How To Play The Lord Of The Rings LCG - Part 2: Multiplayer, Card Text, Deckbuilding, Optional Rules
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00:00 - Introduction
00:50 - Multiplayer Rules
05:33 - Sample Round
20:31 - Recap
22:15 - Deckbuilding Rules
26:40 - Top 18 Things On Cards
47:20 - Optional Rules
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CORRECTIONS AND CLARIFICATIONS:
- At 45:39, I quote a rule from page 5 of the Rules Reference that says "An ability’s cost cannot be paid if the resolution of its effect does not have the potential to change the game state." The following example I use for Derndingle Warrior + Honour Guard is correct, but it has nothing to do with the rule I quoted from page 5. That rule is a different rule about costs that you should also be aware of. Here's an example that illustrates it properly: For Hero Beravor, if your deck is empty (i.e. the resolution of her draw cards effect does not have the potential to change the game state), then you cannot pay the cost of exhausting her to drawn (zero) cards.
Thanks, I just got to that section and was puzzled, thinking to myself "But the game state has changed, because now Honour Guard is exhausted." The example in this comment makes sense.
Im sorry, Im still confused about the combo trigger effects and simultaneous trigger effects. It happens a lot with the dwarfs mining playstyle when discarding cards and trigger multiple effects. I would love for you to illustrate this part if the tutorial with real examples of what can and can't be considered as valid simultaneous effects/combos. For example, if I have in play three card effects that trigger when the card on top of my deck gets discarded.... Then all three effects can be activated or just the one that activated it?
@@SSTRANGEE1 Can you give me a specific example with the names of the three cards in play that all seem to trigger at the same time, and how they get triggered?
I am confused as well. When your example is still correct, can you tell me what rule says this? The board changed because i exhausted honour gard because of his response.
@@tomzirpel3091 Several folks have commented here saying that the game state HAS changed because Honour Guard is now exhausted. This is a really tricky situation, but this specific card interaction was actually confirmed by the designer. I’ll do the best I can here to try to explain the reasoning behind the ruling:
Basically, in order to determine if the cost on Derndingle Warrior’s ability changed the game state, we can’t look beyond the actual cost/effect of Derndingle Warrior itself. We can’t look at any secondary or tertiary effects on other cards that are triggered as a result of paying the cost; we must ONLY look at Derndingle Warrior’s cost to see if paying the cost changed the game state. Exhausting Honour Guard is not part of paying Derndingle Warrior’s cost - that’s a separate response we triggered as a result. All that matters here is that the damage was canceled, so the game state didn’t change with respect to paying Derndingle Warrior’s cost, and therefore we didn’t actually pay the cost so we can’t get the defense boost.
I hope that helps!
Bought the core game a year and half ago. After trying to learn the game through the rule book i got discouraged from the complexity and never touched the game again. Until i came across your videos. Because of you i finally can play the game. Thank you sir 😊 😊
You are very welcome! I'm so glad it was helpful!
Thank you so much for Part 2. Your content on YT and ringsdb is so helpful and much appreciated. Big thanks from Germany 👍
Another excellent video. I really appreciate the style. It's well-structured, detailed but not overwhelming, and illustrated with good examples.
I'm glad you appreciate the style! There's just so much detail in the rules when you dig in it almost completely overwhelmed me. Just had to take it one rule at a time :). Thanks for the encouragement!
Yay, you're back!
I am thoroughly impressed with these tutorials! It is evident that you have put in a great deal of effort and dedication, and I appreciate that immensely. I am eagerly anticipating the release of Part 3, and I hope it won't take as long as Part 2 did. Thank you!
Hundreds of hours :). I'm so glad you can appreciate the end-result! Thankfully I've already filmed Part 3, so after a hiatus I just need to make the time to edit it.
This is the best series of LOTR LCG tutorials! It will save us all a lot of time finding answers on bgg forum.
Can't wait for the part 3.
You should mention also what to do with surge cards for guarded objectives during setup in eg. Escape from Dol Guldur (surge card is guarding, and the next revealed goes to staging area, so it's possible to start this scenario with much more than 3 encounter cards ;)
Thanks very much! And that's a good reminder!
hell yeah literally just found your part 1 last week. so stoked! please keep up the content especially with dreamseeker just released.
