Imagine saying “no one in this court has had to endure what we had to endure” in a room full of victims’ families. The utter audacity and lack of humanity.
The judge can't predetermine what happened until after the case is over. Thanks wiuld be biased.. I saw somewhere in the comments. It was an intentional prod to get the judge to mis step and seem biased. Something to do with mistrial
@@akkibajaj705 they are public defenders, they make fractions of what a private attorney makes to begin with, and i doubt acting like a petulant child during trial is going to earn them a bonus.
How does he have that many public defenders tho .. especially after what he did? I'd think one would be allotted to him, per Miranda rights. Asshole has a panel full.. who's paying these people to flip off the judge? Taxes? Please tell me I've gone wrong somewhere and it's not like that... please...
@@A_Ducky i think he has that many because the case is a high profile one, hes gonna lose the case no matter what and public defenders dont get paid for losing cases. likely his assigned defenders know they wont get a payout and are getting frustrated or are attempting to cause enough chaos to file for a mistrial and try again pleaing something else besides insanity, because that plea is whats going to make them lose. immature petty greedy lawyers all around that table. its a waste of the victims and the courtrooms time
@@cocothedino_2901 They do still get paid for losing a case. In cases like this the verdict is often a given, but the suspect is still entitled to legal representation.
@@cocothedino_2901 Thanks so much for the explanation. Now I just have one more question. If they're not getting paid, wouldn't it be in their favor to at least gain some exposure, clout.. from appearing on all these cameras - in a good light rather than the bad (finger flip)? I don't see why they're tanking their careers.. I mean who's gonna hire them with this publicly available? And everyone needs to eat.. so I'd think it would have been their "15 minutes in limelight" to potentially build a career off of. Yet this is what they choose to do, lol.. I just can't reconcile it in my head no matter how I turn it. I'm looking for logic though..
@@A_Ducky i saw amber heards defense team act similarly dense and rude as they were losing but i think they were privately hired. so i think its because of their ego, even if a case is open and shut, once you start losing its a blow to their ego and they lash out and attack in response
@@WayneMercy I mean realistically it does on the jury. If they see you acting like children and not taking the court seriously, well, you might be finding yourself on the opposite end of a lawsuit from your client. And if not that, you'll probably find yourself not having a job soon
@@igm4437 either way a defense attorney’s job is to advocate as best they can for their client. Obviously in this case we know the defendant committed the shooting, but think about other situations where someone may actually be innocent; they shouldn’t be subjected to less than a fair trial simply due to what they are being accused of. In order for the system to work and everyone to be given due process, it is imperative that we have a uniform system where everyone is entitled to a fair trial with a competent lawyer regardless of the accused crimes
“No one in this court room has had to endure what we have had to endure.” MY BROTHER IN CHRIST YOURE DEFENDING A SCHOOL SHOOTER WHO MURDERED ACTUAL CHILDREN. They have had their lives destroyed. you are INSANE.
Yeah, considering some of the parents of those who died are likely in the courtroom, I'm pretty sure said families had to endure far worse than this clunky legal team.
He wants the judge to make a comment about just that. That would instantly become a mistrial. If the judge acknowledges what he did as fact before the verdict, the lawyers will say the judge is biased and has a pre-determined agenda. This is an absolute last ditch effort, and the risk of being disbarred is worth it to the lawyers, because if they actually got a mistrial, every school shooter will want these lawyers thinking they too will get a mistrial. Unfortunately for them, the judge is well aware of what they are trying to do. Although, it almost seemed like she was getting very close to slipping up there for a second. So, She needed to take a breath to clear her head.
@@frogfinance4605 And if the police have enough evidence that a murderer would need a public defender because no normal lawyer would touch the case with a 10 ft pole then there shouldn't be a trial to begin because it's obvious he is guilty and should be put to death immediately.
@@frogfinance4605 Oh neat, their kids were threatened with murder. Remind me again what the shooter did to the kids in Parkland? Threatened them, right? That's all? Maybe you should stop talking.
One of the victims parents said “ karma is you eventually having to explain to your kids who you defended” and they somehow flipped it into threats on their family 💀💀💀💀
@@freddysw Yeah these clowns very clearly aren't your upper echelon lawyer. The big bucks go to corporate lawyers working for humungous companies, usually. They get paid a lot to pursue frivolous litigation on brand images, intellectual property, it's usually easy pickings. This legal team are dumb as bricks, entirely clueless public defenders who are stuck in the unfavourable position of defending a school shooter with hard evidence proving he definitely comitted the crime. They have no chance of clearing his sentence; not exactly a good job. Not only have they been given a garbage job, but they conducted it so poorly, so disrespectfully, and so disgustingly, that they managed to come across as just as vile as their client. They put every egg in the one basket of just being an insufferable asshole in the hopes of getting the Judge to lose her temper so that they could go for a mistrial, they failed at doing that, and in the process they've ruined their reputation forever. They aren't "elite" by a long shot.
@@freddysw He could be delusional enough to think he deserves more respect, but you can't lie to your own back account or social status. He sucks and deep down I'm sure he knows he sucks. Don't worry friend, after this I'm fairly sure that legal team isn't going to get many interested clients.
"Go. To the back of the room. NOW." I actually can't believe how much this sounds like an elementary school teacher talking to a student, this is absolutely absurd
@@Amira_Phoenixnah she’s a fucking child in a grown woman’s body. I hate Judges. Only god can judge. Humans are too flawed to be Judges. She brought personal bias into it the whole way through and kept getting personally offended as soon as anyone brought up something to relate to her.
its pretty glaringly obvious this is what they're trying to do. This isn't incompetence, its intentional. Playing the rules insanely to be victorious. Its like the scene in Ender's Game when he (spoilers) realizes its not simulated battles, but actual battles. Even though it was a conceivable path to victory, it would come at such a great cost he would not normally had done so. They are doing things that they, without the framework of the rules to achieve the victory, would not ever behave like. Its for winning, not for truth, justice, or progress for the affected people.
But he already plead guilty. They are annoyed with the victim statements because the victims were really upset with the defense team. The defense team already did their job, he didn't get death sentence.
@Fundamentally Unorthodox their is, it's called politics and how our government is run. With the Internet anyone can publish or share the meta of any given thing instantly.
The bar should remove that lady attorney's credentials , she is a danger to the community. Any attorney flipping the bird at a judge while they are speaking is horrendous behavior.
Have you not seen the Amber Heard trial not the most recent one but when she went out to get the restraining order that got opened up for public. The Lawyer for her was an absolute clown. To the point the opposing lawyers were just out of control laughing at his stupidity and lack of self awareness.
Like the middle finger thing at the start I thought could of just been a mistake that the camera got a shot of and everyone misinterpreted it but when she smiled and laughed with Nikolas, they both knew what she was doing
Judge you don't understand they talked shit about my children.. CHILDREN. children are the future and must be protected....... So ahhhhh what did my client do again?
I mean, someone has to be obligated to defend this person. I don't think it is right to bring up their children because of that, not defending anything else they are doing here though.
The judge took this way out of context. Her excusing him completely proved his whole point. He wasn’t talking about the judges children but they were talking about his except he didn’t have a gavel so he couldn’t kick them out. The kid can rot but everyone gets the right to an attorney.
Hard to believe this is a trial about someone murdering children. Hopefully he has his eyes spooned out in prison anyway. But this pathetic theatre takes away from the tragedy, and is a mockery to the families. I don’t know how any system can call this “justice”.
Yeah I can't imagine what that would do to you, well wishes for your friend. I'm sorry that she has to use something just to live out a normal life now.
Ive only heard one claim that a parent said they wished their family got nightmares or something.. And when it comes to that who the fck cares when their kid(s) are *gone* The Lawers are just as disgustingly narcissistic as their client here.
