Will Channel 4 Shut Down and is MrBeast Moving To Mainstream TV?
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- čas přidán 5. 02. 2024
- Channel 4 has announced big job cuts, where will it find its next hit? Could Mr Beast be about to move from CZcams to the mainstream? And why are so many films and TV shows being shelved despite being finished?
All that on this week's The Rest Is Entertainment with Marina Hyde and Richard Osman.
Twitter: @restisents
Email: therestisentertainment@gmail.com
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Who under 35 is watching TV and willing to sit through multiple/non-skippable ads? Writing as a 48 year old bloke.
Morons & sheep I think dude ha ha
I'm also 48 and haven't tolerated sitting through multiple/non-skippable ads for years. The only thing on traditional TV stations I watch is sport. Everything else is on CZcams or a streaming platform.
The vast majority of people. Internet based streaming is cool but it does not compare to live tv that runs and all you have to do is sit there and switch it on. Nothing worse than a live stream freezing in the middle of a football match.
34. I don't watch TV. I watch CZcams and some shows on Netflix/Prime.
@@fvefve12Record stuff and watch it later to skip ads
I love Richard and had no idea he did this until he put “mrbeast” in his thumbnail and the algorithm says “this is for you”
Taskmaster one is what got me, this podcast is great, but the algorithm is strong
Same.
It's rare that you hear something truly new, but "Gilded Age Clicks" is an amazing phrase
Don't forget those Medici Renaissance Clicks, too.
If anyone is reading this, I don't like the fact that we're constantly switching back and forth between shots of Marina and shots of Richard. In the old studio we could see you both at once.
I got motion sickness
I don't mind.. A 3rd wide camera would assist.
Camera shots have me clicking out after 35 seconds. I’m done
I just wasn't a fan of the weird lighting shadows on Marina. Whatever -- the conversation was great as usual.
I was chatting to an old advertising exec friend of mine a year or so ago - someone with very long teeth. He said that of course certain advertisers and agencies will go off linear broadcasting because they can get away with playing with the truth of their products in certain types of online ads in a way that you can't on broadcast media. For instance, they can book an ad on Facebook and it will simply pass through and "air", then only get pulled up for inaccuracies if someone complains. Whereas on broadcast media, you have to clear first. So, it is only partly because of following the audience, it is about how they can message too. A bit dodgy, really.
It's how they can track the data too. TV viewing figures are total works of fiction. Only 5,000 house in the UK supply the viewing data that makes up the BARB rating system, which means if 200 people watch the show, it gets reported as 1 million people. Frankly, it's the biggest scam ever invented.
With social media advertising, you can see how many people came from Facebook, you target their age, income, interests, friends, etc and with the facebook pixel you can finely tune your ads so that they show to people more likely to buy your specific products. I'm not saying ads on Social Platforms aren't complete bollox either but they are vastly more tangible (and affordable) than TV advertising.
Sky Sports have involved a lot of CZcamsrs in their football coverage in the past few years. And it’s dreadful. It just doesn’t translate to a professional TV show.
talk sport are moving that way too and it doesn't work
And on sky F1 too
Agree entirely. It's become a turn off channel for me. Some of the pundits they have on TV as well are awful, where you have good people usually on the EFL coverage, those that appear on the EPL are just unlistenable.
@@readingfcdecthe difference is Talksport genuinely couldn't get any worse. You can't tell me Mark Goldbridge is any more worse to listen to than Jamie O'Hara or Andy Goldstein.
If you're 15 or 16 it probably does
Mainstream media in general is in trouble because its shite with crap shows and people are going elsewhere to get entertainment.
Agreed, bonny lad 🙄
I must be the only person who’s never watched a Mr Beast video. I haven’t been actively avoiding him, but he just hasn’t been recommended and none of the channels i watch regularly ever talk about his videos.
czcams.com/video/_FX6rml2Yjs/video.html
that pretty much got him famous.
I never watched a Mr Beast video, though I have watched and had comments replied to by Mr Beat.
they are aimed at children that's why
He's absolute crap.
@@AbiSaysThingsI’ve never watched him, but he’s obviously not crap
If you pander to everyone, you cater for no one.
Fascinating discussion about channel 4. I could listen to Richard talking about telly for hours.
Really fascinating, I think the idea about the current govenrment only caring about news content is a really important. I think that's true in a lot of sectors, where they have been laser focused on one or two (relatively unimportant) issues and then leave really simple, good, uncontroversial ideas on the side of the road.
Really enjoyed this, Ive also subbed on Google Podcasts.
