Once you pick it the first time, if you only turn it halfway between the next set position, you could use the multitool then and not have to pick it again.
I picked my first tubular lock last weekend. I had never practiced on a lock that I owned. My first tubular pick was in the wild at work (for a purpose sanctioned by my company). It took me about half an hour for three picks to rotate it far enough to unlock the lock from a computer. I had to machine my own tensioner and pick.
@@livvylouise114 I’m sorry, this probably won’t help but for a tensioner I used a small Allen wrench that I ground down from six sides to four sides that fit perfectly into the square notch in the core. For a pick I used a thin straight hardened steel pin and put a handle on it. I have access to large fairly incredible mechanical and electronic prototype labs so I just made them.
I started tubular locks by SPP so when I got a set of those 3 tube picks I was thrilled I only have to pick it once, plus I have a pattern I can use to decode it. BTW: if you open the glass display where they keep the slingshots and pellet guns at Canadian tire stores, and pick up and examine the products, they get really irritated and lock it up again.
Nice pick. I have not had the opportunity to try a tubular lock yet, but it looks interesting. Could you do a video on the bilock. I realise they are not too common your way but I would love to see your approach. I can make one or two available to if needed. HG.
Yikes. I never knew this type of vending lock was so easy to pick. My bosses at the big vending company I worked took key security and accountability very seriously. Each vending route was supposed to have their own key and keys were regularly inventoried and extra keys confiscated. Also, if the pip on the tubular keys was worn down, they key was replaced. This prevented pulling the key out before the lock was fully re-locked or left in the unlocked position.
You might be surprised that back in the day getting keys was as easy as going to Coke and paying $1.50 plus tax for a duplicate key. And while one person was at the parts counter a friend, or friends could walk around collecting a few extra keys. They were either hanging out of the lock, or in the key return. At the time there were 40 keys total. CAV 1-20 for Cavalier machines, and DN 1-20 for Dixie Narco machines. All of the locks had the key number stamped on the face. RC Cola had 3 keys RC 1-3 Pepsi wasn't like that. No key numbers and they wouldn't sell replacement keys. Dr. Pepper machines were Cavalier or Dixie Narco and had the same keys as Coke. Tom's Snack vending machines took 2 different keys to open, one for the door, and one for the coin box. And they only had 2 different versions. You couldn't buy them so you had to come across them in various ways. Laundry mats with tubular keys had locks with ZB 1-10 but they had different keys for different locks. The coin box used one key and the rectangle lid that accessed the mechanism was different, and almost always was a ZB-3. You could wash for free if you had a ZB-3 key. You could buy old machined, or junk machines and they usually came with keys. Laundry
Once you get it picked and turned a little, you could use the standard tubular pick to "impression" a key. Then you wouldn't have to hand pick it again, over and over.
That's an interesting tool - like how it has a warded lock try-out key at one end. I've read somewhere that once you pick a tubular lock you can improvise a "key" by jamming something like a business card in the slot. No idea if it works, not got a tubular lock to try it on.
Nice job! I practice on a Southord 8 pin tubular picked it twice clockwise to open I assume now I must go counter clockwise twice to original position to be able to use key again? No luck so far! Wondering if heavier tension is needed?
Hi David Hope all is well Big shot rarely replies to anyone! You have to pick it in opposite direction to get it back to original position to be able to get key to work. It takes time especially when you have to pick it back more than once! Stay well 🙏
are these relatively easy or hard to pick for common thieves ? i just bought an e-scooter and i bought a simple bike lock that is using 4 number code combination instead of a key to open and my co-worker advised me not to use these kinds because they are very easy to pick im currently thinking about buying a xiaomi break disc lock which has similar tubular keys
I NEED the US locksmiths made tubular tensioner tool !! Sparrow's is not as long and does not have the leverage STRENGTH to do the job!!??? Or should i spray a LUBE inside the ACE lock ?? It's probably 43 yrs old but worked fine when I had the key ... ugh 😩
I would appreciate if you tried picking some abus security lock for snowmobiles, motorbikes and things like that. The big ones with some plastic protection and so on
Mabe I just got very lucky or the lock was broken or fake but I have opened an ace II with the impressioning tool. It took a lot longer than any other I have opened with it but it did eventually open and I was able to do it three different times. Like I said mabe fake or broken idk mabe after too much use the varying spring tensions could eventually become the same as the springs wear?