It was a comment made by the father of Alex Schatner (spelling?) who bashed the defense team for their conduct during the trial, laughing with the shooter, he said "he must have a very high tolerance for murder. God only know what you are showing your children [on TV] at home" and another off handed comment from another parent that I cannot remember.
imagine going to law school for years and years, becoming a judge and probably being voted in or appointed to a court room because of your credentials; just for you to have to babysit upset defense attorneys, that act like toddlers, in your own court room. this judge is really a unit. props to her
@@7eddiii dude you NEVER say anything against a Judge unless you enjoy having your ass literally and figuratively handed to you. There are plenty of cases where sentencing wqs made worse because someone had said something or was disrespectful to the judge.
She lacked the basic mental capacity to understand that her kids weren't being mentioned. He simply stated that if her kids were brought up then she would have noticed and that he noticed his kids being brought up. Very unprofessional on her side though it might be on his too.
@@7eddiii yeah smartass, she is the judge in HER court, the layer is basically her bitch in that room. That's how authority works, you don't have to agree with it, but the clown in that case was the layer for even thinking he could get away with saying what he said.
The complaint about children was after the verdict was reached and the parents and loved ones of the deceased/injured were giving victim statements, it wasn't even about the case they were just upset over what the victims were saying.
@@TheDirtysouthfan I don’t think that’s what they were trying to say. I’m pretty sure they were making a point about how horrific the murderers crimes were that he was seriously considered for the death penalty, and yet they were still laughing with him.
@@TheDirtysouthfan that honestly makes it so much worse. Absolutely disgusting. That lawyer should be disbarred and hell even thrown in prison too. You gonna act like a heartless murderer, you gonna be treated like one.
I'm glad they're video recording all these major court cases now because it exposes a lot of the holes in our judicial system. The depths of moral corruption, incompetence, and unprofessionalism these types of defense attorneys will go to in a clear cut case is despicable. There are plenty of defense attorneys that don't try and make a mockery of the court system like this. I'm glad these fame seeking, immoral, and unethical humans are being exposed.
And yet. It's not just defense attorneys. As it's literally their job to do anything humanly possible to get their client a fair judgement or even freedom. It's when the prosecutor commits crimes to prosecute someone unlawfully or that's innocent. When it really gets crazy. Like Binger in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial
the shot with all of them sitting at the table laughing and giggling heavily reminded me of kids back in high school who would purposefully be awful to teachers just for the hell of it
Nah she didn't handle this correctly. The judge isn't supposed to just ignore when a lawyer does something improper, they HAVE to shut it down. It's her job to maintain a proper court room. She acknowledges that some of what was said was improper so the correct thing is for her to give a warning rather than just go, "Oh don't bring attention to it." Then if the defending judge keeps complaining THAT'S when she should start scolding him for not letting it go (unless it keeps happening in which case she would have to do more to stop the other side from continuing to act out of line in her court room).
@@ickyfist she's not ignoring it, she has to tiptoe around the legal system like there are landmines. Because every republican attorney and judge within a 700 mile radius will descend upon the judge and scream "MISTRIAL. THE JUDGE ISN'T IMPARTIAL". You gotta understand these maga people and major taylor green defend these mass shooters, and would like to give them internships. It's insanity. School shooters have more rights than a child in an abusing relationship finally defending herself.
@@ey3z4ya For this particular thing yes, absolutely I do. She inarguably did her job wrong. She even punished one of the defense lawyers for saying to her exactly the thing the defense lawyers were trying to get her to punish the prosecutors for. She fucked up.
The crazy part is all this happened after the verdict was reached. They already did everything they wanted to get a lifetime in prison verdict instead of being put to death so they shouldn't still be acting buddy buddy with this fucking killer.
I’ve seen judges throw people in jail for contempt of court for next to nothing. I’m dumbfounded that the judge hasn’t taken that route with a lawyer flipping off the courtroom.
"no one I'm this court room had to endure what we had to" BRO you really did not just say that? While people are there about their children that were murdered. This was a whole circus
Now there is nothing wrong with representing a monster. We have a right to due process in this country, and someone has to do it. But the way they went about it is so far outside the realm of acceptable behavior in a courtroom that I can't quite process it fully.
No the verdict was already given out by that point. Other than the middle finger all the other antics were during the Victim Impact statements from the loved ones of the deceased. They were just disliking what the victims were saying.
@@weaponizedglitter69 Why would they want to mistrial a case which they got the best possible outcome? It makes no sense. Cruz already plead guilty, this was just a sentencing hearing, you trying to say they wanted to get ANOTHER trial where they would either get the same result or the death penalty? The verdict was already handed down when these comments were being made; they had no impact on the outcome of the case. The only thing that happened prior to the verdict was the Middle Finger incident. This wasn't some malicious attempt to game the justice system; they were just upset over being called out so much.
It's strange how when a person steals some bread to feed their kids a public defender will do next to nothing to help and watch them get the biggest sentence, yet for this child murderer they seem to work extra hard and are even willing to debase themselves in public.
It wasn't just the chick with the glasses that flipped the courtroom off, the lady to her left also did it right before she did. Regardless of why they did it, whether it fits into the "aim to get a mistrial" conspiracy or not is irrelevant; the fact that they're able to do that, after hearing and seeing detailed evidence (such as how Peter Wang's head basically exploded after being shot by the guy they're joking around with) is disgusting, but not really surprising.
@@thatdamncrow9197 Considering this is in the US, who knows. In europe I´d say yeah, they´re gonna lose whatever credentials they have, but not necessarily in this nutjob hole of a country.
@@ainulvr9808 you do realize that us has one of the most strict legal systems in the world According to the american bar association “A pattern of repeated offenses, even ones of minor significance when considered separately, can indicate indifference to legal obligation.” Professional misconduct is the most common reason for attorney discipline. Lawyers can also be disciplined for conduct in their personal lives.
@@thatdamncrow9197 That only applies theoretically, if it´s so strict why can US-courts become such a clown fiesta? And this is not a one-and-done example, this shit happens every so often.
1% of people are psychopaths, 1% are sociopaths, 1% are narcissists, these people are everywhere and are not rare. On the other hand, many of them are not bad people.
@@userequaltoNull Being a psychopath or a sociopath doesn't automatically make you a bad person. Their brains are literally wired differently, you can't help what you're born. Plenty of sociopaths and psychopaths are aware of their condition and how different they are compared to most, and are still functioning members of society.
i had a friend get caught up in this shooting and every day i’m so grateful that he survived unscathed (physically speaking - mentally, i can’t be sure, but he’s doing alright for himself these days). i find this display appalling, i cannot imagine how devastating it would be for those who lost someone to these evil actions. seeing how much of a joke it’s being made into. i hope these people never find work in a courtroom or even in law again
The lawyers got upset because the victims' families said some shit they didn't like. They really got upset about what parents who had lost their children had to say. Embarrassing.
Something is deeply wrong in a trial when a lawyer gets chewed out like a little kid who keeps pissing on the carpet deliberately because he thinks it's funny.
Just wanted to clear up, he plead guilty, the defense team was only there to make sure he got life in prison and not the death penalty. This was during the victim impact statements given by the survivors and parents/spouses/families of the ones who were murdered.
The way that lawyer laughed with him is like if he was being defended for stealing a milk jug. He murdered 17 kids. I don't know how you can actually have any inclination to joke with him.
Those "defense lawyers" should get disbarred, in court when you're on the side of the OBVIOUS AND UNDENIABLE schoolshooter, you should not give the finger and laugh with the MASS MURDERER!
