Inside BMW's Greatest Engine
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- čas přidán 17. 03. 2022
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BMW might have built one of the best all-round engines ever. It’s tuneable, reliable and you’ll find it in everything from the 1 series to the X7. This thing can fit in a hatchback and power one of those monstrous SUVs that BMW seem to love making.
Some people are even comparing it to the famous Toyota 2JZ, an engine well-known for its ridiculous reliability and ability to withstand serious power. Oh, and it was in the Mark 4 Supra which, according to the internet, can do no wrong.
So why is this being compared to one of the most iconic engines ever? And what engineering makes this thing so popular?
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So the 2JZ, the engine from that car from that movie franchise that so many of us love - and this B58 engine in the new 1 series - what makes them so similar?
The basic similarities are that they’re both inline sixes, they’re both 3 litres and they’re both turbocharged. Despite coming from different manufacturers, you’ll also find both engines in a Supra.
Toyota controversially turned to BMW to develop an inline six for the 5th generation of Supra after an almost 20-year wait. Toyota got a lot of stick for not making their own engine from scratch, but when it comes to straight sixes, BMW is a pretty good choice.
A lot of the comparisons to the 2JZ have come from the B58s ridiculous tunability. Video games, movies and the internet have given the old Supra a reputation for being insanely over engineered and endlessly tunable.
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So would you take a B58 or a 2JZ in your next car?
Horse
I would, A I despise the Mk4 Supra, B it’s a phenomenal engine all around, and I’ve liked it since it came out
Real mens have horse running
B58
2JZ because it is proven
But can give B58 a shot
One thing I love is that people had a meltdown about the BMW engine in the Supra but people seem to forget that the McLaren F1 had a BMW engine and people seem to love that 🤦♂️
The one in the F1 was epic tho.
@@yapod9061 yea it was fantastic but so is the B58
@@garygritter5701 the McLaren f1 engine was a v12 but only weighted about 70 lbs more than this
Most people are very dumb
Because people are fickle! They think a Toyota engine is better than a BMWs maybe for reliability of the engine that goes in the Corolla but better than BMW engines? Nah!
You forgot one thing the B58 is made with the same block as the B57 which is a diesel! It is very reinforced.
This is not true
Only b37 and b38 share the same crankcase
@@MrSupermasi he means the b58’s block ARCHITECTURE is based of the b57
Not the same block. It just B58 is running semi-closed deck. Like diesel engine
If thats the case then the B58 could be retrofitted with the b57's dipstick yay.
Which of their transmissions are reliable also? I would love a car that can last a long time and maybe even outlive me if I care for it. I don't care for Camrys and Corollas that much even though they can last a long time.
I love the B58 in my 340i....just a tune making ~360whp on 93 octane. Never have I tuned a platform that is so easy to make power on yet stays so reliable and maintains OK fuel economy
The limit for this engine seems to be the fueling. With a HPFP upgrade or port injection + E85, huge power numbers can be attained even on stock turbo.
What kind of tune is that? 😂😂😂 a MHD 93 octane tune makes 400 wheel, add a downpipe and ur around 420 wheel
@@Imesswithcars currently, just a JB4. 360 wheel is a really conservative estimate as well. I'm basing that on a friends m240i with mppsk stock that dyno'd at 363 wheel and we're running the same boost/similar timing advance so it's gotta be there or there abouts. I'm trying to be sure I understand the limitations of this platform before diving deeper as I'm coming from audi APB and Ea888/ea113 platforms.
Longer term goal is to integrate the Bimmer ECU solutions MHD Ethanol analyzer and set up a flex fuel map but I first want to make sure the fueling system is 100% solid for ethanol mixes.
@@suspect3539 Spare some knowledge for a scholar; are there any drawbacks to a HPFP? I’m eyeing the Supra when it comes in manual. I want to run tune, catted dp, and most bolt on upgrades. I don’t want to go E85 or anything where I have to add a solution other than gas. I don’t really know about fuel pumps.. Can you tell me a bit? I’m still learning the aftermarket scene
@@suspect3539 m240i doesn’t have a MPPSK package, did they flash tune the MPPSK map? At that point why not just flash stage 1 map?