Awesome, I hope this one helps you too!
New player here, this is by far the best series about the game on yt. I'm in the part 3 waiting room right now!
Thanks so much! Part 3 will come soon hopefully ;)
Very excited for this Part 2! Thank you!
So glad to see you making more videos on this game!
YES! I was waiting for this video! Thank you!!
Production was excellent on this, great job!
Thanks. Been waiting for this one ❤
Yey!! Glad you are back! Have to watch this as soon as possible! =)Thank you for taking you time and finishing it! Habe a Great day! =) and thx again!
Much appreciated! Great explanations on the intricacies of multiplayer.
Yes!! Stoked to watch this later this week
Thanks for the video. It's one of the best rules videos I've seen.
Great. Thanks for the detailed explanations and examples.
Thank you!
Excellent videos for beginners! You really helped me to get started.
I've recently gotten back into this game and both your videos have been very helpful! Can't wait for part 3!
Thanks very much, I'm really glad it helped!
Awesome stuff! Waiting for part 3 :)
I just posted it :)
Your guides are so great! I wish more game systems had this kind of layout. Your on-screen graphics are the biggest differentiator, but you also lay things out in a very good order.
I appreciate it! I definitely spent a LOT of time in the planning stage, organizing all the material into the way I thought made the most sense for teaching it :). The editing with all the on-screen graphics was a BEAST. I'm glad I did it, but I will probably never do it for this long of a video series ever again, lol.
I love watching your tutorials.
Thanks!
Such an awesome follow up video! Thanks for making this for new players. When I started playing the game, your first video had just come out and it was instrumental to my understanding and enjoyment of the game. Thanks to your help, LOTRLCG is one of my favorite games of all time. I hope this video helps others in the same way!
Thanks so much, I'm so glad it helped you get past that steep learning curve!
It certainly did! Didn’t help my wallet though, as I now own a complete collection! 😂 Thanks for the response too.
@@TheBrwncoat Oh man, that's a lot to take in all at once! Enjoy it!
Finally, the new video - is on the best LotR LCG channel!
Wow, thanks!
This is the best player aid for this game out there. Lord, everytime I want to get this to the table I review your video to make sure everything is fresh on my mind. Thanks for putting this out.
you betcha! It's become second-nature eventually.
Already hit Like cuz I know your style. Nice work and thanks for the help!
Always happy to help!
This was super helpful. Thanks!
I'm still learning some new things that I didn't know about the game one year later from these two videos. These videos are great dude and are helpful with clarifying some rules that aren't clear to me in the rulebook! I didn't catch that the interaction with Honour Guard with Derndingle Warrior's effect would not work because the cost wouldn't have been paid. So, I have been doing that wrong then. Those kinds of interactions and knowing how they interact is very helpful.
It's definitely a LONG learning process with this game of picking up little things here and there :D
@@TheGameLocker Yes, so I have learned. Even being a long time ccg player since I was ten, I am often noticing later on during a scenario that I missed something or finding out afterwards that I did something wrong. I'm loving it though and it is definitely my new favorite card game and probably my favorite game period! I love the depth, replay value, freedom, and how thematic and challenging the game is! It really makes you think. And it's thanks to this game that I realized how much I love co-op games. I think it's more fun to work together as a team than too compete against each other personally, and it creates a healthier environment and is better for teaching new players since you don't need to worry about awkward situations where a new player doesn't understand a card but doesn't want to show the card because it will give information on what they have. I just wish I had discovered this game years ago when my group of friends and I were able to meet on a somewhat regular basis and it wasn't so hard to find a bunch of these expansions I imagine. I never imagined when I started that I would want to get all of the expansions not including the nightmare decks when I started, and here I am hunting for the last about ten adventure packs and one missing saga. The lack of being able to get a lot of these expansions I think is the only complaint I have with the game, and that's not the fault of the game itself. I think the actual game is as perfect as a game can get! If I had any complaint about the game, is that there are a good number of generically powerful cards that after your collection has gotten big enough a good portion of your decks will likely be the same unless you force yourself not to use certain cards, and some heroes will just never be used because there are so many outstanding generic heroes that easily fit into many decks. I feel like realistically any deck with Tactics the best option is tactics Eowyn or Merry for example. Generic cards are always the best unfortunately. She's not a fun hero, but man she is amazing!
