Is it possible ever to be free of self-centred activity? Is there a real self? | J. Krishnamurti
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Brockwood Park 1979 - Question #1 from Question and Answer Meeting #1
'Is it possible ever to be free of self-centred activity? Is there a real self apart from the self-created image?'
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Only honest and genuine man ever I came across in the realm of so called spiritual leaders. Didn’t know him until CZcams had showed his talk in recommended videos in the year around 2013 I guess.
I feel the same J.K is a real human being.
What u gained, because he is addressing the entire human race.
There are many honest and genuine people. I don’t think you have explored many of them.
I feel the same, it was so hard to find someone... who... if isn't profiting on your sorrow, has really gone threw the all absurd thing. :'- ) !
Is "SEE MY SOUL " irony then? I guess so. In my personal research from Krishnamurti's talk, i read that soul, "ANIMA" in latin, comes from greek "ANEMOS", which only meat "WIND", and was therefore not MY..., and didn't actually mean anything, just silent passive sensitiveness.
JK can't be referred by a friend or a family, he needs to be discovered like a Truth. Love you Sir, listening to you itself is a meditation. Makes me so calm and happy.
Jk said you cannot have light from another so while you listen to jk, you would accept his words as knowledge and then you are conditioned with knowledge. Plz sir see all this. See the main point.
You are 100% right.for I feel so.What a person are you!!!
Who is here in 2021 listening to all his videos?
Me
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His words here is like a flower. As it opens its beauty unfolds.
"your own perceptions set you free."
I wish I never saw a video of this man, but I can't stop listening to him. I'm sad, happy, but wiser than before discovering the real me.
How one can comment when he see him image less
The real you will find hapiness. If you havent found hapiness then you still haven’t found the real you. Keep looking buddy, don’t give up.
You are the universe yourself, everything more than that is your imagination, created by thought, the self. I am happy that you found answers.
Me too
What's the real you ?
His way of talking is not for everyone,he is not a guru of masses. He can only be understood by a few and if you are understanding his essence you are quite lucky and blessed
ABhishek UPadhyay You are right Abhishek, but I would say this is for all the human beings, some may have known it before but some will gonna hear it first time but those true word if anybody will hear, would be working as a magical experience for the listener.
If somebody is listening to it, that means somebody has initiated the process of transformation by listening those magical words.
Aren't u strengthening the self, discussed in video, to be recognised by girls i guess.
how am i to determine if i am lucky LOL
To be free of attachment. To possessions, reputation, relationships etc....
It seems that for any of us to be free, means that we must also be free from attachment?
The speaker said, "When you see that one of the major factors of the self is attachment and you see what it does in the world..."If you see the truth of attachment then that very truth is so; it is actual. Then you're free from it. Your own perception sets you free.... will you do it?"
It rings true to me.
The self is the attachment. And the the resistance, which is attachment to not wanting. 😘
You have commented on k¹ messages. That means you have commented on k's messages but if you have actually understood k's messages then there won't be anything comments.
Read as any comments
lmao cant relate.
0:19 A legend was born again.
Thank you we all my hart J. Krisnamurti.
The comments already appeared on the teaching, is worthy of pondering. In this sifting of essence, we feel that there are real seekers of the actual, so, here I too am indebted to the official channel. Let me thank you profoundly sirs !
The self is pure, not contaminated by our labels or images.
We need the drive to pursue the truth, that the self is the truth. Rest(outside situation) is a sweet illusion.
the moment we use the word self to describe that which is beyond the self, it is still the self (an image)
Self is a bag of lifeless past incoherent experiences causing only conflict and confusion. Being free from past, the known, demolishes self.
This is one of the clearest presentations of Krishnaji. Every word resounds in beauty and freedom.
Nobody, to my knowledge, has delineated self and its multifarious manifestations and mischiefs the way K has done.
The whole path of Buddhism is No Self or Emptiness !!! What J K says, is what buddhist practitioners practice on 4 seals.
Raj Barry far from my friend, very far from.
I LOVE You my dear Jiddu krishnamurti ❤❤🎉🎉😊😊😊
“Your own perception sets you free.”
You say, the only way to be free of that center within is to love without motive- every moment of life.
Then I’m free, finally ❤️🕊
The moment you realised that you are happy then you are already unhappy..
To avoid the self/ego, we must free ourselves from the known. Krishnamurti
Have seen this video several times.
But I never ever heard this kind of talk by anyone else ..
He is supra genius..
Just by listening to this you are enlightened instantaneously..
Something out this world..
When sense of responsibility arises , it arises as sense of responsibility for oneself , hence self remerges , simply there is no freedom from self , only union of self with everything.
beautiful
We have accepted self as a reality There is no think er with out thought Attention perceives In pure perception no center is formed One realises that self is a bundle of memories This requires alert attention
Love you JK.