Love the B58 in my M140i.
It's a fantastic engine, and with a 200 cell cat and remap, mine made 455bhp/634nm, awesome in a 1 series.
I bet that thing SCOOTS
I’ve not swapped my cat, but I’m pushing 420bhp on a simple tune. 9 months ownership and not a single hiccup… most amazing car I’ve owned. Smooth engine when in comfort and an absolute beast of animal when in sport plus. Defo get springs done if you haven’t, made a massive improvement to the drive feel compared to stock
@@pboytrif1 Nice Phil, dyno figures always vary hey matey, mine made 411bhp/576nm after a remap, now 455bhp/634nm with the Wagner 200cell cat. Next step dorch HPFP and upgraded cooling mods for 480-490 wohoo !
@@DjNikGnashers go for port injection instead of hpfp, cheaper and gives you room for bigger power.
@@JuampixDDD I can't be bothered with filling separate tanks for meth mate, and plumbing it in.
I just want the convenience of running on pump fuel.
I do agree it is a great option for cooling the engine and making big power though.
The B58 is a true testament that BMW started out as an engine making company! Smooth instant linear power coming from that inline 6 cylinder that puts a grin in my face when I press the gas pedal :)
glad i picked up the 340i over the 335i without knowing and never heard the existence of the 340i B58 over 2 yrs ago, not a single issue, super reliable, 382whp with just mhd flash tune and insanely great on gas, sad i got hit by 15 yr old driver bak in oct., hope to buy another 340i or maybe m340 next year
Get E9x M3
@@hanoimenace I think he mentioned reliability lol. Not sure he wants to do rod bearings if they haven't been done. It's not a cheap job.
There is still big difference in price between n55 and b58
B58 is also closed deck, and not open deck as shown in the video. Agree it’s a very good motor. Seems like BMW left the best for last. Now if they could have done this engine in the early 2000s and put it in a E46 Coupe that would be a dream car to many just like the MK4 Supra.
The m54 is also a sturdy engine though, those e46 engines can handle quite a bit of power
@@rafaela.olivencia6443 very true but love my b58. s54 sorry for being a grammer nazi
@@evilempire2845 m54 and s54 are two different engines. He’s talking about m54 there was no spelling mistake
Would it be possible to swap a b58 into an e46?
@@notadocbuta6180 if you have to ask this question then you shouldn’t even be thinking about doing it
Got a B58 in my 2018 m140i and a simple tune to 420bhp. 9 months ownership and not a single hiccup, it’s just the most incredible car I’ve owned! And for £25k second hand I can’t imagine a better bang for my buck! No ragrats
9 months no hiccup for a BMW is good? The car I drive hasn't had any hiccup in 24 years with 190k miles... was thinking BMWs look great but it seems reliability expectations are low
he's only owned it for 9 months how can he give you more info about the reliability smh@@producerkeshav
true true @@TehNiCoLaS
@@producerkeshav yeah but ur car does 0-60 in 2 years ...
2 years here m140i and no problems, just servicing every year/6-7k miles. i did replace my PCV valve today for preventative maintenance as those do wear out, mine had a split in it but showed no symptoms of smoke/whistling, only takes like 5 minutes to change and costs a tenner
Recently found your channel, I like it. Keep it up, subbed.
BMW rarely have issues with its engine block, the block is very reliable. The real issue is the plastics and electronics inside the engine that'll breakdown sooner than you expected
What makes it different to any other car though? Mustangs have plastic oil pans now...Even your typical Hemi engine has a plastic intake. BMW has actually gone up in reliability than backwards.
@@GokuTheHusky the quality and grade of plastics they use. Compared to a Toyota, Honda, or Ford, I find that overtime BMW plastic gets extremely brittle over time to compared to other brands.
@@GokuTheHusky BMW has a reputation for using horrible quality plastics for their cooling system that tend to self destruct over time.