Great work... Now for me to dive in and get some games under my belt. Thanks for these breakdowns really helps 🎉
Happy to help, have fun!
Thaaanks! Got the basic game yesterday as a present after a vivid discussion about if it would be more or less fun to play than the recent MTG LotR edition, so my playgroup will find out eventually in no time :)
Let me know what your group thinks!
Spotted Sea Salt & Paper and Haggis on the shelf, both are very fun games!
And I enjoyed the LOTR tutorials, my copy is supposed to arrive today, I feel more ready now!
Awesome! Yeah I don't play those games as much as I'd like, my wife really enjoys them :)
Thank you for doing these videos.
Glad you like them!
I'm new to LOTR LCG and I can't thank you and commend you enough. I've been a Marvel Champs guy for a few years and love it but decided to give LOTR a try and your videos cover nearly every aspect of the game. Your tips video is probably the most helpful video I've watched for any tabletop game.
You mention a Facebook page bur I couldn't find it by searching and you don't have a link. Also, do you have a Patreon or a means of the community giving back for the time you've invested. I dig helping helpers. Thanks again man!!
Hi there! I'm so glad you found these vids helpful! Here's a link to that facebook group I mentioned: facebook.com/groups/1524879351170755/
Also, I definitely appreciate the support! Totally not necessary, but since you asked, if you really want to there is a "thanks" button below all of my videos (should be next to the like button) that lets you send me a $ tip. I'm just happy to know I helped someone :)
Thanks a lot mate for your video :) It is excellent for me as a new player! Cheers!
Great video. Cannot wait for part 3. I get confused about the side quests on the angmar expansion. Hope you explain that.
Sadly I did not have time to cover that in Part 3 (already finished filming it), have you read through that section in the Angmar rulebooks?
Like the first video, this is a remarkable video; your video style is outstanding.
I'm so glad you like the style!
Randomy but hey - did you ever run Murder at the Prancing Pony, because that one is really kicking my butt; crazy threat generation, location blocking, and tough enemies. Trying using the newish Gondor starter deck, which has some threat management, good handling of high threat, and good troops, but just not quite there... :)@@TheGameLocker
@@skeezixcodejedi Yeah I played it once 3-player with a mono-spirit quest/location control heavy deck, possibly with some threat reduction. Had help with the tough enemies from my teammates. Definitely a tough quest, but you hit the main features there - might be one that you need to deck build for, or else try easy mode. Definitely a unique quest! Have fun!
Ty for the videos, I learned how to play thanks to you!
Glad I could help!
so helpful to beginners like me! thanks from South Korea.
Excellent, so glad it was helpful!
Great video. Even though i played about 8 times now, i still learned new things! Something i'm still not really sure on is when regular actions are NOT allowed. To me it seems there are so many action windows that it almost never happens that you want to use an action and you can't. Consequently i dont really pay atention to action windows.
Glad you liked it! That makes sense, it took me a LONG time to really feel comfortable with Action windows. The thing that helped me the most getting started was printing a good player aid that showed the action windows and keeping that next to me. Here's my favorite one: boardgamegeek.com/filepage/116238/lord-rings-lcg-turn-reference-ryno
I loved the examples of ranged and the explanations and examples of the golden action window and silver action window. I just got the game last month and have eight solo games completed. I've only used one solo deck (with minor tweaks) so far. I can't wait to try two-handed and multiplayer.
One thing that still seems confusing coming from Marvel Champions is who is revealing the cards during Staging. It seems like unlike MC where they are dealt one to each player, it's the first player drawing everything. Seems more streamlined this way, but it might make the word "You" on some cards a bit more complicated on resolving.
Glad it was helpful! You are correct that generally in the staging step the cards are revealed for the whole group, and if the card lets you choose a target then the first player gets the final say on who the target should be. The way the cards are written this should not be confusing (I don't think they ever say "you", except on some shadow effects in the combat phase, which refers to the defending player who's engaged with the enemy). However, in the Saga expansion quests (starting with the Fellowship Of The Ring), they introduce the rule that each player must reveal one encounter card for themselves, with a new "peril" keyword on some cards that prevents other players from helping that player resolve that card.
