Fake money,fake education,politics,history,food....something of a fakeocracy we inhabit these days it's becoming more apparent, why would music be exempt i guess ?
I remember reading how Barbra Streisand once complained about her recording being manipulated by the engineers and demanded that they restore her original work (they removed the sound of her inhaling during a song).
This. The really great singers didn't care about pitch correctness. Quite to the contrary; their pitch being all over the place was consider "character" and if they performed live, they had good, bad and mediocre concerts, depending on how they felt that evening.
Freddie Mercuty predicted it; "We are in a golden age of music. There will be a time when technology becomes so advanced that we'll rely on it to make music rather than raw talent...and music will lose its soul." He was right. Dua Lipa - as good as she might be - doesn't tick any boxes for me.
Fil, you are a voice in the wilderness... I decided a long time ago to forget modern music...the public gets what the public wants, let 'em get on with it...
Very thorough analysis of Dua Lipa's vocal sounds. I agree pitch correction stiffles the personality and originality of the individual's voice. The natural voice is what makes me feel the performance and moves me in a way that doesn't happen when altered. Great information, Fil. 🎼🎸🤘
I guess this is why I prefer singers prior to 2000. I grew up in the 60s and 70s, and that's still my favorite era. However, I also love 80s music and music from the 40s on because it isn't manipulated. I'm hearing raw talent.
I don’t think the obsession of viewing everything through the lense of talent alone is useful. I’d be willing to some of those singers you’d name wouldn’t have a great voice ‘technically’. Surely the songs themselves and how they’re delivered counts for more than just ‘talent’.
Analogue can be manipulated, too. It's just not as convenient as with a DAW and plugins. You might be surprised to see (with your eyes) how many edit splices exist in classical and jazz recordings. Often it was to combine the best parts of multiple takes into a complete recording, but what you heard on the record was not a continuous single performance.
I think most of the commenters here missed the point. I remember watching Adam Neely where he put voices of people like Aretha Franklin through melodyne. They were pitchy af yet people now are trying to be smartasses with comments like "modern singers suck cause they can't hit a note to a cent" while it's pretty much impossible to do that. Dua sounds great and it's what Fil said at the end in the video: singing and looking at the graph can be soooo misleading and tricky. We're not robots and slight inconsistencies can actually sound cool, give character and portray emotion. Also if you want to be technical, how much cents above and below the note is actually not on pitch anymore? If it sounds good, then it sounds good, even if it happens to be 5 or 7 cents off. There's also quite a few acoustic performances here with a guitar and people often don't realize that guitars aren't always perfect either when it comes to intonation - when you sign you adjust your vocals to the accompaniment that you have and so sometimes when isolated it might be slightly off on the pitch analyzing software but with the guitar it sounds perfect cause both are in tune relative to each other. Just a few thoughts.
Agree. One thing that annoys me is how people love to whinge but without any humility. This becomes the industry standard because of us and the expectations we have from our music. I personally don’t care for the obsessive attention to detail about intonation and stuff like that but the reality is most of us do.
People today do not care, they have no interest in musicians and the skills required to be a top pro. I cannot admire people, who cannot stand and deliver, without software. It is manipulated and looses what I personally love about the real live performance.
People never cared much about the top20 top40, but people who are more interested than average in music have never gone anywhere, it`s just that the crap is so easily available that it`s easy to not see the greatness that is truly out there.
Agreed, and it’s not just the vocals that are manipulated. It seems that gone are the days where artists have to be talented. It’s a real shame that we are now at the point where we question whether we are listening to a real voice. I’d rather the odd imperfection as this is what makes for a more human experience.
When I was first developing my voice, I found a video by a young woman who had singing on pitch as #6 in order of importance. To me it seems like #1, and now four years later I have no problem singing on pitch. People need to just do it.
@@jamesfarrow6752 It has never been more competitive to be hired as a professional musician. We are constantly compared (in competition) with 100% accurate machines and software. When I entered the music business in the late 70’s most musicians could play one instrument to a decent level in one genre. Contemporary musicians are multi-instrumentalists, also skilled in composing, computer technology. There really is no ‘cheating’ it is just an arguably misguided idea that ALL imperfections however slight should be corrected.
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It is similar to photoshopping models. You know, early on pictures would be retouched-the errant hair would be removed or a shadow, or red eye, or a blemish would be smoothed out. Now the architecture of the face or body will be redone. No normal human could achieve this because NOT EVEN THE MODEL CAN!!!
Only partially true. I read this great article on a record producer from the 70s who was known for mixing/mastering live albums, and his main point in the article?? Live albums (even from the 70s) were rarely entirely live. Almost always something was re-recorded to make the album sound better, and therefore be more sell-able. It was (even then) about making some bucks.
@@ProckGnosisI think it was a little off, what was done is songs from different performances possibly at the same venue were combined to form the best album possible. Which can be considered a little deceptive, then again maybe some were being very deceptive.
@@Firemedic361 Trust me, they do everything from punch ins to full track replacements. The recording is a commercial endeavor, not an art work (although it represents the art of its creators).
Well... kinda, mostly, and it's a human thing, I think. It's in our nature to use all our senses and vision tends to be above hearing in the hierarchy. IMNSHO music performances come in one of 3 primary settings: recital, concert, and show. Recital is a direct, live, proximate performance static lighting, no video walls, and in many cases no electronic amplification; it's 100% "real." Concerts are live performances of works that will include non-music elements to enhance the listener experience or the storytelling of the music - wardrobe changes, "artful" lighting and video, electronic amplification with various effects to duplicate things from the studio recording, and electronic playback to fill in parts for which there are no live musicians. Show is just that - it's about what you see, first, and then what you hear, and it's more TV/video/movie production values than a concert, but the primary emphasis is on the whole experience rather than just the performance of the music. Carrie Underwood's flying (above the audience) pickup truck, Bon Jovi's video robots, (name I cant say due to NDAs) visual gag of "flying" from the "B stage" back to the main stage, lots and lots of video that ties directly with the live performance, etc. This includes star vocal and instrumental tracks as well as additional performance tracks (additional parts, effects, musician replacement) because "hey, we're puttin' on a show here!" If that means the audience hears an enhanced or recorded music performance from the star or other performers, that means the audience gets their show free of certain defects. Broadway has done this for years, and I can say with certainty that live music performances have done so for close to 40 years. From the up-front, like The Who having the tape machine on stage for Baba O'Reilly to Boston hiding the tape machine with its subsequent failure exposing their early formation as mostly a mime act.
Thanks for your analysis and passion for real voices and artistry in music and vocals. It is precisely the human-ness that makes music and performances beautiful and compelling. People need to realize how much music is now processed and manipulated.
One thing that cannot be pitch corrected is the natural reverb of a live space. It does not matter how many shots or takes are used for a“ Live “ video acapella. The second video can easily be considered as having been electronically given a studio reverb, as she is in a confined “dead” space. With such it can be inferred that it has also been pitch corrected.
You’re awesome Phil. My Mom who passed in 2020, used to tell me continuously through my upbringing….” Don’t believe everything you hear and only half what you hear” nowadays it would be……Don’t believe nothing you hear or see.
Lovely analysis of the tell-tale signs of multiple video takes, Fil. Even better is your explanation of the implications. 👍👍 Best Wishes. ☮ It drives me a bit nuts when people miss the obvious clues of multiple takes. For example cuts which must show another camera in view milliseconds before the cut if it were one take. Keep up the great work!
Her "dry" vocals actually sound better than I was expecting. But she certainly does not have a great or special voice. There are a million just like her out there!
