How to Judge a Culture | Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Jordan B. Peterson
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- čas přidán 21. 02. 2021
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Jordan and Ayaan discuss some of the major differences between Islamic and Western culture, including what Islam will and will not accept from the West, and the advantages and disadvantages of Western Imperial Colonialism.
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The music at 6:15 is there to inform you that a bombshell of an idea is about to be dropped. 🔥 Great insight!
Is this the exact moment she was converted to Christianity?
Geez its good to have you back JP!. ;)
6:15 suddenly, it's an exciting news broadcast
What was that?
@@alias3549 could have been a timer or something
I got so jumpscared I almost screamed hahahaha
Relative mo ra li ty'
WOW! What a way to put it! Brilliant!
One of the most interesting talks.
I love this interview!
Great discussion, informative, brilliant arguments
I am shocked to see person like JP could be so ignorant about his own confirmation biases.
Which biases does he present here?
I’m so shocked to see people who either have anime profile or a pink teddy bear , not knowing what they are talking about
Dont clutch your pearls too tight
I like JP, he is a smart man but i agree with you about his biases.
@@twilightjafari4605 what biases does he present here
Very very interesting
Yes sir
Lovely
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When it is said to them, “Come to Allah’s revelations and to the Messenger,” you see the hypocrites turn away from you stubbornly.
˹Only˺ Allah knows what is in their hearts. So turn away from them, caution them, and give them advice that will shake their very souls.
Quran
Bible:God Is Not a Man That He Should Lie
Quran: Allah was deceptive, for Allah is the best of deceivers！🥴
Bible:….there are six things that the Lord hates,seven that are an abomination to him:17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue,and hands that shed innocent blood,18 a heart that devises wicked plans,feet that make haste to run to evil,19 a false witness who breathes out lies…….
"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." John 8:44
Allah = Satan
Ephesians 6:12
For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.
2 Corinthians 11:14-15
And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.
I loved this; it feels a long time in the making. How about have a conversation with a Muslim Intellectual, like Hamza Yusuf over at Zaytuna College? Noted conservative intellectual Sir roger Scruton never seemed to have problems in doing so, may he Rest In Peace. Scruton and Hamza Yusuf have had great conversations together. Ayaan is not thoughtful enough, as an outsider to the issue of “Islam.”
Intellectual? Sam Harris will do.
@@TheShootist I think you missed what my comment was about!
Hirsi's evaluation was only based on whatever being portrayed mainstream media, even that is only on surface level.
Utmost admiration and respect for Ayaan. Hirsi Ali.
I am a very big fan of Ayaan Hirsa Ali. She is a true Feminist.
I am sensing a link between this and the moral relativism that is hiding in the logos/morals of people's everyday philosophy.
At 6:00, when Dr. Peterson asked if there was an Islamic equivalent to idea of the intrinsic value of the human beings and equality among human beings?
Just Google human equality in Islam and here it is in the Hadith and the Quran:
"All humans are descended from Adam and Eve," said Muhammad in his last known public speech. "There is no superiority of an Arab over a non-Arab, or of a non-Arab over an Arab, and no superiority of a white person over a black person or of a black person over a white person, except on the basis of personal piety and righteousness."
and
"O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Aware.” Quran 49:13
I love Dr Peterson and I hope he doesn't keep bringing on these zionist agents such as Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Gad Saad or even Ben Shapiro, Milo or Sam Harris. These people are merely mouth pieces for the devil, they come to talks with an agenda and have no interest in furthering ideas and discovering the truth. They already know some of the truth and they reject it.
What i think is that Islam resembles Christianity 600 years ago because Christianity predates Islam by that much, so maybe this is just the general course that the Abrahamic religions take.
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To clear up some ignorance on this topic I'd recommend having Yasir Qadhi on the podcast
I believe she's talking about the "bigotry of low expectations"
Culture? Polytheist crossworshippers, know that:
1. Your man-god was the first gender changer in the 1st century for turning itself into a baby and then a man with genitals.
