Why Kobe & Shaq didn't last past 2004 - The great feud
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Today I bring to you one of my favorite topics; the reasons surrounding why Shaq and Kobe could no longer coexist past the '04 season. There are so many half-truths and stories that float around when it comes to why the two broke up, but as you'll find from watching the video, there was far more than one reason (or person) this duo was doomed to eventually split.
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www.lakersnation.com/a-complet...
www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id... (Jim Gray interview, MUST READ)
• Kobe Bryant: Shaq had ... (Kobe: Shaq had to go)
• Kobe Bryant (Age 26) &... (Kobe, Shaq interview after trade) - Sport
Kobe and Shaq are one of the best duos ever because no matter what was wrong with them off the court they still balled the fuck out on the court
2 legit 55-60 oint scorers together...most duos wish they could do that
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# 8 Kobe with the afro I miss those days
Elijah Browne same
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Kobe #8 with the afro was a baller
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well both of them had huge egos
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Clearly one of them had a much bigger ego. It's pretty blatant who that was.
@@roboninja3194 yeah shaq
@@oscarm3_ You are missing even when it's obvious to guess
To be honest I'm glad that Kobe and Shaq split when they did, otherwise we wouldn't have got to see Kobe's individual dominance carrying the Lakers and the Wade/Shaq connection in Miami.
Too much of a good thing always has consequences.
SpyHarms yeah i get you but i would have loved to see them atleast till 2006 because then Kobe would take the nr1 spot on offense and Shaq could play a similar role as in Miami
Kobe had a pretty good Squad when he won without SHaq tho. He had Prime Gasol and Odom was ballin. Bynum was still up and coming but still a massive body that could defend along with some good shooters and perimeter defenders. Dont forget he also had Adam Morrison :)
+AR2 Agreed! If even one of those knuckleheads were smart enough to be the better man, they'd have 6-8 together and Kobe would've had his Finals MVPs from 2006 onwards. As long as one of them was showing by example that they could be the better man and take one for the team, the other would've followed suit I'm sure.
I hate to discredit Detroit's amazing efforts, but that 2004 finals could've been a lot more different if Kobe wasn't trying to prevent Shaq from getting that Finals MVP too
SpyHarms if you think that then get ready to watch the warriors for years to come. I wonder if they will rise or sink
Hardly anyone mentions the fact that with the exception of Glen Rice in 2000, Bryant never had a spot-up ace to kick the ball to for his entire career. Fisher, Horry, and Vujacic all played hot(well, lukewarm usually) or cold in Jackson's scheme. That Kobe ALSO never had a half-decent distributor to initiate the offense with either, is just as nuts! The dude was expected to be both play-maker, spot-up shooter AND the clutch finisher... while keeping The Diesel happy as well.
Kind of impossible, when you ponder it.
Kobe's cheating in Colorado and Jackson's coaching in 2004 didn't exactly help, either LOL. He should have limited Malone to 28-30 min max per game at that age, and brought Payton (or even Kobe) off the bench more often, so as to smooth out and optimize team chemistry, egos and production.
Shaq healing his foot on company time says it all
+Jaded Shim Right lol
Even though I'm a Shaq fan (I love Kobe too) I've got to agree with that. He could've been better but the laziness got in the way of the big picture
"Are you gonna fuckin' PAY me now??!!"
is what Shaq yelled at team owner Jerry Buss from on-court after a throwdown during a pre-season game during his '04 contract negotiations.
Love Shaq for life, but his friction with Jerry Buss and conditioning was seriously underplayed in this video, in favor of far too much media-inflated "feud" hype - hype that was inflated from basic conditions of having (arguably) the 2 most valuable players on the same team at the same time. Every bit of drama gets amplified and dissected.
True, talk about "selfishness"
So what would be kobe having to go to court and the huge distraction he caused during that season?
Who's here after Kobe's death
RIP Kobe, Gigi, Black Mamba
yep 😓
@@EliteSports217 it's called respecting someone after death. You don't shit talk someone after theh die
MHU 2k while I personally liked Kobe before his death u should still not change opinion based on death Kobe was selfish on the court and there’s nothing wrong with that it’s a part of his legacy
MHU 2k it’s his opinion damn. Because he thinks something else doesn’t fucking matter damn
they are both so selfish. They didnt see the overall pitcure that could have been 5 rings in a row.
