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Obviously nothing breaks the laws of physics (in this universe) there's only a lot of people around that failed physics.
"Breaking the laws of physics" usually means you're fudging the data....
Except objects witnessed by US armed forces personnel under sworn testimony in congressional inquiry .
@@joshuaherner7315 and that should tell you all you need to know about what their testimony is worth.....
Unless our understanding of the laws of physics is wrong. Newton's theory on gravity worked until it didn't and Einstein's relativity gave us a better understand, but even that is incomplete. Never think any "law" of physics is absolutely set in stone
@@joshuaherner7315 eyewitness testimony is among the least reliable forms of evidence. Our brains are pattern-matching and riddle-solving machines; they _will_ produce a result, regardless of how incomplete the data are.
When a CEO talk about physics, move on 😂
Bet they burn spectacularly
If it overheats yeah, so will you if you had all the water taken out of you lol
Don't take that "breaks the laws of physics" too literally. It's more a sign of showing that one is astonished by something - and not of believing that the natural laws physics is trying to describe have been broken.
Exactly. Funny how people seemingly took it seriously.
Tesla fans surely did
They shattered what truck manufacturers thought was possible. But even that stance has to make many assumptions. Tesla pushed the limits of what people thought was possible. However these trucks are new. They havent even reched half their lifespan. So the data is going to be skewed slightly. If everyone ran new fleets all the time efficiency in the trucks would shoot through the roof but so would costs.
I would love to see you do an episode focused on the Edison Motors electric semi that is being built for vocational and off road applications. Best description for the product is as a fully electric semi with a built in level three fast charger. It can drive for two hours off its batteries, then the generator kicks in and it can keep driving off generator power because it produces enough to charge the batteries at the same time. Drive two hours on batteries, keep driving while it charges for 40 minutes, go back to driving on batteries. Less than a third the fuel used to haul the same load over the same rout.
Yup, Edison motors was started by someone who worked in the logging industry. Originally meant for back woods mountain environments requiring extreme torque and far from the nearest charger but with the ability to regen with a load of logs as you made your downhill to market, this is genius application of an electric hybrid solution. Edison Motors is also building it's trucks using rugged truck design lessons learned from the grueling lumber industry. Edison's trucks remind me of locomotives (but without the weight). Not for everybody but quite cool.
- just need to add that the built in level 3 charger is diesel-electric (just like some of the Tesla megacharger sites' backup / peak supply).
Hybrids are a completely different story, Full EV semis would be a disaster.
@@user-vp1sc7tt4m So what you're saying is that there is a modern-day Tesla - Edison battle? I like Edison's chances this time around. 👍
Edison is a fraud product. that news broke a few months ago. it's a fraud product with scam numbers.
I have a degree in Physics (but it's very old, from the 70's and nuclear didn't become a viable profession). Did they change the laws of Physics while I wasn't looking?
Or maybe ... you know that those German companies sometimes have difficulties understanding laws (**cough dieselgate cough**).
Obviously no change in laws, and none were broken
😂😂😂
@@harmony3138 Well then, I like his views on physics and investment opportunities.
Actually thats their way to say Tesla is cheating.
@@harmony3138Hmm, look at the BYD company overall finance, if Tesla has BYD stats, Tesla's stock would tank like there is no tomorrow.
Truck factory is outside of Sparks NV. This is about 670 km (420 mi) from Las Vegas NV. I did the drive in my Model 3 last year (from Lassen Volcanic NP) last year.
I wondered why Tesla trucks from Las Vegas sounded unusual
After luten disaster , should change channel name to electric fire lighter !!!
It's not proven correct, no laws were broken, the Semi design was just shown to be more efficient than others.
Thanks Captain Obvious - we really thought Tesla did it
Or they lied teslagate
@@Encourageable obvious yes, but Sam and countless others still use the meaningless term
It's Australian shorthand for saying that Mercedes was basically saying that Tesla was LYING.
@remakeit2628 yes, but that was a very vague comment by Mercedes, and if you're accusing someone of lying, you should state facts and be specific. Mercedes didn't understand the technology or efficiencies of the Semi, so they made a vague criticism
Why would Mercedes make a brick shaped truck. Are they trying to increase drag coefficient?
Probably they didn’t retool the factory and produced a similar shape due to manufacturing limitations :/
It’s about vehicle length, which is limited for trucks. You can’t force all haulers to buy new trailers.
European laws are strict. They practically require that horrible design...
@@skydivekrazy76 I can understand this problem especially after driving on all the narrow, almost non-existent roads in Italy.
@@skydivekrazy76 Think I heard EU is looking to change that soon luckily.
I see the Frito Lay Tesla semi on I-5 a lot now. At first it turned heads now you just pass them and move along!
I’ve been seeing them too!!!
Yea, you gotta pass then of you will be an hour late for wherever you are headed lol. I hate getting behind one on a hill. Electric will be nice but we just don't have it figured out yet.
Imagine that massive battery on fire, at a food distribution hub ,somewhere near you!
Good lord, do you not do any research at all? According to the NHTSA electric vehicles are 10-12x LESS likely to catch on fire than internal combustion vehicles. I swear, it's like listening to Democrats talk about guns.
A EV has to be more likely to catch fire. It's physics. A diesel is very unlikely to catch fire. I don't care what some supposed "study" says.
It would be interesting to know how much consumption increases from an empty Semi to a fully loaded one.
The Pepsi trucks and Frito Lay trucks don't have heavy loads even then. I'm currious if they can do the job hauling coiled steel.
@@joseph1150 Regardless of how heavy what you are carrying is, you have a legal weight limit for truck loads. The problem is damage to roads is estimated to vary with the fourth power of weight on an axle.