@@alextran8188 Part of that is due to higher operating temperatures of BMW engines for emissions. While most engines sit at around 85C, a BMW will sit at 100-105C
So, how much would it be to replace all the plastic?
Just picked up my m340i a week ago. Absolutely love it so far. Being gentle with the break in period, but even right off the bat the fuel efficiency along with the underrated power output is fantastic. Attached to that transmission it comes with its smooth as butter.
Thank you for the information that was well thought out
The new 1 series is a FWD car that has its biggest engine a 2L 4 cylinder. The 1 series you are talking about is out of production since 2019
think he meant 2 series
@@Richjtj bmw m140i had the b58. The new m135i is a 2L 4 cylinder.
@@Richjtj old 140i had b58
B58 is the work of the N54 being super fast but super unreliable and the N55 being slow but super reliable, Those 2 engines helped developed the B58!!
I have both an N54 and an N55 in two different cars. The N54 has many reliability issues, but nothing catastrophic assuming you don't have turbo wastegate issues before 85k where they extended the warranty to and even then its not catastrophic. The N55 has less issues, but can have rod bearing issues - this is catastrophic and generally requires a new engine or a rebuild - ask me how I know :( . Another issue it can have eccentric shaft failure which can cost $4k plus to replace. But you are right that with the B58 they finally seem to have gotten in right, a nice evolution.
@@alangil40 yeah the N54 issues are well documented these days with reliable replacements available.
No one has ever called the n55 super reliable, it's just slightly more so than the n54 😂
B58 is way more reliable than the N55.
What about the M versions? Or: S55?
Great engine, even stock is insane!! Im in love with my 340i
Love my 2017, even the fuel economy is great
Thanks so much for the video!
Still loving the N54 in my 2009 BMW Z4 e89 35i after 144,000 miles.
The motors raw power feels insane. So happy I got my dream car
Great video Callum, now wondering if I should buy that 440i!!!
i had a bmw 635 csi and had it tuned a bit, and that was 30 years ago, loved that car
I’ve been wanting an m140i and I’ll get it as soon as I can afford it, nice to know it has such a good engine 😂🙌🏼
😂😂😂😂
My SOLE concern is the timing chain placement, since it’s in the back now. Hopefully the chain tensioner is accessible without removing the engine, because that’s the only typical weak point with BMWs. The chains themselves are usually not the problem
Why you hoping? Is the information not put there?
Chains/Tensioners have never been an issue on BMW I6s, more the V8s. The timing chain assembly is also at the back to help balance the engine
@@EasyAchiever65 I mean isn't it an issue if you have to remove the engine to change them?
@@amorag59 You don't have to change them. Timing systems will outlast the engine on any BMW I6
@@EasyAchiever65 do you know anything at all about bmws lol. The n47 and n57 engines are notorious for timing chain failure and huge repair bills. I have an N57 330 2012 and the previous owner changed the chain at 80,000 miles at a cost of around £1500 which wasn't even a dealer. These are diesel engines, (n47 is also 4 pot) but you did say any in line 6..
B58 swapped E30 would be the dream 😍
The McLaren F1 is BMWs best engine
The S70/2
How did bmw make it weigh only 430lbs?
Edit: oh wait i forgot, a 20,000 mile rebuild interval that's how
@@CSLFiero Yes, because most other Supercars are known for their 10year,100k mile powertrain warranty... bonehead comment.
Best engine because of what?
@@yt-user7639 chicken nut
Had a m240. The engine is masterclass!!!
Had a lot of bmws and some fantastic bmw engines but this one is THE BEST
You forgot to mention that the B58 had to meet Toyota quality control. It only passed Toyota's quality control after Toyota's engineer sent back 1000's of B58 parts back to Germany for improvements. Now all BMW models with B58's benefit from this.
Facts
That was the specific variant of the b58 that's in the supra. Not sure if they use that exact variant in their own cars (I think there are 4 variants)
this is BS
Lol how do you know this?