There has been placed where I think it's good they get trouble or disbarred, but here it is NOT EVEN IN QUESTION, remove them from any legal job where they have to be in public to do their job
Oh, they're Floridians, well, then they suffer from the collective illness of Florida i guess... Maybe that's just how they learn to do law there or they're influenced by something they ingested or smoked or whatever... Now I guess they can't be held responsible for their own actions, like come on, they're from Florida... (Obviously a joke)
How anyone can be laughing after brutally murdering lots of people is insane in and of itself, but the lawyer laughing with him and being an absolute disgrace is ACTUAL insanity... The lawyer next to her also smiles, like are they psychopaths and have no empathy, completely lost their mind or high on something because that is just out of reality kind of stuff, like if this happened in a movie i would be that's NEVER gonna happen... And this is most likely not the first time they have done or will do crap like this, and even setting aside these "human" pieces of trash, before court got filmed and showed online more, I'm sure stuff like this has happened SO MUCH! Honestly insanity, the lies in US news and other crap like this in their laws or in the USA society is mindbogglingly crazy to me, it's like up there with not allowing a woman outside without a man, because they know the news don't have to prove what they say, they know all this and in any other kind of country close to or similar kind of society, i feel like it would be absolutely cracked down on... Maybe it's just cause I hear more of USA, but honestly if anything like the laws and the things you can get away with in the USA happens in other countries, those countries better be in shambles or its just not okay
He really said "no one in this courtroom has gone through what we went through" Uhh because getting reprimanded is the same as having your child slaughtered by the person they're joking with.
This seems like a last resort strategy used in an unwinnable case, antagonize the judge to the brink of legality in order to cause her to make a mistake in frustration, therefore having a mistrial.
@@fizz113 i already found her, just wanted to look her up more n what cases she had been in or just if this is a new behaviour or if she does this shit for years
This behavior would get a regular lawyer in a regular case debarred. That she’s doing this in a case where she’s representing a guy who OBJECTIVELY killed 17 kids is disgusting.
I’m sorry to tell you this but there is absolutely nothing about even the most ruthless prison that is punishment enough for what he did. He will have free food for the rest of his life, free shelter, a free bed to sleep on. He will never have to work again, he will be able to watch television, exercise, go outside, read whatever he wants, and he will probably even get computer time. He will also get more time to write his praises for Lucifer in his hemorrhoid blood on the cell walls, and attack more prison guards (yes he did those things).
On one hand I'd love to see the shooter get fried in the chair like a rat in the back of the KFC but on the other hand I want him to spend the next 60 years staring at grey concrete and thinking about the life he lost. He'll never have a career, a wife, kids, a family, friends. He's just going to rot in prison. Deserved
Hopefully he gets put into GenPop. Not even many criminals like it when you mess with kids. Specially if they keep up their inflated ego like in the courtroom
Makes me so mad that the judge is under fire for allowing the parents to go after the the defense for the middle finger and claiming they're the biggest victims in the room
The job of an attourney when defending a case like this should be stricktly to make sure the defendant has a fair legal trial. What these people are doing is shameful.
I wish the judge would've kept a list of every offense from the defense and once the killer was sentenced she surprised them with their own charges lol
This judge is incredible! Talk about asserting dominance!! Those lawyers entered the lions den, and are lucky to be leaving with their careers still alive.
@@7eddiii lol. declare a mistrial after the sentence has already been handed down? That's the funniest shit I've seen in this comments section. The defense is literally mad that the victims of the shooting were mad at them. That's what this is about. Go sit down somewhere.
How did they do that? The guy simply stated that she would have noticed the issue if her children were brought up. The guy did not threaten her children like the prosecution did so. For context Charlie got this completely wrong the prosecutor looked at the defense team and said they're children should be ashamed of them, then during witness statements the witnesses attacked the defense team directly saying they should never practice again.
@@aytony4090 no one threatened children, a fucking parent who had their child murdered by the guy you wanna defend said “You obviously have a very high tolerance for murder. God knows what you’re showing your kids on television,” no one was threatened
@@GalahadLives "Guy I want to defend". Did the defense team murder her children. Damn, I didn't know. Well I guess I will apologize then. I really didn't know that, how is that guy allowed to still be out and walking about?
Imagine laughing and joking with someone who murdered kids in their own school school and caused so much fear and grief from anyone who goes to school or has someone they know in school 😐
He got a unanimous life sentence with no chance of parole and minimal chance of him able to make money while hes in. Also the testimonies from the parents of the deceased will borderline make u cry
Yeah lawyers acting like this isn’t too uncommon. Besides flipping off the courtroom and laughing with a school shooter. But in my couple of times being to court i saw lawyers getting into it with the judge.
JCP has a really good analysis video on this guy's interrogation when he was pretending to be insane saying things like "I see demons!" And "An evil voice told me to shoot them"
I watched the entire trial, the entire thing available live I watched, it was horrific. It moved me to tears many times. They had people tell these parents with photos of their children's heads being blown open and the carnage it did to their bodies/brain. Highly, highly detailed retellings of the conditions of their bodies when given an autopsy. This back and forth happened because one of the fathers of the victims (he's an attorney) went off on them for representing the shooter ect. Its since downward spiralled. Its alleged the defence lawyers are doing this to rile up the judge so they can get a new trial.
Trial watching culture and trend as a whole is probably one of the better things that happened in this decade. People are unironically interested in upholding the justice system all over the western world. The only bad thing I can see in coming from this is politicisation of courts.
The fact that a trial is going like this when it's about the brutal and horrific deaths of innocent children disgusts me. Like humans are the most terrifying creatures on the planet
“Judge may I have a brief recess?” Me when the teacher says that one bad apple ruined the bunch so we can’t go outside, but I’ve been good all week long:
The thing that charlie is saying with the lawyers laughing with the shooter is that, "The lawyers have to defend him, but they don't have to like him" His lawyers are showing that they a being buddy buddy with a school shooter and enjoying his company which is concerning
Nobody should be defending this. It doesn't matter if they don't want to be there or they're stressed. There is an expectation that they act professional in a court of law. If you don't understand that, you have no business being an adult, let alone commenting on someone's professional conduct. These people were making a mockery of the trial, and for what? To get a mistrial, at best? They are legally and morally required to defend the defendant to the best of their ability... ethically. But intentionally aiming for a mistrial by trying to get the judge mad goes beyond responsibilities as a lawyer and, at best, is trying to benefit from a high profile case. Even if they did get a mistrial, it would just start the process over again. There was no winning here, so the least they could do was have some respect in such a terrible case. But no, they were laughing with the *school shooter* like he was their friend. This right here is the reason so many people think lawyers are terrible people, and that defence lawyers are self-serving scumbags.
The most I saw was people saying "the judge was so unprofessional for yelling and claiming they threatened her children" which is such an obvious contrarian double standard given the context.
What is the point of the defendant wanting a mistrial? I could see the lawyers wanting to get more money, but why would the shooter? As you said, it's just delaying the inevitable. More time in county jail? Is that even that much of a benefit to them?
Like with any school shooting the trial should be whether or not the shooter leaves the courthouse to prison for life, or put immediately into death row. Any legal team disrespecting the judge should be kicked out and their licences revoked and their client receives maximum penalty. Especially when it's all recorded.
He's already gotten his sentence, 1, the penalty phase of trial is over, that happened a few weeks back now. He got life in prison. 2. That idea is ridiculous because of how easily it'd be misused. 3rd. given that legal representation is a right of the client and can be assigned if you cannot get it yourself. how on EARTH can you expect a client to be held accountable for their lawyers behavior like that. plenty of people already get screwed by bad public defenders let alone if they could just get punished by proxy because of bad representation in RULE. not everyone on trial is guilty, thats the whole point of a trial. fck.
@Lol Lol Two reasons; its the trial wrap up, the verdict is the clippable part for news coverage that is typically followed, but there's also the core thing that you can even hear going on in the clip. The victims have a chance to speak to the defendant in what's called a "victim impact" statement. While many of these people were people who testified on the stand, an impact statement isnt being offered for the jury in their decision so its done after the fact. What the defense attorney is upset about is the fact that in these impact statements they're issuing threats to their families specifically because the defendant got life instead of the death penalty. The judge and prosecutor didn't have a hand in them, though, but there's other mess in the trial going on that's led to a generally hostile environment between the two parties (state, defense) and the judge.
@@alexmatthews3419 You're right the dude was only caught blowing a few kids brains out. He could totally be innocent, in a school with a weapon and the blood of literal CHILDREN on his hands. Even if guilty we should always be lenient because the dude could just be mentally unwell. Boy those deads kids certainly feel better knowing their killer got a fair trial, than open and shut case and sent to death row.
