The card says "when you take damage" so that would occur during Zargon's turn if it's damage from a monster. Once per turn gives the ability to utilize that card essentially as a reaction. The "once per turn" looks to be the way they get around having to be overly specific within each card. At least that's my assumption.
we've been using the Monk for nearly 5 quests now (playing Rise of the Dread Moon with a new party of heroes, with KnightFall as the prelude). so far we've treated the water damage-nullifying style just like a healing spell or the Knight's Stalwart skill... you can use it the moment you take damage, which is most likely to occur on Zargon's turn (the debate over death saves means some people really only allow it with potions). the Monk can be killed on Zargon's turn simply by hitting him with two different attacks that reduce his BP to zero. after all, he can't use it twice while monsters are visible. The blazing soul thing I treat like the Lightning Bolt spell except it doesn't harm friendlies. pretty powerful, but you don't often get a chance to use it. on easier quests with fewer and weaker enemies the Monk will seem powerful but he'll also be frustrated he doesn't get to use his fancier attack styles as much, but he would really shine in the harder expansions. the gold he saves from not buying armor can be put towards potions and/or mercenaries, or given to other heroes who need it more.
I think once per turn means like a cycle of all players including Zargon. So if you used a wind attack your turn and now Zargon hits you that same round, you can’t use the water defense.
Good job pointing out all of the potential word/rules discrepancies. I know how I will rule those cards (prioritizing fun!). Good to hear all of the options.
I actually got an updated email saying I could see mine as soon as December 7th. I wasn't expecting it before Christmas. If I knew it was arriving before Christmas, I would of got another one as a gift. However, I understand they likely didn't expect to get it out this fast.
About Activation i would say it is intented like this: On you turn you "Activate" a Technique. It is not used yet. Once you actual use it , it is "used and exhausted". Activating a Technique is not exhausting it if you do not use it.
If I's purchase this set and use it in a game, I would likely modify the elemental style rule. Instead of having to exhaust all other styles before using Fire, I may allow suing ANY style as first, but then require the others to be used in a determined sequence. E.G.: Air has to be used directly after Water; Earth directly after Air; Fire directly after Earth. So, if I decide to use Fire as first style, the next style the monk uses would HAVE to be Water... Simply see no good reason to limit only Fire and think this would make it more interesting (and distinct from spell-casting)
The best example in my mind is the warlock cards. All of those are one use during that turn. I would be surprised if they allow the monk to be anything different than the warlock. It also wouldn't make sense to recharge the abilities after all enemies are gone if the abilities last more than a single round. If you could keep the abilities all game than why would you get them back? All spells are also instant and done in a single round with exception of rock skin. Even if an elemental ability is allowed to last longer than a single turn, I would have troubles accepting multiple elements to be used at same time.
Nice unboxing. Can't wait to get mine. But the German version will take probably a little longer as usual. Could be a fun character to play. Let's see how the monk will fit in the system. So far, I was a little sceptic to be honest.
So Twisting Torrent is somewhat contrary to the Elemental Style explanation card that says only 1 element technique can be used each turn... This seems to be the only technique that does it, so I'm willing to make it the one exception. All the techniques pretty much say when you can use it, so if we leave Twisting Torrent as the exception all other techniques should and will be used on a turn without storage. I see Ash reasoned around Speak to Stone that you can activate it on this turn but use it on another, NO! If you can't use any of them you're out of luck and you regain all Elemental Styles (if there are no monsters in line of sight). That's how I'd play at my table.
Hmm.. hard to tell if i like the mechanics of this hero. Waiting 4 turns before being able to use the bfg.. its rather long for most encounters which arent a room filled with badguys. The exploration skills are neat tho, makes the monk a versatile scout.
Dope. I apparently suck at picking where I buy my Heroquest New Releases from. Between Hasbro Pulse and Amazon I have literally picked the wrong site every time when it comes to who starts shipping the items first. I bought my Monk set from Hasbro this time because last time I bought the Elves set from Amazon and the people who ordered it through Hasbro got theirs first. Thx for the video sexy butt!
