Art Out of Time: Unknown Comics Visionaries 1900-1969
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I absolutely love your work, but I must correct you. The first black light comic book I have ever seen is "La Balada de Jolene Blackcountry", or The Ballad of Jolene Blackcountry, by Spanish cartoonist Victor Puchalski, published in 2017 by Autsaider Cómics. I highly recommend it to you, not only its visuals, but also its story are great! Thank you for all your work and read more comics!!
We love your comics and the show. We would love to see you meet up with Lynda Barry, Ronald Wimberly, Jesse Moynihan, Ann Nocenti, Joe Sacco, or Scott McCloud. Also, we're down for a full history of Caliber. The story must be told!
I agree!
This is a fantastic book, wonderfully put together by Dan Nadel; I'm so glad to see it getting a spotlight. I'm only halfway through so I don't know if this gets mentioned, but Nadel has a 'companion volume' - Art in Time - that highlights forgotten comics by famous people, including comics by Harry Lucey and Bill Everett. Completely worth checking out as well!
This book has been on my shelf for over a year, but I honestly haven’t opened it (kept looking at it, thinking about it, but never really did it). Thanks so much for this video!
Winsor McCay Hal Foster and Pierre Joubret are my favorite artists of that time frame that should be talked about more
Agreed. Winsor McCay art is beautiful. I was extremely lucky to see an exhibit in Newark a few years back. I could not believe I'd never heard of him.
I recently bought the two volumes of The Complete Little Nemo by Winsor McCay, put together by Alexander Braun and published by Taschen and the strips are reproduced at the giant Sunday paper size. In the first volume there are 145 pages worth of history and just really fascinating stuff. I would love to see you guys put it under the microscope.
The Little Nemo Sunday Press volumes from Pete Maresca are even larger!
I second this. Those books are beautiful! Recently got those to upgrade my Checker hardcovers and the colors and scans are leaps and bounds above those reprints
So glad you guys talked about this book, one of my favorites. I hope you look through the sequel, Art in Time, as well.
Love love love love freakin’ love this episode. Excellent deep dive! Thanks, Ed and Jim!
Amazing book, there's also a second volume. I was just looking at "Forgotten Fantasy" from Sundays Press yesterday. It's a very similar collection but at broadsheet size. It would be a great book to review on this channel.
P.S. Rory Hayes episode?! Yes please
Amazing how different the medium has aged. I wish there were more autobiographies on these lesser known artists.
Just when I think you guys can’t show me something I’ve never seen, once again I’m surprised and impressed. Good work, keep em coming.
I really enjoy hearing your appreciations and your smiles and comments. thanks for this great review. It did me good to see him.
This is a Stella episode thank you guys. I love the videos of these kinds of anthology comics ephemera books. So inspiring.
Wow! So much beautiful work!
Those Elmo comics were originally strips, I believe. Frank Young wrote a great two-part history of the strip (it's amazingly bizarre and dark) for TCJ.com, and is in the process of reprinting big runs of it. The first volume came out last year, and the second is now available on Amazon. Worth a look!
The Nostrand/Eisner connection is pretty direct. Howard Nostrand was a Bob Powell assistant, and Powell worked for Eisner, notably on Sheena and Mr. Mystic in the Spirit section. Nostrand was a noted chameleon. His Lucky Star western comics were mistaken by collectors as Jack Davis for years, His Harvey story "Ivan's Woe" was exactly the same jousting knight scene as a Wally Wood EC fight, except all of the shots were from different angles. So it was a swipe, but also original, very much in Wood's style. Tour de force work.
The first work of Howard Nostrand I ever saw was Targitt from Atlas in 1975 and I could tell from the style he had a connection to Eisner.
That "Wiggle Much" strip reminds me of Michael Deforge.
Great seeing these. Sad to hear about Whitney's final days. He, Shauffenberger and Swan/Anderson (Swanderson) were my favorites as a little kid. I went on to appreciate Kirby and others quickly, but he (and they) still have a way of feeling like "going home again". Great insight on all of these works. Another cool video.
23:28 This is a lot like Dav Pilkey's work (Captain Underpants; Dog Man)
Nice work, fellas. #subscribed
I need to read White Boy, Sparky Watts, and Naughty Pete. Those were very striking to me. Great video and thanks for posting!
fantastic!!
