What If Japan Embraced DEMOCRACY in the 1930s?
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Join me on a captivating journey into an alternate world where Japan remained a democratic nation in the 1930s and 1940s. In this thought-provoking video, we explore the fascinating what-if scenario of the Japanese Army not taking over, and the profound implications it would have had on World War II, the Cold War, Korea, Taiwan, and China. Imagine a Japan that maintained its democratic institutions, fostering a different approach to foreign policy, alliances, and regional dynamics. We'll dive into the potential consequences of this altered historical narrative, examining how it could have reshaped the outcomes of major global events. From the shifting balance of power in the Pacific to the intricacies of diplomatic relations, we'll analyze the ripple effects that reverberate throughout history. Don't miss out on this eye-opening exploration of a Japan untouched by military rule and the cascading impact it has on subsequent historical events. Like, comment, and subscribe for more captivating 'What If' scenarios and alternate history content.
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Okay so the Soviets still win this WW2 but I hope you forgive me😜
For the thumpnail is forgiven man. It was awesome ❤❤❤❤❤
The Soviets would have conquered the entire earth if they just had a little more faith
@@herrforesight-Satanisking and maybe also more food
@@alphaeins6560 Should've never killed those Ukrainian wheat farmers fr.💀
Soviets winning again,huh?
I guess that post on Reddit calling you a leftist probably had some truth to it,don't you agree?😕
(This is a joke. No one take this seriously please. I love your content,Possible History).
I am a military coup and I can confirm that this indeed is what would have happened
You are the activity of a coup, make sense
It's coupin' time
I loved when the militants said "It's couping time" and couped all over the place.
Truly,the greatest moment of Japanese history.
thank you mr. coup, very cool
Pls coup China
I think this is the first time I've heard about democracy in Japan before the end of WWII, was under the false impression that the WWII Japan started to become a thing shortly after opening up to the world, didn't know there was such a period in between.
Kruat made a very good video on this how Japan became a warning nation just search imperial Japan :fall of democracy
It is weird that such events took place and most westerners have never heard about it.
This may partly be due to WW2 propaganda, but you must also consider that Japan was relatively slow to liberalize, with something like less than 10% of the population voting.
To be fair the Japanese dont rlly like western culture influencing their own culture (until the end of ww2)
In my opinion Japan's fall of democracy is similar to Germany
People hated democracy since they think its western culture infiltrating, democracy gave away to squabbling so some stuff that needs to be done dragged on, they also went to war which shockingly the population didn't like and they didn't acted fast enough in the great depression. The officers of the army threw a coup since they saw an opportunity and japan is now run by the military witg emperor showa as its head.
The Japanese people accepted this because their emperor endorsed it and u don't to against ur god, the IJA is kinda right and they promise to bribg stability and prosperity and finally if u try to rebel u get imprisonment or assasinated.
So for me germany and Japan's democracy is kinda similar albeit with some differences
The fact that there was a democracy existing in the first place is one reason why America was able to build up a stable Democratic Ally in the first place, rather than turning out like Iraq or Afghanistan(Two Nations which didn't have a precedent for Democracies beforehand, and thus why they were very unstable and dysfunctional, and one of the reasons why Isis came to exist in the first place), or the initially unstable South Korea, which struggled to maintain a stable and functioning government for a while, or something like that, I don't remember the details.
Since someone already mentioned Kruat, he also made a video on why it's not easy at all to develop a Democracy
@@shonfrost8781 There are some fair points there, however there was a movement for women's equality which was picking up steam slowly. It didn't survive the turn to fascism though.
While the issue of Taiwan would be a thorn in Chinese-Japanese relations, i think post Korean Independence and Taiwan integration there is a non zero chance that Japan and China would be the France and Germany of some sort of East Asian Union. Many of the Nationalist leaders were educated in Japan and both have the same goal of resisting western and communist influence and with no WW2 related war crimes Chinese-Japanese relations would be at least marginally better than in OTL.
What is OTL?
@@gabe5819Our Time Line
well considering they absolutely suck in OTL that’s not a hard bar to pass.
Also without communism vs capitalism and North Korea vs South Korea they have far less reasons to oppose eachother.
imo taiwan is only a problem due to the old nationalist chinese government
You forgot the Great Kanto Earthquake of 1923. That was one of the main factors that led the Japanese military to take over easily.
interesting
Indeed
Someone used their TM.
Sweden was at the end of the war about to attack Germany to liberate Denmark and Norway to stop them from falling into Soviet hands but the war ended literally a few days before the invasion.
So it’s likely that Denmark and Norway would have had time to be liberated by Sweden as it took until -45 for Sweden to rebuild its military capacity and with this war taking longer they should be able to eventually go through with it.
The Philippines would become independent even earlier because the Americans set up a commonwealth there and promised them independence after 15 years. That actually got delayed due to the Japanese invasion.
Independence was only delayed by a year
Though Manila would probably be more walkable in this time line as it won't be bombed to hell
@@genghiskhan5701 y el español hubiera sobrevivido
I thought the original target year was 1943, but yeah, they were already on track for full independence.
Very true comments, and US paid for reconstruction of their new friend
@@JLAveydepends I have always heard 1944 and that it was 1936 when it really started to be a big goal since that was when there president was elected and they wanted to give them 2 terms or eight years. But more recently I have also heard some people say 1943 and 1945...
this is a weird scenario to me because not only is it modern history people are in living memory of it....I'd look it up now but I'm typing on the youtube phone app that sometimes closes when I exit.