I could listen to Richard, talk about anything for hours and end even how recycling works LOL
I remember seeing a trailer for "Shafted" with Kilroy Silk! Looked absolutely chronic 😂
As someone who is quite firmly in the Channel 4 demographic this is all pretty depressing. Modern CZcams is crap (used to be good), ITV is crap, Channel 5 is diabolical. Guess I'm at odds with the world.
@svnvijil to find the good ones.
@svnvijil Dude, it's NOTHING like it was 5 years ago, it's been sanitized by the advertisers & money men now, very watered down, trying to appeal to a mainstream audience, that's not how it started out, in 5 years time it'll be dead, watch this space
Was not expecting the Jet Lag Game show Shutout. Congrats on being super connected with CZcams culture in 2024
Waiting for the comparison between Nebula and Netflix
22:32 @jetlagthegame
Tom Scott has also helped develop a number of quiz and panel-show formats clearly inspired by British TV, but on an indie CZcams budget.
@@andybrice2711 Well said, have some mystery biscuits :D
Interesting conversation. Err, having not had a TV for 10 + years, I’ve just spent 3 months looking after my beautifully dear old mum. She’s of the generation, buying the TV times on Tuesday, then ringing the programs is compulsory. My observation is the majority of programming is made for the female viewer. Female news readers, weather forecasters, dramas like Call the Midwife, soaps, programs about mass murders. Chuckle, Chuckle, my sister & mum love this type of content. Mmm, Men under 50 don’t seem to watch TV, the legacy media. Evenings at my sister & brother, (both late 50’s married for over 30 years). My brother & brother in law slip off to surf youtube, (news, sport, hobbies), whilst the my sister & sister in law sit down to watch TV. All my love, love, love to you both. Xx
I remember someone saying something similar about the Daily Mail a while back and now I can't unsee it. There's always some kind of 'fashion' strapline just underneath the title which is usually as big as the title if not more so, and there's usually a picture of a female Royal (or other female celebrity) in the bottom righ-hand corner as well (which is usually pointing out there good/bad fashion choice).
Channel 4 did it to itself. They stopped being an innovative broadcaster a long time ago.
It went from dealing with “controversial” and taboo busting shows to middle class people in a tent baking.
@@totallybored5526 Precisely, remember things like : The Snowman, films from people like Peter Greenaway and Derek Jarman, the televised stage adaptation of Nicholas Nickleberry, Porterhouse Blues, Drop the Dead Donkey, Whose Line Is It Anyway?, After Dark, Secret History, Equinox, etc? Those were Channel 4 doing the innovative stuff - I can't remember the last time it did anything like that in recent times.
Yeah, ITV is mostly pretty weak. But it does excellent docu-dramas. What does Channel 4 even do now? Except for the news and the occasional panel show.
Completely agree, it was cutting edge and controversial back in the day. The biggest harm was the updates to the c4 on demand app which doesn't work properly on a vast number of devices. As a result I've ended up watching much less c4 shows because of this.
No, that’s that idiot, Conservative Nadeem Dorris or what other her name is I’ve deliberately spelt it wrong because she does not deserve her name typed out properly when she tried to justify to the public why it should be sold because it is not financially stable, even though they benefited the British taxpayer, £84 million per year
They stopped making great shows and went all in on Big Brother reality TV crap. Bring back what the had in the 90s.They had great evenings with themed movie nights, Godzilla one week, Bollywood the next. Vidz, Bitz, The Word, edgy comedy shows, a lot of stuff. Nowadays its terrible gogglebox and housing shows that should be on the daytime schedules.
Just so you know, Big Brother hasn’t been on Channel 4 for at least 15 years it went to Channel 5, they got rid of it. ITV took that over so that’s not gone back to ITV and Channel 4 actually makes a profit. Everybody is being misled by retarded governments, trying to privatise everything, so they can get a piece of that pie. I do also think Channel 4 makes terrible content, but that’s not really the point they are making
Godzilla movie straight after Vic Reeves Big night Out! Great telly.
Speaking as an older parent surely the elephant in the room is that C4’s youth audience do not watch tv through choice. They watch output on social media. You say C5 knows its audience. Perhaps C4 needs to laser in on a new ( or slightly older one).
Yes exactly, 15 years ago Channel 4's demo might've been YA. But today it's still those same people who are now in their mid to late 30's who still tune in to the same episodes of Big bang theory as they saw 10 years ago, because it's comfortable. I honestly don't think another inbetweeners or peep show would bring younger eyes to the channel, why would they want to regress to watching adverts again. Ad blocker and youtube is all the current generation need.
Increasingly I find commercial television unwatchable mainly due to the basic format.