Thank you 🙏🏻 💕
Thank you sir
listening to you ...like a real motive
J.K the man of highest intelligence!
message understood ! we're doing it
Thank you so much
Thank you.
Wonderful
Thanks broa!
Where there is so called "self"(ego) there must be conflict. More you try to get rid of it, more you are strengthening it. Is it possible to detach oneself from everything? From your own experience, from your own "life". Will you do it? Yes, you can. Then you will dissolve yourself into the Heart of God and realize that you live forever.
Then you attached to concept of God. We have habit to take resort something.
But thought process dominated. We never be able to remain in the consciousness state. This fight goes on.
@@dekz8 and is 'forever' not in time?
Brilliant ! Thank you
This is insight into all of man's destructive conditioning.
Lovely honest man
Whole world wants to fallow his words.
Great
Ego driven only to find ego is false
❤😍🙇🍀🌞K. le plus logique des humains que je connaisse😚😘❤
Free from everything. Now and now is always now. Is it possible. I have done gone through. The tragedy is thought always. We are taken away by thought process.
"We" are Not taken away by the thought process. The 'we' itself' is a thought .
'we' can never understand that 'we' is a thought unless the observer is above the level of thought.
How can it happen?
Ans: Only when there is no observer in the observation. There is only observation without the 'we' - the observer
Thank you for all human being's love & wisdom.
Namaste to justin bieber. We all thank you for sending us all here.
The "me" is operating all the time.
Jiddu is absolutely awesome!
Thank you so much for bringing this to us 🙏
Me 2
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too...
Michael Kotov like living as animals in jungle with no laws or regulations?
@@moon5darkness Animals have no brain
Technically they do
Micheal you may want to check out the talks by Yuval Noah Harari on the positive sides on nationalism.
Having countries and the belief to be connected to people who I don't even know is not only bad but also have many good aspects which helps to live peacefuly together
@Abdulrahman Al-Anazi I feel it does relate to.
Seeing the bad side of nation/patriotism or for example money is easy.
And there are many examples of its destructive power.
So strong that it is easy to forget that it has light and good sides as well.
It let us cooperate in great numbers without knowing everyone personally.
Do you know the person generating your electricity or your ambulance driver or store clerk?
He only does it since he get paid and a nation build roads.
People carrying for people they've never met and never will.
It also can be used to hate people you've never met.
But I don't feel it is the fault of nations or religion per se.
Yuval gives a bigger picture to understand better 😊
Is it possible to be aware of everything at a glance. If it is possible then it is awareness. If not the mind is caught in a particular pattern and there is repeating of thinking.
I think "Wow I have understood the amazing words from JK " and my ego pats itself on its back. Back to square one.
I dont think you have understood. You are still identifying yourself with the tag in your second name
If I can fully take in just this video in, I can be free from a lot of suffering. 🙏
What a powerful lecture.
Leggo my Ego
Your own perception will set you free
not if it maintains its own status quo
Yes i agree perception will only set you free if you come to the understanding that JK talks about
Legends are here to watch j Krishnamurthy first video😂😂
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It is false sense of security that drives one to myself. If that false shield is thrown out as first step then it may be possible to get rid of this
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13:05 the soul of the video
You, me, I..... leads to economic and social conflict.
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K.....❤️
" Sometimes " I feel Mr JK. suggests us to be adumant or hard to the human psychology .
But how could He , be a seeker of the Truth , without Self ?
The self is an idea
And he have recorded for that as well.
I was probably there in 1979 listening to this. He is a spiritual iconoclast. I stick to zazen these days! Listening to K may start people off on a spiritual path but in the end it a 'lot of words'
did you observe self is disappear
i feel the other way. Others are mere words and opinions.
When one does not see the facts it becomes bunch of words not the other way around.
Sensitizing ourselves with expressing greatness of words/someone is also another form/kind of self.
Human is much much complicated on earth.
Me or I culprit. Attatchment is the problem.No division, no conflict
Krishnamurti knows the Matrix
This is the thesis of "The Godfather" series.
Explain
Look at the center with your inner eye, without judging just look at it with closed eyes, and he will vanish away. Destroyed, you are the body of the divine.
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Attachments= self....
Actual spiritual human being😊🙏 infact he is God,,☺️
We have his words but up to us what do with it.
Is it like listen to heart instead of me(self) and act upon or react?
to be aware of the whole relationship of all. and with that follows pure compassion.
I am really trying to understand but I feel like I am lost
And how you're doing by now? Did you keep trying?
Non attachment & emerging of responsibility
Fasting day today 💚🙏
Stay with K, he’ll show you what’s going on with you
nunca lo doblaran o al menos meterle sup en español ?
justin bieber sent me here and i'm glad he did
Duncan Toms how?
Himanshi teesha in his dreams
To be able to perform action doesn't it mean that there is at least tiny bit of identification needed?