Anyways I'm inclined to belive the 43 or 44 more then 45.
I always thought Japanese democracy fell the same way Germany's did. Schools need to teach this better
To be fair these are also not taught about in Japan itself lol
@@sharkronical Probably because they are trying to cover it up
@@sharkronicaljapan literally doesnt recognize its own war crimes, so why would this be any diff imo
@@sharkronical Asian Holocaust? What's that?
@@merrylildeath3113 wait, they are really not able to recognise their war crimes? I know teaching children that your nation used to eat corpses of your enemies would be too much for them but still.
12:00 the USA was planning on letting the Philippines have self rule in 1944 prior to the outbreak of World War II, the United States saw the Philippines as more of a headache than an asset, and just wanted several naval bases.
and to add Chiang Kai shek was very much sympathetic to Germany. I can see KMT China welcoming a lot of German refugees with them developing the country. and its military to match the Soviets and to help in the civil war which the KMT will win. and yes while Chiang Kai Shek did not like the west, he hated the communists more. So while Chiang can be a troublesome ally to the Japanese and Americans I think he still welcomes their financial and military aid. Chiang ends up playing off the Japanese and Americans against each other while confronting the Soviets.
Small issue is that the Soviets also supported the KMT with guns and whatnot. No matter if they or the CCP take over China, the Soviets win.
@@elseggs6504 in this timeline no invasion of Manchuria no 2nd sino Japanese war, nope I dont think the SOviets win since CCP does not win, since the Japanese and the USA, GB, France would rather have the KMT in power in China rather than the CCP
@@elseggs6504 Still a lot less than OTL, though.
Kuomintang China wouldn't have as close a relationship with the Soviets as with OTL PRC and would be a less reliable ally.
That said though, the Sino-Soviet split would never happen as Kuomintang China would care less about de-Stalinisation
@@ryannathaniel9296 I'd say it depends on what they'll do tbh. China could become a partner like India. Or maybe completely ignored by the soviets. Its not particularly easy to predict what the KMT would even do if they won. Would they become a rightwing dictatorship like Spain? Relent to leftwing pressure and adopt some socialist policies? Would they be less authoritarian than the CCP or be toppled by a different group altogether?
Hell, for all we know they might become the pillar of a SEATO, much like the US is for NATO.
Sun Yat-sen, the founder of KMT, was basically some kind of nat-bol so as his party. Chan Kai-shek literally made an alliance with the communists (United Front). Twice. SU foreign affairs for the KMT China was so smooth that after the full victory in 1929 it didnt want anything but status-quo. SU was giving military aid and volunteers during the sino-japanese war. SU made absolutely clear they didnt want Chan to be imprisoned or killed during Xi'an incident. It's funny, but Soviet's didnt believed in the communism in China (u know, you cant build a "modern" socialist state from the 18th century shithole. You literally have no proletariat and stuff) so most of their bets were on KMT China. They changed their mind just after the WW2 cause they understood how powerfull CCP and weak KMT had become.
One of Chan's sons (who became the president of Taiwan after the father) took an education in USSR and married a Russian woman. In the economy, Chan was a leftiest. Even when he ran on the Taiwan. Just the simple facts.
After Northern Expedition, the Kuomintang Party declared its desire to pursue a socio-economic policy in the spirit of the teachings of Sun Yat-sen. The main feature of this policy was the increasing role of the state in economic construction, which received significant support from the Chinese public.
In 1929, a new customs tariff was introduced, which ensured the protection of the Chinese market. Subsequently, the government significantly increased import duties four more times, especially on consumer goods. On May 17, 1930, it was decided to eliminate the liksin, a tax levied when crossing internal administrative borders.
In 1928, the Central Bank of China was founded, created exclusively with government funds, without the participation of private national or foreign capital. At the same time, two old banks - the Bank of China and the Bank of Communications - were turned into mixed ones by making a government share in the capital. Subsequently, the government organized a Peasant Bank.
In 1931, the National Economic Council was formed from the leaders of the public sector; two years later, almost the entire Kuomintang elite entered its governing bodies. In 1933, under the auspices of the Military Council of the Central Executive Committee of the Kuomintang, a Committee of National Resources was established to guide the construction of the military industry. In 1936, a three-year "plan for the construction of the national economy" was developed, outlining the development of a number of strategically important industries. Additional protectionist measures were taken, and production began to grow in some industries.
Through banks and the government-controlled National Economic Council and the Ministry of Industry, the forced formation of syndicates began in the mid-1930s. In the matchmaking, cement, coal and other industries, associations of enterprises were created that set prices, production and sales quotas. Control over the extraction and sale of certain minerals and the production of agricultural products
And even if we dont want to say anything about his leftwing policies and would call him a full nationalist. He would never be on the site of the people who literally made China a sick man of Earth considering all what Europe, USA and Japan did to the China. Maximum - it would become a third power in the Cold War by the 70ies (considering the fact Chan's economic policies were so much better than Mao's) and would make itself bloc or would be country-leader of the Non-Aligned Movement.
What if everything went perfect for Japan? Would love to see it as a sorta continuation lf the imujin wars video. Possibly with centuries having Korea be a fully Japanese territory, it would be interesting to see the 2nd world war if there is a way they could get somthing out of it.