So, as a Vocalist who HATES auto tune and pitch correction and learned to sing from the greats, I have a question. Do online platforms like CZcams apply their OWN pitch correction? Or is it possible to be an artist who does not use any pitch correction in today's day and age? Also, as a side note, I'd love to see an analysis of P!nk's voice live and in studio recordings. She has a lot of texture and personality to her voice, so I would be curious to see if/how much of her work is pitch corrected and how much is raw. I wouldn't be surprised if she uses pitch correction, but I also think she has so much texture present in her performances that pitch correction might strip that I'd be curious to see how 'processed' her work is. Thanks for another awesome vid! ❤🎵🎶❤ Raw vocals forever!!! 🤘🤘
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Hi Fil, Interesting analysis on Dua Lipa’s vocals. I’m going with mostly pitch corrected on her songs. I feel I can hear a lot of processing going on. And her voice has no substance. It’s all the same sound/tone… and her diction/enunciation is not very clear or convincing. Yes, she did have some bits of good singing but questionable at best. That said she is beautiful. does have some catchy songs and is a good dancer. Thanks Fil, for looking at her voice. Nice job! Debbie☮️
@@debbier938, I hear weird artifacts, as if she’s using an auto tuned microphone. Her voice is all echoey sounding. Was that you I replied to on JHRA’s video of the anthem fiasco? I stopped replying on that thread because a troll broke the conversation.
The beauty and/or curse of digital media is that it is dirt cheap. You are not dealing with actual physical media (tape, film, etc.), so it costs nothing but labour to shoot/record multiple takes and edit it together seamlessly. And never mind the saving in distribution costs. Problem comes when "producers" think the market wants this flawless, soulless, hit all the right notes and beats programmed, and pass that off as music, and it becomes a self-generating nightmare.
Dua on tiny desk is off the chain. Her voice shines and is on point. I can't say for sure if it is or isn't pitch corrected. Elton John performs live with her and enough said. Love her brassiness, her voice is great, different, exciting. ❤
One more thing - it’s not just ‘close enough’ when a real voice doesn’t hit the note according to A=440 on the equal tempered scale. It’s also a characteristic of individual voices that do it, to be higher or lower than ‘the line’ a certain way. And even then, a ‘perfect’ voice may not hit the line based on the pure value of the note. If there are no other instruments tuned to equal temperament for example. Maybe it’s just drums and voice, or a guitar with sweetened tuning, or strings. Now, you can actually use pitch correction software to allow for this but it’s a hell of a lot more work and the standard appears to be everything equal temperament and that’s what people are now used to. I remember when we used to tweak the pitch manually, when computer editing started in about 91-92, long before the specialised software. Of course, you could only deal with obvious and clearly delineated notes. When the first software turned up (IIRC it was Antares Autotune but now it’s everywhere, including as standard features of audio workstation software.
Given how the industry now works, I do wonder if She knows? How many artists believe their own hype not realising processing was put over their voice. So many of the bigger chart artists just roll up and do the take then leave the studio for other work, leaving stuff for the producers and engineers to work on.
@@FSHB have you thought about your comment. These "artists" dont know. Its like Rhianna and her Sony c800 mic - they think its just the professional recording chain.
@@Fl4ppersJust because *you* are only just learning about this, doesn't mean that artists who have been in the industry for over a decade are somehow unaware of this stuff. They work with high-level producers in studio and live, and they absolutely need to be *very* aware of these processes because they have to work with different variations of pitch correction technology, sometimes unable to use those technologies. You don't get to be a good singer like Dua is without having a *very* well-tuned ear; she can hear this stuff better than you can by orders of magnitude. She knows far better than anyone else would.
@@keithklassen5320 thats for that BIZARRE bloody comment. I've been an amateur musician and engineer for 30 years. I have met people who sing who do not realise it is a thing. The industry just refers to it as a "vocal chain" in the same way your car mechanic talks about your "engine" instead of the various pistons and vlaves, switches and wires.
This is why I adore music from the 30s and other eras because its amazing real talent none of this false pitch correction just pure beauty, and as someone who was in a band as a singer I often started to compare myself to these pitch corrected singers until I started to learn how to produce and use a large arsenal of tools but it totally disillusioned me and I stopped with music now I just sing around the house and in the car. No one cares about real voices anymore or unique voices or skilled and honed voices. Well except the amazing followers here. Its sad what the world has become. Thanks for keeping it real mate x
Don't give up singing! Have a listen to Lisa O'Neill's Tiny Desk concert and read some of the comments there. She sounds like no one else, and her whole ethos is about connecting with the earth and with her ancestors, so there's no trickery. The comments there and the appreciation are wonderful and heartening 😊 Listening to her and others like Ren Harvieu has given me more confidence in my own singing. I don't listen to any of this mainstream rubbish 😂
Fil, keep it going! I have no doubt you will accomplish your goal in this world of pitch correction, auto tune, and misinformation from the music industry! Very informative analysis video! 💜
There has always been a large selection of people who do not care about pitch or being in tune or how well the toms are tuned. They just know they like the song. If you are a person who has been involved in creating music, music production, ie - A trained listener, It's all in the details. Sadly, talent has little to do with popular music. Production values reign supreme. Natural talent is no longer a requirement.
Sounds likes sour grapes from fil.,he hasn't made it and is annoyed that people with less talent than him have ,talent is the least important thing required to be a star plenty of talented people cant make a living
@@misterzero8667 No one that follows his channel believes that. But once in a while, a disgruntled fan accuses him of some nefarious thing because he points out a flawed production by an entertainer they love.
i love your videos, but i'm seriously concerned about someone in the industry (the people behind the artists you talk about) ruining your career or your youtube channel, or even your life? so thank you so much for keeping up with your content, cause i haven't seen anyone talk about this with so much accuracy and knowledge
Lol! Much appreciate trying to explore this topic, but people want to believe what they want to believe (like their favorite singer is ALWAYS AMAZING!!). I've gotten into SO many arguments with folks, pointing out how the "amazing performances" and "live vocals" in a video weren't really live (and likely re-recorded). One of the obvious give-aways something isn't live is when the vocalist pulls away from the mike, but the vocal volume doesn't drop. Another is when the singer is dancing around, bouncing up and down, yet there's zero fluctuation in the breathing or pitch of the singing. Like I implied. Folks are dying to be lied to.
It's sad that fake perfection has become the standard to aim for 😔 I like my favourite singers because they are expressive and honest (e.g. Lisa O'Neill, Neil Hannon). I know they can sometimes sing a bit off key, and I wouldn't care at all if someone pointed that out, but in the scheme of things it doesn't matter. I much prefer an expressive performance including 'mistakes' than a processed-sounding pitch-perfect performance. However, I do think that the more people hear pitch corrected music the less they are able to cope with hearing 'mistakes'! We played as part of a local folk festival earlier this summer, and there were some singers there, and there were some youngsters in the audience who looked spell-bound by what they were watching and hearing, which gives me hope 😊
@@theyouofyesterday6254 Part of the problem is that fake sells (it's also usually cheaper to deliver), and it's marketed and sold in a way that it seems real. On top of that, the vast majority of listeners just aren't discerning enough to know the difference, and another large chunk of the listening audience doesn't really care so much anyway. So, a fake product will still sell well enough to encourage further faking to occur!! Happy to hear you are seeing folks in the audience that still like a real live performance with real instruments being played!
Listen to Beth Hart. She is GREAT and I do not detect pitch correction in her live vocals and she’s got quite a few live albums out there. Pure, natural, powerful, amazing talent!
it is the public itself that is to blame, they accept everything, have very little knowledge. do not seem to care. it sounds so extremely the same to me, almost every artist. i mostly listen to old live concerts, past century.
Pitch correction or Autotune can make almost anyone a singer. It’s that simple. Pitch correction and Autotune make time in the studio far less, as well. Even live shows are questionable. Are the artists lip syncing? Is the band playing live or not? Sure, artists of the past used multiple recording of the singer to achieve a certain sound, but it was still the singers voice. Then when the artists played live, it was live. Even when the singer was not on his game, it was live and the fans heard how bad the singer sounded. Broken guitar string, drumsticks, singers falling down all changed the sound, and fans heard it. But we loved it. Artists were giving the fans everything they could on every show, even on bad days. Then, the bands finished up on the road and they wrote, recorded and hit the road again. All that being said, as a metal head, I do like Dua Lipa’s voice. I’m just not turned on by her songs.