How to unplug from the Matrix
He says that where there is division there must be conflict. I don't get that point. I am a Greek. Do I automatically have a conflict with a Frenchman? I am not the tree and I have no quarrel with the tree. Can someone elaborate?
Conflict and division has nothing to do with anything like this. If it did, there would be constant conflict with every other we come into contact with. This is why different types of ego exist.
'Self' is not created. It is planted at birth. It is not possible to remove it, nor even be free of it. All that can be done is to try and be the best one can. It takes constant effort, or 'mindfulness' as it's called. The true inner will always burst through though at the first sign of emotional disturbance.
As an example, it is JK's ego that makes him behave the way he does. He is being his self, just talking in this video. He is attached to what he believes.
Detachment means what it says. It is not a creation of the self, nor even by any kind of notion of a higher self that is the true 'you'.
It is bestowed. Nothing has any affect on it, nothing overcomes it. All this reference to other nations, marriage and such is meaningless. Such is just material thinking.
True detachment means all other members of humanity mean the same to you, Full stop. Forget belongings and anything else you heard. Nothing else need be said.
Bornix Nyine It is far more basic than that. It comes down to individuals that one doesn't even know. Never met, no matter what wrongdoings they may have done.
Would you feel the same way about a mass murderer as you do your own family members fx? This is the true meaning of detatchment. Unconditional is the associated word.
For all JK's wise words, he still spoke often in material terms.
I do not use the description of 'higher self'. I am a human being that is here to represent the 'interests' of something that cannot be described. A proxy. That is all.
Bornix Nyine Course it's Ok. We're just kicking things about. However...
What you are saying is not based on your own truth. Not your own thoughts.You are quoting theosophy. Blavatsky etc. Blavatsky makes no sense to me. Leadbeater was involved with JK. Leadbeater spoke of Kundalini. He knew nothing of it. Even JK doesn't agree with Leadbeater on the subject. Such material is of no value to anyone.
How can that possibly be part of a discussion on anything except what others have stated. Where does that involve the realities of what 'higher self' is?
You state that you are God incarnate? How do you support that?
Bornix Nyine "If we knew everything and therefore our own truth, there wud be no need for learning from any1. Naturally this is not the case"
That's just according to you though. One doesn't need to know everything.
If you have no own truths, how do you know what you learn is relevant? Truthful? Blavatsky's words obviously mean more to you than mine. Is it because the person is a well known? A celebrity?
"This divine spark is the same for you and all life but you need to investigate the matter further to clearly understand it."
Now you are telling me I don't understand. I already understand it. It is not the same for me. When I die, It's finished. A new body will replace this one and my 'Soul' will continue to evolve. I am but a vehicle. God incarnate I am not. You can't place that on me since you already stated you are still learning. I ask you again.. How do you know?
Are you not aware that one's own truth comes from within? Do you have no doubts at all about the things people tell you? Obviously, where these big names are concerned you don't, but you should. I can listen to who I like, but the final choice of whether I accept the words is mine.
Bornix Nyine "u shud not be prejudiced with my learning from Blavatsky or theosophy at large"
I haven't. You have done so to me instead by telling me what I am, and how wrong I am on several occasions.
I only asked rellevant questions regarding your own claims, and the belief that you follow, in an attempt to see where you come from. All claims I made were in regard to myself only.
You can't, or won't answer anything I ask you, but refer to your group of people instead.
"keen on wat the soul is and wat it is not"
The soul is indescribable to me. JK doesn't even believe in the existance of one. Nor God either, yet you say he is one of your teacher group. JK also makes a point about not copying others words. So you see that you come across as confused to me? Yet you try to tell me how it is.
Sorry if you felt uncomfortable but that's the way it is when one wants the truth.
If you're done, then OK. Take care.x
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Though he is Great speaker and perfectly told about self... Surprised to see he did not understand the eastern /indian approach of same thing. And many times he pointed that few particular approaches r incorrect which indicates he did not understood the depth of Buddhism/ Advaita vedanta. Here he asks to think.. eastern approaches says think and if u cannot think then here are another ways like Bhakti /meditation etc..
//particular approaches r incorrect which indicates he did not understood the depth of Buddhism/ Advaita vedanta. // Which is totally wrong of you. He has mastered Buddhism and all of the Vedic including the Upanishda during his leanings with the Theosophical Society. But he never utters a word about it. But he has understood the true meaning of the freedom which you may have not! Do more research on him and make a judgement about a man of that caliber! You have proven your level of understanding with that, sorry.
his teachings seem to me very similar to Roberto Assagioli's Psychosynthesis..?
Bieber's?