I have a Vault gun safe (single gun). It is biometric and has a tubular lock, with the number 13 on it. The battery went dead and the key is misplaced. Are you able to help?
I need help!!! My daughter locked our pop machine and lost the key!😡 I couldn’t pick it, so I drilled it out. Now, how do I get the T handle out without a lock?
That's how I used them the first time I got one of those multipin tube picks. I didn't know how to use it the right way so I just used it to tension and SPP it with the 7 picks.
@@dl200010 sure they can, and when your done you have your impression. But the thing is...because the pins are so stiff to move, it's hard to feel the clicks and easy to push too hard and go past the shear line. So it might take a few tries. But I thought of something else after watching this video... if you SPP it the way he did, only turn it halfway to the next position, then you can use the tool to impression it and don't have to pick it multiple times.
Yes, according to video 68. It makes since it can. Once you rotate the pins in between the locking points you should be able to take your pick and get your impression.
Couldn't you pick it as you do here, then use the tubular pick to impression it when the pins are between positions? I'd think that would be quicker, and you'd have a "key"
That's how I used my first tubular multipin pick. I didn't know how to use it, so I just used it for tension and used the 7 picks to SPP it. I thought that was how you were supposed to use it, and the only advantage was you only have to pick it once, then can turn it all the way and also have an impression to decode it.
Instead of locking it into the first pin position why didn’t you just impression it with your tool then you’d have a key. I do this all the time. then just tighten the knob down.
![[4] An Attack Methodology for Tubular Locks!](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/rKCP6lzPTzs/mqdefault.jpg)
![[4] An Attack Methodology for Tubular Locks!](/img/tr.png)
![[1432] Inside Perspective: Picking Serrated Pins](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/muPJjTBuYHY/mqdefault.jpg)
I like how you can really see his "heavy tension" technique here with that wrench.
I guess I am kind of randomly asking but do anyone know of a good site to stream newly released series online ?
@Kason Hendrix thank you, I signed up and it seems like they got a lot of movies there :D I appreciate it !
@Vance Jeremy You are welcome :D
Once you pick it the first time, if you only turn it halfway between the next set position, you could use the multitool then and not have to pick it again.
Rock solid. like your described lock pins. I like it
I picked my first tubular lock last weekend. I had never practiced on a lock that I owned. My first tubular pick was in the wild at work (for a purpose sanctioned by my company). It took me about half an hour for three picks to rotate it far enough to unlock the lock from a computer. I had to machine my own tensioner and pick.
What’d you use as tensioner and pick?
@@livvylouise114 I’m sorry, this probably won’t help but for a tensioner I used a small Allen wrench that I ground down from six sides to four sides that fit perfectly into the square notch in the core. For a pick I used a thin straight hardened steel pin and put a handle on it. I have access to large fairly incredible mechanical and electronic prototype labs so I just made them.
I started tubular locks by SPP so when I got a set of those 3 tube picks I was thrilled I only have to pick it once, plus I have a pattern I can use to decode it.
BTW: if you open the glass display where they keep the slingshots and pellet guns at Canadian tire stores, and pick up and examine the products, they get really irritated and lock it up again.
Your post has been flagged for violation of rule 2
awesome! i picked my First Tubular lock today, It was a Burgwächter additional Safe lock. nice little video!👍😊
Very nice, I have not ventured into tubular locks...yet!
Nice pick. I have not had the opportunity to try a tubular lock yet, but it looks interesting. Could you do a video on the bilock. I realise they are not too common your way but I would love to see your approach. I can make one or two available to if needed. HG.
Great picking brother as always and thanks for sharing it with us
Another great pick😀
Yikes. I never knew this type of vending lock was so easy to pick.