"It would be interesting to know how much consumption increases from an empty Semi to a fully loaded one."
This depends on effectiveness of regenerative braking. With perfect regeneration it wouldn't change much and with bad regeneration it would be close to linear with weight.
@@joseph1150 Pallets of soda syrup are quite heavy. Pepsi said that most trucks were loaded between 60 to 70k lbs, near the limit of normal semi trucks at 80k lbs, and Electric Semi trucks at 82k lbs.
@@jefflittle8913 You made a good comment about axle loads, and then you made a dumb comment on loaded vs empty semis. Come on. Its about F=ma, W=Fd, and Power=W/t, here with friction and heat losses. Heavy loads consume far more battery power, regen braking or not. If what you are saying were true, EV cars would have unlimited range but for limits on the efficiency of their regen braking. They do not.
Don’t tell Bill Gates.
With Hollywood having a writers strike I think there will be plenty of opportunities for these automotive "CEO"s to transition into new opportunities. I think they could make some great comedy shows.
The strike ended September 27th, 2023.
Electric trucks greatly reduces driver fatigue way less things to do shifting gears alone is tiring after while removing that aspect alone adding a extra quiet cabin and possible driver assist hey its better already if you ask me.
@Matthew.Sirrom To the point they get that relaxing drivers Fall Asleep.
I drove truck for a bit,well said.
How many of the test trucks burst into flames while charging or just sitting there? How many burst into flames after being involved in an accident?
Since about 200,000 American autos burst into flames every year, they have a long while to catch up.
@@lawrenceleske3470A fossil fueled vehicle fire can actually be suppressed quickly. EV's on fire have to burn out completely. This is a fact. Your comparison is apples to oranges seeing that you are comparing the century old automobile to a rebirth of a proven failure. Electric vehicles are a joke. Mark my words. The idea they are good for the planet is blasphemy.
If trying to make the case for fire safety EVs Vs IC it's important to show proportionality not raw numbers. It's also important to compare the two types of fire and the impact each has.
I don't know which comes out on top if you do that, but no matter what side of the fence you're on if you're not factoring for those two things then your view is nothing better than a guess.
Then we can look at scenarios under which the fires happen and see if that means anything.
It's probably also important to track the fire rate of early ic vehicles through to modern ones. Do we see a similar reduction curve per million vehicles for EVs the last 20 years Vs the first 20 years of mass IC production?
The issue is exposure. Over 600 IC vehicles per day catch fire. How many are reported in any media? 1 ev fire per week gets into the news. You are right, percentages count, but this is not a rational issue being debated, its perception badly skewed as misinformation. @@jezlawrence720
@@jezlawrence720 do your research,ICE cars have more fires than Ecars by% of vehicles.
Tesla brings admiration and jobs to the US auto industry that had been declined for decades
And that decline will accelerate with the demands of the (corrupt ?) UAW...
@@chrisheath2637Tesla will monopolize the US auto industry.
@@chrisheath2637 The UAW is not demanding anything that is out of line with what makers in the EU pay. Mercedes pays it and manages to stay in business just fine. Labor is not really the limiting factor on manufacturing. Availability of parts and reliability of electrical power are right up at the top of the list.
Teslas are the only US branded passenger cars on the top sellers' list in Australia. The cars are manufactured in China but are technically the same as the US ones.
@@rais1953That's because they are designed and engineered by Americans and assembled in China due to cheap labor costs.
breaking the laws of physics?? That can't be legal!!
This was a semi-good video! 😜
Time for the PEP Squad to boldly spring into action. (Physics Enforcement Police Squad) Thanks again Sam.
Thunderf00t video incoming 🤣
We may consider doing just that but you won't like the real physics.
When we mention physics, we should be talking about coefficient of drag. As @austinpowers1999 mentioned, why are they making a brick-shaped truck? Yes, European countries have length limitations but why is Mercedes designing a very tall cab when there isn't a huge diesel engine the driver is sitting on top of? The drive motors on the Tesla Semi are located between the rear wheels along with a cruising motor up front. If Mercedes and the other brick-shaped semi manufacturers simply followed the design of the Tesla Semi, adjusting the cab to sit forward but no more than 2/3rds the height of the Semi, this alone should help reduce their drag coefficient significantly. It's ~0.36 drag coefficient has to be much lower than the others. Do we have information on all the other semis on the road and those in design?
From Tesla Semi forum: "... amazing semi specs. 0.4 drag coefficient compared to 0.8 with a regular semi."
because the trailer has that heigth anyway.
Plenty of trucks even have an extra piece on top of the cabin to reduce air drag.
@@Robbedem I was thinking what they should do is streamline the trailer so that the front is more sloped. A small slope would not sacrifice much carrying capacity --especially if you don't load the truck to the ceiling. That way the cab height could be lowered even more and weight and air resistance reduced.
P.S. Yeah, I know most trailers are boxy and that they are stuck with using those, but if you could design a whole new cab/trailer...
@@kenbob1071sure, just replace the millions of trailers already out there, to be more sustainable, sure
P.S. forgot to read his P.S.
@@iaintdonknow uh, dude read my "P.S."
@@kenbob1071 missed it thanks
So what was the range in those areas that are ridiculously hot and the AC would be on? Or those areas where it would be cold enough to have to turn the heater on? Anyone know?
Yes, but they're not telling.
@@thisisnumber0 Of course they're not telling because that would toss their whole grift into the garbage.
Probably a lot like the cars where the heater can run for 8.5 days off the battery pack. I’m not sure my Toyota can idle for 8.5 days on a full tank.
