seen considering that our Prime Minister has evoked Mr Smith's name and it should be seen to remember what the man stood for.
Ah, back to the future! The positivity of Scottish independence against the crushing negativity of subservient unionism: not that much has changed. Vote YES!
+Alasdair MacNeill Salmond in 1992-younger-and not so fat.23 years later-and he's still waiting! And so are you!
+Alasdair MacNeill Salmond thought it was more important to unveil a portrait of himself,than to discuss the Syrian crisis in Parliament.Nuff said!
+Andrew Pollock a little knowledge is a dangerous thing www.thenational.scot/politics/tories-moves-to-undermine-salmond-for-absence-backfire.10513
The Scottish people should be made to watch this. Nothing has changed, scaremongering and lies by the Unionists while a positive message from the SNP
I don't think its scaremongering or lies to disagree with the positive message the snp.
If unionists agreed with the snp's view on how Scotland would function outside of the UK they wouldn't be unionists, would they?
There is scaremongering on the Unionist side, but there is also scaremongering on the pro-independence side. Talk of Westminster rolling back powers in the event of a no vote, "punishing" Scotland in various undefined ways, there never being another referendum again, or even of one never again being *allowed* - I hear all these regularly from independence supporters and I think all are false.
jeremy Corbyn has a positive message, is he not a unionist?
The Scots obviously do not believe the SNP when it comes to independence as they voted against it.
Yes Kevin.
By a whole 5%.
Restrict the numbers to those that will be alive in 10 years (old and scared people who were targeted by the Better Together campaign tip the scales) and the outcome changes.
Michael Heseltine is spot on here. Labour and Liberals said devolution would kill Scottish nationalism and 15 years on we have a referendum on the issue. I predict (and hope) that the Better Together Campaign will win. However depending on the state of Europe and North Sea Oil, I fear that Scottish independence is inevitable in the next referendum in about 25 years time.
There will never be another referendum.
na i think it can happen in september. on the day scottish pride will play a huge roll. the majority of people who say they are voting no just dont want to say they are fed up with the london fat cats
I'm a Welsh man....don't leave your Celtic cousins....and no, the Welsh don't want independence.
Merry Jerry Jerry, the Welsh are on average more related to the English than to the Scots. Anyway, they wouldn't be leaving really - they'd still be in the same place.
Merry Jerry, I'm a Welshman too and I say go for it Scotland, Lead the way.
It's scary how relevant and accurate these views and concerns were, 22 years before the eve of the referendum.
RIP John Smith.
interesting wee blast from the past,thanks for that upload
Pity we lost John Smith, there's decent guy.
He lived near me in Edinburgh and I remember his funeral taking place.
Heseltine literally predicts everything right.
Not a big salmons fan but his consistency must be admired unique trait in a politician
13:14 long... coincidence? I THINK NOT
Silly unionists think independence would be a bad thing for Scotland, Ireland left some time ago and they are on course to becoming the richest country in the world, and Scotland has more resources than them
Irish GDP is a mirage. Compare their average incomes, then you will see the real story. Irish GDP only reflects how many multinationals are using it as a base for tax advantages in the EU.
@@harisadu8998 their quality of life is still higher, their GINI lower & their debt level almost HALF the UK's.
that's a country with far fewer resoures with scotland.
at the very least Ireland proves the establishment are lying about the idea that independence would be some catastrophe (what a surprise)
Clever guy Salmond.So why does he want to Fuck up Scotland with Seperation.
+YARROWS9 Its WM who is screwing up Scotland....Salmond knows exactly what he is doing....shining the light on dark places.
10 minutes into this video Micheal Heseltine actually said that they would not listen to public opinion regarding policies.
That is so worrying and so similar to what we see today with Cameron.
Vote Yes!
got to love how the video lasts 13 mins 14 seconds, a true testament to snp policies
What fascinates me is that Alan Beith makes a most compelling case for a currency union. It would be interesting to see if he would stand by those words today?
Good point Gail.
no
Mrs Doubtfire in the audience I see
Salmond , you might not like him ,but he thinks years ahead , unlike Labour week to week
this time we will have our... FREEDOM!!!
I do not have an opinion on the Scottish independence. However, will you agree with me that politicians were better prior to 1992? These politicians are quite different from current ones.
thanks for sharing the original questionair made a vslid point back then,mwe have gained nothing from a union,it is indeed time to break away vote YES
Where did you manage to find this in such great quality?
Andrew Busby recording from the time, digitised in the last few months
Vote ”YES” on 18/09/2014
he look so young
A Yes win would be awesome but I doubt the UK will allow it to happen, it wouldn't be the first time a poll was rigged, just saying...