If I see an interesting topic on CZcams, it's usually condensed into a ~20-minute video. On TV, that same content is padded out to an hour, intercut with various other topics to keep you watching through the 15 minutes of advert breaks.
@@andybrice2711I started watching CZcams on x2 setting. Most programs just end up the same word speed as Brett Cooper on normal setting.
@@Simon-ku7ky you're forgetting netflix and disney plus
They're all muscling into the online space now and pushing out the small creator because nobody (With a brain) is watching the absolute garbage & lies that the mainstream TV stations pump out
chanel 4 been dead for years....someone just forgot to bury it
Wondered what that smell was
Channel 4s a fantastic broadcaster.
Channel 4 does some great stuff. Their news programmes is probably the best on TV.
They got captured by the radical left identity politics obsessed clowns.
Such as ?????@@craigfoulkes
I'm 51 in Ireland and haven't watched TV in nearly 12 years. Currently a major scandal involving state tv, RTE, the licence fee, corrupt use of funds and waste is ongoing. There has been a significantly sharp drop off in those purchasing licences. This combined with the huge fall off in advertisement revenue calls into question the sustainability of regular tv stations, public service broadcasting and any licencing model they may introduce. Middle aged and younger people are seeing less value in regular tv and moving online which is much more flexible and you are guranteed to find content that interests you.
The undeniable reality that's hard to ignore is the shift away from traditional television viewing. Personally, I find myself consistently disappointed by TV shows nowadays, gravitating instead towards more extended, unedited forms of content. This shift intrigues me because it fosters a more natural, uncondensed dialogue. Specifically, television programs, particularly on channels like Channel Four, offer roughly 40 minutes of actual content padded out with 20 minutes of commercials within an hour, and the quality of these advertisements is particularly poor. Reflecting on my millennial upbringing, there was a time when we all watched the same shows and discussed them the next day at school. It felt very formulaic. I appreciate that society is evolving beyond this type of 'programming' to seek out content that truly resonates with us, rather than being forced to consume simplified, uninspiring content that lacks depth or sparks meaningful conversation. When you compare today's television offerings to those from 50 or 60 years ago, it's apparent there's been a decline in the richness of conversation, standards, and quality of content, which often now carries a political bias or an underlying agenda.
Funny that Richard worked for Endemol because I blame Big Brother as starting the slide into programmes broadcasting absolutely nothing interesting happening for hours.
Endermol sounds like an over the counter constipation medicine.
I probably haven't watched C4 since the Jordan Peterson vs. Cathy Newman interview.
I remember that. What a silly own-goal for C4 and Cathy Newman.
Channel 4 made barely any attempt to change since 1997 when Netflix incorporated its a bit like blockbuster failing to change
I came to the comments section to say the exact same thing. Channel 4 - the clue is in the name. Its competition when its remit was created was three other channels. Adapt or die - the problem is that the 15% layoffs will come from the production staff instead of senior management.
They remind me of the Southern TV ITV franchise circa 1981.
I am so happy to have found this podcast. You're both brilliant 😊
It looks like the British population have the same opinion on channel 4 as the Tory government. Its aload of rubbish.
yet they dont get rid of it
Depends which bit. It's also been the only credible news outlet for the last decade+
Blaming the government for everything 😅 the commercial landscape has changed and C4 hasn't.
Yes but it is more often than not the government's fault. Who was it that deregulated commercial TV in 1991 and started the ball rolling in the first place?
The public service remit is imposed on C4 by the government. I think C4 do great news as a result of it... but it does contrain them. Maybe they do need a bit of support in some form as a result?
The TV licence and endless ads help push people away from boring programming.. .. whereas YT has great content for free.. ..ie Mr Beast, Colin Furze, The Petherics, science programming.. .. anything and everything, and mostly done in high quality video with great editing and production
There’s a connection even within this episode - younger demographic want Mr Beast on CZcams not Channel 4. Older generation don’t want the painfully woke output from Channel 4. Channel 5 has mopped the boomers up - and has done well to recognise what older viewers want.
Doesn't 'woke' (that is dog whistle pejorative) in the context you're using it indicate that you only like gay or black people in your porn collection?
No dude, MORONS & kids want Mr Beast, everyone else just wants original, honest content with no agenda attached to it
The problem with Channel 4 is that was known for things like Banned Week, w@nk week, live autopsies, and Brookside, now it’s known for the safety of middle class Baking.