Viking - Semis are built in Reno/Sparks NV, not Las Vegas
Yes Reno is about 8 hours from last Vegas, no where near last Vegas, it is only about 3 hours from San Francisco where the cars are made
I am very happy to see this analyzed, when these statements were made some time ago, they were made with great gravitas and an aire of expertise. I remember thinking at the time, those so-called facts had better be correct and verifiable or they are just spewing more FUD under the guise of facts.
Now we see that they were indeed spreading disinformation designed to sow doubt.
No patent from the US patent office if you break the laws of physics. 😊
It is interesting that in different universes or different locations in our 3D universe there are different laws of physics in different areas of space time.
We are just beginning to scratch the surface of understanding how the laws of physics can vary. I'm glad we are growing in our understanding albeit very slowly.
This keeps us from expecting the same laws of physics everywhere.
To hell with cognitive dissonance and I celebrate new understanding when new facts are presented.
remember that's harder to charge a battery over a certain percentage, so it's faster to charge to charge from 30 to 60% twice than from 30 to 90% once
They need to change the law about side mirrors and permit cameras to be used instead. That would reduce a lot of drag and wind noise. We really need to increase efficiency if we are going to battle climate change.
Maybe folding mirrors for highway and use cameras for lane changes at high speeds. Mirrors could be very useful for maneuvering in tight spaces. It’s hard for older eyes to see details in a screen vs maintaining focal range with mirrors.
The drag from mirrors on a big rig is unlikely to be a significant fraction of overall drag. Chances are, they could gain more by adding the skirts under the trailer and those flap things on the back of it. A trailer is a big brick being shoved through the air.
This is already allowed but I think its only for high value goods
We have always had climate change, the biggest were before man ever walked the earth. Man made global warming is a cult.
LMAO The sun controls the earth's climate. I don't fall for mainstream lies. Do some research please.
Charging EVs from 10%-60% then leaving the charger session seems to be the most efficient charge cycle for me and other EV owners. My recent road trip went smoothly and quickly using this method. My Model 3 ramped up to 250kw for quite a bit before starting to ramp down to 110kw before I unplugged and moved on. The America-record setting Porsche Taycan Cannonball used the 10%-60% to set their EV race record.
Ramp up ramp down.😅
Anyone seen a vape pen battery explode, you know the video’s are all over this platform. Imagine a crash like we always see with a 18 wheelers but now you get an explosion that burns hotter than the surface of the sun in that white flash and can’t be put out with standard extinguishers.
I would sure like to know how the Janus EV truck technology from Australia performs compared to all these other trucks
Not as good as the Taurus 👍
NOT as Efficient.
If a company develops the ultimate platform for trucking, one can assume that said company develops the superior technology for passenger cars……amazing that a small number of EV consumers still run the other way…..
Do these results bode well for Cybertruck's range?
Hauling 82k Gross 535+ miles in 8 Hours , seems Pretty good .
and Tesla semi did 1070 miles in 24H.
breaks the laws of stupidity.
They forgot a heavy moving vehicle has much kinetic energy that can be mostly converted back to electricity, instead as being mostly wasted as heat energy?
That is why electric trains is the ultimate in economy . 90% of kinetic energy is returned to grid , and used by another train going up a slope. There is a rail system , where the ore is transported from 1km+ elevation to sea level . The electricity generated by the loaded train going down , is more than enough to power the empty returning train . So basically free fuel running .
Thanks for this video on #trucks, #electric_trucks. And How they compare #volvo_truck #Mercedes-Benz_Trucks or #tesla_truck.
Increasing the range of an electric vehicle is the easiest part of electric vehicle optimization. Doesn't even need and engineer, just put a more batteries, there is load of space in a semi formatted for the USA. A bit like having a bigger tank in your car.
The HUGE size of the Tesla semi (comparable to internal combustion american semis) makes it ALMOST totally UNUSABLE in Europe. Just ask a semi driver who drives in Europe on various types of transport (I mean not limited to port-dock -> port-dock).
Other points that are, to me, important:
- the limited supply of lithium worlwide
- the place where we buy lithium/the place where it is transformed/the place where we buy the batteries (watch the direction of my eyes...)
- the aging of batteries. I haven't seen it included in the comparative studies since the ones I saw where just done on the basis of almost brand new electric semis. Watch your phone battery maximum capacity after 2 or 3 years and imagine being the operating officer of a fleet. If after 3 years you have lost 9-10% of the battery capacity, i.e. range... it is a big problem. Because you will not be able (and/or allowed) to charge anywhere like electric cars do.
- Maximum capacity (power) available on the grid is not magically unlimited. Meaning you would certainly have various time constraints for your recharges.
- Who will pay for the new nuclear/solar/wind power stations in order to cope with the increasing demand?
- what is the advantage of switching the pollution from the truck to the power station ? Some countries are still relying heavily on coal or gas power station. Other countries - a big one among them is Germany - have stopped using nuclear energy (how stupid) without a green alternative: they now have replaced nuclear by COAL until they-don't-know-yet. COAL IS THE WORST OF the WORSTS.
- a BIG BIG problem, to my eyes, is that we (in Europe at least) are trying to push towards railroad alternatives which are a proven more efficient system (we have a vast majority of electric trains otherwise it would not be so interesting) for a part of the transports. If buying an electric truck makes you forget about transitionning a part of your transport towards rail, I DON'T LIKE IT.
Hi sir. The factory is near Reno, not Las Vegas.
Tesla car battery = Bomb.
Tesla truck battery = Neuclear bomb😂😂
You might be interested in what the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) says about this: " *It takes some time* for enough energy to accumulate to trigger thermal runaway in a battery. This makes them different from ICEVs, *which can be quickly ignited* by a spark or flame." Sounds like it's the ICEVs, not the EVs, that are blowing up.
