What is the Status of the SSPX | A Theological Breakdown (Fr. Jonathan Romanoski FSSP)
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This was the first FSSP explanation I have heard that didn't sound like a petty family feud. So I thank father for that. Our local FSSP priest did a talk at a weekend conference on attendance at SSPX and he relied on the fact that he has a document that shows he's officially under the bishop. Someone rose and asked the queation: "Does Fr. James Martin SJ have one of those?" The official canonical status, while ideal, in times of pervasive and rampant heresy merely shows canonical status. Nothing more. I wonder, if they had canon law in the Arian Crisis, how many of the Arian heretics would be able to present a document showing their "approved canonical status"? Probably all. St. Athanasius was exiled like 5 times from his diocese. I imagine he would not have been able to show his "Homes and Garden Stamp of Approval." My point is in times of crisis and rampant heresy (modernism) it's not so easy. I prefer to attend FSSP because of the nature of scandal alone. But I do prefer the SSPX priory here over the FSSP parish for personal reasons. As most trads, we just want the tradition and the TLM. I do not know a traditional Catholic in any capacity that will chide a person who prefers to go to SSPX. Don't know a one. I also reflect on the fact that without the SSPX there would be no FSSP. Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and the SSPX preserved tradition and the TLMduring the 1970-today. Despite their canonical status they saved tradition. Not arguing and I think father did a good fatherly approach to this topic. For that I tip my hat to him. But in times of crisis we are all doing our best. We the TLM ban comes down the pike I am curious to see what the FSSP will do. St. Athanasius, pray for us.
beautiful explanation
How about the heresies of the Novus Ordo church?
Such as?
Heresy in practice and not by text. Modernists know the best way to shift the Overton window is not by documents since 1% of the Church actually reads them. They do it by changing the practice. A change in practice is a change in how the Dogma/Doctrine is perceived. It is not coincidental that after Vatican II - purportedly nothing of doctrine was changed regarding the Mass - yet the practice changed. Today its rare to find reverence or anyone who truly believes (willing to die for) in the True Presence. It changed because they changed the Mass - how we DO the Faith!
In that note:
1. Approval of homosexuality both by failing to punish homosexuals and sex abusers in the clergy. McCarrick, Bernardino, Rupnik, James Martin, etc. and by blessing such unions. I know the document says we bless the.people and not the union - blah, blah, blah - distinction without a difference.
2. Approval of divorce and remarriage contra Jesus' words in the Gospel. Annulment process is a sham. Theoretically, I get it. In practice don't know a one that has not received a declaration of nullify when applied.
3. Creation of the new rite of the Mass. Does the Church have the right or command to create liturgy out of thin air and repress apostolic liturgy that has developed for 2000 years? I think the fruit is evident and undeniable.
@@justinreany1514 If I am orthodox in my Christian beliefs, but not in communion with the bishop of Rome. Can I even call myself a catholic. For all of church history to be catholic would explicitly imply that we're in communion with the bishop of Rome. The Holy See, where peter sits, the prince of the Apostles. Whose sea shall NEVER fall into heresy nor bind the whole church in error. (Defined in Vatican 1 and taught both explicitly and implicitly scripture, the church fathers and ecumenical councils). Anyone who says rome has fell into heresy is a lier and is not truly orthodox and doesnt hold to the tradintional catholic faith of our fathers and their own lol. Those who denie this vital dogma are outside the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. The Oriental Orthodox Churches, Assyrian Church of the East, Easteren orthdox churhes, protestants, old catholics, and sedevacantist. The sspx is similar case becuase they teach errors that have logical conclusions that tp lead sedevacantism, and eastern "orthodoxy". For example, the sspx believe that a ecumenical councel (vatican 2) can direct the church into error (propagation of the norvous ordo mass). However this a insult to the holy spirit who protects the church from error and heresy. Can the holy spirit fail at his job? Is Christ a lier who said the gates of hell will never prevail agaisnt the church (unit 1960s,lol) and prayed for peter (also applies to his successors) that his "faith may not fail". My answer is NO, God is aways right and faithful his church. What is your response though? For me I will trust the church in all things (that includes ALL ecumneical councels.) And I would steer clear away from those who steer division (sspx) for Holy see shall never fail me.
Spoiler alert:
He never answers the question.
Uh yes he definitely does
@@andym5995 ah no he doesn’t. He lays out parameters but is ambiguous in how he would apply it to the SSPX.
@@chicago618 “Let no one do anything connected to the church without the bishop.” “He who does anything without the bishop’s knowledge does in reality serve the devil.” You must have mission (“as the Father sent me, so I send you”). It’s not hard to infer the answer from this stuff. They do everything without the bishop, and have no canonical mission. Put 2 and 2 together.
And before you say they do acknowledge the local bishop, I present another quote from St Ignatius, from his letter to the Magnesians, chapter 4: “It is fitting, then, not only to be called Christians, but to be so in reality: *as some indeed give one the title of bishop, but do all things without him.* Now such persons seem to me to be not possessed of a good conscience, seeing they are not steadfastly gathered together according to the commandment.”
@@andym5995 oh so you admit he didn’t answer then. If you’re saying “put 2 and 2 together” then you concede my point that he didn’t answer the question he just laid the groundwork.
Thanks, Im glad we agree.
@@chicago618 I notice you have no response to his actual answer or to my answer above.
“Answering the question” doesn’t need to spell it out word for word. If by “he didn’t answer” you mean he didn’t say, “here is precisely how to apply what I am saying to the SSPX”, no he didn’t use those exact words, but if you can use some critical thinking and understand his implications, of course he answered it. I think perhaps you just need to apply some logic here. I think Father expects that we can understand what he is saying.
Does what he said not apply to the SSPX? If not, how does it not? Do you not understand his response?
I don't care if they are or not; I just want to go to Mass
Watch SSPX interview with John Salza.
Agree. If all you have is the SSPX then that's where you go.
@@justinreany1514But that’s almost never the case, at least in America. There are thousands of Catholic Churches in America
You should care. And if all you want is to go to Mass, why not go to the Novus Ordo?
People have a right to attend the Traditiinal Latin Mass. If your bishop is a douche and for some modernist nostalgia for the felt-banner and corduroy 60s and 70s and won't allow the TLM in his diocese you have every right to go to SSPX. I am not bothered by it. I will go sometimes to SSPX and sometimes to FSSP. I try to go to FSSP to avoid the ecclesial Karen's from crying all over themselves. But as I said, and as Quo Primum has said, the Roman Rite can never be repealed. B16 argued it never was and questioned whether a Pope could do such a thing. The Church created a new rite under Paul VI. It was promulgated by the Church so valid and licit but deficient in its authenticity, fittingness, and text. I think many of the faithful don't buy the "pray and obey" line of the hierarchy anymore given the Covid lock downs (abandonement) and ecclesial scandals going on. You want me at the New Pauline Rite - better look and sound like the Roman Rite (TLM). Otherwise - save it!