+Nathen W Sad
Too many players grow up as young people dreaming to be a superstar and nothing but, greater than anyone else, often being a good teammate is not even a thought.
Rick fox injury hurt the 2003 lakers same for Horry going 5% from 3
Horry was straight GARBAGE that postseason!!
Woah Kobe is selfish he didn’t care about the team wasn’t a true friend
Would have been amazing if they stayed together !
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If they stayed together, Shaq would be the best center of all time, him and Kobe might be in conversation of GOAT, mainly Kobe. I could definitely see them having 6-8 rings together tho.
celticpride859 Why do so many people say this?? I don't buy it. I'm a huge Laker fan. I remember how fast Shaq started declining after they split. Yeah, he won one more with Wade (who played out of his mind) but it was a steep fast decline after that. If Shaq and Kobe stayed together, they get one more maybe, but not more than that
Stuff and Thaaangs I agree 100%. I'm a heat fan and Shaq those 3 years in Miami was not the dominant force we all knew him to be. He was outplayed by Ben Wallace in both of those ECF meetings, and in 2006 he missed most of the regular season due to injury. He was also foul prone, and a liability late in games due to hack-a-shaq. He was key in bringing the first banner to Miami, but his decline was evident.
They had two of the 10 best players of all time on the same team. That might have been the only time that that happened
The Kobe & Shaq feud is one of my favorite topics I`ll do on here. I had this planned back in August but it got pushed aside.
If anything, I hope people come away enlightened on the fact that it's not either of their faults alone that the duo didn't finish what it could do; rather it was the actions of both.
Feel free to share any Kobe Shaq stories you have!
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Dom2k Dom my Boi nice vid:)
Dom2k I get the feeling you're a kobe fan
Dom2k That one time Shaq called Kobe out..made a song about him 😂
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Dom2k now I don't know if they would've been great I forget Shaq got injured a lot in the years after leaving LA
Shaq was lazy, and Kobe wasn't a team player- what a combo! 😂😂
+Damon Sidur Yup, shows what Phil had to mesh together
Damon Sidur combo of 3 rings look at LeBron n wade best friends only got 2 together haha
Eddie Eddie kobe and shaq played a few more years together like 2-3... Kobe was young at the beginning which is why they didn't get more, with lj and wade it's a combo of lebron not holding up his end in 2011 and them getting together at the tail end of wades prime
but they got 3 championship lol.
Kobe Tells How Shaq Hated On His 9 Gm 40pt Streak.
czcams.com/video/OU0yZ3lintE/video.html
Kobe was right to question shaq's leadership. if THE alpha in the team sags off, then the whole swags off. a young lion like kobe is gonna pounce. had shaq applied himself, after chip 3, kobe would had dat 5-peat: GOAT
+MrPrizziceless agreed
"had shaq applied himself, after chip 3, kobe would had dat 5-peat: GOAT" Kobe played as much of a role in them not winning in 03 and is the biggest reason they lost in 04 to the pistons. Kobe played absolutely horrible that series and was clearly trying to go for finals MVP which made him shoot them out of the series.
Oh so if shaq applied himself kobe would have the 5 peat huh? So shaq applying himself=kobe legacy? My god are every one of you kobe fanbois actually this stupid? W/out shaq kobe would have 2 rings. But yep shaq needed to apply himself, smh. Remember kobe never won a ring w/out phil jackson either. With shaq/phil 5 rings. W/out shaq/phil 0 rings. That says it all.
Also remember how kobe's contract killed the lakers the last few years he was there. Compared to the athletes like brady who has repeatedly taken less so the team could get better players to win. That was another reason kobe wanted shaq gone, money. He knew he could not get a max deal with shaq there. And even after shaq was gone he acted like a child when he criticized the lakers publicly and demanded they trade him in 2006. Yep sounds like a great leader to me.
Dude has been nothing but a selfish me 1st shoot 1st player his entire career. Not to mention his awful field goal % and player efficiency, especially when compared to other great players. But i am sure those facts about his stats don't matter right? This is what i mean about kobe fanbois, they don't know anything about basketball.