B58 from all all (40i) 2016-2019 are completely different than the b58 in the toyota supra and 2020+ M340 which is a B58TU with 6 port injection
One of the tuners I know has the 2020 Supra with the b58 ... He has tuned it to 677 kw which is about 905hp ... The engine internals unchanged and he believes the limit of the stock engine block is around 1000hp ....
For a modern engine of that size , it's insane and more then enough for any car enthusiast with deep pockets . The only people that hate on the mk5 supra are the keyboard warriors .
@@cosmins3268 For real. Toyota isn't a bunch of idiots. If they trusted bmw to make a car that would live up to be called the mk5 supra, then certainly they were up to the task. I mean for god sakes, McLaren trusted them to make the engine for the F1
@@cosmins3268 So true
Does the engine see regular use at the level or did it make that one time on a dyno?
The level of misinformation is on another level
I love my M240i. Extremely fun, great sound & torque all over.
I have the new Mini Cooper S with the B48 engine - the smaller 4 cyl brother of the B58 - its a modular design so the pistons, rods etc etc are the same. This engine is unburstable. Its done 78k and on a recent dyno pulled 214bhp, and its stock. Theyre only meant to make 192bhp when new. Astonishing. I still get 42 - 45 mpg on a cruise at 70mph. Never had to put oil in it outside of a service. Cant recommend them enough.
Mini cooper S owner here!! I agree with you. Absolutely an incredible and stable engine!! Full of immense low end torque!!
@@nathanperdomo2111 Yeah, its a great engine, but doesnt like revving much past 5000-5400rpm. Mine's covered 106k now, and is still very reliable and sound. Ive just ordered a JCW, but due to the supply chain for electronics being so bad, it will be next year before I see it !
I have a 340i Msport, bought it used. Came with M brakes and upgraded suspension.
Work done so far -
Performance air intake
High flow catted downpipe
Charge pipe
Upgraded spark plugs and ignition coils
Tune
Pushing good power. North of 400WHP.
Getting meth injection setup and exhaust upgrade next month. Undecided on upgrading the turbo. Any tips on getting it to near 600whp?
Where did you come across the ida for this video? CZcams videos?
The 2JZGTE engine will always be my favorite engine - the power and sounds it makes are so emotional (plus it looks amazing too).
However, BMW’s B58 and S58 engines have clearly risen to the new height of modern inline-six king of engines.
kings of burning oil, sure
Barra the world
@@sly9263 you meant RB?
@@sly9263 *Geschichten aus dem Paulanergarten*
@@hw6639 youre right- the master race could never be wrong, again, could they?
0:50 Tubrocharged? I’m stealing that word 😂
340i gang. This engine, especially with the ZF8 is a dream I live daily… never can get enough of the MPPSK exhaust note.
Had an m240i for 7 years, not one issue, will be keeping it for as long as i possibly can. A sublime car
Here's an idea for BMW: See what Toyota & Honda use to seal oily things and if anything gets real hot, make it out of aluminum.
The B58 is not really just 5 years old. It is an evolution of the N54 (bi turbo) and N55 (twin scroll turbo) engines from cars like the 335i going back to 2005 iirc in the E60 535i. There are also variants like the S55 from the last M3/M4 and the S58 from the current M3/M4. Reliability issue you hear of from the earlier engines are normally from the bolt on bits and not the actual engine itself.
It’s hard to tell whether you’re referencing crank or wheel hp. I’d recommend specifying the readouts one the future 👍🏻
I drove an N54 for like 6 years, that engine was AMAZING
You can swap out the the plastic parts like
Intake
Cam cover
Intercooler
Change it to port injection
Yupp
Love my z4 M40i what a beast.
The N52, N54, N55, and B58 are all wildly impressive when you take a step back and look at their competition. Yes, they have some faults. But it's nothing overly wild considering the performance and driving dynamics you get.
Nice jobs,thanks share
I have to admit that I wasn’t happy about Toyota using a bmw engine in the new Supra until recently learning more about that engine. Learning about the reliability, and tune ability of it and how Toyota made sure it was up to their standards for reliability. So I went and got a 340i with a b58 in it and traded in my Lexus is350 and couldn’t be happier.