TV as a medium is dead, it just hasn’t realised yet, streaming is the new TV, just as email killed the fax machine. Young people don’t watch TV, older people don’t want the kind of programming that TV stations are putting out, advertisers want an audience and they know that TV, in comparison to online ads is tiny and expensive. The license fee is also a factor, with many people not choosing to pay for it and watch TV anymore, it is antiquated and irrelevant nowadays.
Television is a simple model. Make programmes people want to watch and then sell the advertising. Why do so few "television executives" understand this concept?
Because nowadays people don't watch linear TV & skip all ads.
I'm guessing, like me, you've skipped ads on CZcams to watch this episode!
Cathy Newman and her Jordan Peterson interview was probably a key moment
This was a very good video. Really enjoyed hearing the business side of entertainment in the UK.😊
Marina gesticulates as if she’s really overwrought.
Loved this thank you really absorbing - subbed on Google Podcasts as well. ❤
One of the problems with tv is that they stick to themes. How many talent shows of some form are there, then reality shows and cooking shows etc. I want unique things on tv, not clones. Why are there no proper computing programmes?
This was a fascinating listen about Channel 4
My 8yo doesn't watch linear TV and doesn't have much interest in the pay TV streaming platforms like Netflix, Amazon or even Disney+. But he knows all about the top CZcamsrs.
I'm a TV professional and this was a great watch, I'll be subscribing!
Why are they not producing/commissioning great shows like Father Ted, the IT crowd, the Word anymore… im sure those kinds of shows are out there somewhere. They have aired some good programs but they’re very far and few between unfortunately!!
The first two you mention were written or written/directed by a person who is persona non grata with the left and would never be allowed on Ch4 now. The range of opinions allowed on Ch4 these days would exclude a significant number of talented people. The third programme finished in 1995, 28 years ago... Channel 4 deserves to fail.
Tbh the output at Channel 4 is pretty poor these days, they do have the odd standout drama but most of their output is mediocre, relying on the same old shows that are 15+ years old.
I can't remember the last time I checked to see what was on.
all UK television is pretty poor tbh. i was really surprised marina said the entertainment industry is one of the last things the UK does well.
I dunno they're very creative,9 out of cats does countdown is fantastic.
@@Nick-fg4dq quiz coms and game shows are meh, its entertaining but nothing groundbreaking.
@@Nick-fg4dq Channel 4 doesn't make programmes - they just commission them from production companies.
@@paulburton9386 OK commissions them,but it's a collaborative effort and they're ch4 shows.
Channel 4 needs new leadership ASAP.
Chanell 4 has lived of the backs of working class people and those who struggle as well as indulging narsasism in the form of big brother, all so the middle-upper class watch on for the joy of it - let it burn the future is online and if they wanted loyal followers they should have produced good programmes and a news room that isn't bought and paid for
It's difficult to have any sympathy for Channel 4: the station that commissioned and aired "Benefits Street" and other anti-social security poverty porn. Channel 4 took no action when Rachel Riley paraded around the Countdown studio wearing a defamatory anti-Corbyn t-shirt. The station now just seems to be a cash machine for Jimmy Carr and his cronies. Some of these ^documentaries^ it's taken to airing (such as the recent #IAmAndrewTate show) wouldn't pass the quality control procedures at Quest.
Unfortunately the fact that you're saying this and other people are denouncing it for being "too woke" shows they just can't win
@@AbiSaysThings unfortunately, the fact that you're resorting to the "they get flack #OnBothSides therefore they can't win/must be doing something right" platitude is cringe. Who'd have thunk the station that brought us "Send nudes," "rate my sextape" and "Naked Attraction: for kids" might now be struggling for both viewers and advertising revenue!?
Brilliant. My new favourite CZcams channel!
In my opinion; C4s last big hit was It’s A Sin released in 2021.
I love the behind the screens chat about the industry. love this show.
And this is exactly what would happen to the BBC if people weren't forced to pay the licence fee.
Ch4 has been a heavy hitter in the past, some of it's dramas were incredibly serious and top tier...however they decided years ago that they were going down the cheap 'reality tv' route and now they reap what they sow...also they have massively over estimated the country's hunger for far left programming, they are only appealing to 16-21 yo's and unfortunately that demographic is far more interested in the Internet
David Zaslav is such a something. The entire network took a massive quality hit when he started realityfying every damn thing.
There seems to be a link between young people
Watching youtube and channel 4 struggling. Even some longer content on CZcams such as Colin Furze, Slo mo guys, or Simon a bloke in the woods seems like it would find a home on channel 4.
For the most part, Channel 4 appealed to a mostly younger audience than its contemporaries. I imagine that is the main demographic that would have watch the likes of Mr beast or other similar online content. It's very hard to compete.