@@BigBen621
What the cult fail to admit in all this is there are very few 'actual' petrol/diesel fires per se, rather there are electrical faults.
Now, correct me if I'm wrong but, isn't there an electrical system in EVs also or am I dumb?
Couple that to the huge amount of fires in older cars which are caused by 'less than savoury' updates, guys doing their own stuff on their cars, fitting woofer systems, radios, new lighting systems etc etc and the figure for ICE car fires would be reduced to virtually nil.
Petrol needs an ignition and diesel is virtually impossible to light in a vehicle under normal driving conditions.
It will come to pass, once all the EVs are old enough, and young bucks get their hands on them, fit all the above mentioned and not only will you have their handy work to deal with, you will also have that bomb under your ass, wasting away just waiting to go boom.
When these explode and they will, it will level half a city block.
It’ll be hilarious when they have these hauling gasoline tanker trailers.
The primary reason for Tesla Semi's unsurpassed efficiency, is due to vertical integration, and no compromise electrical engineering design. Most Auto/Truck manufacturers depend on 3rd party supplier designed parts, which will have lot more compromises made already(due to more generic design to cater to multiple manufacturers), leaving little room for further optimizations. Unfortunately, there is no other way around it, other than to have a similar engineering team that implements vertical integration in the design and manufacturing process. Just some 💭❤️👍
The Superchargers at Pepsi are 700 kW. They basically use two V3 Supercharger input circuits for each truck Supercharger. Basically what powers 8 V3 superchargers (4 each). Each cabinet's input is 430 Amps 480V 3-Phase. Max continuous power of 350 kVA. That gives 350 kW * 2.
A video of the Pepsi site shows 4 V4 Superchargers hooked up to 8 V3 cabinets. A presenter mentions a 3 MW grid connection. That makes sense, 8 cabinets use 2.8 MW of electricity. The cabinets can cross share up to 575 kW. So the max through put of a cabinet is be 350 kW + 575 kW = 925 kW. My guess is 700 kW with 4 trucks and maybe 925 kW with less trucks. So a maximum between 700-925 kW.
I have not seen the spec plates. The big unknown is the output power of that semi charger cable. I don't think anyone has seen that yet.
I just took a look at a newer V3 spec plate. The vales are slightly increased. From those spec I would estimate 774-967 kW maximum.
No hills, no wind, and less than a half load, thats how they broke the laws of physics
In the Run On Less tests, many of the runs were weighed-out loads of soft drinks, with a payload of 15 tons or more, climbing from near sea level at Sacramento, to 7200 feet at Donner Summit, on the way to Reno. But even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while; you're right about winds, which were pretty mild most days.
So according to the test they ran it was around 600 miles on American roads and at 80,000#’s only downside of that test was they ran at 55mph so that kind of sucks but otherwise I think it’s not bad for an electric semi
And running down hill !!!
lol big hill😂
@@lonesome187 You seem to be conflating two tests, but getting neither of them right. The 500 mile range test was run in December 2022, from Fresno, CA to San Diego, CA, with an average speed of about 55 MPH, consistent with the 55 MPH speed limit for trucks in California.
The Run On Less tests, which this video is about, recorded three Tesla Semis delivering weighed-out loads of soft drinks from the PepsiCo Sacramento Bottling Plant to various destinations on 44 24-hour days in September, averaging 617 miles a day, with a maximum of 1,076 miles in one day, at governed speeds of 60 or 62 MPH.
Trucks would be ideal for battery swap features...
I do expect that battery swapping will be used in some long haul trucking applications. It seems a no brainier to me.
NOPE , Battery swap is too CAPX Expensive and LIMITS Growth.
battery packs tied up in Stations , then you cant BUILD any Trucks.
Superchargers work to Expand TRUCK production .
Tesla only uses front drive for driving at a constant speed without acceleration.
The double drive on the rear axle is mechanically decoupled.
Keep up the great work . Hilarious every time. Deadpan expression as you deliver the jokes. Just hope some don’t think you as serious.
Remember this is without 4680s as far as I know and without optimized 4680 packs , without Silicon anode, imagine what happens when this is in with FSD semis driving a fleet of semis behind the main driver, what happens to cost and efficiencies?
See North American turnpikes (up to 2 x 53 foot) trailers or in Western Canada a super B with a 53 foot trailer behind.
Nothing, Elon has been promising a functional FSD “next year” since 2016. So we should expect it next year right?
@@jacobd1432it's true that Elon time is notoriously wrong but it's inevitable.
@@Distress. not sure about that man, I mean just look at the hyper loop
@@jacobd1432 oh yeah lol, I meant car and AI wise, the hyperloop isn't physically possible.
Welcome trucking industry to the valley of death
notice how every other electric semi is a big flat wall of metal smacking into the air...and even worse, with lots of irregularity in the surface, almost like they made an attempt at designing the most inefficient front end in a wind tunnel as possible .....smh...
Heavy battery = reduced cargo load = more trucks needed. How is this environmentally friendly?
Electric trucks are allowed an extra weight allowance.
@@jaaklucas1329 How very safe.
Great video and well explained.
Tesla seems to do like most time.
They deliver the impossible late.
Thanks Mate!
Fun fact: You cannot break the laws of Physics, no matter what. So, Tesla did not break the laws of physics..... It is just that Mercedes is incompetent? Useless? Something along those lines.
Or tesla exaggerates.
Are you dense? They insinuated that Tesla lied
I heard that the competition was saying what Tesla claimed was impossible for a Truck (Tractor) to achieve. Tesla's secret? They designed a complete system involving both the Tractor and the Trailer. Designing holistically with both contributing to energy reclamation, the impossible became possible.
@@Rastor0 Yes a neat Jedi Mind trick.