This happens to me every time (and apparently a lot of folks!) So, I order from at least two retailers anymore, then cancel whoever doesn't get it to me first. It's probably really bad behavior as a shopper, but heroquest is so inconsistently distributed across retailers, and I only do it with this brand >_
I'm curious. What's the 5 digit number in white at the bottom of the "Using Elemental Style" card there for? Is the Monk going to be limited to a set print run number? I've looked at other pictures I could find of this card online from different sets and while close to the number shown here it does appear they are different numbers. Anyone else notice this? Anyone heard anything from Hasbro/Avalon about this being limited to a certain print run number? Just don't want another "Guardian Knight" limited print run issue again.
You activate twisting torrent specifically when you take damage. If you set a trap off during your turn, you acrivate that and cancel it. If you get hit by a monster on zargon's turn, you activate it on zargon's turn and don't take damage. It doesn't make any sense at all to rule it that you activate it on youe turn and wait for the damage to happen, because you haven't taken damage so it's activation clause hasn't happened yet. It works the same as the knight's ability to block an attack for an adjacent ally. You do that when they take damage, not on your turn and wait for them to take damage. Now, the real broken part of that ability is that your elemental styles reset whenever there are no monsters in your line of sight. So if there are no monsters present and you trigger a trap, or jump down a hatch, or jump into a pit, you take zero damage and the ability immediately resets because there are no monsters present. Edit: thinking about it, it also trivializes cold damage from TFH. The real question i have now is whether or not mind point loss counts as damage, since the card doesn't specify body point loss.
Yeah, the explainer card is just terribly written. I believe that the intent is that when you expend a card outside of combat you don't recover it immediately, but have to wait until you encounter monsters, defeat those monsters, and only then 'at the end of the combat' you recover them. Which would allow for clever decisions like “do I spend Speak With Stone to find traps outside of combat, find a pit trap, jump it safe with Soaring Dragon, and then maybe even spend Twisting Torment to tank damage from a spear trap or something, and go into my next fight with Fire Element already unlocked, but without Damage Resistance, Extra Attack Dice or Multiattack! It's a great idea. BUT! They don't WORD THE F'ING EXPLAINER CARD RIGHT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THIS IS INTENDED PLAY. Basically, I imagine 90% of people are going to house-rule it that way, but they screwed up the card, because the AH staff just don't seem to be good at writing clearly explained and consistent rules.
You know, on additional thought, I feel like it HAS to be the way I put it above... Because seriously... what fight in HQ lasts for 4 rounds? It NEVER happens, if you can't keep spent cards outside of combat, you're literally never going to cast a Fire Element ability. Also I find it infuriating that the Monk gets such extremely powerful fire magic powers... while the Wizard is stuck using the massively nerfed USA versions of fire magic, which are so bad that my players literally never bother taking fire spells...
@josephpotter5766 my reading of it is that the fire ability is not supposed to be an all the time thing. Dealing damage to multiple monsters that cannot be defended against is absurdly powerful, nothing is stopping you from using the 3 styles in between fights and just deleting half of what's in a room without even giving them the chance to defend. I don't think it's supposed to work the way you're saying it has to just because of how powerful killing anything that has 2 wounds or less while crippling everything else can be. I wouldn't rule it like that, I'd just let them have the blanket damage reduction when outside of combat to make up for the fact that they never have more than 2-3 defense dice and will probably eat a lot of damage in combat.
@@josephpotter5766 I'll also say that while Fite magic isn't absurdly powerful, my group's wizard always picked fire first because it's cool until the elf got her own spells, and now that I have time magic I'll never take the wizard spells again. Sometimes people just go for flavor and not what's best. I can promise that if we let him take nothing but 3x fire magic, that's exactly what he would do.
@@dudemcfurgusson7179 100% legit perspectives. The only issue I would have with giving the monk unlimited out of combat damage resistance is that it just means that my group would just have the monk lead on every path and effectively make the dwarf even more obsolete, since traps literally do nothing to them. My wizard was just used to UK fire magic, which was much much stronger, but yeah, if you allowed multiple takes of the same spell they would load up with water *3 without hesitation. Many of the elf spells are also much more 'narative' and badly explained (Warp Wood anyone?). My groups tend to prefer a serious challenge, so I upstat a lot of the monsters and throw in harder boss encounters (I think I gave the Dragon at the end of Tomb of Eternal Darkness 12 Body Points lol), so the monks fire attacks, while strong, don't seem overpowered to me, honestly, about the right level, my complaint was that in basic HQ no fight lasts more than two or three turns, so no chance of them ever coming out.