@@roboninja3194 good to see someone knows what their talking about
But the fat and out shape tipped shaq off that’s what ur missing
For those that don't know,
Kobe snitching on Shaq cheating was a story that didn't break until Shaq was already gone.
This is a video about why they split up, hence why that isn't a part of the video.
Dom2k ok yeah that confused me
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how many rings do you think the lakers would have if they did trade for kid? i think shaq seriously might have 6-8 rings if that happened. also keep up the great work, you should have a lot more subs. you will be up there with Mike Korzemba
kobe NEVER snitched on shaq
My impression of those 2 back during their feud was Shaq's jealousy vs Kobe's immaturity...
What would Shaq have been jealous of? Shaq was the best player in the world, MVP, Finals MVP, unquestioned leader of the team. Kobe was the one who couldn't accept that.
@@logicaldude3611 Jealous of a younger, more-athletic, better-looking star with a flashier game.
Other way around tbh
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Great video, love the objectivity of your takes and analysis. You tell it like it is without picking sides.
Amazing content, thanks bruh
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this is a great objective analysis. Keep up the great work Dom
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Shaq won 1 championship without Kobe,
And Kobe won 2 championships without Shaq. Man, if these two have played together for a longer time, I think they could've bring longer dynasty in NBA
This was well done & objective. Thanks!
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At least this duo won titles. I can think of three exciting duos that would've been great to see more of and probably would've at least competed for titles.
McGrady & Carter - Raptors
Marbury & Garnett - Timberwolves
Iverson & Stackhouse - 76ers
All these potentially deadly combos broke up in some way because of ego.
+Green Reaper Very sad
Green Reaper Don't forget Durant and Westbrook
TheBrownGuy I didn't forget. They had plenty of time it just wasn't gonna happen. The duos I listed never even made a serious run because they split up soon after their pairing. Durant and Westbrook got to a Finals and should've made another one. They underachieved but they had their chance.
@@Rk9555 Durant & Kobe Would've Been Lethal
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Shaq openly admitted to not liking when Penny Hardaway became popular and excelled while in Orlando because he wanted it to be HIS team. A wedge had been driven between them too but not on the level of Shaq and Kobe's. Many players that have played with Kobe talk about how he was a difficult teammate. If the Lakers won but Kobe had a bad game he would get angry at them for celebrating which other players have attested to. Years after Shaq left Kobe immediately said "I have more championship rings than Shaq" after winning his last Finals appearance. Both were great players but nobody else was allowed to grow if they played alongside either of the two due to their egos. Great players but bad teammates.
Orlando was Shaq's team period. Same with LA . Hardaway & Kobe wanted to be the man
Lies Lies Lies, where's the source??? None?? Lmfao
As a Lakers fan I'm glad the all facts come out. Thanks
Awesome vid my dude.
Very nice work Dom! Thanks for the vid
+Pwnership Thanks for watching!
"Shaq & Kobe" was said so many times in the early 2000's. It was a meme.
Grew up with Kobe and Shaq dominating the game and I was really sad when they split up. Thanks for clarifying the events surrounding the split. I'm definitely one of those who wonders what could've been if they stayed together.
Dom, we can tell that your videos are worked on hard and you try. Thanks for being great man. Keep doing what you are doing and you will go far my friend
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wish penny and shaq would've won championships
dan marshal another team Michael Jordan screwed over
Magic beat the Bulls to get to the finals.......
that was the season when jordan played 17 games because he decided to quit baseball. if jordan didn't play baseball the bulls would have destroyed the magic
Frank Ngugi arguably
Pennys first 4 years were some of the best basketball i ever seen
They were both selfish, stupid, greedy and so arrogant at that time.
Well. They could have won at least, at least 2 more.
excellent piece bro... very fair and truthful
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@Leland Joseph That's if you ignore Wilt, Kareem and Lebron.
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Great video
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“I got hurt on company time, I’ll heal on company time.” -Shaq
Andrew Law selfish decision
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I grew up in LA
Already know why they split up Just wanted to comment
Shaq and Kobe are the greatest 1 2 punch of all time
They were the best duoin NBA history years ahead of many players out there and great one two punch but shaq was jealous and Kobe proved he could win without him and shaq won a title without Kobe
I remember Karl Malone had a crush on Kobe wife, i just want to put it out there
+Luqman Dahir I've heard lol
Luqman Dahir What the fuck
Karl Malone was a ladies man. Bad idea bringing him to LA at 38 years of age. Midlife crisis at its best.