That is one SCARY thought man, that one day this technology would be so widely-accepted, that just as one might say "I can't play guitar for you, I don't have my guitar with me" a singer would say "of course I can't sing for you, I left my laptop at home." That would be one sad day. Well, Paul Simon said it back when in "Can't run, but" (the Rhythm of the Saints) "the music suffers baby, the music business thrives". Music - and art in general - is not the same as the businesses that try to sell us said art. Their interests aren't the same at all.
HEY FIL!... check out how most big English bands( and others) used LIVE vocals,yet faked the stage performances using jumbo screens to help timing while shooting hundreds of different shots! This could be a HUGE topic for you. Just satin Zeppelin was the master of this...but check out the Who and Stones as well.
The more videos I see if the 70 and 80 s timeframe convince me that it was all staged fir good intentions...to showcase the bands performances/ talents...just saying it's ALL GOOD
Older music had better melodies, harmonies, and exemplified true genuine musicianship. It’s a shame what the music industry has done. The days when musicians put long hours in a studio and played until their fingers bled to produce quality music are gone! 🤘🎸✌️
Hi Fil, Thank you for this interesting and informative analysis! It's a darn shame that today's music has been reduced to the tune of pitch correction. No more real voices, feelings, and emotions! SMH! On a better note, Congrats on getting 393k subscribers on your channel! Keep on rockin'! 😉👍
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Great video! So important to criticise pitch correction without criticising the singer, and you did that beautifully. Don't hate the player, hate the game!
That statement ("Don't hate the .." 🙄🙄🤦) is utter bullpuckey: Without "players" there IS no game! Period. Everyone allowing, causing or ignoring "wrong" is: guilty. CAN be called-out & criticized for it and, absolutely, deserves it! Go tell your friends (and everyone who's, ever, asserted that trope and quoted that idiocy to you. They, WITHOUT QUESTION, do not understand what they're talking about and THINK that they 🤷🤷(🤦) "sound wise" (🙄), or something, but: are utterly in error, on that!
@@SonicProfessor_a.k.a._T._Andra It's a metaphor. It means it's better to criticise (and seek to change) the system, not the people who have to operate within it. If Fil had spent this whole video laying into Dua Lipa, he'd have just pissed off the very people he's trying to educate.
@@Tanzi24 I wasn't attempting to argue that he "should have." No. Your concluding statement is very accurate. ...However: in the sense of: active steps to consider: one can NEVER "change a system" without altering the: behavior, thinking, 🤷🤷 who can say, exactly, what else (as I am forced to broadly generalize, here)🤷?, of those operating the system and within the system. Without that: no useful change will occur (only alterations of the prior practices to maintain the same-or very similar-function). I am (I think: CLEARLY!🤷) discussing: NOT this video or the persons in it, specifically! I am theorizing regarding: the postulates you have delineated/mentioned. I am not speaking about: Fil, here. At all. Nor am I speaking about Dua Lipa. ...what I am addressing is: the ineptitude of the phrase you presented (although, also: you made a clear and useful argument. If, both, the statement were treated as you explain and the resulting behavior were over 65% similar, even ...I think I could agree. ...however: as I am going to assume you well-know: an all-too-vast swath of humanity, neither do nor would operate that way (without manipulation, force or reward/punishment). ...and: regardless of what the system is we may be discussing/applying this to?: again: if the thinking and (thereby) the behavior (or: vice-versa, indeed!) of: those maintaining the operation of any given system/the functional perpetuation of such, are NOT changed, "the system" (whatever it may be) will not change; despite: force, power. manipulation, etc., et al.!! It will work its way back to maintaining a status quo which keeps the same results recurring. While not every party is "a direct cause" of this, without them assisting in: maintaining operation or accepting all that "comes with," the system could not, easily, maintain its continuity nor keep producing the same results. You see this, don't you? While perhaps negative criticism of "those within" does little to help change (esp. if one does not go to work upon the parameters, controls, what-have-you, of said system (and begin enforcing penalties for ill behavior or manipulation of elements (controlling behavior of others. absolutely, included)!),), it, also, is necessary and easier to effect change: on limited divisions or elements and to force rehaul of a system by causing dysfunction from within\and/or: impermissibility of continuing maintenance of corruption or purposeful error. BOTH are necessary.
It`s obvious when you see it on screen, not so much when accompanied by instruments, backing vocals and maybe even an audience singing along. Not for an average listener anyway, and I don`t think this channel has many casual listeners tbh.. 23:43
I defended Dua Lipa in the last analysis video. I think it's only fair now to point out that she's right up there with early Michael Stipe and Eddie Vedder for most unintelligible lyrics. Is there an app to bring out enunciation?
This videos hurt my soul ... my God... thank you for being a voice of reason. How sad what is happening .. all fake instagram life style. People are getting use to hear unreal voices..
@@Magnumaniac lol. So true! Or as Quiet Riot's Kevin Mark DuBrow humbly sang, "So you think my singin's out of time. It makes me money. I don't know why. I don't know why."
@@Magnumaniac I had no idea that was a remake nor of a band named Slade! Thanks for sharing your knowledge and inspiration to discover a new band! Listened to Run Runaway and Far Far Away so far. :)
This type of music is more like talking to music rather than singing,it’s as if they are following the line of the Alps with their vocals. I think that following your channel is making me more aware of how unmelodic their voices are.Thank you for enlightening me,cheers Roly🇬🇧.
Keep up the fight Fil! I’m so freakin fed up with this (crap) music farthest thing from music and you’re proving it every week. Auto tune, pitch correction, Lypsync. Started in the early 90s being a guy from the music of the 80s high school in 84 I was in the thick of it and we never thought it would end. I can honestly say I heard of few (artists) over the last 25 plus years. The music just sucks bad. Fil keep up the great job and exposing these SOBs be it record company’s or Again (artists) back the day it was about music now it’s about clicks and view. Back in the day today’s artists would have been chewed up and spit out By artists from the day. Sick sad part, for 20-30 they think they’re the greatest thing the best that’s ever been. It’s crap. Again I’m an 80s guy, 60s and 70s music Awesome fantastic. Again thanks Fil.. I’m done lol
I love playing the fretless bass. Wonder if pitch correction could help my occasional intonation issues when recording ?🤔 yeah, I know, practice, practice, practice. Just curious.
It obviously would/will... Better than with vocals... There is also nothing wrong with correcting a few notes on an otherwise great performance... It's just sad the industry does it regardless of how it sounds on everything 😢
Luckily there are current singers who go out of their way to present their artistry as honestly as possible. Both Ren and Chinchilla have (live) after the title and their duet ‘Chalk Outlines (live)’ has to be the pinnacle of what can be achieved by two talented vocalists using natural reverb and filmed in one continuous shot (unlike Lipa).
LOVE, LOVE, LOVE your so SPOT ON video explanations around this topic. For many of the masses this "scientific" explanation may well beyond their comprehension - NO, I am NOT being condescending , or trying to belittle them, just stating what reality is. This next statement is a little away from above topic but just as relevant (or actually far more important). You may well not wish to consider what I say but the same thing about the masses not recognising being "mis-lead" applies to a certain medical intervention that took place. (Enough said on that issue - I just happen to be AWAKE!).
We are entering into the age of humanizing pitch correction, and i predict induced flatting or sharping in auto tune for live “performances” where we won’t be able to tell live, and real talent wont matter in these circumstances. The only way you’ll be able to tell is intimate acoustic settings. God help us.
Why do so many modern pop singers half mumble their lyrics? Her pitch is fine...although she does use pitch correction and auto tune most of the time by the looks of things, but her diction is terrible. I've heard he speak and she sounds fine, it's only when she's singing. Arianna Grande does it to...a lot of the modern pop singers do it. It's almost like they're trying to do an accent or something, but to me it just sounds like they've just been to the dentist and the anesthetic hasn't worn off yet.