Comment anything we like, ok! Whats your contact email? I couldn’t find it in the channel description or the previous clue video description. I left a comment there too, but i figured it got lost in the chain of comments. Apologies for my blindness if i missed it. I can pass it onto B3D if you haven’t talked to them yet.
I'll have to check into that. Often times I reuse descriptions as templates, so it may be that I used one that had my business email omitted. Apologies and thanks for bringing it to my attention! Anyways, my email is rewonderland at gmail dot com!
I do not think the missing * is a typo I think this character was designed to be played more as a style than a gender we have an armed and unarmed version that’s why the sculpts are so different one has a weapon and does not get the added attack die the other is bare fisted so the reminder is there
@@cjdurrant9999 no, that was just meant as a friendly joke. Sorry for the confusion. I'm not very funny. :-) I agree that typos are annoying in the situations. Hope you have a great day.
The water style is not really interpretable. You use it when you take damage. That can be either on your turn OR on zargons turn when being attacked. After use, as in, the damage is cancelled, the card is used and can not be used again. Not that hard to understand IMHO.
The card says "when you take damage" so that would occur during Zargon's turn if it's damage from a monster. Once per turn gives the ability to utilize that card essentially as a reaction. The "once per turn" looks to be the way they get around having to be overly specific within each card. At least that's my assumption.
we've been using the Monk for nearly 5 quests now (playing Rise of the Dread Moon with a new party of heroes, with KnightFall as the prelude). so far we've treated the water damage-nullifying style just like a healing spell or the Knight's Stalwart skill... you can use it the moment you take damage, which is most likely to occur on Zargon's turn (the debate over death saves means some people really only allow it with potions). the Monk can be killed on Zargon's turn simply by hitting him with two different attacks that reduce his BP to zero. after all, he can't use it twice while monsters are visible. The blazing soul thing I treat like the Lightning Bolt spell except it doesn't harm friendlies. pretty powerful, but you don't often get a chance to use it. on easier quests with fewer and weaker enemies the Monk will seem powerful but he'll also be frustrated he doesn't get to use his fancier attack styles as much, but he would really shine in the harder expansions. the gold he saves from not buying armor can be put towards potions and/or mercenaries, or given to other heroes who need it more.
Oh man is the Monk OP? Some of his powers seem almost too much haha
OMG! I was just bored at work (lunch now) and was looking for a Wandering Monk unboxing video! Thanks!
Jeff, this is your boss. Get back to work!
This all looks wonderful! I really hope they keep this level of packaging up for future expansions.
I think once per turn means like a cycle of all players including Zargon.
So if you used a wind attack your turn and now Zargon hits you that same round, you can’t use the water defense.
Wow, brilliant presentation with the box. That's much more impressive than the last two hero packs.
Good job pointing out all of the potential word/rules discrepancies. I know how I will rule those cards (prioritizing fun!). Good to hear all of the options.
I see your monk’s ‘burning spirit’ & raise you with stretchy neck dinosaur with it’s extended wrap around necks choke grip. 🦕
I actually got an updated email saying I could see mine as soon as December 7th. I wasn't expecting it before Christmas. If I knew it was arriving before Christmas, I would of got another one as a gift. However, I understand they likely didn't expect to get it out this fast.
Great unboxing!
Im getting mine Wednesday from Amazon
JUST GOT MINE TODAY....
The card says: slit the total movement. So you roll 2 dice and split the total the way you want
Good unboxing!
About Activation i would say it is intented like this: On you turn you "Activate" a Technique. It is not used yet. Once you actual use it , it is "used and exhausted". Activating a Technique is not exhausting it if you do not use it.
If I's purchase this set and use it in a game, I would likely modify the elemental style rule.
Instead of having to exhaust all other styles before using Fire, I may allow suing ANY style as first, but then require the others to be used in a determined sequence.
E.G.: Air has to be used directly after Water; Earth directly after Air; Fire directly after Earth.
So, if I decide to use Fire as first style, the next style the monk uses would HAVE to be Water...
Simply see no good reason to limit only Fire and think this would make it more interesting (and distinct from spell-casting)
The best example in my mind is the warlock cards. All of those are one use during that turn. I would be surprised if they allow the monk to be anything different than the warlock. It also wouldn't make sense to recharge the abilities after all enemies are gone if the abilities last more than a single round. If you could keep the abilities all game than why would you get them back? All spells are also instant and done in a single round with exception of rock skin. Even if an elemental ability is allowed to last longer than a single turn, I would have troubles accepting multiple elements to be used at same time.