What the hell?
And 13 year olds
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when i read this title i cried and i wished kobe won more rings
90 percent of the championship teams have had a Top 10 PG ( during that time ) except Kobe. Kobe has never had a true pg or playmaker for any of his championship's so to say Kobe was only a scorer is just ignorant
Sky High MJ Bulls didn't, Hakeem didn't, and the Spurs in 99 and 03 didn't
This is a straight up lie. Every title from 91-06 didn't have a "top ten PG" except 04 the ONLY teams with that (post merger) are the Bad Boy Pistons, Showtime Lakers, 08 Celtics and the Warriors.
He did have a true point. Derrick Fisher was a key contributor to their offense in 2008 to 2010 championship runs
@@jhines7649 fisher was not a true point guard 😭😭
Awesome video.
Thank you for making amazing contents! I love it when I learn a thing or two about the NBA, past, present or future. lol
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I give you props for this one...
Watching these old Dom vids has me feeling nostalgic
Best duo of all-time hands down
Bedcorn mj,pippen wtf are you talking about
Bedcorn Magic and Kareem
Rememba Kemba Kareem was still great, but he was old.
Logan Notarianni he wasn't that old. He joined magic in his early 30's
Lechoking Since 2003 pippen/mj wasnt a duel cuz mj was a ball hog. pippen best season without mj
R.I.P Kobe we love you!
Great video as usual bro
Yet another great video Dom2k! Extra brownie points for being a Celtics fan!
As a Lakers Fan since Kobe retired we have been a shit show and when Shaq and Kobe played together they made me a Laker Fan and when Shaq was traded I thought we would never win without him then came 2009 and 2010 then Kobe bieng old and injured all the time then came six straight years of failing to make it to the playoffs and signing LeBron just to fail bieng a fan of them has been hard hope things change
Bron won ya'll a championship lol
all shaq needed to do was work as hard as kobe and not be lazy
Kobe is all time top 5 in assists for the lakers... stfu ^
MrAVGNdude wow no way, a ball dominant player who played for a team for 20 years is top 5 in assists!! Anyway, if you watched this video you would know that he's not talking about passing when it comes to selfishness. He is referring to Kobe's inability to be a great teammate and put his personal goals behind that of the team. His selfishness is part of the reason for the split.
all kobe had to do was work hard as WADE! and he couldve made the playoffs after shaq left!
Sometimes personalities don’t match. What I would have LOVED to see is Kobe and someone like a Kevin Garnett, with intensity and drive to match Kobe. And Shaq would have been great with someone like Iverson, laid back until it’s time to go.
@@Reedstick Kobe's personal goals were winning. Nothing else.
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Can you do a video on John Wall? He always gets overlooked
Goodbye KOBE, Rest easy KING
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RIP Kobe!
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something i noticed look at how kobe puts on his sock at 2:49 ive never seen someone do that
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Kobe is a true Laker .. period
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The beginning made me think I was watching a GD'shiglights video lol
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You know, I could honestly see how after you’ve won three titles with somebody you aren’t as motivated to keep winning the same way.
Like for me if I beat somebody 3 games in a row at something I don’t try as hard after.
It’s not surprising that they wanted to see if they could win without each ither
also important to note SHAQ had alpha problems with penny
I've heard, gotta look into that.
Joshua James Was looking for someone to mention this. Penny was a beta and Shaq still had insecurities, especially when the Lil' Penny commercials aired. To publicly take shots at the guy who he wanted drafted simply on the basis that he was jealous due to the notoriety Penny had deservingly recieved says a lot about him. He tried vieling it under his "playing around" antics but that came off as petty, considering the guy was carrying his team and kept them competitive while Shaq was out.
I think the blow over that occurred in Orlando during that time wasn't able to happen in LA because of Kobe being an alpha as well. I love both players, flaws included, but after that 30 for 30 I started seeing Shaq a little differently, especially in regards to the duo break up.