There is another financial advantage of pitch correction: you spend less in recording. This is they key issue here - its not like pop audiences have all perfect pitch and there is a race to see who's more in tune. You just remove the natural (and good) variation to achieve predictability, to drive costs down and profits up. That's what's really sad.
I couldn't find the live video I was talking about just previously but I found this live cover from January 2017, which absolutely is not pitch corrected. She really does sound like a saxophone: "Dua Lipa - I Would Rather Go Blind [Etta James Cover]"
I would have sworn that this is auto tuned. It’s got that weird, echoey, slightly robotic sound. It is awful, whether it’s her natural voice or not. Addit: Okay, I misunderstood the time stamp that said “real”. It is auto tuned. My ears were right.
Maybe the songs become awful when used to showcase the singer's talent! Where is the song in all that 'technique'? Self-conscious 'perfection' precludes emotion. It all seemed to start with Mariah showing off her range. It was neither playful nor emotional -like it is when MJ does it.
Yes we may say that hah. And maybe also if you can't sing naked or without pitch correction or backing track of vocal you should NOT be allowed to call it a LIVE performances and charge insanely high prices for it...maybe we could say that?!
I have noticed the inconsistencies in videos on utube. I have also watched a video on processing a sound video. Putting together different cuts of vocals Interesting stuff but not honest music. Thank you Professor Fil for this informative intructional analysis of the current music industry. Back to my old vinyls for real music.
We've been editing and splicing different 'takes' on tape for... as long as tape was around. Classical, jazz, pop, gospel. Then came "punch in" recording where an individual track could be recorded over to replace a word or phrase where the part was early, late, off pitch, or the singer mispronounced words. In the original vinyl release of J.J. Cale's "Cocaine" you can hear a punch in "double" where the engineer hit the record button a fraction of a beat late. The days of a single one take recording being what you bought in the store ended after WWII.
@raygunsforronnie847 Thanks for the information. I was mostly thinking auto tune and pitch correction. Also the sequencing in videos. Ah well. Live and learn. Thanks again.
I don't care for her voice. She sounds very throaty and strained all the time. Only a little note here or there when she releases it to her upper register sound free.
I've been hating "modern" music for years now, but I've had to admit that the quality of the singing voices has been much, much superior to what came out in the 60s, for example. More recently, with your help, I began to realize that this superiority is, at least in part, due to technology. So, I am still impressed with the vocal gymnastics displayed here, but the music itself, that is the quality of the songs, I would toss in the toilet.
Fil, fine video as always, it amazes me how poor today's music actually is, but a lot of youngsters are extolling the virtues of 60's/70's/80's music and how great it really was on utube, let's face it, there is no comparison and the unfortunate thing is these so called artistes are earning millions on the back of well, basic rubbish. Keep up the good work mate and take care.
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I can understand this, but there are some really good honest musicians and singers around! Have a look at the Tiny Desk performances from Lisa O'Neill, Benjamin Clementine and Agnes Obel as a few examples 😊
Fake music, fake faces, fake lifestyles. Authenticity is gold these days ❤
...food, clothes, drugs, just anything is fake.
Nobody cares.
Welcome to the modern world.
there always has been fake, remember the tale of the emperors clothes, but yes it is so widespread now.
Fake money,fake education,politics,history,food....something of a fakeocracy we inhabit these days it's becoming more apparent, why would music be exempt i guess ?
i got some good tunes of mine on my channel
True. The one thing I like is her legs.
I remember reading how Barbra Streisand once complained about her recording being manipulated by the engineers and demanded that they restore her original work (they removed the sound of her inhaling during a song).
The criminals demanding that should be put in jail.
Fortunately Barbra is always "on the ball". She did the same when they "straightened" her nose on an album cover.
😂 how things have changed, I still love hearing the chair creak during the wish you were here intro. She should have kept the sound.
Matt Bellamy's vocals sound like they're processed in a way that his inhalation is a loud as his singing.
@@altpropaganda7293she did. Reread the comment
Fil is leading a revolution. I'm in!
Cindi, I agree! I'm in also !
I’m all in!
Me too 😈
I'm in as well! 😉👍
Yep count me in 👍
The effort put in to make people think it's all natural is not cool. Be human, it's okay.
This. The really great singers didn't care about pitch correctness. Quite to the contrary; their pitch being all over the place was consider "character" and if they performed live, they had good, bad and mediocre concerts, depending on how they felt that evening.
Not just "ok", often better.
Freddie Mercuty predicted it;
"We are in a golden age of music. There will be a time when technology becomes so advanced that we'll rely on it to make music rather than raw talent...and music will lose its soul."
He was right.
Dua Lipa - as good as she might be - doesn't tick any boxes for me.
Fil, you are a voice in the wilderness... I decided a long time ago to forget modern music...the public gets what the public wants, let 'em get on with it...
Step one, make everyone sound like a singing robot.
Step two, replace them with singing robots.
Two major labels have already announced AI "artists".
Yeah, It's part of the transhumanist agenda.
Step three, ????
Step four, PROFIT
❤
@@beadybaby Step three is marketing I guess.
big advantage, they dont need a salary, just some maintenance, a pint of oil to drink haha
Fil, I’m always amazed at your” ear” for hearing and repeating notes. .. very impressive.
Thank you for helping raise awareness of this issue. Too many people are ignorant to the fact that they are being lied to about live performances.
I don’t think the people that listen to this kind of music care about vocal prowess.
And why should they? Vocal prowess is not what it’s about.
I would pitch in, but I will no doubt be corrected!
Badum, tish! (hope you like my drum sample)
@@elvwood Hahaha. And, yes I do! It's going straight into my DAW library. 🥁
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Bro, your hair deserves some recognition.
As someone who was a teen in the late 70’s, I heartily agree. Fil’s hair rocks!! 🤘🏻🎸
Very thorough analysis of Dua Lipa's vocal sounds. I agree pitch correction stiffles the personality and originality of the individual's voice. The natural voice is what makes me feel the performance and moves me in a way that doesn't happen when altered. Great information, Fil. 🎼🎸🤘
The modern female clipped style of vocalization has always annoyed me. Cutting out consonants and so on.
It's a weird mixture of sounding asthmatic and having Foreign Accent Syndrome (and no, I'm not making that term up).
@@RyanCMcD Thanks I'm going to look it up.
Try some metal vocalists live. Proper enunciation.
I agree. And if it's not "Foreign Accent Syndrome", it's trying to sound like a sexy baby. Makes me rather ill. That throaty, lisping thing, ugh!
Drives me bananas. It's the "Diana Vickers" syndrome; swallowing the words and chopping them off.
The deception and lies in this world are abounding. Not just in voice. People believe not Truth, but rather what strokes their emotions.
I guess this is why I prefer singers prior to 2000. I grew up in the 60s and 70s, and that's still my favorite era. However, I also love 80s music and music from the 40s on because it isn't manipulated. I'm hearing raw talent.
I don’t think the obsession of viewing everything through the lense of talent alone is useful.
I’d be willing to some of those singers you’d name wouldn’t have a great voice ‘technically’.
Surely the songs themselves and how they’re delivered counts for more than just ‘talent’.
It really makes one appreciate real music when we do have the luxury to hear it.
I’m not being flippant, but where we are right now Dua Lipa could be a creation of A.I..
How would we know any different?
I miss the analogue world.
She looks better than an AI could but you’re probably not far off.
There’s still the ability to make analogue music if people want to.
@@jonathanmarkham1998 this already happensd , look at your local bands, those tend to be authentic still.
Analogue can be manipulated, too. It's just not as convenient as with a DAW and plugins. You might be surprised to see (with your eyes) how many edit splices exist in classical and jazz recordings. Often it was to combine the best parts of multiple takes into a complete recording, but what you heard on the record was not a continuous single performance.
She does like the kind of plastic fantastic barbie doll that AI would create, but then again... all female pop singers look like that nowadays.