Or Roberto internalized and added from K
Brain attached to objects as an image because your cosmic begins has not absorbed into the physical state that the brain has created in your mind and therefore cannot process information from the outside without any input
Here's my problem with his philosophy.... If I were to make no effort and just be myself, what if I am a murderer? A thief? No effort, no trying, means being exactly who you are right now amd following every impulse. And we are full of sin.
oh ya I agree with you for sure, although I think he meant it towards the audience, hehe murderers well you could say that they are full of self since they couldn't give up wanting to murder, although?! like you were saying its directly because they don't think enough about others a spontaneous empathy that doesn't stretch as it comes from your own perceptions of self in having awareness of ones emotional state, kinda autosignosia which may impede perspective taking, although this kind of empathy can be learned as a result it will generate a once diminished percept of self state thats created with more nuance, or greater affect. I think it is both that self is inflated in desire hence impulse control problem and diminished in spontaneous and possibly understanding as it comes from muted foundation. hope this helps
Hello, MasonArt.
You pose a good question. The following is my comment to the best of my understanding of J. Krishnamurti sayings on "effort". Do not take my response as representing his teachings; that is something you have to engage on your own.
So, respectfully, here goes:
If you are a murderer/thief ("mt" for short for this discussion), any effort to change means the mt is still the actor. No matter what effort the mt makes, the mt actually is perpetuating himself/herself/itself. The actor/effort-maker and the act/effort are inseparable.
So, effort continues or pre-supposes the existence of the effort-maker, so to speak.
But, consider: What if effort is non -existent?
You indicated that if you make no effort, you are what you are (an mt).
Consider the opposite: If no effort is, (if the mt is not acting/"efforting" or no effort of any kind is made at all), who or what is there - since the mt is absent? The mt cannot be where it does not make nor generate no effort. So, what is there, then?
We can say that the mt "IS NOT", or 'no effort' does not allow any actor to arise.
Be clear, too - that 'no effort' is NOT from any 'effort' by an actor. Rather that 'no effort' is an outcomet of awareness of the nature of effort. One cannot make a state of 'no effort' come about directly...trying directly would ironically involve effort, wouldn't it?
No, 'no effort' is cessation that comes from being aware (beyond just knowing) of the nature of 'effort' and 'no effort'.
Hope you continuing questioning and coming upon realizations on your own.
I do NOT wish you good luck on your journey. Unnecessary for what faces you. Go it alone.
So, in the truest sense, 'no effort' ceases the continuation of the actor, and thereby his continuing state and 'muschief' (as K is fond of referencing to the misdeeds, confusion, etc. we engage in...your so called 'sin').
And, what state/being comes when you make no effort?
Roughly, it's nameless because it is what you've not come across before. It is nothing familiar. (And it will NOT be an 'experience'...that's another discussion.)
All these you are free to delve into, apart from my discussion.
Lol JB sent me here too
How?
Hopefully you won't back lol
15:15 😂😂😂😂 bruh
This mans energy is not right, he talks a lot of nothing, we are bound by our attachment to this world, this is the human condition, we do need to learn true realities, which will help us look in as an observer, but we can not detach the self, the self is the means to observe and learn, without it you create a psychopath! So his teaching is dangerous, we need to learn to be contented and be an observer looking in, this perception is good for looking at the higher perceptive, ego is important so is fear and love these emotions help us navigate in our world, our goal is to keep it all in balance, that’s the great mystery!
Anyone in 2024😂
You left out that which speaks feels etc, that is the self. You did not id a center but a miasma - at least at the start
Well, we carry on with the status quo because you have given us nothing to work with other than to see why making an effort is counterproductive. Most people will not see beyond this paradox. But if you do then it has been done. Not you have done it. I know you see this problem, this conundrum K. Yet, you make it sound like it is my fault that I carry on with the status quo.
It's not your fault .it is the same for us all.look at the misery that was put into us Gods education society it was all bull but now we know our problems that is in some sense is liberating.b wishes
Will you do it? But without effort, which is a paradox. lol
it's a paradox only for the mind. dropping the self is effortless, actually is more an effort to keep it hahahaha
His context is be natural
Is attachment to justice and equality wrong?
Not "wrong" maybe is "not the way". Attachment is forcing, is conflict. Don´t analize, don´t rationalize it. Let it grow naturally from inside, without YOU thinking about it, let it flow, let it be, naturally. Don't think about it, just feel it, live it. It's the purest way
Is not about wrong or right. It's beyond. ANY attachment is the "problem". Attachment create ego
To understand him completely a person must have an IQ of Einstein or more
True
lol
consciousness has nothing to do with mind intelligence
Probably More🤣🤣🤣
So krishnamurti proposes to become now buddhas. Without any effort... Others spent 10 lifetimes in practice to achieve it. Impossible. You can only start from the center to overcome it with effort.
Because one tends to rationalize everything, to think and overthink. Just accept it, live it, let it flow. Stop fighting against it, stop searching, that's conflict. Just accept it and feel it. It sounds simple, it seems complicated, but once understood it is simple again.
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