Thanks, Dom. Great video. Too many people are biased. I'm glad you aren't one of them
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You forgot to mention during the rape case when Kobe got in the car . He said I should have paid like Shaq did . If true that would explain why he did not support him during it .
Kobe snitching on Karl Malone and Shaq most definitely caused huge problems.
Kobe going into a meeting and saying he would not say anything about Shaq in the media anymore and then leaving that meeting and going straight to the media to call Shaq fat and out of shape probably caused some issues as well.
Both players got petty, no doubt. Leaving things like what Kobe said about Shaq and Karl paying women to stay quiet out of this video hurts the credibility but not enough for me to hate the creator.
Taybizzness That story didn't break until after the split
christina cumba The video was about why they split up.
The snitching story broke when Shaq was already gone.
Not if you live in LA. It was major news the moment he said it.
Regardless, it was a major reason for Shaq not giving Kobe support during the trial.
that was after they already gave hiding shit and it was already out of control
Because they were both freaking egomaniacs
Still one of my favorite videos to this day
Yo bro keep up the great work. Really love your videos, very entertaining, and please don't change the into.
You pretty much nail this. You DO ask for other possible contributing factors. Here's one.The 2004 Finals. Sure Karl was out (injured); sure Payton season-long wouldn't accept being 3rd-4th fiddle like he should have; but the Lakers still should have beaten the Pistons. ALL they had to do was exactly what they did every series up until then: go INSIDE-OUT; go into Shaq virtually every time. Shaq would have either fouled Ben Wallace out or forced the Pistons to double-team him all game long. Either way, this would have allowed Kobe to go ballistic. I loved both of them; but Kobe a tiny bit more. But in THIS case, that Finals defeat, IMO, is ALL on Kobe. Now, I DO understand that Kobe's righteous frustrations with Shaq's lacsadaisical attitude towards his conditioning and all the other things you mentioned contributed to Kobe finally having enough of Shaq getting too much credit. So then, here's the next factor: If PJax has been a better personnel manager (or if Jerry West had still been around with the almost unlimited respect he had from both players) - what otherwise, in hindsight, seemed inevitable, their break-up - should have and could have EASILY been averted. All that really needed to be pointed out was that IF ONLY they co-operated together, they'd have extremely high odds to get to as many as 10 Finals with perhaps 8 Rings (with the first 4 fMVPs for Shaq; and the 2nd set of 4 fMVPs for Kobe). This would have come close to guaranteeing that the GOAT discussion would have been reduced down to: Shaq or Kobe for GOAT. What FOOLS!
Are you kidding me, Detroit's defense was about stopping everyone else except Shaq, pretty much what every team did before winning his rings. Game 1 of that series was perfect example of why that didn't work because once a number of Shaq's inside shots don't fall and the outside shooting faltered Detroit was in control. The key adjustment that Phil Jackson and the Lakers did not make in that series offensively was pushing up the tempo to prevent Detroit's 3/4 court presses and traps to slow the ball down to prevent Shaq from getting in position which prevented the Inside-Out game to the outside and mid range shooters. This is the very thing San Antonio did the next year to beat Detroit. It worked for the Lakers Game 2 for the key spurt that got the Lakers the win, it would have worked the entire series couple this with GPayton not excepting a bench role like he should he done here and not allowing Fisher to start the games which would have forced Chauncey Billups to play both ends which would have lowered his point production.
and I was just about to start homework...
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I take 69 AP classes if I never start on hw I'd sleep -96 hours each night yo
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These two have buried the hatchet. Kobe's gone on to say that Shaq was one of the most dominant big men ever. And Shaq has even gone on to say that He thinks Kobe is the greatest laker (which is really high praise considering he elevated Kobe over Kareem and magic) and that Kobe was better than Lebron. But you still gotta wonder what would have happened if Kobe and Shaq got along better during the 04 Finals and Malone didn't get hurt during the Playoffs.
Factz
Lakers should've traded shaq for Kevin Garnett when they had the chance
TJ The 90s KID They actually tried to trade Shaq to Dallas for dirk, but Mark Cuban refused that trade.
OH GOD THAT WOULD BE SCARY
dav238 No way was mark gonna give up dirk.
Because Shaq wasn't going to Minnesota.
Shaq would only play for 3 teams. Dallas, Miami or New Jersey.
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You make some damn good videos!