@@komentierer Dense is the new norm educated
tesla might have trapsorted fritolays feathers and flowers to get that insane range ..
Your intro is the best. Let me repeat this: the best.
How radical - Tesla semi does what they say it can do. Let that sink in Bill Gates.
Didn't mention the loads they were carrying. Just gross weight.
Gates likely isn’t shorting Tesla at the moment.
We saw a Tesla semi truck break the law of physics out on interstate 5, and then it broke down on the side of the road. The funny thing was, they sent a diesel powered truck out to try to fix it. I guess that's why Tesla uses diesel truck to deliver their Tesla cars to their distributors!
Ouch! 😂
Is this supposed to be a "gotcha!"? When Tesla gets around to making repair trucks, they will also outperform ICE. No offense, just pointing out you don't have a point.
So diesel powered trucks don’t break down? Bad argument. Just because they don’t have the infrastructure in place yet doesn’t mean it’s a foolish venture. The same was said when cars were invented and people riding horses snickered when they broke down.
Wow - you witnessed all this? Like you were driving along and saw it, saw it break down, waited on the side of the road with it to watch a diesel truck tow it away? Sounds like horseshit…
I am bus driver in Poland (EU). My working hours is going to my driver's card, i should insert to tachograf unit before start working. And YES, after 4,5 hours of driving i have to stop&rest for at least 45 minutes.
In the USA there is a required break of 30 minutes every 8 hours, but one can only drive 11 hours of every 14.
no breaks required for self driving
your statement makes no sense. you drive 11 hours of 14 then can drive 11 hours again. nope is it 11 of 24 ?
@@ronblack7870 It is complicated enough that many people have questions about the regulations. maybe you've heard of google and would find something there you could understand.
@@ronblack7870 he means the after 11 hours, you have to rest for at least 3.
TESLA did 1070 miles w/ 3 Slipseat Drivers in 24H period
Very interesting presentation..your comment on Hydrogen in trucking seems to be happening..I guess batteries are driving the routes, while hydrogen is still looking at the way to go😊
Meanwhile , EU and UK are Permanently CLOSING some Hydrogen stations.
Pepsico (SAC) & Frito-Lay (Modesto) are both Powered by 100% Renewable Energy & Power the TESLA semis.
hydrogen fuel cell powering an electric drivetrain that is...
Someone who says "x breaks the laws of physics" usually doesn't know physics, let alone the laws of physics.
I'm more charitable. Someone starts with some assumptions, turns the crank on the laws of physics to see what that implies, and points to the results as what the laws of physics say is possible. My father, who worked in early computers, says that people would publish papers about the theoretical limits on computers dictated by the laws of physics. Then those limits would be surpassed. This happened several times, until such papers became less popular. Of course, the laws of physics didn't change, and were unviolated. How does that happen? Well, people pull some assumptions out of the air, launder them by running them through the laws of physics, and make such "laws of physics" claims. The laws of physics are sometimes printed on T-shirts and even taught in schools; people should do their own calcs. Just make note of what assumptions you're making...
Exactly, and what laws do they claim Tesla broke? It was just an expression from Mercedes, not a scientific statement
Not sure as I am not in the trucking industry here in USA, but I have heard it is a mandatory 30 minutes of stoppage time every eight hours in America.
That exceeds bladder specs.
@@Ask-a-Rocket-ScientistCatheter? I use a pee-bottle!
for this TEST , Tesla did 1070 miles w/ 3 Slipseat Drivers in 24H
Engineers are overlooking what the BMS and drive motors are doing. Its not a question of how the system is made, its a question of how the system is being operated.
A big part of the Semi's success is down to the powerful motors. The secret sauce is: The motors are way more powerful than they need to be for forward motion. But this large capacity gives the ability for much higher amount of regen charging of the battery when braking or going downhill.
I suppose the other companies will figure this out in about five or six years. If their brains don't go back into hibernation.
The problems with electric trucks, are totally mitigated by driver’s mandatory stops.
As they can charge while you have a mandatory meal break, they have no more ‘down-time’ than diesel powered equivalents. In fact, they mean mandatory rest breaks cannot be ‘skipped’, which is better for drivers, and safer for every single person travelling the roads alongside them.
And also - filling with diesel requires you to spend maybe 15 minutes with the truck. Electric ? Plug in and get your full 1/2 hour break... I know which I would choose...
How is not producing enough electricity to power a fleet conversion fixed by drivers stopping? During summer California has rolling blackouts with the current load.
Truck driver here. We are allowed to hook and unhook trailers during our 30 minute reset. By the time my pre trip is done I maybe have 5 minutes to use the restroom before I can keep driving.
@@MrJturner74California is producing 22 GW do you really think a few MW will make any difference?
Gasoline and diesel refining requires 4.2 kWh/gallon
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In the UK you're not even allowed to clean your mirrors whilst on your break.
Rest Break means exactly that.
NO misinterpretations.
Merc needs to start with an erodynamic shape ! Boxes don't cut through air too well , well that's what the girl on the checkout at Aldi said 😂
For short haul inside a city aerodynamics is not all that important. A box will do if the result and make it through the narrow roads and tight turns. For longer trips, the load really should be on rails. An electric train is going to do a lot better on tons moved a distance per KWH.
Greetings. Aerodynamics isn't really important for long haul. The driver needs a cabin with a berth. Having the steering axle beneath your arse makes the vehicle easier to manoeuvre in tight spaces.
EV-semis will work where the starting point and destination have MW charging points. We'll need diesel for everything else.
There are length ´rules, and streets / destinations are more narrow in Europe
So max length rules are much different.