Japan would likely allied with Spain or Britain or some big power to protect their own niche
as long as China exists, China will not let Japan or another nation dominate Korea,
in History, China fought anti-Gogureyo war, Battle of Baekgang, Imjin war, sino-japanese war, Korea war,
all nations in North, East and SE Asia wants to become a great regional powers, their first challenge is Chinese intervention,
No coup=No Oppenheimer which means No Oppenheimer=No Barbie. Truly the darkest timeline...
calm down mr salaryman- i mean major degurechaff
No Godzilla...
Why live?
Anime would just be unrecognizable with how the Japanese imperial state variably focuses on their sectors of national ways of life, but it sure is inevitable
If anime was gone I would be glad don't ask why and no one better complain to me about this and the world would be a little less sus
@@plesiosaurgaming465 Anything always gets more sus one way or another in any of these days
@@shinsenshogun900
That’s not true.
Anime is more tied to Tokusatsu than the political events of Japan. After all, Tokusatsu is just live action adaptation of anime with heavily emphasis on SFX and other practical effects.
Tokusatsu was the first Japanese entertainment export and steadily gained popularity even before World War 2. Unfortunately, it was heavily censored since it has too much American influence. Tokusatsu returned back to creative form in the 1950s.
Anime will still look the same thanks to survivability of Tokusatsu.
@@plesiosaurgaming465
What about Tokusatsu?
What are your thoughts on that Japanese medium?
@@whathell6t listen Buddy I don't pay attention to this ok and guess what I don't know what This is I just hate anime ok there it is the most cringe thing on earth
What if everything went perfect for Imperial Austria next!
A.E.I.O.U Lets go!
It wasn't the 'old elites' who had a hatred of the West. It the field-grade officers, fellas in their late thirties to early fifties, in the late 1920s and early 1930s and younger officers. They admired the USSR's powerful central authority (and the large military it was building but not the ideology) and later Germany's. They despised capitalism, democracy, personal liberties, and individualism. Once the UK and the US had been the most desired posting for Japan's military attaches, but it shifted to USSR and Germany.
In the military was the phenomenon of _gekokujo_ , domination of a senior by a junior, i.e. insubordination, that rarely was punished.
Old fellas like Marshal-Admiral Viscount Kato Tomosaburo (and later prime minister) were those who admired the West. He led the Japanese delegation to the Washington Naval Conference and was determined to reach an agreement because he knew an arms race would be economically ruinous for Japan. He died of cancer and his rival Kato Kanji (no relation) was able to purge the IJN of his supporters.
Hideki Tojo (44) and his Mokuyo-kai (Thursday Society) cohort were in their forties when they began to plan the military take over in 1928. In addition to its leader, Teiichi Suzuki (40) and Tojo, the group included Tetsuzan Nagata (44), Yasuji Okamura (44), Kanji Ishihara (39), and Hiroshi Nemoto (37). The discussion was summarised by Tojo: 'The primary goal of army preparations is for war with the Soviet Union. This requires as our first goal complete political control of Manchuria. It is necessary to make defensive preparations for war with the United States in case it intervenes in our war with the Russians. We do not have to make any preparations for war with China. China is important only as a place to acquire raw materials.' (The raw materials China could provide was coal [coking coal, especially], iron ore, tungsten, and tung oil.) In Jan 1928, Ishihara, who would mastermind the Manchurian Incident, told a _Mokuyo-kai_ meeting about his 'Final World War Theory' in which a final war would be fought between Japan and the US. This group and the _Futaba-kai_ (Double Leaf Society) merged to form a new association of Army officers known as the Isseki-kai (One Evening Society) faction. In June 1928, faction member Daisaku Komoto (45) engineered the assassination of Zhang. In October of the same year, as Ishihara left for Manchuria to serve as a staff officer for operations of the Kwantung Army, he declared: 'You will see [Japan] seize the whole of Manchuria without fail while I am there.' Three years later, on 18 September 1931, Ishiwara and fellow Isseki-kai member Seishiro Itagaki (43) blew up their own railroad in Manchuria, blamed it on the Chinese, and used the incident as a pretext to bring all of Manchuria under Japanese control. In both cases, senior IJA commanders and the civilian leaders in Tokyo were kept out of the loop. Subordinate officers in the Isseki-kai , that is, staff officers who made plans for and otherwise served the commanders, carried out aggressive military actions on their own that began their nation’s road to World War II.
Same deal with the assassinations of political and military leaders and attempted coups. All planned and executed by middle-aged and younger officers. For example the May 15 Incident in 1932. was perpetrated by officers in their late twenties.
The video is just as great as the thumbnail.You make the most greatest alternate history content on CZcams,man.
Really excited and curious to see how the Pakistan video will turn out.
Should definitely expect the unexpected.
Considering we never get anything nice in real life,but hopefully,soon we will.
@@yasirnazirbutt8240 We can only pray and hope,fellow compatriot.