The player app has improved a lot over the past couple of years, but is still way behind most of the others, which would swing some people.
Your points about Channel 4 form leave being a place known for making edgier material, taking risks and being a place where people break out (for lack of a better term) is interesting. Nowadays, all of that is happening online, which is more that Channel 4 has to compete against.
The app is still too clunky
Remember Jeremy Corbyn, who promised to make sure that this settle was well looked after what did Channel 4 the BBC and ITV do lie about Jeremy Corbyn and every single turn and now we have this whingeing how pathetic
Perhaps Channel 4 could go back to one channel, pool funding into the quality programmes it was known for in the 1990s and rely less on talking TV and nude trashy dating shows.
For a channel that once gave us the Crystal Maze, Whose Line is It Anyway, and the ground breaking early years of Brookside as well as the finest of American imports, Frasier , ER etc, it would be sad to see them go.
But it can't carry on the way is It currently is.
A change of government and a change in controller is definitely in order
I want to see more tv shows based in normal UK towns, not everything has to be London or Manchester, get out there into Tamworth, Paignton, Stafford, Luton etc. We need more realistic stuff that reflects everyone.
Or even somewhere North that isn't Yorkshire (Channel 5 seems to have cornered the market in Yorkshire-themed programming)
22.37....
Nobody noticed ha
Spouting hahahaha
This is what happens when people are watching , i.e channel 4, itv , ect, ect & bbc getting all the money , for channels that don't belong to them , it's criminal
I hadn't heard of this podcast before.
It's good.
Subscribed!
One point not mentioned in the Channel 4 discussion is that there cannot, legally, be such a thing as Channel 4 Studios- they started a boom in independent studios specifically because they *had to* buy in all their content. They now face a double-whammy; not only is all the advertising revenue going online where it can be targeted at individual viewers (hence C4's drive to promote their streaming service), competition among global streamers has massively increased demand for production facilities and skills, raising prices to insane levels. ITV does have its own production business, and for years has been buying independent companies all over the world, so ITV Studios are raking in the benefits of the increased demand, neatly compensating for the advertising drain.
PS: ITV and Channel 5 actually do have public service obligations, which is why, for example, ITV still does local news bulletins, and Channel 5 still shows children's programmes at breakfast time.
Last year's Media Bill will remove this restriction, allowing Channel 4 to make its own content
@@epicmade-zo3fc And it's just passed its Third Reading in the Commons, so things may actually start to happen!
I am 54, and I feel a certain tingling of excitement these days when I am watching actual TV. I gave up years ago and am just on streaming platforms and places like CZcams.
Why would I watch dumbed-down shows like Bakeoff (sorry! I know it has a big following), which is about 1000 copuycat programmes, when I can have something a lot more fresh, instant, to the point and authenitic stuff on CZcams!
It has moved away from navelgazing spotty youths a long time ago and I can find anything I am interested now there. from following content creaters on sialing ships, to interesting political discussions, to topics that dont even exist in broadcast media, like in depth discussions on the Steely Dan album Aja was made with the actual people who actually made it.
Traditional broadcasting is dead in the water and like someone said further down int he comments - it just has been forgotten to bury it.
@nikcrosina. I remember running home from school to watch Channel 4 start, being similar age to you. Even back then I felt the programmes for teenagers were aimed at late twenties who had not grown up. A couple of years earlier, my geography teacher was Adrian Edmondson's dad and it seemed that the programming was for Adrian's age group, not mine, or missed the point by talking down to the kids.
I always wondered what became of the show "Little Armadillos"?
Spot on. Love CZcams for the very reasons you stated
@@fanfeck2844 A good portion of the few CZcams channels I subscribe to have given up or are leaving, because they say "CZcams wants them just to do shorts" and they are "not getting the money they would have under amended rules". The more documentary type channel say they can "no longer show anything interesting without crossing guidelines". Some just stopped posting. All say they feel CZcams "wants to be TikTok" and they are "looking to move platforms" or "I had to put the full video on Patreon" though others "do not like some of the content" on that.
The general feeling seems to be "CZcams is moving in the wrong direction for the audience".
Note, I am just repeating what I heard.
All the TV 'presenter' weirdos are moving online now cos they know TV is as dead as the dodo and they're desperate for attention
CZcams supplies me with most of the content that I want. Channel Four hasn't done anything decent since the 90s. Mainstream TV should only be for the news, everything else belongs on the internet.
When you say 'news' do you mean propaganda & lies?
Really interesting insight into what's going on in the tricky creative industry right now
Nevermind Channel 4. Who gives a fook about the BBC. You're all sacked.