That Toyota had anything to do with it is a hoax, greetings from Munich 😉
Smart man.
had a b58 tuned for 2 years no problems
Love this video man ❤ amazing job
Next Saturday (the 26th of March) I will be picking up my M340i Touring! So happy to finally get that awesome car!
Nice car
the n54, n55, b58 are great engines. Have a N55 and no problems with it. Oil change interval to 10tkm and not too much torque when the engine isn´t on temp.
N55 gang 💪🏼 ! In my opinion the best sounding engine out out of those 3.
@@Doctor_Martain I know people generally don't like the sound of the N54 but I think it sounds alright. 😅
I’ve always been an Audi guy and I love my s4 to death but the b58 platform is so good that I’m building one next
Since Audi's V8 era ended new V6s are just boring. Heck Supercharged V6 was much more fun than new 2.9.
Love my 440i ;) 3.0 turbocharged beast. Starting tunes next week!
Hi Driven Media… might I ask you a question? I’m thinking of buying a 2018 X5 diesel. My mechanic says instead, to buy a 2015 (last year diesel Audi in the USA) Q7 TDI. With the diesels is one more reliable the other?
ayy b58!
I sure love mine (2020 M240i) I have a stage 2 dinan tune as well and a whole bunch of other mods. its super fast, no problems (so far), and sounds incredible!!
everything stock + dinan stage 2 tune is supposed to be around 420 ish wheel horsepower but I havent tried a dyno yet. best part is I still have my warranty
Great engine
How? Any tuning of the ECU will void your warranty. Maybe a piggyback tune since you can take it off but a ECU tune will always be detectable even if you change it back to stock
@@JL-rx7ou its a ECU flash and either Dinan provides their own warranty or because its a conservative tune i can still use my manufacture warranty. which ever it is I made extra sure that was the case before getting it
How can you tune a car to stage 2 without modding the engine bolt ons? That would just be a very good stage 1 tune. Stage 2 is when you start messing with intercoolers and exhaust systems
@@paulnolan6866 I did all of those things. i have 12k worth of mods
Love the b58 next gen engine for sure. But nothing sounds like a n55 for some reason.
Meh N54 sounds better with a race exhaust
Barra is up there as a cheap and great straight 6 thats easy to produce power with stock components.
I have an m140i, had it around a year with no issues. 1 minor problem which this engine seems to have and a lot of reports on the same issue is coolant usage. My little tank keeps going below the minimum and I have to keep topping it up. Its not leaking from anywhere either.. I heard if you replace the cap this can fix the issue, might give that a go.
I’m a year late so guess you have fixed the problem, but if there is no visible sight of leakage it will be the coolent filler cap, just buy a new one problem solved
@redarmy1778 yeah mate, both caps were leaking, since I replaced both it's not used any coolant
TL;DR: it's not about history
I find the B58 vs the 2JZ very similar to the FA20 vs the EJ25. Yes the EJ has been around for decades and yes there's more knowledge for EJ's, but the FA has a better top end, better stock turbo and better tuning potential. It's basically purists vs engineers, yes the FA also had downsides (the bottom end isn't that strong and the compression ratio is kinda high) and it wasn't put through the paces of motorsports but the knowledge learned throughout the EJ platform's lifetime is implemented into the FA's platform. You can scream and cry about how some things are better then others, but there was a time where the EJ25 and 2JZ sucked in the aftermarket department. If the drive to make the engine(s) better, it'll be better sometime down the road.
Not sure why you brought Subaru engines into this, but the newer FA20DIT is a bit of a disappointment. However, the FA20 NA found in the BRZ or 86 is far better than the FA20DIT found in the WRX. Most likely because Toyota co developed this engine.
This seems to be a similar story with the new b58 found in the Supra.
yeah, way before the 2jz era people use the rb26
BMW has made many flipping awesome engines, just not that many "recently". M30, M88, M54, S88, to name but a few, although all are straight 6's. For info, the BMW F1 engine used in the 1980's, with massive turbo's and producing up to 1,500BHP from 1.5litres, was built around old M10 standard road going engine. In fact the block was the "stock block".