With the way thing are going for Pakistan I doubt one day in near future possible history will make an video title "what if Pakistan didn't collaspe"
Your nation is the next Weimer republic quite literally
@@Trollge398that implies there will be some sort of empire like Austrian Painter's that would rise. Anyway, this isn't true. Pakistan has a strong nation and religious identity, stronger than ethnicity
@@Naderium what's the use of an religious identity if your nation is collapsing from all sides. Your institution have betrayed people welfare,even your army has become corrupt,and Pakistan economy is in downward serial. Tell me did religion help in keeping Bangladesh no it didn't
What if Japan sided with the Allies in WWII?
ooo that’s an interesting one
maybe Anglo-Japanese alliance doesnt fail
How would that change anything about WW2
It wouldn't change much tbh.Japan will probably just declare war on the Axis Powers,but do nothing or send its soldiers to fight in Europe or just completely stay neutral.
Either way,the Axis Powers will still lose and very earlier than our timeline.
I feel like the only way you could have this actually change anything is couple it with a scenario where the Soviets end up joining the Axis, and Japan chooses to strike into Siberia instead of into the Pacific
You truly deserve over a million subscribere man. You're among my favorites for a reason.
What if Napoleón III won the franco-prussian war?
He never answered the anime question in the thumbnail lol
But most likely it would exist as early Japanese animation was already beginning to take off in the 1920s and 30s. Without WW2 or the Military in power, anime might even come about earlier due to a lack of censorship or animation being made solely for propaganda purposes.
@DavionLoyalist
What about Tokusatsu?
What are your thoughts on that Japanese medium?
Anime is intertwined to Tokusatsu.
I think anime would still existed because inspiration of cartoons from the west in the 1930's still happened.
Pretty sure it's current form was triggered by cultural integration with western culture, while a developed nation would definitely invest in artistry it would be unrecognisable. The possiblity of a butterfly effect is so massive the premier Asian Animation style likely wouldn't exist or be as prevalent, early Japanese propaganda cartoons directly spoofed the American Rubber hose style after all.
This’ll be a really niche nitpick regarding the status of Filipino independence. Around the early 1930s, the Tydings-McDuffie Act was passed through the United States Congress, implemented 1934. It basically stated that the Philippine islands will go through a 10 year transitional period from being a U.S. Territory towards an independent nation. Obviously, this agreement never came to be since the islands were under Japanese occupation at the time of the agreed date of independence.
Without the invasion, this act’s provisions would have been fulfilled.
that’s not very niche at all, it’s a huge oversight from him
It's a constant oversight from him as well. This isn't the only time he misinterpreted the details behind Filipino independence.
Very good video keep it up
What would happen if Germany had not done the Schlieffen plan and had attacked Russia while maintaining a defensive position in France, the entry of the United Kingdom would have been delayed by a year and Italy would have taken the opportunity to join the Central Powers as in the video done by zvalid entitled "How Germany Could Win World War 1? I personally think that Italy would wait until UK joins the war and France would have made more concesions yo Italy joining the entente, like giving them corsica and all the coast of Dalmacia. What do you think Possible History?
Italy wouldn’t have made so much of a change and anyway Rome was more interested in Trento and Trieste (the latter would have never been ceded by Austria-Hungary) than in French territories
You mean "the world would be better if the axis powers won world war 2" zvallid?
@@TheEmperorYTP I think he mean him…
I think the US would've joined WWII without Pearl Harbor some time in 1942. The US Navy was already fighting an undeclared war against U-boats in the North Atlantic before Pearl Harbor. Friction like that would have inevitably lead to some kind of naval battle leading to war.
In ww2 when France fell I could see Japan offering to support the allies war effort in exchange for the French Indochina without just sending an ultimatum to annex it like they actually did. I could also see Japan keeping hold of Manchuria as a puppet state and Korea as an autonomus state in the Japanese empire.
The one thing tht a democratic Japan would never have tolerated would hae League of Nationsve tolerated was the spread of Nazi influence. The Japanese would have made an arrangement with the Netherlands on the Dutch East Indies (Indonesia) to that effect. soon after the swift fall of the Netherlands in 1940 to the Demonic Reich..
I could also see japan just snatching a few german islands
4:41
thats what i adore about your videos
creativity
Interwar althist still feels kinda underrated imo.
edit: also this is EXACTLY what an alternate history video should be. It covers a kinda niche topic, good quality video that sneaks in an otl lesson on the situation. Amazing.
Honestly i think japan could have held korea. Its right next to them and the communist fear would stop the west from pressuring them into leaving it. It would probably be like a japanese kurdistan. Maybe later china could force them out of it but they would take a while to be powerful enough to do that.
oh how I’ve waited for a video like this
Truly the most blessed timeline
Yay new video! Happy Saturday everybody! :)
I will always love your videos
I have some concerns with your Kuomintang China though. Why are you so sure that Chang Kai-shek would be in power and unite country into OTL territorial shape? His position as leader wasn't stable prior to Japan invasion and there were plenty of people like Wang Jingwei who oppose him to the extent of open rebellion. If it wasn't for the common enemy (domestic or foreign), I doubt Kuomintang wouldn't face another split and civil war in the 40s. And even if Kai-shek will manage to somehow get upper hand again, I do not think he will face same kind of apathy in OTL from rest of the world about forced reunification with Tibet and Uyghuristan - USSR definetly will oppose it to secure its eastern borders.
I just don't see any timeline in which the Japanese willing give up control of Korea without being bombed into the stone age first. The French fought basically to the breaking point of their state to hold on to Algeria despite it being a ridiculous goal given the wide differences between French and Algerian culture. Japanese and Korean culture by contrast is very close, especially around 1940. Eventually sufficient protest might lead to independence but definitely not before the end of the cold war, alongside a global reset as happened in our timeline, and honestly it might never happen.