The Al Pacino film SIMONE is about an AI actress.
I think most of the commenters here missed the point.
I remember watching Adam Neely where he put voices of people like Aretha Franklin through melodyne. They were pitchy af yet people now are trying to be smartasses with comments like "modern singers suck cause they can't hit a note to a cent" while it's pretty much impossible to do that.
Dua sounds great and it's what Fil said at the end in the video: singing and looking at the graph can be soooo misleading and tricky. We're not robots and slight inconsistencies can actually sound cool, give character and portray emotion. Also if you want to be technical, how much cents above and below the note is actually not on pitch anymore? If it sounds good, then it sounds good, even if it happens to be 5 or 7 cents off.
There's also quite a few acoustic performances here with a guitar and people often don't realize that guitars aren't always perfect either when it comes to intonation - when you sign you adjust your vocals to the accompaniment that you have and so sometimes when isolated it might be slightly off on the pitch analyzing software but with the guitar it sounds perfect cause both are in tune relative to each other.
Just a few thoughts.
Agree. One thing that annoys me is how people love to whinge but without any humility.
This becomes the industry standard because of us and the expectations we have from our music.
I personally don’t care for the obsessive attention to detail about intonation and stuff like that but the reality is most of us do.
People today do not care, they have no interest in musicians and the skills required to be a top pro. I cannot admire people, who cannot stand and deliver, without software. It is manipulated and looses what I personally love about the real live performance.
People never cared much about the top20 top40, but people who are more interested than average in music have never gone anywhere, it`s just that the crap is so easily available that it`s easy to not see the greatness that is truly out there.
Agreed, and it’s not just the vocals that are manipulated. It seems that gone are the days where artists have to be talented. It’s a real shame that we are now at the point where we question whether we are listening to a real voice. I’d rather the odd imperfection as this is what makes for a more human experience.
@jamesfarrow6752
Yes spot on 👍
When I was first developing my voice, I found a video by a young woman who had singing on pitch as #6 in order of importance. To me it seems like #1, and now four years later I have no problem singing on pitch. People need to just do it.
@@jamesfarrow6752 It has never been more competitive to be hired as a professional musician. We are constantly compared (in competition) with 100% accurate machines and software. When I entered the music business in the late 70’s most musicians could play one instrument to a decent level in one genre. Contemporary musicians are multi-instrumentalists, also skilled in composing, computer technology. There really is no ‘cheating’ it is just an arguably misguided idea that ALL imperfections however slight should be corrected.
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It is similar to photoshopping models. You know, early on pictures would be retouched-the errant hair would be removed or a shadow, or red eye, or a blemish would be smoothed out. Now the architecture of the face or body will be redone. No normal human could achieve this because NOT EVEN THE MODEL CAN!!!
It all went to hell when we started looking at music instead of listening to it
Only partially true. I read this great article on a record producer from the 70s who was known for mixing/mastering live albums, and his main point in the article?? Live albums (even from the 70s) were rarely entirely live. Almost always something was re-recorded to make the album sound better, and therefore be more sell-able. It was (even then) about making some bucks.
@@ProckGnosisI think it was a little off, what was done is songs from different performances possibly at the same venue were combined to form the best album possible. Which can be considered a little deceptive, then again maybe some were being very deceptive.
@@Firemedic361 Trust me, they do everything from punch ins to full track replacements. The recording is a commercial endeavor, not an art work (although it represents the art of its creators).
Well... kinda, mostly, and it's a human thing, I think. It's in our nature to use all our senses and vision tends to be above hearing in the hierarchy. IMNSHO music performances come in one of 3 primary settings: recital, concert, and show. Recital is a direct, live, proximate performance static lighting, no video walls, and in many cases no electronic amplification; it's 100% "real." Concerts are live performances of works that will include non-music elements to enhance the listener experience or the storytelling of the music - wardrobe changes, "artful" lighting and video, electronic amplification with various effects to duplicate things from the studio recording, and electronic playback to fill in parts for which there are no live musicians. Show is just that - it's about what you see, first, and then what you hear, and it's more TV/video/movie production values than a concert, but the primary emphasis is on the whole experience rather than just the performance of the music. Carrie Underwood's flying (above the audience) pickup truck, Bon Jovi's video robots, (name I cant say due to NDAs) visual gag of "flying" from the "B stage" back to the main stage, lots and lots of video that ties directly with the live performance, etc. This includes star vocal and instrumental tracks as well as additional performance tracks (additional parts, effects, musician replacement) because "hey, we're puttin' on a show here!" If that means the audience hears an enhanced or recorded music performance from the star or other performers, that means the audience gets their show free of certain defects. Broadway has done this for years, and I can say with certainty that live music performances have done so for close to 40 years. From the up-front, like The Who having the tape machine on stage for Baba O'Reilly to Boston hiding the tape machine with its subsequent failure exposing their early formation as mostly a mime act.
Thanks for your analysis and passion for real voices and artistry in music and vocals. It is precisely the human-ness that makes music and performances beautiful and compelling. People need to realize how much music is now processed and manipulated.
One thing that cannot be pitch corrected is the natural reverb of a live space. It does not matter how many shots or takes are used for a“ Live “ video acapella. The second video can easily be considered as having been electronically given a studio reverb, as she is in a confined “dead” space. With such it can be inferred that it has also been pitch corrected.
So much time, effort and talent goes in to producing music that is awful.
Can't polish a turd!
You’re awesome Phil. My Mom who passed in 2020, used to tell me continuously through my upbringing….” Don’t believe everything you hear and only half what you hear” nowadays it would be……Don’t believe nothing you hear or see.
Lovely analysis of the tell-tale signs of multiple video takes, Fil. Even better is your explanation of the implications. 👍👍
Best Wishes. ☮
It drives me a bit nuts when people miss the obvious clues of multiple takes. For example cuts which must show another camera in view milliseconds before the cut if it were one take. Keep up the great work!
Her "dry" vocals actually sound better than I was expecting. But she certainly does not have a great or special voice. There are a million just like her out there!
I don't know about great or special but she sounds unique and stands out from her peer popstars, at least to me.
So, as a Vocalist who HATES auto tune and pitch correction and learned to sing from the greats, I have a question. Do online platforms like CZcams apply their OWN pitch correction? Or is it possible to be an artist who does not use any pitch correction in today's day and age?
Also, as a side note, I'd love to see an analysis of P!nk's voice live and in studio recordings. She has a lot of texture and personality to her voice, so I would be curious to see if/how much of her work is pitch corrected and how much is raw. I wouldn't be surprised if she uses pitch correction, but I also think she has so much texture present in her performances that pitch correction might strip that I'd be curious to see how 'processed' her work is.
Thanks for another awesome vid! ❤🎵🎶❤ Raw vocals forever!!! 🤘🤘
CZcams does not do pitch correction. If you're not signed to a record label, you can use it or not as you please.
you explain this all very well and have a great ear. your videos makes me wonder what my (human) voice "looks" like!
'' Is it live, or is it memorex'' has aged well. The age of mistrust, photoshop, lies and videotape.
I absolutely love your thoughtful, informed analysis. I learn something with every single video.
Funny that it's an Evian advertisement, because "Evian" backward, is "Naive"
YES! I'd noticed that only about a year ago myself, also feeling that's not a coincidence!
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Niiiiice!!
Hi Fil. Thank you for the great video. Makes me sad but good to know.
Preach, Fil!!
Your work is top notch Fil. Thank you very much!
Great update as always Fil
Modern pop is basically CGI softcore porn with a robot soundtrack.
Hi Fil,
Interesting analysis on Dua Lipa’s vocals. I’m going with mostly pitch corrected on her songs. I feel I can hear a lot of processing going on. And her voice has no substance. It’s all the same sound/tone… and her diction/enunciation is not very clear or convincing. Yes, she did have some bits of good singing but questionable at best. That said she is beautiful. does have some catchy songs and is a good dancer. Thanks Fil, for looking at her voice. Nice job! Debbie☮️
She's probably lip syncing with just enough live mic for the breath sounds and talking. You'd be surprised at how many pop performers do that.