@@NeoBluereaper It's one highly publicized trial where the defendant in question was unquestionably wrong and plead guilty. That's my high school. I was already out of it when it occurred but I grew up in broward county. If we'd still lived in Florida my younger brother literally would have been in that building when it occurred. I'm not challenging the horror of what took place there. but thats not what I'm talking about. There are literally hundreds of so-called open and shut cases where because of lazy police work or shoddy prosecution the wrong person goes up on the stand. And yes. I believe in our judicial system. It's important that even the worst individual is treated fairly under the law, otherwise the law itself is tarnished. Otherwise people who are perceived to have committed something heinous but may not have are in danger; you can't just assume it'll only be used in these sorts of cases where there is no doubt, if a tool is created it will be used. We are not a dictatorship and judges don't get to decide a mans fate on their own.
The “venom” the defense was talking about was rhetoric from the parents/victim statements. They kept hounding on the defense for the unprofessionalism.
I mean, it would be a hard choice being in that situation. Choose to continue living and have that sliver of hope you may somehow get out, or openly choose to die and have a date put on your head. NGL if I was in a situation like that, even if I knew it was hopeless, I don't think I'd be strong enough to face my own demise like that. Luckily I don't kill people though so it's a reality I'll never face but still, theoretically putting yourself in that situation is such a dilemma.
Prison isn't that bad. Sure, it isn't as good as being free, or even fun at all really, but it isn't constant torture or anything like that. You can still watch some tv for a little bit, read some books, do workmanship tasks, write books, draw art, etc. In fact, I would say that prison is actually a step up in quality of life compared to about half my childhood was. Mostly people would take an imperfect and uncomfortable and slightly boring and dangerous life over just straight up being dead.
I think the bigger thing that I haven’t seen anyone talk about was the fact that he got life with no parole instead of the death penalty after the prosecutors said they would pursue that in the beginning of the case at the end of day Cruz’s defense team did their job because he got to keep his life
Also to everyone saying “oh they want a mistrial so their acting out” no they do not. Nikolas Cruz already plead guilty. This trial was to see if he gets the death penalty or life, he got life and they got the result they wanted. A mistrial would only give the prosecution another chance at death. I agree it’s horrible what they have done in court but please look up what happened before spouting out things like mistrial and a new trial when that is the last thing they want.
It reminds me a bit of Meta Court in Horizon Worlds. It's usually full of kids yelling at each other, and brings a new meaning to the term "kangaroo court".
She really hit with that “never in my 20 years of teaching has a sub left a note this bad” energy, fucking hard
I am convinced that before she became a judge she was an elementary/middle school teacher. 100%.
Brodie I just dropped a fackin STINKER brodie long asf wreaking
@Skulgan yo brodie I just dropped a bloody stinker my toilet bowl is painted red and WREAKS I see the stinking bl9ody mucus floating
@@tonyvelasquez6776 u good? 😭
Buwawahahahahaha yes! Can't blame her either!
Imagine saying “no one in this court has had to endure what we had to endure” in a room full of victims’ families. The utter audacity and lack of humanity.
More like stupidity. Unfortunately people assume you need to be smart to be a lawyer. This is so far from true.
if complete tone deafness and insecurity had a baby, and hired pathological low IQ as a nurture nanny describes BOTH these lawyers
The judge can't predetermine what happened until after the case is over. Thanks wiuld be biased..
I saw somewhere in the comments. It was an intentional prod to get the judge to mis step and seem biased.
Something to do with mistrial
@@mikeyj.philly or maybe he only cares about making money ? Like most people
@@akkibajaj705 they are public defenders, they make fractions of what a private attorney makes to begin with, and i doubt acting like a petulant child during trial is going to earn them a bonus.
“Your honor, the survivors of my client’s mass shooting have been SUPER mean to him about it 😡”
How does he have that many public defenders tho .. especially after what he did? I'd think one would be allotted to him, per Miranda rights. Asshole has a panel full.. who's paying these people to flip off the judge? Taxes? Please tell me I've gone wrong somewhere and it's not like that... please...
@@A_Ducky i think he has that many because the case is a high profile one, hes gonna lose the case no matter what and public defenders dont get paid for losing cases. likely his assigned defenders know they wont get a payout and are getting frustrated or are attempting to cause enough chaos to file for a mistrial and try again pleaing something else besides insanity, because that plea is whats going to make them lose. immature petty greedy lawyers all around that table. its a waste of the victims and the courtrooms time
@@cocothedino_2901 They do still get paid for losing a case. In cases like this the verdict is often a given, but the suspect is still entitled to legal representation.
@@cocothedino_2901
Thanks so much for the explanation. Now I just have one more question. If they're not getting paid, wouldn't it be in their favor to at least gain some exposure, clout.. from appearing on all these cameras - in a good light rather than the bad (finger flip)? I don't see why they're tanking their careers.. I mean who's gonna hire them with this publicly available? And everyone needs to eat.. so I'd think it would have been their "15 minutes in limelight" to potentially build a career off of. Yet this is what they choose to do, lol.. I just can't reconcile it in my head no matter how I turn it. I'm looking for logic though..
@@A_Ducky i saw amber heards defense team act similarly dense and rude as they were losing but i think they were privately hired. so i think its because of their ego, even if a case is open and shut, once you start losing its a blow to their ego and they lash out and attack in response
The fact this man killed 17 people and the lawyers are acting like this, it’s unbelievable. They’re probably never getting into a courtroom again
With the way they were acting theres probably a good chance they'll end up in a court room again, just not as a lawyer.
To be fair, What a client did shouldn’t have a bearing on how their lawyer acts or behaves.
@@WayneMercy it absolutely should. This isn’t a trial over a speeding ticket, this is a trial over 17 deceased children
@@WayneMercy I mean realistically it does on the jury. If they see you acting like children and not taking the court seriously, well, you might be finding yourself on the opposite end of a lawsuit from your client. And if not that, you'll probably find yourself not having a job soon
@@igm4437 either way a defense attorney’s job is to advocate as best they can for their client. Obviously in this case we know the defendant committed the shooting, but think about other situations where someone may actually be innocent; they shouldn’t be subjected to less than a fair trial simply due to what they are being accused of. In order for the system to work and everyone to be given due process, it is imperative that we have a uniform system where everyone is entitled to a fair trial with a competent lawyer regardless of the accused crimes
“No one in this court room has had to endure what we have had to endure.”
MY BROTHER IN CHRIST YOURE DEFENDING A SCHOOL SHOOTER WHO MURDERED ACTUAL CHILDREN.
They have had their lives destroyed. you are INSANE.
Yeah, considering some of the parents of those who died are likely in the courtroom, I'm pretty sure said families had to endure far worse than this clunky legal team.
He wants the judge to make a comment about just that. That would instantly become a mistrial. If the judge acknowledges what he did as fact before the verdict, the lawyers will say the judge is biased and has a pre-determined agenda.
This is an absolute last ditch effort, and the risk of being disbarred is worth it to the lawyers, because if they actually got a mistrial, every school shooter will want these lawyers thinking they too will get a mistrial.
Unfortunately for them, the judge is well aware of what they are trying to do. Although, it almost seemed like she was getting very close to slipping up there for a second. So, She needed to take a breath to clear her head.
They are doing there job. What they are speaking of is the dismissal of concerns by the judge
@@frogfinance4605 And if the police have enough evidence that a murderer would need a public defender because no normal lawyer would touch the case with a 10 ft pole then there shouldn't be a trial to begin because it's obvious he is guilty and should be put to death immediately.
@@frogfinance4605 Oh neat, their kids were threatened with murder. Remind me again what the shooter did to the kids in Parkland? Threatened them, right? That's all? Maybe you should stop talking.