It's only the engines from the last 15 years or so that have tended to have "reliability" issues.
Eight letters that it seems none of these guys are aware of or understand, DI-CBU= (big) PIA.
Yours is about the only response from someone who is familiar with BMW history. My vote for the greatest BMW engine would have gone to the M10, which powered everything from a lowly 318i to an F-1 car. But hey, don't expect others to agree here as it is only a 4 cylinder.
Idiot comment. They've made so many fantastic engines. Where have you been? Lmfao
Does the s58 give forged pistons and rods?
Edit: it does. What a badass motor.
Having put my foot down while driving a 340i in Sport Plus, I experienced an out of the world experience! It's scary as a stock engine, a tuned B58 is just :O
WHAT AN ENGINE! A MASTERPIECE!
BMW's greatest engine is the S70/2 V12
People complain about the supra for being expensive, imagine how expensive it would've been if they develpped their own engine? Oh and not to mention these enthusiasts crying about everything don't even buy the damn cars.
I mean toyota has enough money to develop a new engine, the just chose the lazy way out
@@samirsakir5771 Toyota has enough money yes, but the Supra clientele isn’t shelling out Porsche 911 Turbo S money for a car that only comes with a ~350 hp engine.
Thanks to the community. The ineos can also exceed in the 4x4 segment.
Peugot 308 has a 1.6 diesel developed by PSA and BMW. Paired to a Aisin automatic gearbox. Its fantastic
You should look at the BMW N54 engine it is legendary for pushing over 700 hp on stock bottom end, plus the fact the N54 has a forged crank and rods makes it a better choice, twin parallel turbos plus the after market support has made the N54 a tuners dream and hence the title of German 2JZ
Yup. Not to mention it’s so easy and cheap to make big power.
Exactly the same stuff was said about N54 engine aswell... "best Bmw tuners engine", "German 2jz" and so on. So b58 isnt the only Bmw engine out there to be called all that. Though evolution has made it a bit more reliable by getting rid of expensive piezo fuel injection and electric waterpump. N54 was more revolutionary, experimental, B58 is evolutionary step from that. And between the two we have N55 aswell.
Enjoying the B58 in my m340.. honestly gave it a shot after hearing it went into the supra so far no hiccups except that burning oil around the 6k mark in between oil changes
Why are you doing over 6k oil changes. It’s a turbo charged direct injected bmw. I would change the oil every 3.5k miles. Check the forums.
5000 miles max.
I have an N55 that was produced at the same the B58 was being produced. I think late model N55 shares a few late improvements the B58 introduced
Would have been nice to hear about the N54- it’s the main reason why the B58 has been so good
I sold bmws during this time and switchover. To be honest I LOVED the n54 engine sound. but the B58 is much more universal, brakes less, and the damn temperature housing gasket doesnt fail
@@danascoles1205 agreed that it’s more reliable, the B58 had to start somewhere however. The engine itself is bulletproof- the ancillaries let the N54 down! Just had to change my HPFP lol, so I can feel your pain.
@@danascoles1205 N55 and need to change my gasket lol.
N54 is extremely unreliable and problematic. Great motor when running.
@@watchkevingo my n54 in my 335is got upgraded turbos at 55,000 miles and only had to change one coil. It's still running good at 82,000 making 680 wheel horsepower on e85 with the original hpfp.
So it’s the 2j part 2
*3jz
It's the spiritual successor I would say.
Is b48 reliable as the b58?? Since they are both the same but one is a 4 cylinder
I am really happy with BMW B57 engine in my Mini JCW clubman 306hp.
BMW built this fantastic 2.0-Liter TwinPower turbo petrol engine also in X2 M35i and X1 M135i
I've heard that the b58 can decimate all but you may have to overnight parts from Germany.