2. The 1st human sacrificer of it's own kid as itself in a shapeshifting trinity.
Conclusion:
You have no argument against gender change, abortion or illuminati or pizza gate. Your illegitimate, gender changing baby-man-god was far worse.
Footnote:
And it couldn't help or save itself from its enemies, hence unable to save deluded polytheist crossworshippers.
"Bigotry of low expectation" is nonsense and a supremacist way of thinking. Basically I have to meet your expectations but you don't have to meet my expectations.
@Sara Jamil At 6:00, when Dr. Peterson asked if there was an Islamic equivalent to idea of the intrinsic value of the human beings and equality among human beings?
Ayaan knows that there is, however, being the brainwashed zionist devil she is, she can't share that with Dr. Peterson. Just Google human equality in Islam and here it is in the Hadith and the Quran:
"All humans are descended from Adam and Eve," said Muhammad in his last known public speech. "There is no superiority of an Arab over a non-Arab, or of a non-Arab over an Arab, and no superiority of a white person over a black person or of a black person over a white person, except on the basis of personal piety and righteousness."
and
"O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Aware.” Quran 49:13
Binary vision essentialisation simplistic answers to complicated questions emotions talk
If modernity is to become like USA, France and Scandinavia counteries so i prefer old school.
I don't know why Muslims always get so defensive at the slightest criticism of Islam. I'm a commited Christian and I don't agree with every characterization of Christianity by Jordan Peterson but that's no big deal because I understand he's engaging in intellectual discourse and I don't expect him to understand everything I do about my faith. I don't see the need for bashing and name calling of the guest and refering people to be interviewed out of religious sentiments. It's not a religious discourse but an intellectual one. By the way they're looking at Islam from a cultural and pragmatic perspective, how it has shaped the society and affected people's lives and played out in the real world. They're not discussing statements of doctrines and beliefs in Islam.
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Because Christianity gets the same amount of demonization Islam does?
@@abdallaosama574 I suppose you meant Christianity doesn't get the same amount of demonization as Islam. If that's the case which is true I guess it's abundantly clear Christianity does not have much atrocities to answer for that has been done in its name as opposed to Islam. Also the the statements of doctrine in Christianity are clear on the prohibition of violence while Islam is ambiguous on that and generally leans towards being radical.
@@zebulunkehndo42 So where is the line or the scale you're using to decide who made more atrocities? And what atrocities rank higher than others? If you think Christian scriptures doesn't have anything about violence then you don't know about the old testament.
@@abdallaosama574 The OT is not Christianity in the sense of the word with respect to Christ's teachings and life but a precursor to it.
The events seen as atrocities in the OT are not atrocities but acts of God's judgement on sinners which Israel herself who was chosen as the 'tool' for God's judgement and revelation of His nature was no exception to His judgement when they indulged in the same things for which the nations around them were destroyed for.
So when I talk of atrocities committed in the name of Christianity I refer to those which were perpetrated when Christianity was used as a political tool by Rome
But if they are equal, why do they need to be specially treasured and uplifted? Wouldn't that apply to everyone?
That is exactly Ayaan's point. I fully agree with her.
I like JP personally, but i have yet to see you having a dialogue with Islamic intellectuals
Folk remain tribal at hearth regardless of religion.
AYAAN HIRSI ALLI, ALLWAYS PERTINENT. BRAVO AND THANKYOU.
I really enjoy watching your videos,they are highly informative. But I believe if you want to learn the islamic aspect of equality i would request you to do a podcast with a Muslim scholar like yasir qadhi, Noman ali khan etc.
This lady ( hi Ayaan !) makes more sense than the geezer!
If confusion were a man he would immediately propose to Ayan Ali!
I've heard Slavoj Zizek make the same argument as Ayaan Hirsi Ali makes here.
Which part? I loved Slavoj Zizek's discussion with JBP.
@@katalinkish9081 I think he best expresses his idea here in this 6 minute clip:
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You get a couple of good jokes as a bonus :-)
... Well, Terence McKenna said that what our present culture amounts to, is good table manners plus genocide.