In the US, a trailer can be max 59 feet, the truck itself has no length limit
In EU, the complete length is max 61 feet
They are boxy, because in Europe, the limit in length of a truck includes the cabin, unlike in America where it is only the cargo that counts. So European trucks are boxy like that to be shorter and be able to carry more cargo.
I get why they did that law... American trucks could not turn in most European streets and in some roads. Putting a limit gives civil engineers the assurance that every vehicle can make a turn, or that it will fit in a cargo bay. But it is one of those laws that are done with good reasons and intentions, but that generates unintended side effects.
It would be interesting to see by how much the range increases if the wheels are properly covered for better aerodynamics as well
As well as using super single tires
Imagine if they gave them hard steel wheels, put them on a steel rail, linked them together, and ran mile long groups of them across those rails. It would be revolutionary. I can't believe no one has thought of that. @@michelcote
Going EV means a massive investment. Not just in the actual truck but in providing enough charging bays. 1MW bays are very costly, since it involves upgrading all the electric infrastructure. EV truck operators will also want certainty of charging, especially for overnight stops, so maybe charging will be required in most truck bays. But how close should trucks be parked, especially with valuable loads? It is not that EV trucks will be likely to catch fire, but the inferno if such an enormous battery ignites. What will insurance cost, assuming cover is available? It will need an adventurous fleet manager to propose going EV!!
Good video coverage of Tesla's performance in the "run on less" event. Pretty impressive. A couple of minor corrections: Tesla semi are build near Reno NV, not Las Vegas, and they use 2170 cells, not 4680. IIRC the latter was confirmed by Tesla execs (Elon and Drew) at the last earnings call (Q22023).
680kW battery = very big fire. 😂😂😂😂😂😂.
200-300 gallons of diesel = very big fire
When one of those battery packs spontaneously combusts, the truck will bury itself. It is going to happen.
No, it’s not. You clearly don’t know anything about batteries how they are made and how they are encased.
@@Shaqshaq_pov No, I do, and you do not. EV car batteries, and power plant storage battery fires have happened, and not that infrequently. It is an easy subject to read up on.
Great to see not only Mercedes, but Bill Gates have to eat their words!.
In Europe it's a 45 minute break every 4.5 hours of driving
I expect local electric trucks to be good for local deliveries but the tech has a ways to go for longer distance ones. One the major problems remains the battery. EV trucks are heavy, and a lot of their legally allowed weight is spent on the battery, leaving less room to haul cargo. In general it's like half as much as a Diesel truck if not worse.
yeah its all fake. whatever
_In general it's like half as much as a Diesel truck if not worse._
*FALSE.* Payload is around 43,000 to 44,000 lbs., which is within about 1 to 1½ tons of what a diesel truck can legally carry in the US.
Time for the "Tesla Amendment" to the Laws of Physics?
What did the truck weigh and how much cargo weight?
So the main take away is, that they measured 22 parameters and they found out, that both Mercedes and Tesla have chargers rated at 1MW charging power?
One of these, on fire and with the ensuing thermal runaway, could produce a cloud of death threatening entire small towns, especially in the tight confines of western Europe. The fumes they generate can kill with very limited exposure and first responders must wear self-contained breathing devices. They also cannot be extinguished by any current technologies and must be allowed to burn, sometimes for days. Very little about the dangers of these huge batteries makes it out of legacy media news outlets as our headlong rush towards the unattainable “net zero” will tolerate no questions nor any thoughtful reflection.
Such fires burn incredibly hot. Nothing nearby would survive.
Now they need 40"-53" trailers with full solar roofs to charge on route!!!
Elon Musk didn't think it would be worth it. People don't understand batteries. They keep insisting that solar be at the place of charging.
I can see small cars, and even shade canopies that have solar. Provide shade, protection from hail, rain. That makes sense. There are some urban streets that have covered sidewalks, it would be nice.
I don't know, food trucks, would probably help.
Would be a very good idea to cover the trailers in solar panels
Great for refrigeration also…
@@tireddad6541that was for cars where weight is much more important.
@@whowhy9023 Weight is arguably more important in the hauling industry. A higher empty GVW means less carrying capacity for operators.
A solar panel covering the full surface area of the trailer will, in real workd conditions, generate about 13kW (probably a lott less when mounted on a moving playform at suboptimal angles). This will make a negligible difference and reduce the truck’s payload.
Not so much the laws of physics as the limits of Mercedes engineering.
Mercedes have to design trucks with the considerations of the whole world excluding NA, while Tesla just have to make trucks for the consideration of just NA mostly and mostly the USA at that, the Tesla Semi is based around a ~37 tonne GTW, Mercedes will be considering 40 tonne to 46 tonne GTW as a baseline tractor unit, the former being 4x2 and the latter being 6x2 or 6x4, that is before you even get to market specific ones in Europe like for Scandinavia\Finland, and lets not forget the effects of cold weather on battery capacity.
Considering the cost of the massive electrical loads at every truckstop....dont think 50 billion is going to come close to updating infrastructure....that's the physics to question
Nikola realized that their hydrogen semi truck was not going anywhere and they made a clever move: They also built a battery electric semi truck to compete with Tesla, since only battery semis have a future....
Nikola's truck was going somewhere - but only if rolling down a hill...
Battery semis will have a future eventually, but it's still too early for adoption. They don't have enough range yet to see widespread adoption. If they can start doing 600 miles on a charge and truck stops start adding charging stations, and crazy California needs to actually add some truck stops (there's only like 3 in the entire state, and they are super tiny, especially considering they are a major shipping port), and then electric semis stand a chance of dominating the market. Until then they are just an impractical novelty.
NIKOLA BEV does not even Compete w/ TESLA 300 mile semi.
ICE semi truck record is 1165 miles in one day. Tesla is still second best.
Breathing diesel fumes is the issue here.