One of the victims parents said “ karma is you eventually having to explain to your kids who you defended” and they somehow flipped it into threats on their family 💀💀💀💀
Because he a member of the elites and should be treated with respect
@@freddysw Yeah these clowns very clearly aren't your upper echelon lawyer. The big bucks go to corporate lawyers working for humungous companies, usually. They get paid a lot to pursue frivolous litigation on brand images, intellectual property, it's usually easy pickings. This legal team are dumb as bricks, entirely clueless public defenders who are stuck in the unfavourable position of defending a school shooter with hard evidence proving he definitely comitted the crime. They have no chance of clearing his sentence; not exactly a good job. Not only have they been given a garbage job, but they conducted it so poorly, so disrespectfully, and so disgustingly, that they managed to come across as just as vile as their client. They put every egg in the one basket of just being an insufferable asshole in the hopes of getting the Judge to lose her temper so that they could go for a mistrial, they failed at doing that, and in the process they've ruined their reputation forever. They aren't "elite" by a long shot.
@@jontyonopko He thinks he is a member of the elite not me
@@freddysw He could be delusional enough to think he deserves more respect, but you can't lie to your own back account or social status. He sucks and deep down I'm sure he knows he sucks. Don't worry friend, after this I'm fairly sure that legal team isn't going to get many interested clients.
That parent is stupid. Everyone is entitled to a lawyer
"Go. To the back of the room. NOW."
I actually can't believe how much this sounds like an elementary school teacher talking to a student, this is absolutely absurd
The way she treated them was absolutely fucking hilarious she fucking told them
She's a legend
Man childs who made it to their elder years still using the same pathetic tricks are a huge disappointment to life
The shooter is triggered and pulls a semiautomatic
@@Amira_Phoenixnah she’s a fucking child in a grown woman’s body. I hate Judges. Only god can judge. Humans are too flawed to be Judges. She brought personal bias into it the whole way through and kept getting personally offended as soon as anyone brought up something to relate to her.
The fact that they’re referring to the judge as “judge” instead of “your honor” tells you all you need to know about these lawyers
There's some speculation that the parkland shooter's legal team is doing this on purpose to declare a mistrial.
That's exactly what I was thinking
its pretty glaringly obvious this is what they're trying to do. This isn't incompetence, its intentional.
Playing the rules insanely to be victorious. Its like the scene in Ender's Game when he (spoilers) realizes its not simulated battles, but actual battles. Even though it was a conceivable path to victory, it would come at such a great cost he would not normally had done so.
They are doing things that they, without the framework of the rules to achieve the victory, would not ever behave like. Its for winning, not for truth, justice, or progress for the affected people.
But he already plead guilty. They are annoyed with the victim statements because the victims were really upset with the defense team. The defense team already did their job, he didn't get death sentence.
@Fundamentally Unorthodox well its not like it rewards them
Considering this strategy almost never works when used like this
@Fundamentally Unorthodox their is, it's called politics and how our government is run. With the Internet anyone can publish or share the meta of any given thing instantly.
The bar should remove that lady attorney's credentials , she is a danger to the community.
Any attorney flipping the bird at a judge while they are speaking is horrendous behavior.
Straight out of better call Saul
You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery?
@@gnarhesh5527 even Saul wouldn't dare do that
@@athena5573 o yes he would and he would win the case while he does it
@@thegodhoward8037 He'd maybe flip off the prosecution
his legal team plays the insanity card way better than the shooter did in his own police interrogation
He deserves a Razzie for that acting performance...
If they’re this awful in a public trial imagine the things they do in private
Have you not seen the Amber Heard trial not the most recent one but when she went out to get the restraining order that got opened up for public. The Lawyer for her was an absolute clown. To the point the opposing lawyers were just out of control laughing at his stupidity and lack of self awareness.
Like the middle finger thing at the start I thought could of just been a mistake that the camera got a shot of and everyone misinterpreted it but when she smiled and laughed with Nikolas, they both knew what she was doing
@@gaydonaldtrump super nice people don’t exist in their field of work.
@@NeoBluereaperguess her legal team didn’t change much since then.
Unless they're seeking negative attention? Some part of me thinks that people like this thrive on being this stubborn and obnoxious
Lawyer: “Please do not dismiss me 😢”
Judge: “You’ve been dismissed”
Lawyer: “:Agony:”
Bro really walked in like “👋🏽🤓 ummm recess????”
I just can’t get over the fact that they are upset about their children being brought up yet they’re defending someone who killed 17 of them
Judge you don't understand they talked shit about my children.. CHILDREN. children are the future and must be protected....... So ahhhhh what did my client do again?
I mean, someone has to be obligated to defend this person. I don't think it is right to bring up their children because of that, not defending anything else they are doing here though.
Stop shaming public defenders for representing criminals in court. The criminals have a constitutional right to an attorney so somebody HAS to do it
The judge took this way out of context. Her excusing him completely proved his whole point. He wasn’t talking about the judges children but they were talking about his except he didn’t have a gavel so he couldn’t kick them out. The kid can rot but everyone gets the right to an attorney.
@@sgt.brownie5392 its not simply that theyre defending them, its that they dont listen to the judge and it seems like they dont know how a court works
God. The amount of times the Judge has said "Go sit down." and they didn't.
10:15 "No one in this courtroom had to endure what we endured here today."
-A Lawyer for the defense, whose client committed a school shooting.
Hard to believe this is a trial about someone murdering children. Hopefully he has his eyes spooned out in prison anyway. But this pathetic theatre takes away from the tragedy, and is a mockery to the families. I don’t know how any system can call this “justice”.
@@SlappoLS Damn I agree, this makes me fucking sick. Fellow parents please go hug your kids
It’s really a sad case. My friend was in the parkland shooting. Led her deep into addiction. This man really ruined so many lives.
Well wishes for your friend. ❤
I’m so sorry to hear that. I hope your friend gets the help she needs. Such a tragedy
Yeah I can't imagine what that would do to you, well wishes for your friend. I'm sorry that she has to use something just to live out a normal life now.
Boo boo😢😢😢still a junkie
I listened to every single victim statement and no one threatened any of the attorneys kids.
Ive only heard one claim that a parent said they wished their family got nightmares or something..
And when it comes to that who the fck cares when their kid(s) are *gone*
The Lawers are just as disgustingly narcissistic as their client here.
To be fair, the defense attorney didn’t threaten her kids, either (not that I have any respect for these particular defense attorneys)
@@DocBree13 exactly what i was thinking but i think the judge probably wanted an excuse to get rid of em i suppose
@@DocBree13 I think mentioning her kids was super inappropriate, she's the judge.
It was a comment made by the father of Alex Schatner (spelling?) who bashed the defense team for their conduct during the trial, laughing with the shooter, he said "he must have a very high tolerance for murder. God only know what you are showing your children [on TV] at home" and another off handed comment from another parent that I cannot remember.
imagine going to law school for years and years, becoming a judge and probably being voted in or appointed to a court room because of your credentials; just for you to have to babysit upset defense attorneys, that act like toddlers, in your own court room. this judge is really a unit. props to her
God bless the judge, man. She really had to deal with literal children
@@7eddiii dude you NEVER say anything against a Judge unless you enjoy having your ass literally and figuratively handed to you. There are plenty of cases where sentencing wqs made worse because someone had said something or was disrespectful to the judge.
@@7eddiii damn how biased of her getting defensive once a school shooter’s defense team brings up her children such disrespect to the system!
She lacked the basic mental capacity to understand that her kids weren't being mentioned. He simply stated that if her kids were brought up then she would have noticed and that he noticed his kids being brought up. Very unprofessional on her side though it might be on his too.
@@7eddiii yeah smartass, she is the judge in HER court, the layer is basically her bitch in that room. That's how authority works, you don't have to agree with it, but the clown in that case was the layer for even thinking he could get away with saying what he said.
@@7eddiii let me guess? a ‘facts over feelings' guy?
I don’t know how someone can act like that when the DEATH PENALTY was a possibility
@House Mouse Main the good ending
@House Mouse Main She can't say that, you can't have a sentence in this way, is illegal
The complaint about children was after the verdict was reached and the parents and loved ones of the deceased/injured were giving victim statements, it wasn't even about the case they were just upset over what the victims were saying.