Interesting viewpoint: Ali gave the idea that people who enact white guilt, ones who preach that the Western white imperialism and its men is the ONLY one to blame for all ill will befallen unto the others, and that THEY are ONLY ones to absolve it all - that it gives a sense of them wanting to be superior over the others, for only the Westerners know how to do it.
It would actually explain my own encounters with such self-punishing preachers of white guilt; they want to be superior and they can do that in disguise by talking that they must undo all wrongs done to other cultures, and I am from an Inuit origin.
I dislike the preachers of white guilt, now with two major reasons to do so.
I have studied in Canada for a couple of years and it became more and more obvious that preachers of white guilt have some sort of supremacy issue themselves, no matter of which ethnicity they actually were. I have never encoutered a level-headed solution to fix issues in a rational way. There was always too much guilt involved.
If there are rational ways to deal with irrational amount of guilt then there aren't many if any. As far as I can tell, suggestion of accepting the guilt as it is, no matter the amount they think themselves there might be, and letting it be for a while might do it. For any historian will be able to tell that many cultures and civilizations had had conquering cases as the Western world, only having the scale as a difference. All have done mistakes and everyone has lost innocence but rarely ever in everyday situation is it appropriate to deem who is more or most wrong. That should be reserved for actually enacted crimes.
Edited: That should be reserved for actually enacted and currently relevant crimes that were caught.
Women had equal status in the Pagan Viking culture.
Who is she?
... Please do one on how to judge a medicine.
Yeah, JP is really good at that...
Hard to believe Jordan Peterson is being so dense wrt Islam.
As a muslim I've always accepted the fact that there will always be people attacking the doctrine of Islam. For some it is because they just hate it, for others it is because they don't understand it. Those that do not understand it are of two categories; 1. Are willing to take time to learn before they speak. 2. Will arrogantly speak with words that reek of ignorance and hate. Ayan Hirsi Ali hates Islam mainly because her parents mistreated her and the culture she comes from condones it and she projected that unto Islam and all Muslims. People must understand that Islam under the leadership of Muhammad (pbuh) met people with existing cultures, and some of those cultures were abandoned because they were in direct contradiction to Islam. During the prophet's lifetime he adjudicated between his people, he prophesied about things to come and provided guidelines/rules/laws etc.
According to Ayan she came from a culture that practices Female Genital Mutilation. And was forced to marry against her explicit wishes. And that when she wanted asylum in the US and started insulting/mocking Islam/Muslims that they threatened her.
1. FGM is definitely a cultural thing. The countries with the highest rate of the practice are mostly African and some if not most of the are not even predominantly Muslim. If you want to convince me that FGM is an Islamic practice the sources have to be the Quran or the Sunnah. If your problem is that your parents even though religious still went against Islam to do this thing then ask how about Muslims that drink alcohol, or adultery? I'm an African too, I'm a Nigerian. I came from a long line of Islamic scholars that traveled all over Africa to preach/settle. When Islam came to Kano for example the people were practicing a version of Islam diluted with their native practices.
2. In Islam it is forbidden for anyone, male or female to be "forced" into a marriage. But it is not wrong for parents to arrange marriage for their child. But the rule is the daughter can keep saying no until they find the right one or she does. There is a lot of conditions on this and could take too long but let's touch on a few. The man will see a girl and go to her father to seek permission to speak with her. The father will investigate the guy to make sure that he is the kind of man he wants for his daughter, if he finds the man acceptable he will tell the girl. The man will come to her and talk under the supervision of her family member, usually a younger sister/brother to keep both of them honest. After a few such "dates", the father will ask her if she likes him. If she says no then the father will call him and tell him to move on, but if she says yes then the father will ask him to come with his parents. Then his family will investigate her family while her family does the same to his, and if everyone is satisfied the marriage will take place. Now if your father because he doesn't want to lose face for having a daughter like you and he decided o force you, how is that Islam's fault?