O great unboxing …hope i have mine 15 January 😒 so curious what the arena play will be that comes with the ogre hord
The only time I had Burning Spirit charged up during a Kurgan hq stream he moved the monsters out of Los so I lost it. CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT
They last until your next turn
Great ty Ash!
Nice unboxing. Can't wait to get mine. But the German version will take probably a little longer as usual.
Could be a fun character to play. Let's see how the monk will fit in the system. So far, I was a little sceptic to be honest.
Burning Spirit is basically HeroQuest Kamehameha.
I'm so jelo... But Congrats, and thank you for sharing. Eventually Hasbro will ship me my two.
So Twisting Torrent is somewhat contrary to the Elemental Style explanation card that says only 1 element technique can be used each turn... This seems to be the only technique that does it, so I'm willing to make it the one exception. All the techniques pretty much say when you can use it, so if we leave Twisting Torrent as the exception all other techniques should and will be used on a turn without storage.
I see Ash reasoned around Speak to Stone that you can activate it on this turn but use it on another, NO! If you can't use any of them you're out of luck and you regain all Elemental Styles (if there are no monsters in line of sight). That's how I'd play at my table.
Definitely how I'd do it; I discussed buff lengths but I wouldn't allow it to last beyond the turn in which it was selected!
Ain't gonna lie, that insert is pretty nifty as well as the scroll; reminds me of the "feelies" that were included in various Infocom games.
Anything you like.
Hmm.. hard to tell if i like the mechanics of this hero. Waiting 4 turns before being able to use the bfg.. its rather long for most encounters which arent a room filled with badguys.
The exploration skills are neat tho, makes the monk a versatile scout.
Soon can't wait to be able to order it in the UK its just constantly showing as sold out 😢
Ordered mine from Pulse Uk in August.
Dope. I apparently suck at picking where I buy my Heroquest New Releases from. Between Hasbro Pulse and Amazon I have literally picked the wrong site every time when it comes to who starts shipping the items first. I bought my Monk set from Hasbro this time because last time I bought the Elves set from Amazon and the people who ordered it through Hasbro got theirs first. Thx for the video sexy butt!
This happens to me every time (and apparently a lot of folks!) So, I order from at least two retailers anymore, then cancel whoever doesn't get it to me first.
It's probably really bad behavior as a shopper, but heroquest is so inconsistently distributed across retailers, and I only do it with this brand >_
I'm curious. What's the 5 digit number in white at the bottom of the "Using Elemental Style" card there for? Is the Monk going to be limited to a set print run number? I've looked at other pictures I could find of this card online from different sets and while close to the number shown here it does appear they are different numbers. Anyone else notice this? Anyone heard anything from Hasbro/Avalon about this being limited to a certain print run number? Just don't want another "Guardian Knight" limited print run issue again.
This isn't a limited run, but a retail product. Not sure why the numbers at the bottom, though..
It would be great if they released a quest expansion with it. Enemies storyline etc would love to see Chinese dragon and Asian theme enemies
Indeed it would, specially because the Rogue and now the Monk pack doesn't have a great price/content rate, at least not as good as expansions do.
Crossover with ‘mysteries of old peking’ game.
You activate twisting torrent specifically when you take damage. If you set a trap off during your turn, you acrivate that and cancel it. If you get hit by a monster on zargon's turn, you activate it on zargon's turn and don't take damage.
It doesn't make any sense at all to rule it that you activate it on youe turn and wait for the damage to happen, because you haven't taken damage so it's activation clause hasn't happened yet.
It works the same as the knight's ability to block an attack for an adjacent ally. You do that when they take damage, not on your turn and wait for them to take damage.
Now, the real broken part of that ability is that your elemental styles reset whenever there are no monsters in your line of sight. So if there are no monsters present and you trigger a trap, or jump down a hatch, or jump into a pit, you take zero damage and the ability immediately resets because there are no monsters present.
Edit: thinking about it, it also trivializes cold damage from TFH. The real question i have now is whether or not mind point loss counts as damage, since the card doesn't specify body point loss.