My bosses at the big vending company I worked took key security and accountability very seriously. Each vending route was supposed to have their own key and keys were regularly inventoried and extra keys confiscated. Also, if the pip on the tubular keys was worn down, they key was replaced. This prevented pulling the key out before the lock was fully re-locked or left in the unlocked position.
This sounds more like employee theft prevention than random thievery prevention.
You might be surprised that back in the day getting keys was as easy as going to Coke and paying $1.50 plus tax for a duplicate key. And while one person was at the parts counter a friend, or friends could walk around collecting a few extra keys. They were either hanging out of the lock, or in the key return.
At the time there were 40 keys total. CAV 1-20 for Cavalier machines, and DN 1-20 for Dixie Narco machines. All of the locks had the key number stamped on the face.
RC Cola had 3 keys RC 1-3
Pepsi wasn't like that. No key numbers and they wouldn't sell replacement keys.
Dr. Pepper machines were Cavalier or Dixie Narco and had the same keys as Coke.
Tom's Snack vending machines took 2 different keys to open, one for the door, and one for the coin box. And they only had 2 different versions. You couldn't buy them so you had to come across them in various ways.
Laundry mats with tubular keys had locks with ZB 1-10 but they had different keys for different locks. The coin box used one key and the rectangle lid that accessed the mechanism was different, and almost always was a ZB-3. You could wash for free if you had a ZB-3 key. You could buy old machined, or junk machines and they usually came with keys.
Laundry
It"s like watching a movie when you know the ending...I wanna see you fail at something! 😁✌
Like a director who knows how the film is going to end..... He’ll never fail in his story:)
I wish he would live stream the stuff made here lock.
Once you get it picked and turned a little, you could use the standard tubular pick to "impression" a key. Then you wouldn't have to hand pick it again, over and over.
Couldn't you also use the tubular impressionist tool to single pin pick it, then lock the pins in place?
@@lordfly88yes, that also works
You can test to impression the lock after picking with the self impressioning tool!!
I would love to see you come back to this, to see how long it takes you now; based on this video, it's a lock I would trust, but...
Everybody always uses the multipin tools on these. I've wanted to see a tubular lock, SPP'd for a long time. Thanks!
That's an interesting tool - like how it has a warded lock try-out key at one end. I've read somewhere that once you pick a tubular lock you can improvise a "key" by jamming something like a business card in the slot. No idea if it works, not got a tubular lock to try it on.
Huh, never thought of it working as a pick for warded locks; Im pretty sure its just tipped as a flat, prybar type tension tool.
+Spring Bloom Nope, it is a warded lock pick. And yes, it's a strange combination of tools. 👍
+LockPickingLawyer
Cool
+LockPickingLawyer
Ah, ok. I had watched it on a small phone and only noticed the 'top' end.
rvc 301, prop. of kalil/ rc. these are often left or right alignment rather than center
Works perfectly
brilliant the tumble dryer has just pinched my 2 quid now i can get it back cheeeeers
Can you do a review of the picks you use. A lot of them I never seen.
Nice job! I practice on a Southord 8 pin tubular picked it twice clockwise to open I assume now I must go counter clockwise twice to original position to be able to use key again? No luck so far! Wondering if heavier tension is needed?
What was the answer for this as he didn't address how to get the core back to the original position
Hi David
Hope all is well
Big shot rarely replies to anyone!
You have to pick it in opposite direction to get it back to original position to be able to get key to work.
It takes time especially when you have to pick it back more than once!
Stay well 🙏
what kind of tension wrench is that?
We used to have people squirt super glue or glue in them. All you can do then is drill them out and replace the lock plug.
finally I can do my laundry for free now
So can you use the Huk tubular pick to SPP an Ace II lock and if so will you make a video doing so please.
Where do you get that lock pick flat bar? I can't find it any where
These may be easily picked but you still have to do it several times before it opens.