@@raygunsforronnie847 no, it doesn’t surprise me at all! Lol
@@debbier938,
I hear weird artifacts, as if she’s using an auto tuned microphone. Her voice is all echoey sounding.
Was that you I replied to on JHRA’s video of the anthem fiasco?
I stopped replying on that thread because a troll broke the conversation.
@@SuziQ. probably, but not sure. It’s OK… there was one troll on a comment I made and I just never got back to it! LOL
The beauty and/or curse of digital media is that it is dirt cheap. You are not dealing with actual physical media (tape, film, etc.), so it costs nothing but labour to shoot/record multiple takes and edit it together seamlessly. And never mind the saving in distribution costs. Problem comes when "producers" think the market wants this flawless, soulless, hit all the right notes and beats programmed, and pass that off as music, and it becomes a self-generating nightmare.
It would be interesting to know if NPR'S Tiny Desk Concerts are pitch corrected or not.
Great shout!!!
Dua on tiny desk is off the chain. Her voice shines and is on point. I can't say for sure if it is or isn't pitch corrected. Elton John performs live with her and enough said. Love her brassiness, her voice is great, different, exciting. ❤
I’d love for him to check the tiny desk concerts. He should do Harry Styles and Chappell Roan
I hope not. But the artists might have some input.
Given its ubiquity, you'd have to assume the answer is yes.
Phil, you should have a discussion with Rick Beato about autotune and AI…
That would be a great collaboration. I think they’d both have a lot to say on topic.
One more thing - it’s not just ‘close enough’ when a real voice doesn’t hit the note according to A=440 on the equal tempered scale. It’s also a characteristic of individual voices that do it, to be higher or lower than ‘the line’ a certain way. And even then, a ‘perfect’ voice may not hit the line based on the pure value of the note. If there are no other instruments tuned to equal temperament for example. Maybe it’s just drums and voice, or a guitar with sweetened tuning, or strings. Now, you can actually use pitch correction software to allow for this but it’s a hell of a lot more work and the standard appears to be everything equal temperament and that’s what people are now used to. I remember when we used to tweak the pitch manually, when computer editing started in about 91-92, long before the specialised software. Of course, you could only deal with obvious and clearly delineated notes. When the first software turned up (IIRC it was Antares Autotune but now it’s everywhere, including as standard features of audio workstation software.
The fact that they’re lying makes it worse
Given how the industry now works, I do wonder if She knows? How many artists believe their own hype not realising processing was put over their voice. So many of the bigger chart artists just roll up and do the take then leave the studio for other work, leaving stuff for the producers and engineers to work on.
come on, ofcourse she knows, she sure listens to the final product, but they cant complain,,else no money.
have you watch the whole video?
@@FSHB have you thought about your comment. These "artists" dont know. Its like Rhianna and her Sony c800 mic - they think its just the professional recording chain.
@@Fl4ppersJust because *you* are only just learning about this, doesn't mean that artists who have been in the industry for over a decade are somehow unaware of this stuff. They work with high-level producers in studio and live, and they absolutely need to be *very* aware of these processes because they have to work with different variations of pitch correction technology, sometimes unable to use those technologies. You don't get to be a good singer like Dua is without having a *very* well-tuned ear; she can hear this stuff better than you can by orders of magnitude. She knows far better than anyone else would.
@@keithklassen5320 thats for that BIZARRE bloody comment. I've been an amateur musician and engineer for 30 years. I have met people who sing who do not realise it is a thing. The industry just refers to it as a "vocal chain" in the same way your car mechanic talks about your "engine" instead of the various pistons and vlaves, switches and wires.
I love your analysis! You are so perceptive AND entertaining.
Not clueless one bit about TARJA'S vocals. Got to hear her mess around and warm up her vocals un-miked during a rehearsal . OMG BLEW ME AWAY ☮☮💘💘💥💥
Don't know who Tarja is but yes, some people sing better than others.
@@Grizazzle Part of the problem is that people don't know who TARJA is !!!!!!!!!! Or other great artists . SHE IS SO SO EPIC !!!!!!!! ☮☮💘💘💥💥
What gets me, are very good singers who also opt to use Autotune!
Thanks for continuing to expose these things. If only more people were aware of your channel to actually see this themselves and learn something
This is why I adore music from the 30s and other eras because its amazing real talent none of this false pitch correction just pure beauty, and as someone who was in a band as a singer I often started to compare myself to these pitch corrected singers until I started to learn how to produce and use a large arsenal of tools but it totally disillusioned me and I stopped with music now I just sing around the house and in the car. No one cares about real voices anymore or unique voices or skilled and honed voices. Well except the amazing followers here. Its sad what the world has become. Thanks for keeping it real mate x
The more money, the more pitch correction is used. Don't give up on music, but look for some less well-known musicians. Check out säje, for example.
dont get too sad, there always will be a niche groupe of real music lovers.
Don't give up singing!
Have a listen to Lisa O'Neill's Tiny Desk concert and read some of the comments there. She sounds like no one else, and her whole ethos is about connecting with the earth and with her ancestors, so there's no trickery. The comments there and the appreciation are wonderful and heartening 😊 Listening to her and others like Ren Harvieu has given me more confidence in my own singing. I don't listen to any of this mainstream rubbish 😂
Fil, keep it going! I have no doubt you will accomplish your goal in this world of pitch correction, auto tune, and misinformation from the music industry! Very informative analysis video! 💜
Carry on Fil. Fight the Good Fight
Love the way you consistently connect with everyone.
There has always been a large selection of people who do not care about pitch or being in tune or how well the toms are tuned. They just know they like the song. If you are a person who has been involved in creating music, music production, ie - A trained listener, It's all in the details. Sadly, talent has little to do with popular music. Production values reign supreme. Natural talent is no longer a requirement.
I imagine it's like a master carpenter watching in dissappoinrnent as people fawn over how amazing IKEA furniture is
Sounds likes sour grapes from fil.,he hasn't made it and is annoyed that people with less talent than him have ,talent is the least important thing required to be a star plenty of talented people cant make a living
@@misterzero8667 No one that follows his channel believes that. But once in a while, a disgruntled fan accuses him of some nefarious thing because he points out a flawed production by an entertainer they love.
@@sallyatticum Well said. Especially Ea#### fans.
Industry plants are real
You are my one of my favorite hammers. Keep it up!
i love your videos, but i'm seriously concerned about someone in the industry (the people behind the artists you talk about) ruining your career or your youtube channel, or even your life? so thank you so much for keeping up with your content, cause i haven't seen anyone talk about this with so much accuracy and knowledge
Lol! Much appreciate trying to explore this topic, but people want to believe what they want to believe (like their favorite singer is ALWAYS AMAZING!!). I've gotten into SO many arguments with folks, pointing out how the "amazing performances" and "live vocals" in a video weren't really live (and likely re-recorded). One of the obvious give-aways something isn't live is when the vocalist pulls away from the mike, but the vocal volume doesn't drop. Another is when the singer is dancing around, bouncing up and down, yet there's zero fluctuation in the breathing or pitch of the singing.
Like I implied. Folks are dying to be lied to.
It's sad that fake perfection has become the standard to aim for 😔
I like my favourite singers because they are expressive and honest (e.g. Lisa O'Neill, Neil Hannon). I know they can sometimes sing a bit off key, and I wouldn't care at all if someone pointed that out, but in the scheme of things it doesn't matter. I much prefer an expressive performance including 'mistakes' than a processed-sounding pitch-perfect performance.
However, I do think that the more people hear pitch corrected music the less they are able to cope with hearing 'mistakes'!