Yeah, the explainer card is just terribly written. I believe that the intent is that when you expend a card outside of combat you don't recover it immediately, but have to wait until you encounter monsters, defeat those monsters, and only then 'at the end of the combat' you recover them. Which would allow for clever decisions like “do I spend Speak With Stone to find traps outside of combat, find a pit trap, jump it safe with Soaring Dragon, and then maybe even spend Twisting Torment to tank damage from a spear trap or something, and go into my next fight with Fire Element already unlocked, but without Damage Resistance, Extra Attack Dice or Multiattack! It's a great idea. BUT! They don't WORD THE F'ING EXPLAINER CARD RIGHT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THIS IS INTENDED PLAY.
Basically, I imagine 90% of people are going to house-rule it that way, but they screwed up the card, because the AH staff just don't seem to be good at writing clearly explained and consistent rules.
You know, on additional thought, I feel like it HAS to be the way I put it above... Because seriously... what fight in HQ lasts for 4 rounds? It NEVER happens, if you can't keep spent cards outside of combat, you're literally never going to cast a Fire Element ability. Also I find it infuriating that the Monk gets such extremely powerful fire magic powers... while the Wizard is stuck using the massively nerfed USA versions of fire magic, which are so bad that my players literally never bother taking fire spells...
@josephpotter5766 my reading of it is that the fire ability is not supposed to be an all the time thing. Dealing damage to multiple monsters that cannot be defended against is absurdly powerful, nothing is stopping you from using the 3 styles in between fights and just deleting half of what's in a room without even giving them the chance to defend.
I don't think it's supposed to work the way you're saying it has to just because of how powerful killing anything that has 2 wounds or less while crippling everything else can be.
I wouldn't rule it like that, I'd just let them have the blanket damage reduction when outside of combat to make up for the fact that they never have more than 2-3 defense dice and will probably eat a lot of damage in combat.
@@josephpotter5766 I'll also say that while Fite magic isn't absurdly powerful, my group's wizard always picked fire first because it's cool until the elf got her own spells, and now that I have time magic I'll never take the wizard spells again.
Sometimes people just go for flavor and not what's best. I can promise that if we let him take nothing but 3x fire magic, that's exactly what he would do.
@@dudemcfurgusson7179 100% legit perspectives. The only issue I would have with giving the monk unlimited out of combat damage resistance is that it just means that my group would just have the monk lead on every path and effectively make the dwarf even more obsolete, since traps literally do nothing to them.
My wizard was just used to UK fire magic, which was much much stronger, but yeah, if you allowed multiple takes of the same spell they would load up with water *3 without hesitation. Many of the elf spells are also much more 'narative' and badly explained (Warp Wood anyone?).
My groups tend to prefer a serious challenge, so I upstat a lot of the monsters and throw in harder boss encounters (I think I gave the Dragon at the end of Tomb of Eternal Darkness 12 Body Points lol), so the monks fire attacks, while strong, don't seem overpowered to me, honestly, about the right level, my complaint was that in basic HQ no fight lasts more than two or three turns, so no chance of them ever coming out.
Comment anything we like, ok!
Whats your contact email?
I couldn’t find it in the channel description or the previous clue video description. I left a comment there too, but i figured it got lost in the chain of comments. Apologies for my blindness if i missed it. I can pass it onto B3D if you haven’t talked to them yet.
I'll have to check into that. Often times I reuse descriptions as templates, so it may be that I used one that had my business email omitted. Apologies and thanks for bringing it to my attention! Anyways, my email is rewonderland at gmail dot com!
I do not think the missing * is a typo I think this character was designed to be played more as a style than a gender we have an armed and unarmed version that’s why the sculpts are so different one has a weapon and does not get the added attack die the other is bare fisted so the reminder is there
Yes, but neither one starts with a weapon
The typo is annoying
You should definitely boycott then.
@@Caniswalensis why is there more?
@@cjdurrant9999 no, that was just meant as a friendly joke. Sorry for the confusion. I'm not very funny. :-) I agree that typos are annoying in the situations.
Hope you have a great day.
I'm so gutted nowhere is selling this still 🙄
The water style is not really interpretable. You use it when you take damage. That can be either on your turn OR on zargons turn when being attacked. After use, as in, the damage is cancelled, the card is used and can not be used again. Not that hard to understand IMHO.
Damn, that new art style really sucks. Generic and soulless, like a thousand bland mobile games.
Male and female presenting.....FFS.