The only point that this timeline's Japan would give up Korea is if a modernized and developed China pressured them to do so
At that point, Algeria wasn't a French colony, but instead a full district of France. Meaning that the French could lose all European territory but still be around if they kept Algeria. So it makes sense that they would fight as hard as they did.
Love ur videos
This Man disserves more. Edit: Subscribers.
Must Say you are pretty creative with your ideas.
good video
What if the Tatenokai Rebellion of 1970 succeeded, giving absolute power back to the Emperor rather than the military?
I see your videos so often that I didn't even notice I wasn't subscribed until you mentioned it in your video lol
11/10 on the thumpnail man!❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Atrocious atrocities
10/10 Thumbnail
It's crazy that the military literally just went and did things on its own without even getting government consent.
Ok, but how would Japan react to the invasion of Poland? They were close allies, and even in our own timeline, Japan condemned Germany and evacuated some Polish people to Japan from both German occupation and Siberia
If you know anything about Japan in the 1920s you know that this timeline would not at all have resulted in anime being gone, thankfully.
terrific
12:05 The US had actually guaranteed Philippine independence by 1948 long before the war. The process would be later, but the US only kept the islands for fear of Germany and Japan taking them in 1900.
the first thumbnail was better tbh...
CZcams disagrees...
@@possiblehistory fair enough, the algorithm must be hard to read tame,
Also daaaaaamn, Possible History responded to me, MOM IM FAMOUS-
he removed the anime from the thumbnail 😳
I would like to recommend a concept for a new series you could do. The idea is that you take the place of a historical leader, and you choose what decisions to make as that historical leader based on what would be the most beneficial for the nation the historical leader you chose ruled over. The way you would go about doing this is you would base your decisions off of the knowledge you had at your disposal at the time. For example, you could do a video where you take the place of Louis XIV and you choose how you would expand the size, influence and power of France in the 17th and 18th centuries. Or you could take the place of Louis XV and decide how you could preserve the French empire in America and India. Perhaps you could even take the place of Louis XVI and decide how you could prevent the french revolution if you were in his position. A criticism you could levy at this idea is that it’s too similar to the series you’re already doing on “What if everything went perfectly for X”, but I disagree. Firstly, this series is about making decisions as a single person, not for an entire nation over the course of hundreds of years. Secondly, with your “What if everything went perfectly for X” series, you utilize the benefit of hindsight. With this series, you limit yourself to the knowledge of your chosen leader. You Don’t HAVE to do it this way, you could utilize the benefit of hindsight for this series too, but limiting yourself this way would help differentiate this series from your “What if everything went perfectly for X” series. You might as well try this idea on for a video and see how it performs. If it performs badly, you don’t have to continue it. But if it performs well, you could have another successful series on your hands. It is low risk, high reward. With how many historical leaders there are, the possibilities for this series are limitless! Some ideas for historical leaders to make videos on are Seleucus, Justinian, Louis the Pious, John I, Charles V, Phillip II of Spain, Charles XII, Peter III, Napoleon, Charles X, Napoleon III, Kaiser Wilhelm II, and so many more!
Finally a serious video.
Don't understand me wrong the other videos were fun too but I missed this sort of videos.
Please continue this scenario.
You play more realistically than I do with alternate history, what are your thoughts on what the world would like if the early 20th century European alliance system had Germany, Britain and France as allies, with Austria, Russia and the Ottoman's each more or less on their own?
I think china would be much different. Much of the setup for china in ww2 was influenced by the Japanese. Even the rise of the kuomintang might be radically different, if they would even be in power. Perhapse the zhili, Fengtian, or even anhui clique would be able to remain in power. Maybe the Feng Yuxiang's coup failed without japanese support, and we would have a Zhili-led china, perhapse even with puyi as a weak emperor. Truth be told, the warlord era of china would be change to a unrecognizable extend without the Japanese interventions.
Nice. You realzied that past 1910, Anime is inevitable.
I love that sketch drawing of the Japanese Diet in session its very detailed
Subscribed.
Finally a normal possible history video
For a second, I thought the video was called "What if Anime didn't seize power in Japan" and thought it would be another joke scenario.
Will the Pakistan video come out next?I hope it will.
I think I’d like to see what Hanover and Britain remained in personal union
No actually, America had already been planning to leave the Philippines before the war and was planning on giving the Philippines independence in 1944 if the US hadn't gotten dragged into WW2. My expectation is that those plans and promises still would have gone into effect in this timeline.
Regarding the Philippines, given what I read, I don't think the Americans wouldn't stay in the country much longer than IOTL, in fact it might even leave the country a bit earlier. The Tydings-McDuffie Act (officially the Philippine Independence Act) of 1934 stipulated that the Philippines should gain independence after a ten-year transitionary period and the 1935 constitution which was drafted and which was used during the Commonwealth of the Philippines period, was intended to allow for that process.
So if the Tydings-McDuffie Act is still signed, Filipino independence might happen a year earlier than in our timeline, since there isn't the Japanese occupation is avoided.
Yes, Filipino independence was guaranteed regardless of what Japan does.