We played as part of a local folk festival earlier this summer, and there were some singers there, and there were some youngsters in the audience who looked spell-bound by what they were watching and hearing, which gives me hope 😊
@@theyouofyesterday6254 Part of the problem is that fake sells (it's also usually cheaper to deliver), and it's marketed and sold in a way that it seems real. On top of that, the vast majority of listeners just aren't discerning enough to know the difference, and another large chunk of the listening audience doesn't really care so much anyway. So, a fake product will still sell well enough to encourage further faking to occur!!
Happy to hear you are seeing folks in the audience that still like a real live performance with real instruments being played!
Listen to Beth Hart. She is GREAT and I do not detect pitch correction in her live vocals and she’s got quite a few live albums out there. Pure, natural, powerful, amazing talent!
I absolutely love Beth Hart 🤩
Another great job FIL, it's a sad commentary on the shallowness and blandness being fostered on the public.
Foisted
True, but it's also a sad commentary on the public for buying it in such large numbers.
it is the public itself that is to blame, they accept everything, have very little knowledge. do not seem to care.
it sounds so extremely the same to me, almost every artist. i mostly listen to old live concerts, past century.
@@kevinm6790 Yes, thanks
Gosh her actual raw vocals sound so pleasant!
Again, great analysis and explanation Fil. Thank you. I think I’m just going to listen to classical music from now on.
Pitch correction or Autotune can make almost anyone a singer. It’s that simple. Pitch correction and Autotune make time in the studio far less, as well.
Even live shows are questionable. Are the artists lip syncing? Is the band playing live or not?
Sure, artists of the past used multiple recording of the singer to achieve a certain sound, but it was still the singers voice. Then when the artists played live, it was live. Even when the singer was not on his game, it was live and the fans heard how bad the singer sounded. Broken guitar string, drumsticks, singers falling down all changed the sound, and fans heard it.
But we loved it. Artists were giving the fans everything they could on every show, even on bad days. Then, the bands finished up on the road and they wrote, recorded and hit the road again.
All that being said, as a metal head, I do like Dua Lipa’s voice. I’m just not turned on by her songs.
There's also live autotune, which is seemingly common.
That is one SCARY thought man, that one day this technology would be so widely-accepted, that just as one might say "I can't play guitar for you, I don't have my guitar with me" a singer would say "of course I can't sing for you, I left my laptop at home." That would be one sad day.
Well, Paul Simon said it back when in "Can't run, but" (the Rhythm of the Saints) "the music suffers baby, the music business thrives". Music - and art in general - is not the same as the businesses that try to sell us said art. Their interests aren't the same at all.
HEY FIL!... check out how most big English bands( and others) used LIVE vocals,yet faked the stage performances using jumbo screens to help timing while shooting hundreds of different shots! This could be a HUGE topic for you. Just satin Zeppelin was the master of this...but check out the Who and Stones as well.
The more videos I see if the 70 and 80 s timeframe convince me that it was all staged fir good intentions...to showcase the bands performances/ talents...just saying it's ALL GOOD
Older music had better melodies, harmonies, and exemplified true genuine musicianship. It’s a shame what the music industry has done. The days when musicians put long hours in a studio and played until their fingers bled to produce quality music are gone! 🤘🎸✌️
Thank you Fil for showing us the differences of each vocal. Great analysis as always. 😊🎸🎵
Hi Fil, Thank you for this interesting and informative analysis! It's a darn shame that today's music has been reduced to the tune of pitch correction. No more real voices, feelings, and emotions! SMH! On a better note, Congrats on getting 393k subscribers on your channel! Keep on rockin'! 😉👍
So good to listen to your analysis!
Thanks!
As I'm watching this video, I keep going back to upvote it, then realized I've already upvoted. You provide such a service to the community, it is indescribable. Thank you!
I agree w/ your analysis of autotune being on/off. I'll point out that performance no. 3 at 10:26 is noticeably over compressed IMHO.
Great video! So important to criticise pitch correction without criticising the singer, and you did that beautifully. Don't hate the player, hate the game!
That statement ("Don't hate the .." 🙄🙄🤦)
is utter bullpuckey: Without "players" there IS no game!
Period.
Everyone allowing, causing or ignoring "wrong" is: guilty. CAN be called-out & criticized for it and, absolutely, deserves it!
Go tell your friends (and everyone who's, ever, asserted that trope and quoted that idiocy to you.
They, WITHOUT QUESTION, do not understand what they're talking about and THINK that they 🤷🤷(🤦) "sound wise" (🙄), or something, but: are utterly in error, on that!
@@SonicProfessor_a.k.a._T._Andra It's a metaphor. It means it's better to criticise (and seek to change) the system, not the people who have to operate within it. If Fil had spent this whole video laying into Dua Lipa, he'd have just pissed off the very people he's trying to educate.
@@Tanzi24 I wasn't attempting to argue that he "should have." No.
Your concluding statement is very accurate.
...However: in the sense of: active steps to consider: one can NEVER "change a system" without altering the: behavior, thinking, 🤷🤷 who can say, exactly, what else (as I am forced to broadly generalize, here)🤷?, of those operating the system and within the system.
Without that: no useful change will occur (only alterations of the prior practices to maintain the same-or very similar-function).
I am (I think: CLEARLY!🤷) discussing: NOT this video or the persons in it, specifically!
I am theorizing regarding: the postulates you have delineated/mentioned.
I am not speaking about: Fil, here. At all.
Nor am I speaking about Dua Lipa.
...what I am addressing is: the ineptitude of the phrase you presented (although, also: you made a clear and useful argument.
If, both, the statement were treated as you explain and the resulting behavior were over 65% similar, even ...I think I could agree.
...however: as I am going to assume you well-know: an all-too-vast swath of humanity, neither do nor would operate that way (without manipulation, force or reward/punishment).
...and: regardless of what the system is we may be discussing/applying this to?: again: if the thinking and (thereby) the behavior (or: vice-versa, indeed!) of: those maintaining the operation of any given system/the functional perpetuation of such, are NOT changed, "the system" (whatever it may be) will not change; despite: force, power. manipulation, etc., et al.!!
It will work its way back to maintaining a status quo which keeps the same results recurring.
While not every party is "a direct cause" of this, without them assisting in: maintaining operation or accepting all that "comes with," the system could not, easily, maintain its continuity nor keep producing the same results.
You see this, don't you?
While perhaps negative criticism of "those within" does little to help change (esp. if one does not go to work upon the parameters, controls, what-have-you, of said system (and begin enforcing penalties for ill behavior or manipulation of elements (controlling behavior of others. absolutely, included)!),), it, also, is necessary and easier to effect change: on limited divisions or elements and to force rehaul of a system by causing dysfunction from within\and/or: impermissibility of continuing maintenance of corruption or purposeful error.
BOTH are necessary.
It's sad that people can't tell just from listening. It's so obvious that the singing is corrected.
It`s obvious when you see it on screen, not so much when accompanied by instruments, backing vocals and maybe even an audience singing along.
Not for an average listener anyway, and I don`t think this channel has many casual listeners tbh..
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i doubt if you can hear in a blind test.
have you watch the whole video?
Thanks for this Fil and all your hard work.🤘
I defended Dua Lipa in the last analysis video. I think it's only fair now to point out that she's right up there with early Michael Stipe and Eddie Vedder for most unintelligible lyrics. Is there an app to bring out enunciation?
Sia is much worse. Half the time I don't understand what she's mumbling.
@@Goldfire-tt3dv I'm pretty sure that's Sia's intention - a stylistic choice. Not a fan of it, but it is what it is.
Yes there's an app for annunciation it's called Lucy Thomas 😂
Most unintelligible lyrics? Clearly you’ve never heard of Job for a Cowboy. You can read the lyrics as the song plays, good luck hearing them 😂
A lot of the problem with unintelligible vocals is poor mike technique and in some cases a bad choice of microphone..
This videos hurt my soul ... my God... thank you for being a voice of reason. How sad what is happening .. all fake instagram life style. People are getting use to hear unreal voices..
A singer is a person who can sing. Otherwise he / she could not be called a singer.