3. So you insult/ridicule almost 2 billion people and you expect them to what? Celebrate and praise you? This is the part I really have an issue with. Anyone else is allowed to protect their lives, lands, honor, and culture except Muslims. If you try anything they brand you a terrorist and kill you or worse detain you in some unknown prison. Ayan I assure you that Islam doesn't need you and muslims know that. But if you want the west to pity you and give you asylum why not attack Somalia and leave Islam alone
To see a psychologist/social commentator providing someone like Ayan a platform to spread these lies and not call her out on them but also giving her this soft but precise questions really humbled me. That you can reach the intellectual caliber and your personal biases will still creep into your actions is truly humbling. And seriously Dr. do some research on Da'awah then come back and explain to us how she can write a whole book on a subject and lie this much about it and still be called a hero?
German society right now in 10 minutes
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Where's the security council from what's happening in the war-driven countries ? Isn't tht violation of human rights? Where's the initiative of the West fixing things up or Atoning for their past sins while their past sins are still their present Sins? Conflict in Yemen
Conflict in Libya
Conflict in Syria
Conflict btwn israel and Palestine
The list is long and exhausting!
Islam has no problem . If a Muslim does something bad it's the responsibility of the Muslim not Islam. If a Christian does something bad it's the fault of Christian not christianity. if a Jew or an atheist or a buddist or whatever it s the problem of the agent not the doctrine.... And if there's a religion that preaches bad stuff that's not a trustworthy religion and certainly Islam is a trustworthy religion but if the religious preaches trustworthiness and he or she himself/herself doesn't act so that's his problem not the problem of religion.
If JP tells to his students : do not watch porn it's dangerous for the brain ,detrimental for social life, degrading for health ...! And they decide to watch it and end up picking th symptoms and getting sick and start taking medication or even die , and come Society and start blaming JP rather than blaming their kids ... that's exactly analogously hw Ayan Ali judge Islam instead of judging bad Muslims... !!!
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Islamic culture? what do you mean by that? do not confuse with arabic culture. To understand about Islam is not by judging and learn from muslim society either in the past or modern, but you must read and understand from the Quran. As long you follow you all the rules and order from it. You can keep your culture as long its didn’t oppose it.
@@atheosmachina As in call it Islamic culture only if it is actually related to Islam.
@@atheosmachina Then it's not Islamic
@@atheosmachina I didn't get it, what do you mean can exist alongside Islam?
@@atheosmachina But by definition if a culture is truly born from a religion and what it says then it can't be incompatible with it. You're treating cultures as something foreign to religion but we're talking about the culture of religion itself.
@@atheosmachina And if a culture belongs to a religion then societal norms that are not part of that religion can exist but can't be contradicting with it or be above it and can't evolve beyond it. You can call it as a culture controlled by religion, and if nothing is contradicting with it then both of their existence should support each other. You can't really say "Christianity" incorporated parts of Paganism, because the religion itself will produce whatever is compatible with it and parts of itself in the culture, but the people themselves that are imbued with that culture can incorporate foreign parts into it that are not compatible with it. You're just not considering the distinction between people and between the actual religion they follow.
Did she just suggest imposing western values on minorities? Isn't that the very definition of fascism? Anyone?
If Ayan Ali were a good Muslim she would now a be a great scholar defending Islam Worldwide!
Muslims for the most part woukd never accept her just for the simple fact she is a female. Not to be seen or heard and at least in Sunni islam unfit for leadership roles?
@@amanitaeagle4211 She doesn't understand Islam at all and those who interview her intentionally turn a blind eye to her lack of educating, lack of knowledge and completely ignore her lack of references and factual data. They prop her up to deliver her misleading message because it suites their views. A good interviewer challenges his interviewee and asks for data or references unless the message suits them well. I can truly care less about those who bark against Islam. They can do it no harm. The part that bothers me the most is they are misleading others and those who are blinded accept their message without researching (searching a couple of words to support your view is not research). Most of those who took the time to understand Islam became Muslims. I invite you to read the Quran ignoring what you were taught and then judge for yourself. This is for your. If you chose not to, it will do me no harm.
@@mohammedgt8102 what she says as her personal experience from what I remember did correlate pretty much identically with my experience with the Muslim community. 🤣 she only says bad stuff bland never good but have you considered as a woman there is no good for her in Islam?