NOOOOOO, YOU GOT RID OF THE ANIME GIRL FROM THR THUMBNAIL!!!!!
The hardest choices require the strongest wills....
What if history went perfect for Britain 🇬🇧
my country wouldnt exist then 😢 (ireland)
It already did (mostly)
Taiwan had a bigger population than just one million as you mentioned. By the end of WW2, there were roughly 6 million people in living in Taiwan, slightly less than 10% of them are ethnic Japanese. I can imagine without a war, Taiwan would slowly integrate into Japan over time, the way Okinawa did over the centuries (since 1609 Satsuma invasion, and formal annexation in 1879). There wasn't significant independence movement in Taiwan pre-1945, unlike the case in Japanese occupied Korea.
We have always been at war with Eurasia.
Tifa Lockheart was never on the thumbnail.
This seems like a potentially great scenario! The transition of the Warsaw Pact to an extension of NATO would be very similar to our timeline, except China doesn't go communist and the Red Scare doesn't happen. A big thing you forgot about was nuclear explosives. Are they seen as the deterrent to war as in our timeline or as just another weapon? Is the Cold War cold or hot?
What if everything went perfect for Portugal
Depending on "when" things begin to turn perfect, realistically by the middle/end of the 19th century:
- Portugal modernizes early with bigger investment in industry, our monarchy irl was too conservative when it came to industrial investments.
- Portugal with Galiza (Galicia in Spanish) and Olivença (Olivenza in Spanish), idk how we could have gotten those, maybe in some rebellions or in a different WW1 or WW2.
- Portugal gets the Pink Map.
- Portugal owns Cape Verde and São Tomé and Príncipe in the same style as France owns French Guiana (big strategic blunder we made post 1974)
- Portugal creates its own "Commonwealth" with their previous colonies, in this case Angola, Mozambique, Guinea-Bissau, Timor-Leste, etc, and the territories in between them since we got the pink map.
- Portugal retains their monarchy and avoids a whole century of political instability and fascist dicatorships.
- Another point would be that maybe with an increase of colonists to our African colonies (due to higher population and maybe less migration to Brazil), when they got their independence the white colonists could have stayed there instead of leaving for the mainland (search "Retornados") forming countries similar to South Africa and their apartheid and having better relations to Portugal due to their white heritage, but that's up to debate.
- Stronger modern economy by fixing many modern political blunders. Better infrastructure from North to South, better train connections and high speed connections to Spain/Madrid, a (the) new airport in Lisbon with the new bridge too, better investment in our sea resources also due to us having 2 more archipelagos and one of the biggest SEE in the world. We could have been basically the Netherlands when It comes to economic power in Europe.
- Militarily speaking, we could have been a much bigger naval power too, maybe an aircraft carrier and with better salaries we wouldn't have the current problems we have where people don't want to go to the armed forces.
- Since we are much richer we could have a small space program integrated with ESA, to justify our roots of being explorers.
- Due to our higher economic potential and our economy being more integrated into the "Portuguese Commonwealth" countries, the 2008 crisis could have affected us less, avoiding problems such as young people leaving the country and declining birth rates as high as we have today.
More things could have been changed but I think these are the major points I would change so that everything goes perfect for Portugal.
@@cavalexu seem like a Portugal enjoyer
+1
@@shivanshna7618 just a Portuguese person sad with the state of our country.
What if Harald hardrada became emperor of Byzantium
I feel bad every time I see those “most of you aren’t subscribed” clips; and then remember I’m one of the small percentage and can’t do any more :(
Nice video, but I wish it was more descriptive. For instance, what Prime Minister as Japan had 64, what was the 1912 incident? If you meant the 1912 Japanese General Election, the pro-government political party Rikken Seyukai (not military,) established by Moto Sori Ito Hirobumi, won 209 out of 381 seats. In addition, the military is not the only ones to have a say, there also needs to be opinions from other ministers. An example of this are the gozen kaigi and the previous renraku kaigi. Overall, nice theoretical video.
5:56 yeah I'm going to need source for that because the Prime Minister at the time was a retired general who had only been out of the service for four years at that time.
I think the pact between with the UK and Japan would remain in tact in this timeline
That thing was already ended before Japanese democracy collapsed, thanks to heavy diplomatic opposition from the dominions and the USA. Anglo-Japanese relations would remain quite cordial but this scenario doesn't change the fate of their pact.
The Philippines likely ends up becoming a state. As they had wanted statehood before becoming independent. It gives America a claim on the South China sea. Which as we know today has oil. We know America would tap into those deposits. I don't see how China doesn't become communist in this timeline perhaps missing Manchuria and Mongolia. So it would be a smaller China, but it would still likely have the issue with Taiwan.
Hey possible history, can you make an alternate history video where instead of the smaller Germany solution (Germany unifies without Austria included in the late 19th century) the greater Germany solution (Germany unifies with Austria included in the late 19th century) ended up happening? This scenario is very interesting to me but I do not have enough knowledge of the time period to properly construct a timeline myself.
It wasn’t possibile because Austria was against a United Germany
@@ciii4361 well what if Austria lost its non-german lands (say the Hungarian revolt succeeded and the rest of ethnic minorities left in their wake)? If something like that were to happen then I think Germany could have unified with Austria included. This is feasible, isn't it?
@@nitishkumarjurel241 in this case it would depend on Prussian will to include Austria.