@@TheDirtysouthfan I don’t think that’s what they were trying to say. I’m pretty sure they were making a point about how horrific the murderers crimes were that he was seriously considered for the death penalty, and yet they were still laughing with him.
@@TheDirtysouthfan that honestly makes it so much worse. Absolutely disgusting. That lawyer should be disbarred and hell even thrown in prison too. You gonna act like a heartless murderer, you gonna be treated like one.
I'm glad they're video recording all these major court cases now because it exposes a lot of the holes in our judicial system. The depths of moral corruption, incompetence, and unprofessionalism these types of defense attorneys will go to in a clear cut case is despicable. There are plenty of defense attorneys that don't try and make a mockery of the court system like this. I'm glad these fame seeking, immoral, and unethical humans are being exposed.
They’re seeking a mistrial bröther lol they’re trying to rile up the judge or parents so much that something happens to justify a mistrial
@@clamcrewcarclub6017 thankfully the judge is incredible
I think Charlie agrees.
... and its insanely entertaining
And yet. It's not just defense attorneys. As it's literally their job to do anything humanly possible to get their client a fair judgement or even freedom. It's when the prosecutor commits crimes to prosecute someone unlawfully or that's innocent. When it really gets crazy. Like Binger in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial
the shot with all of them sitting at the table laughing and giggling heavily reminded me of kids back in high school who would purposefully be awful to teachers just for the hell of it
That judge is fucking awesome. I love watching her make these grown adults look like the children that they mentally are
Nah she didn't handle this correctly. The judge isn't supposed to just ignore when a lawyer does something improper, they HAVE to shut it down. It's her job to maintain a proper court room. She acknowledges that some of what was said was improper so the correct thing is for her to give a warning rather than just go, "Oh don't bring attention to it."
Then if the defending judge keeps complaining THAT'S when she should start scolding him for not letting it go (unless it keeps happening in which case she would have to do more to stop the other side from continuing to act out of line in her court room).
besides nepotism, how in the world did these people finish law school
@@ickyfist she's not ignoring it, she has to tiptoe around the legal system like there are landmines. Because every republican attorney and judge within a 700 mile radius will descend upon the judge and scream "MISTRIAL. THE JUDGE ISN'T IMPARTIAL". You gotta understand these maga people and major taylor green defend these mass shooters, and would like to give them internships. It's insanity. School shooters have more rights than a child in an abusing relationship finally defending herself.
@@ickyfist bro thinks he knows more than the judge lol
@@ey3z4ya For this particular thing yes, absolutely I do. She inarguably did her job wrong. She even punished one of the defense lawyers for saying to her exactly the thing the defense lawyers were trying to get her to punish the prosecutors for. She fucked up.
The crazy part is all this happened after the verdict was reached. They already did everything they wanted to get a lifetime in prison verdict instead of being put to death so they shouldn't still be acting buddy buddy with this fucking killer.
I’ve seen judges throw people in jail for contempt of court for next to nothing. I’m dumbfounded that the judge hasn’t taken that route with a lawyer flipping off the courtroom.
This is an extremely sensitive case that can not be declared a mistrial by any means. She is being professional because she has to.
Because that's what they wanted to happen and she knew it , why not let them make further fools of them selves
"no one I'm this court room had to endure what we had to" BRO you really did not just say that? While people are there about their children that were murdered. This was a whole circus
Now there is nothing wrong with representing a monster. We have a right to due process in this country, and someone has to do it.
But the way they went about it is so far outside the realm of acceptable behavior in a courtroom that I can't quite process it fully.
^^^^
Sadly, a lot of these civil rights lawyers are extremely evil people.
The way they calmly and smugly provoke her in the worst ways is ..... Utterly malignant. Revolting.
When I was in elementary school and they said “This is all is to prepare you for being an adult” I didn’t know how literal they were being
These lawyers are trying so hard to have a mistrial it's embarrassing.
No the verdict was already given out by that point. Other than the middle finger all the other antics were during the Victim Impact statements from the loved ones of the deceased. They were just disliking what the victims were saying.
Not to mention acting like an asshole isn't grounds for a mistrial.
@@coachmcguirk6297 you’re right, however (from my understanding) should the judge retaliate because of them acting like assholes it can be mistried
@@TheDirtysouthfan no they attempted a mistrial the whole case.
@@weaponizedglitter69 Why would they want to mistrial a case which they got the best possible outcome? It makes no sense. Cruz already plead guilty, this was just a sentencing hearing, you trying to say they wanted to get ANOTHER trial where they would either get the same result or the death penalty?
The verdict was already handed down when these comments were being made; they had no impact on the outcome of the case. The only thing that happened prior to the verdict was the Middle Finger incident.
This wasn't some malicious attempt to game the justice system; they were just upset over being called out so much.
The fact that the judge has to repeat herself several times is insane
I'm so glad that chick who did the middle finger is under investigation. Her or someone else but those clowns are under investigation.
It's strange how when a person steals some bread to feed their kids a public defender will do next to nothing to help and watch them get the biggest sentence, yet for this child murderer they seem to work extra hard and are even willing to debase themselves in public.
reason: Imagine how much street cred (not really "street") you will get if you manage to pull it off
It’s like a middle school teacher trying to discipline 6th graders
@House Mouse Main what
@House Mouse Main this ain’t no action movie
@House Mouse Main what the fuck are you talking about?
I don't think even 6th graders are this immature
It wasn't just the chick with the glasses that flipped the courtroom off, the lady to her left also did it right before she did.
Regardless of why they did it, whether it fits into the "aim to get a mistrial" conspiracy or not is irrelevant; the fact that they're able to do that, after hearing and seeing detailed evidence (such as how Peter Wang's head basically exploded after being shot by the guy they're joking around with) is disgusting, but not really surprising.
Well i mean of course they can physically do that
But after the trial is over they might be in deep shit
This is just proof that the justice system is flawed. Always become your own judge and jury because they aint gonna give justice
@@thatdamncrow9197 Considering this is in the US, who knows. In europe I´d say yeah, they´re gonna lose whatever credentials they have, but not necessarily in this nutjob hole of a country.
@@ainulvr9808 you do realize that us has one of the most strict legal systems in the world
According to the american bar association “A pattern of repeated offenses, even ones of minor significance when considered separately, can indicate indifference to legal obligation.”
Professional misconduct is the most common reason for attorney discipline. Lawyers can also be disciplined for conduct in their personal lives.
@@thatdamncrow9197 That only applies theoretically, if it´s so strict why can US-courts become such a clown fiesta? And this is not a one-and-done example, this shit happens every so often.
His defense team are outrageous. How did so many sociopaths end up working together in one place?
They're lawyers thats how
They like to travel in pods
1% of people are psychopaths, 1% are sociopaths, 1% are narcissists, these people are everywhere and are not rare.
On the other hand, many of them are not bad people.
@@informitas0117 they are *all* bad people, it's just that most of them don't do massive damage to society at large.
@@userequaltoNull Being a psychopath or a sociopath doesn't automatically make you a bad person. Their brains are literally wired differently, you can't help what you're born. Plenty of sociopaths and psychopaths are aware of their condition and how different they are compared to most, and are still functioning members of society.
“Can we have a recess”
“No”
Uhhh can we have a recess “
“No”
“I understand, but can we have a recess”
i had a friend get caught up in this shooting and every day i’m so grateful that he survived unscathed (physically speaking - mentally, i can’t be sure, but he’s doing alright for himself these days). i find this display appalling, i cannot imagine how devastating it would be for those who lost someone to these evil actions. seeing how much of a joke it’s being made into. i hope these people never find work in a courtroom or even in law again
The lawyers got upset because the victims' families said some shit they didn't like. They really got upset about what parents who had lost their children had to say. Embarrassing.
“May I have a brief recess?”
It’s giving me “Can we have class outside?” Vibes
Something is deeply wrong in a trial when a lawyer gets chewed out like a little kid who keeps pissing on the carpet deliberately because he thinks it's funny.