Oh, I dunno. Ozzy Osborne got away with it for 50 years.
@@Magnumaniac lol. So true! Or as Quiet Riot's Kevin Mark DuBrow humbly sang, "So you think my singin's out of time. It makes me money. I don't know why. I don't know why."
a singer is a person who sings. Is not necesary to be good or bad
@@blah2blah65 Well, I think Noddy Holder might just have sung that line first - but the sentiment is the same :)
@@Magnumaniac I had no idea that was a remake nor of a band named Slade! Thanks for sharing your knowledge and inspiration to discover a new band! Listened to Run Runaway and Far Far Away so far. :)
God damn, this is the biggest eyeopener I ever experienced in musical perception,
Grateful I am for that.
This type of music is more like talking to music rather than singing,it’s as if they are following the line of the Alps with their vocals.
I think that following your channel is making me more aware of how unmelodic their voices are.Thank you for enlightening me,cheers Roly🇬🇧.
Keep up the fight Fil! I’m so freakin fed up with this (crap) music farthest thing from music and you’re proving it every week. Auto tune, pitch correction, Lypsync. Started in the early 90s being a guy from the music of the 80s high school in 84 I was in the thick of it and we never thought it would end. I can honestly say I heard of few (artists) over the last 25 plus years. The music just sucks bad. Fil keep up the great job and exposing these SOBs be it record company’s or Again (artists) back the day it was about music now it’s about clicks and view. Back in the day today’s artists would have been chewed up and spit out By artists from the day. Sick sad part, for 20-30 they think they’re the greatest thing the best that’s ever been. It’s crap. Again I’m an 80s guy, 60s and 70s music Awesome fantastic. Again thanks Fil.. I’m done lol
I love playing the fretless bass. Wonder if pitch correction could help my occasional intonation issues when recording ?🤔 yeah, I know, practice, practice, practice. Just curious.
It obviously would/will... Better than with vocals... There is also nothing wrong with correcting a few notes on an otherwise great performance...
It's just sad the industry does it regardless of how it sounds on everything 😢
Love your channel. Thanks for what you do
This confirms how good a singer like Crystal Gayle is--you did a reaction to her singing Cry Me a River.
Luckily there are current singers who go out of their way to present their artistry as honestly as possible. Both Ren and Chinchilla have (live) after the title and their duet ‘Chalk Outlines (live)’ has to be the pinnacle of what can be achieved by two talented vocalists using natural reverb and filmed in one continuous shot (unlike Lipa).
LOVE, LOVE, LOVE your so SPOT ON video explanations around this topic. For many of the masses this "scientific" explanation may well beyond their comprehension - NO, I am NOT being condescending , or trying to belittle them, just stating what reality is.
This next statement is a little away from above topic but just as relevant (or actually far more important). You may well not wish to consider what I say but the same thing about the masses not recognising being "mis-lead" applies to a certain medical intervention that took place. (Enough said on that issue - I just happen to be AWAKE!).
funny, people who say they are awake , usually are not, they fantasize about it.
@@wout123100 mmm, care to expand on that? I was / am AWAKE enough not to have taken the poisons!
We are entering into the age of humanizing pitch correction, and i predict induced flatting or sharping in auto tune for live “performances” where we won’t be able to tell live, and real talent wont matter in these circumstances. The only way you’ll be able to tell is intimate acoustic settings. God help us.
Why do so many modern pop singers half mumble their lyrics? Her pitch is fine...although she does use pitch correction and auto tune most of the time by the looks of things, but her diction is terrible. I've heard he speak and she sounds fine, it's only when she's singing. Arianna Grande does it to...a lot of the modern pop singers do it. It's almost like they're trying to do an accent or something, but to me it just sounds like they've just been to the dentist and the anesthetic hasn't worn off yet.
There is another financial advantage of pitch correction: you spend less in recording. This is they key issue here - its not like pop audiences have all perfect pitch and there is a race to see who's more in tune. You just remove the natural (and good) variation to achieve predictability, to drive costs down and profits up. That's what's really sad.
I couldn't find the live video I was talking about just previously but I found this live cover from January 2017, which absolutely is not pitch corrected. She really does sound like a saxophone: "Dua Lipa - I Would Rather Go Blind [Etta James Cover]"
Can we at some point mention that the songs themselves are pretty awful?
We really should....
I would have sworn that this is auto tuned. It’s got that weird, echoey, slightly robotic sound.
It is awful, whether it’s her natural voice or not.
Addit: Okay, I misunderstood the time stamp that said “real”. It is auto tuned. My ears were right.
Maybe the songs become awful when used to showcase the singer's talent! Where is the song in all that 'technique'? Self-conscious 'perfection' precludes emotion. It all seemed to start with Mariah showing off her range. It was neither playful nor emotional -like it is when MJ does it.
Are they? I would say there are as many great pop songs as there have ever been. Levitating being one of them
Yes we may say that hah. And maybe also if you can't sing naked or without pitch correction or backing track of vocal you should NOT be allowed to call it a LIVE performances and charge insanely high prices for it...maybe we could say that?!
I have noticed the inconsistencies in videos on utube. I have also watched a video on processing a sound video. Putting together different cuts of vocals Interesting stuff but not honest music. Thank you Professor Fil for this informative intructional analysis of the current music industry. Back to my old vinyls for real music.
We've been editing and splicing different 'takes' on tape for... as long as tape was around. Classical, jazz, pop, gospel. Then came "punch in" recording where an individual track could be recorded over to replace a word or phrase where the part was early, late, off pitch, or the singer mispronounced words. In the original vinyl release of J.J. Cale's "Cocaine" you can hear a punch in "double" where the engineer hit the record button a fraction of a beat late. The days of a single one take recording being what you bought in the store ended after WWII.
@raygunsforronnie847 Thanks for the information. I was mostly thinking auto tune and pitch correction. Also the sequencing in videos. Ah well. Live and learn. Thanks again.
Congrats Fil on 393,000 subs👏❤@wingsofpegasus
Really makes you re-think Milli Vanilli
I don't care for her voice. She sounds very throaty and strained all the time. Only a little note here or there when she releases it to her upper register sound free.
I've been hating "modern" music for years now, but I've had to admit that the quality of the singing voices has been much, much superior to what came out in the 60s, for example. More recently, with your help, I began to realize that this superiority is, at least in part, due to technology. So, I am still impressed with the vocal gymnastics displayed here, but the music itself, that is the quality of the songs, I would toss in the toilet.
All the humanity is being sucked out of music. You can tell whether you like it or not.
Fil, fine video as always, it amazes me how poor today's music actually is, but a lot of youngsters are extolling the virtues of 60's/70's/80's music and how great it really was on utube, let's face it, there is no comparison and the unfortunate thing is these so called artistes are earning millions on the back of well, basic rubbish. Keep up the good work mate and take care.
very good Fil
The standard tuning for music worldwide is 440 Hz, which was established in the 1950s and confirmed in 1975. However, some people prefer music tuned to 432 Hz, believing it sounds more harmonious and soothing. They also claim that 432 Hz music resonates more naturally with the human body and the natural world, promoting a sense of relaxation and wellbeing.
Examples of songs tuned to 432 Hz: In the Air Tonight-Phil Collins, Hallelujah-Jeff Buckley, Dust in the Wind-Kansas, etc.
What is 528 Hz frequency used for?
It's also often referred to as the Love Frequency or the Vibration of Love. The 528 Hz frequency is found in almost every living organism, from human DNA to chlorophyll. It's also one of the Solfeggio frequencies with proven health benefits. It has a deep-rooted relationship with nature.
Is this why you rarely see unplugged or a cappella performances anymore?
I still listen to the same music I did 50 years ago as well as classical music so I don’t worry about this bs from image-conscious fakes.
I can understand this, but there are some really good honest musicians and singers around! Have a look at the Tiny Desk performances from Lisa O'Neill, Benjamin Clementine and Agnes Obel as a few examples 😊