Old school media is so behind the times. Mr Beast is huge, but he has been for years. Most modern discourse is about how he has ruined the platform. His success has led to a drastic change in how creators make content and it’s not for the better. This is almost like he’s the big new thing and not the god of the platform.
Yes, the independent solo production youtube creator is now the bane for google. Google purposly wants bigger more professional, even mainstream production/content creators. CZcams see the market of bigger creators to attract advertising with none of the restrictions that mainstream advertising has.
This is a great episode. Would be great for you to do an episode about all the arts etc that are covered by the TV license as most people think they are getting nothing for it.
Warners-Discovery have just shut the newsroom at TV3 in New Zealand with the loss of hundreds of jobs over 3+ shows. Wonder what we'll get instead?
TV is dying, my mum watches tv, I occasionally watch it, the kids don't watch it at all. BBC needs to move to stream only and scrap the stupid licence fee.
Bring back After Dark. It was an open ended relaxed live late-night discussion that had no fixed finishing time. Celebrities would sit on settees in a dimmed studio and discuss all sorts of weird and sometimes philosophical topics. I also liked 'In The Psychiatrists Chair' with Antony Clare. I'm not sure whether that was on Channel 4 though. Anyway, quirky programmes like that would make me happy although I don't think it would have a major effect on viewing figures!
Ignoring the elephant in the room totally 😳
I love channel 4. However they changed from being edgy and unique to combating streaming services with the most mundane and dull slop. "The great British hobby competition, "Let's buy up the countryside, "Panel show ft Jimmy Carr, "comedy show ft Jimmy fkng Carr.
They stopped documentaries dead, sitcoms, comedy, music, all disappeared. Just more Jimmy fkng Carr
Channel Four is in trouble because they make too much niche content that doesn't appeal to a wider audience, which is why their advertising revenue is down.
It has content that is not in line with most of the populations morality. The general public is no where near as interested in those topics as the executives of the TV channels assume. It has now got to the point where they have to disguise the content in the first episode to get people hooked before they start to unpack it. We are now in an era where a shows finishing audience is a fraction of the starting audience.
Channel 4's survival shouldn't be dependent on which government is in power in the UK... are they a party political broadcaster? (not even a state broadcaster) they are broken if this is true and they should be shut down.
Film4 was amazing!!
Film 4 as a production house has helped release some incredible films recently. It’s still going strong !
Gotta laugh at the idea that Mr Beast with his 237million subscribers and 45billion views, and his chocolate bars in every store, isn't "Mainstream".
Whats his chocoloate bar called?
Who is he?
MrBeast Bar, feastables. They have a bunch of flavours. I love the guy and want him as the entire worlds leader but I aren't recommending his chocolate. @@fh7992y0
Feastables@@fh7992y0
He is the biggest person on CZcams@@no_one_of_that_name_here
Loving The Newsreader. Thanks Richard - great recommendation
My kids (in their 20s) don't watch live tv and consequently don't have a licence. That's the way things are going and its accelerating so I suspect in 10 years there wont be a C4 and I very much hope not a BBC at least in its current form. My only concern is the ability for people to get accurate news which is incredibly difficult these days with what is pedalled by the BBC and Sky being shocking. If anyone knows a political neutral news source then please let me know!
Small independent channels dude, that's the way forward for 'news' because you're certainly not going to get an unbiased opinion off the big players
Not sure why Mr Beast going on telly is seen as a switch to mainstream?
It’s the hubris of established broadcasting to think in those terms.
Unless his TV show has the Impact of 2010’s era Top Gear or Strictly… he’s going to have five times more viewers on his own YT channel than he’ll ever get on TV.
Why is he now chasing a streaming audience then?
@@patsissons4025 why is he going to tv? i would guess because he will get a lot of money upfront and knows it will fail and be cancelled very fast, then he can go back to a much much bigger audience.
@@jaimefernandez2624 Oh yeah it's for the money ofc. But I still question the term "mainstream" It's so pre 2008.
Mainstream has more money only because of the corporate and emotional friction caused by advertisers and producers leaving them
Channel 4s current output is awful...it was once was a fantastic channel.....such a shame..
Channel 5 is a great channel - just look at the niche they created for themselves in making documentaries, so many about the royals etc. Cheap to make but good money makers. They also make decent drama, just look at the reboot of All Creatures Great and Small, which the BBC declined to do. 5 News is very decent to watch also. Shows how if you know your audience, you can survive in this new era of TV.