Watching this video helped me realize that I have been playing multi-player wrong. Pretty much every phase we played simultaneously, not in turn order. I pretty well used the first person token to help make decisions, and we never pass it around. So... What I'm trying to say is... FFG NEEDS TO STINKIN PAY YOU FOR THESE VIDEOS AND EXPLAINING THEIR RULES BETTER THAN THEY DID! Good work man! And I love you content on Ringsdb with #RCO. THANKS!
Haha, thanks so much! I hope it helps folks enjoy this game more, the #RCO decks were especially fun to create and share!
Thank you for these videos! How do you feel about making a video explaining the way you protect and organise your cards? :)
You're welcome! Best resource for organizing cards for this game is probably here: visionofthepalantir.com/storage-hub/
Thanks for the second video in the series and for all the hard work you had to put in. I have a question and I am sorry if you have already talked about it in previous videos.
Can you use readying effects (like Cram and Unexpected Courage) to make two attacks with one character in the "Player attack resolution" part of the combat phase?
I know you can't attack the same enemy twice. However, for the rest of this issue, I have found rather conflicting explanations.
I hope you will find some time to answer this question and clarify this for me.😅
Yes absolutely! You can attack with the same character multiple times with readying effects. The only limit is each player can only declare one attach against each enemy engaged with them (with exceptions to the rule explained in this video with the Ranged keyword). Hope this helps!
@@TheGameLocker Thank you very much for the answer. :)
While waiting for part three 😊 You saved my copy of Lotr from being sold.
WOW, thank you SO much! I truly appreciate it!!
Thanks from Australia, Byron Bay...just bought this and following your videos....IT REALLY HELPS....sending Rainbows..saw 20 humpback whales swim by today, take care.
Thanks for watching!
This is so clear. One of the best I’ve seen. For Unique cards, you mentioned steward of gondor. Does that mean that in multiplayer only 1 copy can exist on the table?
That is correct - only 1 on the table at a time, regardless of the number of players. Makes it really important to coordinate your decks when you plan to play multiplayer, so you don't have overlapping uniques. Or you can ignore this rule if that's too much trouble to plan your decks in advance or you want to make the game a bit easier :).
Thank you so much for these videos! Earned my sub 100%.
Quick question: why can celebrian’s stone only be played on Aragorn? 36:40
EDITED: nvm!! found the text below about the spirit sphere, Great video!!
Awesome, glad it was helpful!
Again, thank you for your work. I guess the best I can repay is let all the ads roll uninterrupted. I'll definitely look forward to part 3. Currently I haven't delved yet on the campaign and saga expansions but only the revised core set plus the 5 starter decks. Let's see how I'll fare with these and see if I deserve the Angmar, Dreamchaser, and the 2 sagas 😅. But seriously this is such a helpful guide. Will you be doing a sample solo (or prob a multiplayer) playthrough as to where you are now currently in the game?
No more playthroughs planned - but check out Cardboard Of The Rings, they have a great podcast and CZcams channel where Chad does GREAT playthroughs that are well produced.
@@TheGameLocker Sure will check it out man. I actually searched some lately, but will go for this one. Thanks!
Thanks!
WOW, thank you so much for the tip!
Great video. I am not sure if you can take the third boon Appointed by Fate since the Escape from Dol Guldur campaign card does NOT say add it to the campaign pool. And if you’re putting the other two Mendor boons into the next campaign, you also have to put the burdens into the future encounter decks, and I don’t believe it’s worth it with the burdens.
I don’t think you can put in the boones without the burdens
Hi! The three boons I mentioned are the two Mendor boons, and one other from Dark of Mirkwood expansion. Those are the ONLY cards that can carry over because those are the only cards specifically mentioned on the resolution effects on the campaign cards. This is a golden rule situation where you don't carry over anything into your next campaign, unless a card effect specifically tells you to break that rule. The campaign cards do not say to carry over any burdens into your next campaign, and they are not "linked" to the boons in any way, so the ONLY cards you can carry over are the three specifically mentioned: the two Mendor boons and the one from Dark of Mirkwood. I also received this official clarification from the designer during one of their live plays :). I hope this helps!
A corollary to number 17 - "considered to be engaged" does not cause the enemy to engage the player nor does the player engage the enemy.
Definitely!
Thanks for the great tutorials!