Just wanted to clear up, he plead guilty, the defense team was only there to make sure he got life in prison and not the death penalty.
This was during the victim impact statements given by the survivors and parents/spouses/families of the ones who were murdered.
The way that lawyer laughed with him is like if he was being defended for stealing a milk jug. He murdered 17 kids. I don't know how you can actually have any inclination to joke with him.
Those "defense lawyers" should get disbarred, in court when you're on the side of the OBVIOUS AND UNDENIABLE schoolshooter, you should not give the finger and laugh with the MASS MURDERER!
There has been placed where I think it's good they get trouble or disbarred, but here it is NOT EVEN IN QUESTION, remove them from any legal job where they have to be in public to do their job
Oh, they're Floridians, well, then they suffer from the collective illness of Florida i guess... Maybe that's just how they learn to do law there or they're influenced by something they ingested or smoked or whatever... Now I guess they can't be held responsible for their own actions, like come on, they're from Florida... (Obviously a joke)
How anyone can be laughing after brutally murdering lots of people is insane in and of itself, but the lawyer laughing with him and being an absolute disgrace is ACTUAL insanity... The lawyer next to her also smiles, like are they psychopaths and have no empathy, completely lost their mind or high on something because that is just out of reality kind of stuff, like if this happened in a movie i would be that's NEVER gonna happen...
And this is most likely not the first time they have done or will do crap like this, and even setting aside these "human" pieces of trash, before court got filmed and showed online more, I'm sure stuff like this has happened SO MUCH!
Honestly insanity, the lies in US news and other crap like this in their laws or in the USA society is mindbogglingly crazy to me, it's like up there with not allowing a woman outside without a man, because they know the news don't have to prove what they say, they know all this and in any other kind of country close to or similar kind of society, i feel like it would be absolutely cracked down on...
Maybe it's just cause I hear more of USA, but honestly if anything like the laws and the things you can get away with in the USA happens in other countries, those countries better be in shambles or its just not okay
@@DKTeddyBear "like are they psychopaths and have no empathy?"
My man they are lawyers
Not holding guy 1 in contempt is probably GOAT behavior. Most judges I know would've had him arrested on sight
Frankly speaking, I would YEET them too.
He really said "no one in this courtroom has gone through what we went through"
Uhh because getting reprimanded is the same as having your child slaughtered by the person they're joking with.
This seems like a last resort strategy used in an unwinnable case, antagonize the judge to the brink of legality in order to cause her to make a mistake in frustration, therefore having a mistrial.
In their defense tho, angering the judge to the point they can declare a mis-trial is quite literally the best outcome they could possibly hope for.
Imagine setting fire to your entire social life over a literal monster wearing human skin.
How hard is it to just be professionals?
The attorney is being investigated for flipping the bird.
What’s her name??
@@tweenytwinkies I'm not going to say because I don't want people to hound her.
@@fizz113 i already found her, just wanted to look her up more n what cases she had been in or just if this is a new behaviour or if she does this shit for years
@@tweenytwinkies whats her name
This behavior would get a regular lawyer in a regular case debarred. That she’s doing this in a case where she’s representing a guy who OBJECTIVELY killed 17 kids is disgusting.
I imagine the whole defense team crams into their clown car and honks away after
You'd think lawyers would be on their best behavior knowing this is being recorded live
Life with no parole sounds 100x worse than a death penalty
That’s my opinion. Imagine the absolute hell of knowing you have no hope. And your in legit shithole prison
I’m sorry to tell you this but there is absolutely nothing about even the most ruthless prison that is punishment enough for what he did. He will have free food for the rest of his life, free shelter, a free bed to sleep on. He will never have to work again, he will be able to watch television, exercise, go outside, read whatever he wants, and he will probably even get computer time. He will also get more time to write his praises for Lucifer in his hemorrhoid blood on the cell walls, and attack more prison guards (yes he did those things).
On one hand I'd love to see the shooter get fried in the chair like a rat in the back of the KFC but on the other hand I want him to spend the next 60 years staring at grey concrete and thinking about the life he lost. He'll never have a career, a wife, kids, a family, friends. He's just going to rot in prison. Deserved
Hopefully he gets put into GenPop. Not even many criminals like it when you mess with kids. Specially if they keep up their inflated ego like in the courtroom
@@deadwalkin12345 no way will they but him in with everyone else, most likely will be placed with all the other child murderers and child rapists
This case makes me so angry
Makes me so mad that the judge is under fire for allowing the parents to go after the the defense for the middle finger and claiming they're the biggest victims in the room
The job of an attourney when defending a case like this should be stricktly to make sure the defendant has a fair legal trial. What these people are doing is shameful.
I wish the judge would've kept a list of every offense from the defense and once the killer was sentenced she surprised them with their own charges lol
This judge is incredible! Talk about asserting dominance!! Those lawyers entered the lions den, and are lucky to be leaving with their careers still alive.
@@7eddiii nah, it's a professional setting. If it doesn't pertain to the case, a person's family should not be discussed.
@@7eddiii lol. declare a mistrial after the sentence has already been handed down? That's the funniest shit I've seen in this comments section.
The defense is literally mad that the victims of the shooting were mad at them. That's what this is about. Go sit down somewhere.
For now.
@@7eddiii shit take there kid
7:38 So the defense team is gonna do exactly what they're blaming the survivors families, TO THE JUDGE?? LOL She shut that bullshit RIGHT down 🙌
How did they do that? The guy simply stated that she would have noticed the issue if her children were brought up. The guy did not threaten her children like the prosecution did so.
For context Charlie got this completely wrong the prosecutor looked at the defense team and said they're children should be ashamed of them, then during witness statements the witnesses attacked the defense team directly saying they should never practice again.
@@aytony4090 no one threatened children, a fucking parent who had their child murdered by the guy you wanna defend said “You obviously have a very high tolerance for murder. God knows what you’re showing your kids on television,” no one was threatened
@@GalahadLives "Guy I want to defend". Did the defense team murder her children. Damn, I didn't know. Well I guess I will apologize then.
I really didn't know that, how is that guy allowed to still be out and walking about?
@@aytony4090 and the comments made to the defense team were 100% warranted. You people defending this are so unbelievably weird
@@fort809 Nice liking your only comment 👍 Maybe give an actual point to knock at my argument instead of going, "Durr, dey deserved it"
Imagine laughing and joking with someone who murdered kids in their own school school and caused so much fear and grief from anyone who goes to school or has someone they know in school 😐
It’s people so profoundly used to life without consequences that they act like children when they actually get backlash.
Just like a teacher telling a child to sit down😂
This is literally the same energy as a parent scolding their kid
All the defense lawyers have main character energy but are literally nothing more than the villain's sidekicks
He got a unanimous life sentence with no chance of parole and minimal chance of him able to make money while hes in. Also the testimonies from the parents of the deceased will borderline make u cry
Yeah lawyers acting like this isn’t too uncommon. Besides flipping off the courtroom and laughing with a school shooter. But in my couple of times being to court i saw lawyers getting into it with the judge.
"please do not summarily dismiss me :("
"i am summarily dismissing you."
JCP has a really good analysis video on this guy's interrogation when he was pretending to be insane saying things like "I see demons!" And "An evil voice told me to shoot them"
i love jim can't pswim (Jk jk) his video is really good though it's so ridiculous how he was pretending fr
@@waltawite I love the sheer number of times he's able to roast him in one video with such class
They really just let anybody who passes a test become a lawyer. That’s crazy
I watched the entire trial, the entire thing available live I watched, it was horrific. It moved me to tears many times. They had people tell these parents with photos of their children's heads being blown open and the carnage it did to their bodies/brain. Highly, highly detailed retellings of the conditions of their bodies when given an autopsy. This back and forth happened because one of the fathers of the victims (he's an attorney) went off on them for representing the shooter ect. Its since downward spiralled. Its alleged the defence lawyers are doing this to rile up the judge so they can get a new trial.