Exactly, me too. I also get annoyed at having to pay license, should have tiers - do you listen to bbc radio (£30 pa), do you access iPlayer streaming (£5 pm) etc
i dont care about big films but what about taskmaster! what will happen to that!
bake off and pottery throw down too. channel 4 programmes always seem to have so much heart and just feel cosy and wholesome. i really hope they can ride this out
They said in the video they don't make it, they bought it. So someone else will likely pick it up on the cheap.
Taskmaster should of stayed on Dave. I watched it when it was on Dave, when it moved to C4 I stopped watching. Not out of protest or hate for C4, I simply didn't watch C4 anymore.
Channel 4 News is about the only high quality and distinctive programme on the channel, the rest of it is mostly bilge. At some point it either has to change or continue to shrink into ever further irrelevance.
Ch4 news is propaganda for leftist kids.
Going for a youth audience in a rapidly aging population presents three problems.
One. Every channel going for the youth audience 16 to 39 age group. All fighting for the same slice of the pie.
Two. We have an aging population. So that age group is shrinking.
Three. That age group is the one most likely to consume online and streaming content rather than traditional TV.
There is a 4th issue. That age group also has the lowest level of disposable income.
So for advertisers marketing that demographic via TV makes little or no sense at a cost point that would make creating good programming to support those advertising spots viable.
Channel 4 has become a channel that is championing DEI and it is paying the price. It is outdated in its outlook and more concerned with being trendy at the expense of the truth. Very London and very left wing. Guardian readers love it ie the bigoted left. I’m glad to see it go!
I'll be honest, I never thought I'd be hearing Richard Osman talk about Mr Beast lol
Moving to a steaming only model I feel is where the industry is heading anyway. Services like Sky Glass where your entire television platform is streamed is the direction UK television will be going. And like Channel 4 are turning their app into their overall brand, it's evident that ITVX is the same model for ITV and iPlayer will become the same for the BBC. It's a difficult transition phase, and eventually the plan held by all UK broadcasters (Freely) will consolidate all of this in order to take on Netflix, Disney+, Prime, etc.
Bell Media in Canada just had a similar bloodbath including deep cuts into its CTV news service. Britains unusual licensing system makes it different but share the same underlying cause: the internet. The UK could make some policy changes to broaden its market beyond its borders by fixing its strange way shows use copyright soundtracks and the loss of the licensing and co-production framework it had under the European Union.
"Channel 4 needs a successful quiz show, it doesn't have anything like the BBC or ITV"
Here's a quiz question for Richard: what was the first programme broadcast on Channel 4, remains its longest-running show, and would be recognised instantly by a substantial chunk of the British population with a phrase as simple as "consonant please" or "teatime teaser"?
Countdown
On Channel 4, worth also calling out It's a Sin and Derry Girls as some fairly recent hits - particularly It's a Sin cut through. Really interesting podcast as ever!
Would agree with It's A Sin although Derry Girls is a few years old now. I haven't watched tv for years but when i first heard of Derry Girls i thought it was on streaming. It now is. So that's not making me watch it on channel 4.
its a far cry from the 90s when they had Friends, Frasier, Father Ted, Space, graham norton etc etc that dominated friday night especially before digital, now its mostly unscripted lower production shows
@@cgdimension - but Friends and Frasier were bought in from the US at great expense (so not their shows), Spaced (I presume you meant) had 14 episodes *EVER* so was hardly a big show (it had very low ratings). Graham Norton's show was hardly a rating behemoth (it was very odd and edgy - much less tame than his BBC show); and again, Father Ted only ever had 24 episodes (and stopped airing before either Spaced or Graham Norton existed). So at best, you had 2 months of the year with the 2 big hit US shows and Father Ted on one night.
Channel 4 have *continued* doing this - it's just their two big US smash hits are "smaller" than Frasier and Friends - and with the proliferation of other channels, they use E4 to put all the shows on so there is no need to watch it on one night. The Big Bang Theory & How I Met your mother for instance - the equivalent (in terms of pull) of Frasier/Friends, have 2-3 hours daily broadcast on e4, and the whole series available to stream online. The Last Leg is today's equivalent (but better) of the Graham Norton show; Derry Girls is bloody great and can easily be compared to Spaced/Father Ted in terms of small number of episodes (19) but with a great cultural impact and export; then you've got things like 8 out of cats (+ does countdown) and Friday Night Dinner.