White Boy was also reprinted in the Smithsonian collection of newspaper strips; but prior to seeing Garrett Price’s work there, I was familiar with his art as a children’s book illustrator. He made a particular mark on me doing the illustrations for the Mary Nash “Mrs Coverlet” series in the late 50s. Still love those books.
Great book! Hope you do Art In Time as well!
It's worth noting that Dick Briefer also created The Bronze Terror, which was tied to the day with Nelvana of the North as the first superhero POCs.
Dick Briefer's Frankenstein is some of my favorite cartooning ever. I would totally check out the ps artbooks reprints, they are done just like in this book and I'm pretty sure they collect all of his work on Frankenstein. Super funny series with some grotesque imagery.
The White Boy comic is referring to how Native Americans had a strange habit of kidnapping random people of other tribes and then raising them as part of their own tribe. Lotta weird stories about that.
I know that Chris Ware is a big Boody Rogers fan. Chris and My former step brother John Keene went to college together and They tracked down & visited Boody somewhere in Texas when they were in college
Hairbreadth Harry was another one in the Smithsonian collection. The character wore a top hat and was a pastiche of the mustache twirling villain from the silent film era (the kind who’d tie a damsel in distress to a railroad track while a train was coming down the track).
Justin Duerr published a beautiful book on Herbert Crowley titled "the Temple of Silence" over at Beehive Books, he's a fascinating cartoonist and worth a deeper dive.
I'll second 'Temple of Silence' with all my heart. One of my favorite books ever since I received it. Absolutely beautiful and utterly fascinating.
Oh man those Walter Quermann comics look goooooooooooood😍
Another entertaining and informative tour through a great book. Bob Powell was working for Sick magazine until his death. I don't know about alcoholism, but I don't think so. Look at the Michael T. Gilbert in the Comics Journal for his appraisal of Powell's work. Gilbert was a particularly perceptive cartoonist in the early 80's and has done a lot for comics history over the years. Also, there was a great Howard Nostrand interview in Graphic Story Magazine that was reprinted in the Comics Journal. Graphic Story Magazine was a very interesting fanzine that had in-depth interviews with all sorts of good comics creators.
That should read "Look at the Michael T. Gilbert interview in the Comics Journal". It was a cover interview, and it was done before Mr. Monster debuted. ALSO, I don't think Nostrand died as an alcoholc on the streets either. He was working for Cracked and National Lampoon in the years up to his death. Neither Powell or Nostrand were rolling in dough, but they were doing ok when they died.
Regarding Elmo: I would guess it WAS a reformatted daily strip. At the time, daily strips would have space at the top of the first panel for the title (think Peanuts, that always had that black & white title block in the first panel); thus, the first panel of a strip will have the word balloon lowered to make room fir the name. It’s very noticeable that every fourth panel has that lowered word balloon.
Dude this Rory Hayes stuff is proto-Mark Beyer! Agony looks so similar to this. Can't believe this. Gotta find some reprints or a copy of this book.
I use to like the old Wally Wood and Steve Ditko Thunder Agents of the 60s and found reprints.
Which was the style at the time!
Harlan Ellison wrote about George Carlson in "All in color for a dime" (late 1960s?) and Carlson said about his writing that he knew he was writing for preschoolers and wrote to an attention span of just a minute or two. He told stories like a preschooler would tell a story with no actual continuity and no rules.
I've enjoyed Screwball: The Cartoonists that Made the Funnies Funny by Paul C Tumey. A great cross section of Cartoonists and would be a great book for people to check out.
@14:23, I've only read about Bob's bad personality from the book "Bob Powell's Terror," where Will Eisner said George Tuska had enough of Bob's wise ass remarks and "punched out Bob."
Oh, I forgot... no one can read my comments. LOL...
The Wigglemuch TOTALLY looks like Victor Moscoso.
Also, I don't see any awful things when I look at Bob Powell's bio, just a lot of disappointment and injured ambition, and that he died relatively young(51). You might be conflating him with CRIME DOES NOT PAY's Bob Wood:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Wood_(comics)#Manslaughter_charge_and_death
I'm not sure this book is meant to showcase "outsider cartoonists." Just rare, forgotten ones who for whatever reason is worth seeing. Those vary from artist to artist. It's true you have your Fletcher Hanks, who was apparently a vile person, but you also have Milt Gross or Boody Rogers.
It is a great book. Thanks for the show.
PS Charles Forbell is AMAZING.
Bingo !!!
My initial thought also ... the striking similarity of ZAP's Moscoso & the decades earlier, Wiggle Much.