Dork
You heard wrong. It's 2024. BMW has the biggest aftermarket parts industry in the US, outside of the American cars. It's no longer impossible to find parts. Wtf lol
The joke went over your head but don't worry about. @@high_drivexxx
@@high_drivexxx you didn't get the joke. Its OK
Ah yes I love my tubrocharged engine!
Any engine mechanical engine differences between a 2016 b58 and the latter 2020 diff?
Have this in my 740i. For now my main radiator leaked and changed, and my driveshaft and differential destroyed on connection between (costly). Totally eaten and all of the sudden no power at all. Also changed engine mounts on 40.000 miles. Think that mount somehow did that damage on driveshaft also.
I own a n55 535i and b58 440i. Both are amazing to tune and both have upgraded turbos.
Gapping dodges and "hellcat" jeeps and picking up groceries lol
How’s your 535i been treating you? I have one as well
@Zion lords I blew the stock zf8hp45 on the 535i. If you do have xDrive and xHP, I really recommend doing oil changes for the trans every 20k and not 50k, xDrive puts more stress on the gearbox.
Just take care of the trans if you want to tune it. Otherwise it's been pretty reliable apart from oil leaks here and there.
I put in a used trans for $5k (including labor) and it's working great
@@GodKing804 how much hp were you pushing? I have an lci xdrive f10 n55 with 8hp45 and mine has no issues. Im pushing just north of 518hp. No trans oil change ever and the only thing i had an issue with was the transfer case but that can generally be bypassed with xhp
To keep any BMW engine running reliable do early oil changes every 6000 miles rather than the recommended 10000 mile interval
The m3 version of this engine can make 500+hp, return 30 mpg, be warrantied for 60k, and oil is fine for 10k miles according to bmw.
Wtf why are we gong electric?
@@CSLFiero because compared to electric that’s still slow as shit
@@POVShotgun tell us about your 06 accord
@@CSLFiero Because the worlds governments have gone mad!
Same is said about the Audi 3.0, both the older supercharged versions and the newer turbos.
330e 2016 any good?
BMW makes engines for Toyota, Rolls, Land Rover now, and McLaren and Minis. They’re taking over the automotive world and I am not mad about it
The BMW-Supra is not just a BMW engined Supra but the whole car is a BMW!
That’s means the chassis, electronics, gearbox, suspension and so on are all BMW!
And where's the problem?
@@HirokaAkita lmao that is the problem in 5 - 10 years.
Not all of it
@@BabaYagaRacing Pretty much yes. It’s a z4. About 90% is bmw.
You mean a the toyota Zupr4.
How are they defining reliability tho? The B58 has only been around 5-6 years. I would be very impressed if the engine experiences no mechanical problems past 150k mileage
Plenty of high mileage older 340is for sale right now.
@@Southpark124 but that doesn’t really indicate reliability
@@inosurrender8327 I haven’t really seen anything on the forums other than basic maintance. Some people complaining about oil burning issues in the ‘21 Supras but I think that’s mostly because of the wrong viscosity used (0w20) in areas like the Northeast US.
I haven’t seen any complaints from the BMW side
@@Southpark124 well if there’s no complaints then that’s good for BMW lol
Why isn't there credits on every bit of footage shown?
You guys labeled some but not all, like that 4xturbo 2jz. That's a noriyaro clip with no credits given.
Please make a video on LSPI - Low speed Pre Ignition.
I'm ok with the engine in the GR Supra, the problem is everything else. I would like it if the only bmw thing was the engine and it had a manual option
Manual is coming soon
@@FMXIAN yupp! Manual is coming hopefully a targa top
N54 > B58 IMO
I personally don't like turbos though, very much love my N52, but think the greatest engine award belongs to the S85 (5.0 V10)
I have a N54 powered car and I can tell you for a fact that the B58 is better in pretty much every aspect. The only thing the N54 has over the B58 is the chassis of the cars it came in.
Isn’t that what they said about the N55, then the B58 come out ..
Is the b58 realiable with longevity? Over 150k miles with regular maintenance
Love my m140i. 😍 The B58 is phenomenal! But needs must and the m140i is going in the next few months... Making way for a X5 45e. Plenty of room for the 2 dogs, wife and the wee man.