But I didn’t think about this situation, so thanks 😄
Is the Pakistan video coming out soon?
I don't really see how the soviets could have won the war. The eastern front success was due to soviet manpower, british intelligence and US industry, and while the US would most likely supply military gear, they couldn't possibly supply as much as in our timeline without a war economy. I love your videos but this is something impossible to do, at some point the front would have devolved into trench warfare and a stalemate, then it was just a matter of time to who would fell earlier, and I just think both states would have collapsed more or less at the same time.
And giving the soviets land that they didn't even occupy it's ridiculous, even more with the global fear of communism.
When will the Pakistan video come out?
There's no way Japan won't take Manchuria; first, China's own weakness in exercising sovereignty over the territory; second, Manchuria's position as a bulwark against the Soviet Union or China; third, Japan at the time suffered from food insecurity, the case goes beyond greed, it is about national security in a turbulent world of the Great Depression; fourth, even the bastion of liberalism, the British Empire, closed its markets, there is not a single chance that Japan will survive this period without great economic suffering and problems with the international balance of payments; Fifth, however well intentioned the Emperor and other elites may be to preserve democracy or the Rule of Law, this is the era of the crisis of liberalism, if Japan's most liberal elites want to preserve liberal institutions they must be proactive, not reactive, and one way to be proactive is to show a path to success, deliver victories, and Manchuria is such a victory. One of the reasons for the military's great prestige is how successful the move to take Manchuria was for the Japanese economy, so expect the Japanese civilian government to take the lead in taking Manchuria; In conclusion, the only way for liberal institutions to be preserved in Japan is if they deliver success as understood at the time, which was urbanization, industrialization, and national power, and in a country like Japan, requires a colonial empire. Of the three possibilities for building a colonial empire, the European colonies, Soviet Siberia and China, the last is the only viable route other than something extra-ordinary like the Germans taking over Moscow or London. So a vast Sino-Japanese war is inevitable unless the Japanese without the American umbrella realize that in twenty years there will be Chinese forces in southern Korea or Taiwan.
One more thing, oil. American will embargo japan anyway. If american behave the way it did in cold war against ussr, american will experience oil shortage and japan would be force to buy oil from ussr, this will put our alternate japanese system under a heavy pressure as ussr only give oil for communist influence like in the western europe in our timeline
Easy answer a House of Lords (like the UK) for former Noble/Samurai families. Gives those disgruntled groups that swarmed to the military a place of power
No Communist invasion of Tibet LETS GO
Only real chads will remember that the video used to be called why didnt the military take power in japan
Wow, I’m somewhat early? Awesome.
The Soviets are given a lot of credit, but without the United States in the war, no matter how much Japan is, it would not have been possible to bomb German industry, in addition to the fact that Great Britain does not have the real capacity to land more than Silicon and even less in France, it would be a lot of resources for Germany, making the USSR eventually stagnate, and any attack it makes will be very expensive.
Should President Roosevelt not have sabotaged oil trade at the Singaporean Strait, Japan wouldn't have attacked Pearl Harbour. War is triggered by resource exploration and power exploitation that leads to bilateral conflict.
And if Japan hadn't invaded everyone Roosevelt wouldn't have sanctioned it. War was triggered by a fascist government and uncontrolled military.
I saw this other comment that pointed out a very important point but they really didn't elaborate on it enough. Sweden was planning to invade and liberate both Denmark and Norway (Operation Radda Denmark) but it was deemed unnecessary as it was 1945 and Germany was basically gone. With more American equipment being sent to Sweden instead of used by the Americans Sweden could've invaded, liberating Denmark from Soviet influence but also invaded Northern Germany which would have possibly created a larger West Germany. With an actual Swedish intervention in the war on the side of the Allies I could see the nation becoming far more militaristic and West aligned.
The amazing this about this though is Japan's military industry would have likely been primarily being focused on being improved. So more modern vehicles of modern designs such as the Type-4 Chi-To, Type-5 Chi-Ri I and II as well as Ho-Ri would have been built. Since Japan could focus on further improving and strengthening their equipment and learning a lot from their supposedly allies.
Great video, but I would really like to know if the soviets collapse and what happens if that happens.
The soviets would likely have a larger chance of winning the cold war, especially if Dday and torch never happen, and stalinist politicians may have more power due to the increased gravity of stalin's accomplishments, removing much of the ideological and political instability of OTL
Future video idea: what if Britain sided with Germany during WWI?
Such a scenario would likely require France to win the Franco-Prussian war which historically resulted in the founding of Germany in 1871. With France remaining a dominant European player, Britain would be inclined to side with Prussia in their standard "maintain power balance" thing while France tightens relations with Russia in light of growing Anglo-Prussian rapprochement.
@@gengarzilla1685 Not necessarily. Anglo-German relations were still friendly until Wilhelm II's reign, since he wanted a navy to rival Britain. France still was Britain's main perceived rival until the early 20th Century
It's true that Britain and Germany only began falling out with Wilhelm II's aggressive posturing, but regardless of that, France beating Prussia has prevented the creation of the powerful German Empire and instead strengthened the hand of the surviving Second French Empire. In this scenario, Wilhelm II, now merely King of Prussia, would not be in a position to naval-race the British when they and Prussia have clear mutual foreign enemies in France and Russia.