A more correct assesement is that Tesla instead built the semi at the edge of the laws of physics to maximise efficiency
the problem is, the US is not comparable to for example to Europe, likewise how one haulier uses a truck is often not comparable to how another haulier uses a truck, then you have the trucks themselves and the regulations the operate under, for example 40 tons (80,000LB GTW) in the US is very different from 40 tonnes (88,185LB GTW) or 44 tonnes (97,003LB GTW) in Europe, ever wandered why Europe has more powerful trucks on average, its because on average the haul more weight, on average on the road network they encounter is very different to the US, and the topography of the terrain is generally more hilly in Europe, while the US has some vast relatively speaking flat spaces, the only way your going to get a fair comparison is to run the trucks side by side on the same roads at the same times, hauling the same trailers with the same weight loads in, with drivers that drive in similar manner, if any part of the comparison is different (roads and routes used, trailers used, weights carried, etc) the the test is not comparative, its just smoke and mirrors.
The physics aspect that everyone seems to ignore is the batteries... there is a limit to how fast you can charge batteries while maintaining their integrity. It will be interesting to see what speed of charging various sizes of batteries can actually endure in real world conditions. No matter what when you charge batteries quickly it puts more wear on them then charging them slower and that fact is often overlooked in the electric vehicle industry.
nah i think the biggest physics aspect everyone but tesla seems to ignore is aerodynamics for efficiency.
Actually, new studies have confirmed that the problem is not charging speed, but heat.
If the BMS keeps the temperature within the safe range, then fast charging does not affect battery health or longevity.
@@davidmenasco5743 studies can be misinterpreted... Damage to batteries can be limited by advanced temperature control and other advanced charging strategies... It may be that fast charging can approach the same levels of battery endurance but the physics don't change; charging a battery faster causes more entropy and more degradation. Controlling the heat is an important aspect but not the only one, slow charging will always be better for batteries in the long run. It is a matter of finding the optimal balance between charging speed and battery endurance for any given vehicle or application. I would like to see some kind of a business model that allows battery packs to be charged and ready at gas stations to allow rapid changing of battery packs and simultaneously allow more environmentally friendly slow charging. I understand that is not possible for now because battery packs are integrated into the chassis of EVs and the manufacturers like to keep changing battery packs a very expensive service, which is unfortunate.
@@davidmenasco5743 yes and this is a big advantage with tesla, they have pretty good temp regulation and cooling systems for their battery packs.
The Nikola scam has soured a few people about electric Semi trucks.
Of course they say it breaks the laws of physics, look at their trucks! If you build them shaped like a brick you loose over 40% of the energy just pushing the air out of the way when cruising at highway speeds!
NV Giga factory is in Northern NV in Sparks. NV outside of Reno.
Can't wait to see one of these on fire!
No matter. They"ll still burst into flames like the other EVs.
Nope, especially not the LiFePo4 ones.
Do your research!
Cabovers get around cities much easier and negotiate turns way better, especially in Europe where you have 1000 year old city streets and winding mountain passes throughout much of it.
And you have a better sight (you can see the little girl 3 feet in front of you crossing the street with her bike).
They are not breaking the laws of physics; they are lying about their weights.
Are we EV enthusiasts supposed to be happy that effin Volvo can't do 25% of what Tesla did... And that too after so many wasted decades!!
This is a tragedy.
Charging infrastructure was what Tesla started with, this is their strategy and it seems to work
Tesla proved it possible. In business there is a saying "The early bird may get the worm but the 2nd mouse gets the cheese". Basically the idea is you learn from the mistakes your competitor made.
@@kensmith5694 true, true, but for example these following brands are not able to build a competitive EV: Toyota/Subaru/Lexus, Honda and not so odd is Mazda
Not the first time an "impossible" Elon Musk project has delivered.
As you can see from the comments by folk from the trucking industry, this useless truck will not deliver at all
Yeah, who wants a faster quieter truck that costs a lot less to operate? @@jimpackard8059
What I don't get is why the other companies persist in making their trucks look like their diesel versions. Air dynamics as with cars has to be top of the design spec sheet and they have a flat slab hitting the air. But then we have SUV EV's because the market has sold people on a design that uses as much fuel as possible negating any small improvements in the efficiency of the engine. Fun fact. 50% of SUV fuel is spent on a motorway on coping with driving a square brick through the air. We need to see vehicles that actually look like they were designed in 2023 and not in the 90's
I do wonder how EV's handle over-charging downhill. A key safety feature of trucks on long downhills is the engine brake. If a truck is near full charge at the top, regenerative braking would not be enough to hold it back. Brakes alone without help from a transmission and drive train aren't enough either. This will not be a common occurrence, but eventually, someone will plug one of these things in at the top of a big hill.
Thinking charge termination voltages are actually lower than maximum permissible battery voltage, so you can in fact dump some current into there even when you're fully charged. But this does wear the battery quicker.
_eventually, someone will plug one of these things in at the top of a big hill._
This presupposes that there's something to plug it into at the top of a big hill. But no electric truck would ever need to charge at the top of a hill, and charger installers plan to amortize the high cost of the installation with sales of electricity; so who's going to install a charger at the top of a hill, with the prospect of no revenue from it?
Even if someone did, and some trucker did plug into it, Tesla cars warn you when regen braking is limited; and the Tesla Semi would do so as well. And if the trucker ignores that warning and proceeds downhill, friction brakes *are* enough to hold it back, at a low enough speed. And if the truck ignores all of these warnings and proceeds downhill at a higher speed than the friction brakes can manage, well, then, that's what all those runaway truck ramps are for.