Why not a 3 or 5 series touring?
@@zvonimirkrajina2211 would have loved a 5 series touring. But my wife prefers the ride height of the x5. Plus we recently moved out in to the Scottish countryside and driving down dirt roads is much nicer in the x5.
The best, most reliable BMW engine of modern times is the N52 and it is still not comparable to anything Toyota makes.
The N52 is dummy reliable, and the 54 is probably what people compared to the 2J first
N54 block itself can handle 850hp+ on stock block the maintenance around it is trash but if your buying a 2jz for the 90s you’d have to put in just about the same maintenance. Plus the N54 is way more torquey bottom end because of the longer stroke.
@@edwardruelas3116 also the N54 has DFI which is good for preventing knock, the worst part of maintenance is the turbo wastegates but if you upgrade to TD04s it's not an issue. Injectors and HPFP, and oil filter gasket are the only other major maintenance issues. Just expensive is all.
true N52 is the best ever
The N52 is a great engine but not very tuneable. And of course isn’t comparable to anything Toyota makes because Toyota don’t have any engine as advanced as what BMW have.
What is that background song used around 1:50 mark?
Still prefer the n55, sounds better and feels more visceral as it's less refined
Love sending 5.0 and scat pack owners into an existential crisis with my b58.
@Top GIFs With Sound Some things will never change :')
wtf u talking crap
A modified Honda B or K series can destroy your Zupra and humiliated you for less than 20k.
@@manueldelcaribe2180 But not all of us are interested in driving 20 year old Hondas
@@manueldelcaribe2180 can yours?
I've got the Supra with B58. Its an absolute beast. Powerful, playful and a real sports engine
And absolutely no feedback in the steering wheel. I disliked it so much when I test drove one. No emotions at all. But that might be the story of new cars except stuff like a GT3 and some others. 😂
Nope......nope, nope, nope.
The greatest engine BMW ever made, arguably, was the M10 four cylinder based engines. The M12 Formula 1 engine and the S14 engined M3 used the M10 as a base to kick butt and take names. And bonus, they didn't leak so much😆
That's the trouble with recency bias. Latest is bestest. No historical perspective.
The s54 is still the best in-line 6 ever made
Yep! Had that motor in a ‘02 M Roadster and it pulled hard from idle to redline. Good thing too, because the 5-speed manual felt horrible.
@@sketchpv3080 right, they need a turbo though, mine has almost 3x the stock torque and it carries it all the way to redline
So is the N54 chopped liver?
Its an absolute masterpiece of an engine, solid and reliable, sounds great, 430bhp from just a software tune yet capable of sitting comfortably over 40mpg on long journeys. Regret selling my M140i but hopefully going to buy an M340i soon 😂
Too bad BMW put the cam gears on the same side you bolt to the transmission, meaning for anything related to timing you gotta pull the motor.
Also that aluminum open deck block won't be able to handle much more than 800 bhp, the 2JZ is closed deck cast iron and has been known to make over 1500 bhp
It's not open deck. I'm not sure why they showed an open deck image there. Check out a teardown of the engine. It's a closed deck.
It’s based off the B57 diesel closed deck block which actually has a larger bore than the B58 so it has even more meat around the bore than a normal block would. Also we don’t live in the 90s, modern engines don’t go through timing chains left and right (looking at you Audi 4.2 & M62.) the timing chain guides should easily last 150k miles if not significantly more just like previous BMW inline-6s.
I think Papadakis's B58 already has 1000HP on stock internals. Not sure how much more power the block would withstand, but stock vs stock internals, the B58 is stronger than the 2JZ, all while being ~60 kilos ligher.
@@Kiyolani interesting, I wonder why they showed that then.
@@Enthusiastlist Ik they dont go through timing chains often, but if you want to tune the motor then youre gonna have to pull the motor to replace the cams, or do any other timing related mod.
BMW has looked up to the legends.🙂
they have been making better engines than anything forever?
Legends like the M88 and the M10 for sure.