Quick question regarding Direct Damage - in case of a simple 'deal 3 damage' wording it's fine to deal it to an ally with less than 3 hit points left, correct? This kind of chump blocking applies not only to the Combat Damage?
Yes I believe that's correct for direct damage.
Hello, I have another question. During the Caves of Nibin-Dûm (!Little spoilers for this quest!) I put Secret Vigil on Orc Chieftain in stage 2. Then, he was "set aside, out of play". Does the Secret Vigil fall of off him or it returns with him in the stage 4 when he is "added to the staging area"? We used the Grim Rule and discarded the Secret Vigil, but we were not quite sure about that. :/ Maybe it was stupid idea to put Secret Vigil on special enemy like this in the first place. :D
I believe the Secret Vigil would actually stay on him, but I can't quote a rule on that. It might be something worth asking the main Facebook group - lots of rules experts there who could confirm :).
@@TheGameLocker Turns out, I am stupid because this enemy cannot have attachments, so it is impossible. But I guess it is still interesting question if this happens in some other quest with an enemy that can have attachments. :)
Great tutorial. I have a question/clarification. On guarded cards, if the encounter card that is attached to guard it has a when revealed effect, does it get ignored since it was attached and not revealed? Thanks.
The encounter card is revealed before it's attached ;)
Hi, is there really an action window after revealing a shadow card's effect? I thought the ONLY action window during the combat phase is after the shadow cards are dealt (not yet revealed), or at least that is what the Rules Reference seems to suggest.
Yep! There's action windows all over the combat phase. See the Rules Reference page 22 for the chart.
Special Action Window: 7:12
Golden Action Window: 10:19
Silver Action Window: 15:27
great clear videos. Here's a question for you or the community. If playing with 2 players and one is not engaged with any enemies can they attack an enemy engaged with the other player or ONLY with ranged weapons? Just seems like it would be reasonable but I dont think its allowed. It is wierd though because if you have no ranged support all you can do is watch the other guy get annihilated by a tough guy and do nothing...seems unreasonable.
Yep - it's just as I described in the video, characters with the ranged keyword can attack enemies engaged with other players, but characters without ranged can't.
The reality is that in a 2 player game there are LOTS of ways to help out the other player; it never feels like one player is just watching as the other is helplessly getting bashed by an enemy. In the engagement phase, each player can CHOOSE to engage any one enemy, so that always lets you have some measure of control over who gets which enemies. Also, if one player is taking all the enemies, that leaves the other player's characters available to commit to the quest. Taking on enemies is just one aspect of the game. The other player can support in a myriad of other ways too, like reducing threat, healing, drawing cards, sharing resources, giving attachments to the other player, etc.
@@TheGameLocker thanks for the reply. Yes I understand that and thanks for clarifying re. ranged. The problem though is the order isnt it? I mean you do the questing way before you draw the new cards for the staging area and commit enemies unless in larger principle you just have unique questing and fighting teams. our situation was the guy who had the enedmy got clobberd as I only had 1 ranged assist. We had already won the quest except for killing the boss so all I could do was stand by (except for the one assist) and watch his ally get killed. In the end managed to do enough damage to take him out but just felt like it was odd to just be standing around. Anyway first play through-lots to learn and your videos are superb. Keep it up
@@pictoushead Yeah I can see how that can feel a little strange.
For the action ability with steward of gondor, do you only get to use the action ability once? Or does it refresh with the hero its attached to?
Hi! In the refresh phase, ALL cards are unexhausted, including attachments like Steward of Gondor. So it's basically a once-per-round ability.
@TheGameLocker thanks so much. I just got this game. Your videos are helping a lot. Thanks for the reply.
16:52 Aragorn takes 1 damage because Forest Spider gains +1 attack on the turn it engages? Not that it would matter there.
Whoops 😅
@TheGameLocker Any idea when the third video will be available?
Still planning on it - video filming was done a while ago but the editing is long task that I haven't had the time for due to life stuff.
@@TheGameLocker Thanks! Do you have a Patreon or other means to monetarily thank you and encourage your efforts? I'm almost done binge watching all of your LotR:TCG content, and it was certainly worth compensation, but for educational and entertainment value.