Need to go back in time to let Alex Salmond know he's just about to waste 23 years of his life
Bloody hell, listen to these guys calmly talking about what they believe in without resorting to buzz words and bullshit. Hope we vote Yes next week, perhaps we can have this again in Scotland. On another note, bitter-sweet to see John Smith here... he was a good man, his early death robbed Labour of a great leader, and probably the country of its next Prime Minister.
It's notable how supercilious and patronising Smith was. And it's interesting how he, like so many Scottish Labour people, simply cannot bring himself to utter the word "England". There is Scotland, there is the United Kingdom, and there are "other parts of the United Kingdom", but to these people England just doesn't exist. Gordon "Nations and Regions" Brown was the worst offender in recent years but had Smith lived I suspect he would have been equally bad.
John Smith would've made a great leader, unlike Blair or Brown... In this clip, he just doesn't seem to look as though he knows where his loyalties lie.. England? Scotland? Britiain?
Hevva67
He was a better man than either Blair or Brown, and a better politician than Brown - no dispute on either point. But as I revisit these old clips it becomes clear to me that he shared the deep-rooted negativity towards England that the majority of his party (not just the Scots - English Labourites are also heavily anti-English) seems to share.
He just can't bring himself to utter the E-word. His loyalty was to Britain or the United Kingdom but the largest part of that entity - i.e. England - was something he preferred not to think about or even admit the existence of. English politicians have no problem discussing Scotland as an entity in its own right, but for some reason Scottish politicians scramble either to deny that England exists or to divide it into "regions" that compete with each other. England is a problem for them and they don't like thinking, never mind speaking about it.
Salmond is a noble exception - most of the time.
That's an interesting observation, and I would suggest it's due to evasion of the unpleasant truth that the UK is England's dominion.
I don't think English Labourites are anti-English.. Just anti-Tory, or they used to be anyway..
FrogmortonHotchkiss Except for the fact that is ISN'T and has NEVER been.
Why am I not getting any sound comng through?
Uploaded by the same Eric Spencer from this episode?
5:50
"The days of the union are numbered if Scotland is given no option but independence, and that is what the Conservatives are saying to Scotland now - either you go independent or you have what THEY call the status quo."
And Cameron took devomax off the table for 2014.
All seems a bit light in these days of Brexit...
Remarkably consistent with today (at the time of writing - 2 sleeps 'till YESmas, hopefully).
Hmm, looks like my previous anti-Salmond post got deleted. Afraid of any SNP criticism are you, ERIC SPENCER??
He's saying exactly the same thing today. Which mean's he's had nothing new to offer the Scottish people for 22 years.
Salmond? are you serious? lolll
MrBobbybee223 Yeah... what do you mean?
Not true at all. It just means that the UK government has been repeating the same old tosh for years.. It was just an eventuality that was bound to come about..
Hevva67 Well that's one thing they have in common.
I'd say it's more that the argument for independence is still as valid, and still faces the same forms of opposition.
It also tells me that if it's a No vote tomorrow, this isn't going to just go away. He's put his entire political career into this, it's gaining momentum and Scotland may just manage to break away from the UK. I don't think a No vote would have Salmond slinking off, tail between his legs. He, and the others who feel the same way he does, will carry on the case for an independent Scotland.
10:05 Brexit?!
2:41 Strike a pose!
Some doddgy 1990's fashion in the audience there
Not just the audience - the panel's clothes are incredibly dated. All bar Heseltine have baggy suits with very wide peak lapels that look horrendous now, as well as flowery multicoloured ties. The 1990s was a pretty dark time for menswear.
Heseltine was right then but he lost and devolution happened with all the consequences he set out Salmond and Beith are making the augments we are hearing today John Smith sounds like a Guy from the 1950's
If John Smith had lived Scotland could well have been saved from the hands of Salmond and the nats.
In your dreams, mate! One individual can't prevent the rebirth of a nation.
I disagree, one individual can have a great impact on the future of a nation. Without Alex Salmond there would've been no SNP majority in 2011, and no indyref.
Couldn't agree more - when that individual spreads a positive message! John Smith, however, was just part of the Labour establishment in Scotland, and his election would not have prevented the SNP rise, because devolution was inevitable, making possible their electoral success.
The SNP's rise was far from inevitable
I fully agree , the Prime Minister we never had.......don't they all look younger.
Vote yes it our chance to get our own country back from bankers and torys from london ,
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Another reason to vote NO and stay in the UK
Vote Yes!!
I hate Alex Salmond.
Days of the Union numbered? wrong Alex you had your chance and fluffed it.
we eck will look good in his jail suit..
Comment aged badly
Salmond doesn't know the meaning of the word democracy.