The guy killed 17 kids and didn't get a death sentence? This is insane.
Trial watching culture and trend as a whole is probably one of the better things that happened in this decade. People are unironically interested in upholding the justice system all over the western world. The only bad thing I can see in coming from this is politicisation of courts.
I'm pretty sure they were always politicized, but this will probably make it worse.
The fact that a trial is going like this when it's about the brutal and horrific deaths of innocent children disgusts me. Like humans are the most terrifying creatures on the planet
“Judge may I have a brief recess?”
Me when the teacher says that one bad apple ruined the bunch so we can’t go outside, but I’ve been good all week long:
This has been a wild year for public court cases: depp vs heard, darrell brooks, alex jones, the parkland shooter.
And all where the good guys won, too! Beautiful!
“Judge, I asked to go sidebar on this matter…” Okay. What do you want, a cookie?
The thing that charlie is saying with the lawyers laughing with the shooter is that, "The lawyers have to defend him, but they don't have to like him" His lawyers are showing that they a being buddy buddy with a school shooter and enjoying his company which is concerning
all i gained from watching this trial was a serious respect for the judge. she was so patient, i don’t know how though lol. better person than me.
Nobody should be defending this. It doesn't matter if they don't want to be there or they're stressed. There is an expectation that they act professional in a court of law. If you don't understand that, you have no business being an adult, let alone commenting on someone's professional conduct. These people were making a mockery of the trial, and for what? To get a mistrial, at best? They are legally and morally required to defend the defendant to the best of their ability... ethically. But intentionally aiming for a mistrial by trying to get the judge mad goes beyond responsibilities as a lawyer and, at best, is trying to benefit from a high profile case. Even if they did get a mistrial, it would just start the process over again. There was no winning here, so the least they could do was have some respect in such a terrible case. But no, they were laughing with the *school shooter* like he was their friend. This right here is the reason so many people think lawyers are terrible people, and that defence lawyers are self-serving scumbags.
people _think_ lawyers are terrible people? i thought that was empirically proven
The most I saw was people saying "the judge was so unprofessional for yelling and claiming they threatened her children" which is such an obvious contrarian double standard given the context.
What is the point of the defendant wanting a mistrial? I could see the lawyers wanting to get more money, but why would the shooter? As you said, it's just delaying the inevitable. More time in county jail? Is that even that much of a benefit to them?
@@stevem.o.1185 well, the death penalty is something you would want to appeal if you lost. So that's the reason...
Those 'lawyers' shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a courtroom again, unless they are being prosecuted. It's disgusting.
“Can I have some ice cream?”
Bruh I’m deadddd 💀
Like with any school shooting the trial should be whether or not the shooter leaves the courthouse to prison for life, or put immediately into death row. Any legal team disrespecting the judge should be kicked out and their licences revoked and their client receives maximum penalty. Especially when it's all recorded.
He's already gotten his sentence, 1, the penalty phase of trial is over, that happened a few weeks back now. He got life in prison. 2. That idea is ridiculous because of how easily it'd be misused. 3rd. given that legal representation is a right of the client and can be assigned if you cannot get it yourself. how on EARTH can you expect a client to be held accountable for their lawyers behavior like that. plenty of people already get screwed by bad public defenders let alone if they could just get punished by proxy because of bad representation in RULE. not everyone on trial is guilty, thats the whole point of a trial. fck.
@Lol Lol Two reasons; its the trial wrap up, the verdict is the clippable part for news coverage that is typically followed, but there's also the core thing that you can even hear going on in the clip. The victims have a chance to speak to the defendant in what's called a "victim impact" statement. While many of these people were people who testified on the stand, an impact statement isnt being offered for the jury in their decision so its done after the fact. What the defense attorney is upset about is the fact that in these impact statements they're issuing threats to their families specifically because the defendant got life instead of the death penalty. The judge and prosecutor didn't have a hand in them, though, but there's other mess in the trial going on that's led to a generally hostile environment between the two parties (state, defense) and the judge.
@@alexmatthews3419 You're right the dude was only caught blowing a few kids brains out. He could totally be innocent, in a school with a weapon and the blood of literal CHILDREN on his hands. Even if guilty we should always be lenient because the dude could just be mentally unwell. Boy those deads kids certainly feel better knowing their killer got a fair trial, than open and shut case and sent to death row.
@@NeoBluereaper It's one highly publicized trial where the defendant in question was unquestionably wrong and plead guilty. That's my high school. I was already out of it when it occurred but I grew up in broward county. If we'd still lived in Florida my younger brother literally would have been in that building when it occurred. I'm not challenging the horror of what took place there.
but thats not what I'm talking about. There are literally hundreds of so-called open and shut cases where because of lazy police work or shoddy prosecution the wrong person goes up on the stand. And yes. I believe in our judicial system. It's important that even the worst individual is treated fairly under the law, otherwise the law itself is tarnished. Otherwise people who are perceived to have committed something heinous but may not have are in danger; you can't just assume it'll only be used in these sorts of cases where there is no doubt, if a tool is created it will be used. We are not a dictatorship and judges don't get to decide a mans fate on their own.
@@alexmatthews3419 Nah, gtfo here with that Batman logic there is no sensible reason to let mass murderers live lmfao.
The “venom” the defense was talking about was rhetoric from the parents/victim statements. They kept hounding on the defense for the unprofessionalism.
“No one in this court has had to endure what we had to endure.”
Imagine if this case happened in 1878. Those lawyers would swing
I dont understand why anyone would take life in prison with no chance for parole over death.
I guess the thought is that if prison life isn’t good enough for you then you can just end yourself but that would be difficult.
I mean, it would be a hard choice being in that situation. Choose to continue living and have that sliver of hope you may somehow get out, or openly choose to die and have a date put on your head. NGL if I was in a situation like that, even if I knew it was hopeless, I don't think I'd be strong enough to face my own demise like that. Luckily I don't kill people though so it's a reality I'll never face but still, theoretically putting yourself in that situation is such a dilemma.
Prison isn't that bad. Sure, it isn't as good as being free, or even fun at all really, but it isn't constant torture or anything like that. You can still watch some tv for a little bit, read some books, do workmanship tasks, write books, draw art, etc. In fact, I would say that prison is actually a step up in quality of life compared to about half my childhood was. Mostly people would take an imperfect and uncomfortable and slightly boring and dangerous life over just straight up being dead.
"...39 sentences of life without parole"
*Background Royalty Free Funky music plays*
The composure of some of these judges recently absolutely baffles me. I have no idea how they can keep calm and not just flip out at these people.
“This is true…but” it’s like when you tell a dog to drop it and they decide to run with it 😂
9:56 he looks like a child trying to get his mom’s attention while she’s on a phone call
makes me sick. how the hell is his legal team acting like that
She should've found them in contempt and just fined them $1000 per outburst instead of jailing them.
I think the bigger thing that I haven’t seen anyone talk about was the fact that he got life with no parole instead of the death penalty after the prosecutors said they would pursue that in the beginning of the case at the end of day Cruz’s defense team did their job because he got to keep his life
Life in prison is worse than death imo.
Dun forget the lawyers reflects to their client. I love the judge for schooling them.
I feel like some of these people should be publicly flogged
Also to everyone saying “oh they want a mistrial so their acting out” no they do not. Nikolas Cruz already plead guilty. This trial was to see if he gets the death penalty or life, he got life and they got the result they wanted. A mistrial would only give the prosecution another chance at death. I agree it’s horrible what they have done in court but please look up what happened before spouting out things like mistrial and a new trial when that is the last thing they want.
I'm guessing these lawyers saw the "lawyers are evil" memes and figured that was the best place to be themselves.
Her tone is almost like when the class misbehaves when the substitute teacher is there and they get scolded by the teacher the next day
they were so disrespectful in that courtroom!
It reminds me a bit of Meta Court in Horizon Worlds. It's usually full of kids yelling at each other, and brings a new meaning to the term "kangaroo court".