@@andrewgr144 Wow, I really appreciate your willingness to support a stranger on the internet :D. Seriously, that's really awesome, I'm just happy these videos have been helpful for you. If you'd like to drop a tip there's a "thanks" button next to the "like" button you can use. No Patreon right now, cuz I'm not regularly making content in this season of life and don't want that kind of pressure/accountability, lol.
@@TheGameLocker Done!
17:59 see you are paying for the event "sneak attack", so the cost is paid during the combat phase, not only in the planning phase?
Yep - events are different. Allies & attachments can only be played during the planning phase, events are much more flexible, depending on what kind of effect is listed on the event card.
If a character with a permanent boon card attached dies but is brought back before the end of the scenario (for example with Fortune or Fate), do they get to keep the boon or is it lost?
Haha, that's a great question. My guess (not based on any particular rule) is that you'd keep the permanent boon on that hero, but I'd be interested in hearing what the community consensus is on that.
@@TheGameLocker It just happened to me in Journey in the Dark. I sacrificed Gandalf who had Noble Hero attached to deal 14 damage to the Balrog, then brought him back with Fortune or Fate before we finished the scenario. My thinking was since the card is still in the campaign pool, I would be able to attach it to him again at the beginning of the next scenario. I did not give it back to him when he came back.
Yiiiiieewwwww!!!!
If Eowyn is committed to the quest, can you still use her action even though she is exhausted?
Good question! Some Actions require you to exhaust the hero (like Beravor), others don't (like Eowyn). Always follow the text on the card :)
What card sleeves do you use?
Sleevekings 8810, heroes in Dragon Shield Matte
@@TheGameLocker Great! Thank you! I just got the core set for my birthday, and your videos have been a huge help while I'm trying to learn the game.
@@Ethor95 Awesome, thanks!
Is exhausting Honor Guard to protect Derndingle Warrior not a change in game state? He wasn’t exhausted, now he is. That is a change
I just had a lengthy discussion about this with another commenter asking about the same thing :). check the comments, you should be able to find it!
@@TheGameLocker found it. You are the best kind teacher. Always ready to talk out the answer. You are so helpful 🙏🏻
Dream chaser breakdown?
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It's never clear whether the three heroes count as part of the 50 or not.
Your heroes do not count as part of your deck size ;)
Derendungle warrior DOES change game state...the guard is exhausted.
This specific card interaction was actually confirmed by the designer. It's tricky, but you need to separate the COST on Derndingle Warrior's ability from any other effects or responses triggered like Honour Guard - those are separate. Derndingle's cost is to damage himself. That cost must be paid, and paying the cost must actually change the game state. All that matters for resolving that cost is ensuring that the damage is actually placed on Derndingle Warrior - that will allow his defense boost effect to happen. Exhausting Honour Guard is separate, and is not considered when checking whether paying Derndingle Warrior's cost changed the game state. Hope that helps!
@TheGameLocker thanks for clarifying. However, this still seems inconsistent to me.
I've been using spirit Eowyn (discard do raise will) with silver harp (exhaust to return a card). Is this not allowed because the cost for Eowyn wasn't paid?
What about the Aragorn Theodred interaction?
I get that the designer weighed in on this particular interaction, but it seems like he had clarify because that particular rule diverges from the design pattern. One-off exceptions to design patterns just feel icky. Elegant design should be consistent. Either cards should be allowed to refund other cards' cost, or they shouldn't, or exceptions should be explicitly printed on the card.
Seems like a woopsie...which is fine. I can't begin to imagine the complexity in designing a game like this!
@@AtrusGambit This is a really good question! I'm asking the FB group for their thoughts ;)
@TheGameLocker awesome!
Only thing I can think of is the word "cancel" implies, "act as if it never happened." That then would mean, "act as if the cost was never paid."
@@AtrusGambit I found an old forum post discussing this as well: ffg-forum-archive.entropicdreams.com/topic/194432-silver-harp-response-trigger/page/1/#comment-1908580
I think you hit one key point in that Honour Guard "cancels" the damage. Whereas Silver Harp says "AFTER a card is discarded from your hand". That implies that you still discarded the card, so the cost was still paid for Eowyn's ability, and Silver Harp came in afterwards.
Aragorn + Theodred still definitely happens, because there's no cancelling happening here. Aragorn gains a resource, then he spends a resource. Hope that helps!
Thanks!
You are the best, thank you so much for the support!! I really appreciate it!!