What tool is that, the thing that spin the lock
am i only one here curious how people are taking money from my washing machine
are these relatively easy or hard to pick for common thieves ? i just bought an e-scooter and i bought a simple bike lock that is using 4 number code combination instead of a key to open and my co-worker advised me not to use these kinds because they are very easy to pick im currently thinking about buying a xiaomi break disc lock which has similar tubular keys
Wouldn't balanced drivers equalise the spring pressure, not make it more variable?
+huxleypig69 Yes, but the equilibrium would not find the shear lines on the same plane.
I'm having trouble finding the tension tool. Do you have a link for something that is available today?
If this tubular lock is immune to an impressioning tool would you be able to use a circular bump key on it?
and yes video 188 on tension has been exhausted lol
I NEED the US locksmiths made tubular tensioner tool !! Sparrow's is not as long and does not have the leverage STRENGTH to do the job!!??? Or should i spray a LUBE inside the ACE lock ?? It's probably 43 yrs old but worked fine when I had the key ... ugh 😩
What do you mean "when I find a binder, I press down more"??
Exactly what he says is what he means
I would appreciate if you tried picking some abus security lock for snowmobiles, motorbikes and things like that. The big ones with some plastic protection and so on
Mabe I just got very lucky or the lock was broken or fake but I have opened an ace II with the impressioning tool. It took a lot longer than any other I have opened with it but it did eventually open and I was able to do it three different times. Like I said mabe fake or broken idk mabe after too much use the varying spring tensions could eventually become the same as the springs wear?
Do u have a direct link to the tools u r using in the video?
Do you have an esd lock video?
Can’t you pick it with a HUK but using manual force on the HUK pins? Please try it and let us know.
Yes light tension and a stethoscope to hear the set is what I use.
What is the best lock to use?
I have a Vault gun safe (single gun). It is biometric and has a tubular lock, with the number 13 on it. The battery went dead and the key is misplaced. Are you able to help?
i have a small safe i inherited that has nothing but dust in it that would nice use.😉😉
I need help!!! My daughter locked our pop machine and lost the key!😡 I couldn’t pick it, so I drilled it out. Now, how do I get the T handle out without a lock?
i don't see no t-handle
Couldn't the impressioning tool be used to tension and push pins down with your fingers? That would create a key.
That's how I used them the first time I got one of those multipin tube picks. I didn't know how to use it the right way so I just used it to tension and SPP it with the 7 picks.
@@parapicktog7734 I know that isn't how they are used, typically, but my thought is that they could be used to SPP when they won't impression.
@@dl200010 sure they can, and when your done you have your impression. But the thing is...because the pins are so stiff to move, it's hard to feel the clicks and easy to push too hard and go past the shear line. So it might take a few tries. But I thought of something else after watching this video... if you SPP it the way he did, only turn it halfway to the next position, then you can use the tool to impression it and don't have to pick it multiple times.
That tensioner is hard to find without going straight to that website
Thanks
Sparrows sell them, and so do Southord.
could you have used the pick tool to impression it after the first pick?
no
Yes, according to video 68. It makes since it can. Once you rotate the pins in between the locking points you should be able to take your pick and get your impression.
yes you can, typically with about 80% luck doing so :)
Couldn't you pick it as you do here, then use the tubular pick to impression it when the pins are between positions? I'd think that would be quicker, and you'd have a "key"
That's how I used my first tubular multipin pick. I didn't know how to use it, so I just used it for tension and used the 7 picks to SPP it. I thought that was how you were supposed to use it, and the only advantage was you only have to pick it once, then can turn it all the way and also have an impression to decode it.
Instead of locking it into the first pin position why didn’t you just impression it with your tool then you’d have a key. I do this all the time. then just tighten the knob down.
He explained why in the beginning.
Where can I get the tension wrench you are using?
He says exactly where he got it from in the vid….. 1:28
you put to much pressure
Watch his video on tension, you'll understand his approach. He uses the amount of tension "that is "required".
(Video 188).
So not that easy as you claim in the begining of the video jajaj!
Great love people who show criminals how to do the deed 😑🤮