I think you are massively over-rating the 90s era of Channel 4. I'd say the mid 2000s era was way better (think Black Books, The IT Crowd, Green Wing) - the issue isn't as much nowadays Channel 4 isn't producing as much good comedy as the *UK* isn't - the best comedy on the iPlayer is Australian (Colin from Accounts); couple that with the best of the American stuff, even if it does make it's way over here, tends to be on a streaming platforms - think the Good Place, which is available on C4, but the whole show has been on netflix for years (so why would you wait for it to come out over on linear television). Other than Derry Girls, the last truly good British comedy was fleabag, which ran for only 2 seasons in 2016 and 2019.
Channel 4 having vanishingly few good ideas for television drama, comedy, or entertainment that can appeal to their youthful demographic is not the fault of any culture secretary. Perhaps they should hire more experienced commissioners or step outside and get a feel for the genuine wants of a modern Britain. Very Guardian take from Hyde here. Just as The Conservative Party has no God given right to exist, neither does Channel 4.
C4 wasn't beholden to the Tory party so it had to go.
Getting rid of Clarkson was the death of the BBC ,the man is simply irreplaceable imagine if Clarksons farm was a BBC show
Batgirl…Ha Ha, Creative… WHAT??? Sending chills through the artist community…. AHHH, HAAAAAA, Haaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaaaa… Please Stop It!
This discussion is the best comedy on Channel 4 since Chris Morris was around!
Cheers!!!
This just demonstrates how out of touch they all are, you know?
I am 50 and anyone younger than I am is basically spending far more time online watching CZcams or other streaming sources and the drag of programmed content is the last thing they want. Even I don't watch broadcast tv any more. A lot of this is also that the content feels stale, likely because the broadcast channels have had to target older viewers who watch out of habit to keep some viewership and so the content reflects this in a bad way.
I'm older than you and I ONLY watch CZcams
I’m not sure the statement about the licence fee being cut and cut and cut is right. Broadcast tv is dying, whether it’s C4 or any of the others because everyone is watching streaming or CZcams. It would be nice to see a discussion on why the BBC are allowed to charge you when you watch all these other commercial channels one for another day I think.
Warner Brothers realised that the films they made were terribly written and no one would go to the cinema to see them. Invest in better writers to solve the problem.
My problem with Channel 4 is that if I stream half of Taskmaster one day, I can't pick up where I left off and I have to go through all the ad breaks again. Not sure if it is just my setup but it has basically stopped me ever watching the channel
Their online player is terrible! There’s no wonder that no one is watching it.
The C4 catch-up service is a disaster. Unwatchable.
The tax right off thing just sounds like the plot for The Producers.
I assume Batgirl got cancelled because test audiences hated it.
I'm still salty they canceled the final season of *Westworld.*
I loved it all the way through. I would have loved to se the conclusion.
The first season of Westworld was great. The second season wasn't as good as the first but was still fairly okay. In the latter seasons, the show totally jumped the shark. The overall story and the production qualities went down greatly as did the overall viewership and interest.
It was a pretty expensive show for hbo to make, I'm not surprised that they got out quickly.
First season was great, second season was awful. Didn’t watch anymore but was stunned it was still being made by season 4. Should have been a limited series.
Season 4 was great, and I enjoyed most of 2 and 3. A shame it was cancelled, but the ending wasn't too unresolved.
I think a lot of people was disapointed when they changed the setting in season 3 and left the park. People fell in love with the gunslinger-robot show, but then it became a futuristic dystopian show. It could probably have been very successful if it stuck with the formula of a robot western show with tits and gore for many many seasons.
But I loved all of it. the futurism, the non linear story telling, the constant ambiguity about who was robots and who wasn't. In the end it didn't matter, and that was the whole point.
I'm very fond of the old movie from 1973, the one with Yul Brynner as wild west proto Terminator.
The 1973 movie had a sequel, Futureworld, from 1976, about a secret plot to replace important leaders with androids. The TV show followed exactly in those footsteps.
I would have loved to see how it would be tied up in the planned final season.
God, I would have loved a little more time with Dolores.
Some people choose to see the ugliness in this world the disarray. I choose to see the beauty.
I’m surprised WB pushed The Flash film out given the issues with its leading actor and not cancelled as a tax write off.
Though it's utterly absurd to me that the US has a tax system which actively rewards people for destroying expensive works of art rather than allowing them to be seen by the public.
Aquaman 2 could also have been written off for tax due to AH.
"Even though they are massively successful".
But aren't making enough income from advertising to be self sufficient. So not really at all successful.
not making stuff people want to watch and going broke seems to be an issue. very very upper-class persons who all went to the same university, Cambridge are making very politically charged content.
@@dwho3 I used to love watching channel 4 in the 80s & 90s.
It was edgy and in tune with the generation of the day, but without shoving "the message" down your throat every two minutes.
It never felt like they were preaching to you.