@@amanitaeagle4211 As a person who actually understands Islam, there is a lot for women in Islam. Islam elevates humanity (Men and Women). Someone who doesn't understand it will say otherwise because of lack of knowledge, what they were told or hate.
With that said, you have to distinguish between culture and religion. Many confuse the two and unfortunately a lot of Muslims do. There are plenty of traditional oppressive traditions that Islam disagrees with and even stands against that some Muslims mistakenly actually practice. Those who learn the religion know the truth and understands the difference between the two. I view culture and traditions as someone else's baggage, you can choose to follow it or decline it. I would have no opinion on that.
Bashing Islam because of confusion, lack of understanding and knowledge or blind hate is what I stand against. She can never stand for a second in front of a knowledgeable Muslim. All of her Islam bashing statements can be refuted by a 5 year old with basic knowledge. Her mission is to mislead and gain financially. She can care less about those who end up believing her. Those who want to believe her, but have a bit of intellect, would read the Quran and verify her accusations. People of intellect are sadly rare.
@@mohammedgt8102 man you wrote an book 🤣 im not reading it all but I read up to the part regarding culture and religion and ayaan definitely in her books attributes a lot of her difficulties to Islam where it's pretty clear her families pre Islamic culture and attitudes is also making her miserable. Islam definitely has issues regarding females and their rights, they are always at the mercy off men and that is completly islamic. Have you read her books? I read one and I think muslims would benefit especially men who probably never convert themselves with the lives and happiness of female Muslims
100% - Jordan for president of humanity!
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It’s like asking Satan’s opinion of God.
A tad bias 👌
man when peterson gets into his canadian shtick and apologizes for being who he was I can hardly listen
Yet you listen
The white hero complex is what Ayaan is trying to explain.
she is very intelligent
Didn't Ilhan Omar vote with her feet?
Pog
isn't slavery still legal under islamic law
Who told you that? Fox news?
Your argument is as funny as saying “prostitution is legal under christian law”
@@fonsalvarado make up your own assumption ,www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/history/slavery_1.shtml
Yes, sex slavery is allowed in Islam
She is so smart.
Ayan hirsi ali ,she isn't a legit speaker at all and lack the content on context..
Ayaan Hirsi Ali's Lies Exposed Part 1-4 czcams.com/video/Ho3BpnpAagQ/video.html&ab_channel=somaliblog
Ayaan Hirsi Ali's Lies Exposed Part 2-4 czcams.com/video/5n6r7H988Tc/video.html&ab_channel=somaliblog
Ayaan Hirsi Ali's Lies Exposed Part 3-4 czcams.com/video/gYd4mOwI5w4/video.html&ab_channel=somaliblog
Allahuakubar yr propaganda is backfiring jordan peterson & yr Friends Aysn Hirsi & Sam Harris whom you speak with REGULARLY without any muslims being there to reply.
This is Backstabbing & Slander.
And yr helping perpertrate hatred towards islam well done jordan peterson. Your true colours are showing.
If you were sincere you'd be fair. If you were sincere you'd have muslims speakers there to reply to this muslim hating troll.
If you want to understand Islam it’s David Wood you should interview.
You must be joking, its like saying “if you want to understand mexican culture its Donald Trump you should interview”
@@fonsalvarado Your analogy is ridiculous. Is Donald Trump and expert in Mexican culture ? Has he study deeply the Mexican religion to the point that he can debate Mexican scholars and defeat them ? Is he an expert at demonstrating the violent nature of the Mexican prophet and the horror he committed during his life ? Is Mexican a religion ? Has Trump demonstrated, using argument, logic and textual analysis, that the foundation of the Mexican metaphysic is flawed and contradictory ? Is Trump responsible for the conversion of hundreds or thousands of Mexicans from “Mexicanism” to Christianity ? How many Mexicans has Trump rescued from Mexicanism ?
Lol yet again oversensitive people having breakdown in comment section.😂😂😂😂
this is hilarious from Jordan to hear this nonsense.
Your profile photo and your name explain your comment.