What I'm saying is, I believe the later Anglo-German fallout wouldn't happen if France won that war, because Britain and Prussia now have overriding geopolitical causes to remain friendly beyond Wilhelm I's death.
possible history on his way to make another ww2 scenario where the soviets achieve near total victory
Cool
Thanks for the video. I'm living in a country that used to be colonized by Japan, and yet the school didn't teach this (I mean the historical fact one, not the what if scenario)
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I think Korea can be integrated, similiar to a PLC situation, Korea has autonomy but is part of Japan. Also their economy shouldnt be weaker but stronger, as there was no destruction of Japan, they can keep growing, and theres likely a far less of an issue with population for Japan as they didnt lose men to war in this timeline as well which all leads to a larger population and economy, Japan is still likely to modernize further
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I don't know if you take video requests from CZcams, but could you do what if the Soviet Union never rose to power?
The point of departure could be the new government after overthrowing the Tsar exits the war or the war ends earlier. Either way, the communists wouldn't have the popularity to overthrow the democratic government and it would be forced to stay as a fringe political party.
I could see Socialism not being demonized as heavily in the west during the 1900s without the glaring boogeyman of the USSR so some socialist policies would be normalized in western culture, such as universal healthcare in the USA or an expansion of Civil Liberties.
Alot of countries probably wouldn't have their democratic governments overthrown, like Persia and the wars of Vietnam and Korea probably never would have happened. Without this history of interventionism, I could see the Middle East being more stable (at least marginally) but I could also see there being significant push-back against the more socialist policies leading to the rise of Fascism in more places, such as Britain.
I can still see the US and Japan going to war in the Pasific, as it was one of those things that was inevitable given the path Japan was going down at the time, but maybe WW2 doesn't occur in Europe with the Nazi's being less popular as a counter against Communism, but still becoming prominent.
I really don't see why Japan couldnt keep Korea, they have the militaristic and nationalist attitude to put up with any of the issues that may ocassionally come up with the colony and are in a close and important location to the islands.
I mean, this argument essentially has Japan being about as nationalist as Britain, valuing their military and lauding their institutions, but still knowing when to fold when their geopolitical goals aren't realistic anymore. Rising anti-colonial sentiment and a declining economy in Britain led to their abandonment of India, one of the largest and resource richest countries in the world--the same in Japan could totally lead to letting go of a smaller country like Korea, especially if they still got to keep Taiwan. Really, I think the main things that this nationalism would change is that the Emperor would keep a bit more power and Japanese culture would be less radically anti-war than it is in our own timeline.
@@demilembias2527 Britain had two world wars behind them, was basically bankrupt and on the pocket of the US which was against the overt colonialism of Europe, Japan here would have basically sat back while everyone burned themselves down and would have the money and will to go on with their domain for longer, if not in perpetuity.
@necromater6656 Japan is a very resource poor but populous and industrious country, meaning that they generally have relied on resources from outside in order to maintain a wealthy economy. Their fascist military government wanted to get around this by conquering territories with raw materials, like Indonesia and Indochina, but after they lost in OTL they got around this by having a ton of US investment and access to all their trade goods.
In this timeline, Japan would be relatively wealthy, probably, but wouldn't be getting massive investment or US oil, so they wouldn't even remotely have unlimited money. In other words, they'd be like Britain. Furthermore, Korea was a colony they had because of colonialist prestige and racism reasons, not because it gave them lots of resources. As these sentiments began to be criticized in a liberal democracy, and probably as mass media from around the world started showing the unfairness of Korean occupation, this sentiment would probably grow. I could see something like the troubles happening there, too, which would make governing it harder. Basically, after the age of colonialism, Japan would have no reason to keep its colonies and not just do things like engineer coups in places like Indonesia to get them favorable trading deals or whatever.
if Japan manages to keep Korea, their next target will be Manchuria and Huabei/Northern China,
so as long as China existed and be united, China will fight against Japan in Korea at all cost,
so basically, korea becomes the Ireland of Japan?
7:21, small error, but the map is wrong. Your map is pre WW1, put the Great Depression, and Japan’s economic crisis didn’t happen until the 20’s.
I also wonder if China would fully unify. There are many cultural differences between the Chinese peoples (there are for example there are 56 recognised ethnicities, 7-10 langauge *families* and almost 300 different dialects making up those families) and while I see japan and America supporting the nationalists against eh communists I also see them supporting regional indepedance of atleast the larger minorities within China.
Even if all the sintic langauges and culture remain "Chinese", you still have the Tibetans and Uyghurs (the most obvious), but also the Zhuang. And the sintic langauges are often not mutually intelibale so atleast some could develope separatism especially fo encouraged.
Only Tibet would remain independent. The rest of China was held by warlords who cares less about the local cultures and more on enriching themselves and remaining in power
Sinitic languages have different dialects, but they have same writing system, same historical record, same political system from Qin Dynasty,
so they have commun identify for millenniums,
other enthic minorities are mixed with the Hans, so hard to separate,
Tibet, Inner Mongolia, Xinjiang have distinct geography, but they are near Han Chinese core lands, their population and productivity is much lower, so the Hans can easily control these regions,
unlike India for UK, Algeria for France or Siberia for Russia,
there will have a leader like Zhu Yuanzhang or Mao Zedong to unify China again and again,
Anime truly was one of japan's greatest gifts.
But Japan's history is even better