There are certainly many ways in which semis, including electric semis, can lose control; but doing so because someone charged from a non-existent charger at the top of a hill, ignored the warning that regen braking was compromised, proceeded downhill at high speed, and failed to steer into the runaway truck ramp, has to be at the very bottom of the list of how this might occur.
So basically the short answer is that when some idiot who lives near, or finds a truck stop or some other power outlet at the top of a big hill, the person is screwed and it is their own damn fault so don't worry about it- and besides no one could be that stupid, right?
So the reality is that in the situation where you have an EV at the top of a hill with no available battery capacity, the only thing slowing the truck will be the brake pads, and hopefully some common sense from the driver.
And BTW are obviously not a truck driver. I lost my brakes going downhill once, it wasn't fun. In a vehicle with a regular ICE, the transmission connects the engine to the rest of the drive train. In a low gear at low speeds, and with correct RPMS, the resistance from that alone is enough to hold you back MOST of the way. The brakes can do the rest on their own. If you are in neutral, or using an EV not providing any resistance, the brakes have to do it on their own- and they can't, not at any speed. If you have a jake, you can safely go much faster since the regular brakes won't be used much. Personally, I was hoping that someone would say that the trucks will only ever charge to 85 or 90% to preserve battery life, but in an overspeed situtation, alarms will go off and it will fully charge it while simultaneously slowing it to a stop. But I have no idea what the engineers are actually doing for this, if anything.
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@@dividebyzero1000 Too funny, with the fake outrage and all! I got a big laugh out if this.
Oh-you're serious? OK, let's see.
_ finds a truck stop or some other power outlet at the top of a big hill_
Tesla Semis and other electric trucks can't just plug into "a truck stop or some other power outlet"-they have unique charging connectors, and can only plug into dedicated Megachargers; or in some cases Superchargers.
You have ignored the fact that Tesla won't spent the major cost of installing a Megacharger and Megapack in a location where no one needs to charge their vehicle, and thus there'd be no revenue.
If "some idiot" *did* figure out a way to charge at the top of a hill, he'd still have to ignore the warnings from the Tesla Semi that regen braking was degraded, and proceed downhill at full speed.
_If you are ... using an EV not providing any resistance, the brakes have to do it on their own- and they can't, not at any speed._
This displays either an ignorance of physics, or desperation to prove your point by deliberately ignoring physics. As you learned (or should have learned) in high school physics, the energy generated by driving downhill that must be dissipated by the brakes is proportional to the product of the speed of the vehicle; its mass; and the sine of the angle of descent. 0 speed, 0 energy. Low speed, low energy. High speed, high energy. So no matter what the slope, there is always a speed low enough that the ventilated-disk friction brakes can dissipate all the energy created by driving downhill.
So now, before you have a runaway Tesla Semi situation, you have to have a trained and licensed Tesla Semi driver who was somehow able to charge his Tesla Semi to 100%, in a location where there is no Megacharger or Supercharger, and ignoring the fact that optimum charging is to 80%, because the charging speed drops off rapidly over 80%. Then, the trained and licensed driver has to ignore the very intrusive warnings of degraded regen braking, and drive downhill at a speed higher than the ventilated-disc brakes can handle. And before there's an accident of any kind, he also has to miss the runaway truck ramp farther down-grade.
Meanwhile, a diesel truck can lose its Jake Brake from any one of a number of possible single-point mechanical failures, including failure of any of several u-joints in the drivetrain; failure of the clutch or automatic transmission; or failure of the Jake Brake control or mechanism itself. And since you're positing "some idiot" for the Tesla Semi driver, it's equally likely that the diesel driver would be "some idiot", and simply fail to engage the Jake Brake and continue downhill at speed; which is certainly as likely as all the failures that have to occur for a runaway Tesla Semi.
In summary, your scenario requires so many sequential failures as to have a infinitesimal chance of occurring in the real world, while a diesel semi has several single points of failure, any one of which could put a diesel truck in the same position of having to use the runaway truck ramp-which is placed where it is for exactly that purpose.
imagine the size of barbecues that will be going on once these huge batteries self ignite
Good job petrol and diesel are so common it never makes the media.
But an ev, just one, goes global.
Like the cargo ship with Ev's on board that had a fire.
The world went mad "it's the cars" the salvage Co said the cars were fine and undamaged on a different one of the 12 decks.
But the world media didn't do a global "Oops, we f
Wait till one of these EV semi trucks crash, ... hazmat team will have to close down the freeways for days too clean-up the toxic mess created by ruptured batteries.
Not nearly as much to clean up as spilled diesel. Cheers.
You’re about 5 years behind on your arguments there. Next you’ll be complaining that ev cars set in fire more than ice cars. 😂
Search for "Deadly Tanker Explosion" in the search bar to see why tanks full of petroleum products are a lot worse. You'll never see a battery do this no matter how large the pack.
No, it’s not
@@Fogmeisterin the uk with figures I’ve seen from one of the regional fire brigade and taking the total number of EVs and ICE cars they are about the same. They are really small likelihood for both in comparison. Really small.
But remember that most EVs are very new vs ICE cars which are on average older, so when the dendrites increase on batteries their likelyhood of shorting increases.
Given the figures I really wouldn’t worry about a car fire EV or ICE.
That Tesla Semi factory (and battery cells) is in Sparks, Nevada just outside of Reno, Nevada (450 miles north of Vegas), - not in Las Vegas. The Reno Gigafactory supplies a lot of batteries to the Fremont Gigafactory which is about 250 miles to the west via Donner Pass (read up on the fun history of the "Donner Party").
he's in australia so everything in nevada is vegas to him. it's like down south they call all pop coke even if it's not coke.
For context John O Groats (the most northern point of Britain) to Lands End (the most southerly point) is 837 miles, 1347 km.