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A mind free of the ‘me’
Extract from the first conversation with Father Eugene Schallert in San Diego, 1972.
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I am 18years of age now , I don't know how I am here but I think I found something precious ....
Don't lose it ever.
@@avijitdutta5194 he wont
Don't think......just know!
remember to do checks on your awareness and you will save a lot of time.
That is amazing 😉, all the best to you to carry it all the way to end .
This is how a conversation should happen between 2 people. In this world, everyone shouts and no one listens. We forget how to listen with respect and with full awareness of the other person's view.
A questão do ouvir corretamente....k
Also, it need not be a conversation between equals, but the sincerity to listen and understand. For this reason, such talks are so much better than interviews.
Raj Barua brilliant you are absolutely right
Listening, is an act of love! This is true dialogue.
Exactly
Just look at the tree, don't think. Makes me cry with joy.
Why iz he ?
Yes, this happen with me while doing dishes
It’s hard for occurrence in the visual field to appear without the mind instantly narrating it as what’s its perceived to be
😂
Why?
Everyone should read at least one of Krishnamurti's books and really try to grasp what he's trying to convey in his lectures. If you're very religious, into enlightenment, consciousness, spirituality, or higher self, you might have a hard time understanding what message he's trying to passed forward. You will want for him to give you a method, a mantra, a routine to enlightenment, but that won't happen. I was that person that was looking for self realization but instead I learned so much more. Also read the story of his life, very interesting.
Is there a particular book you would recommend ?
@@carpenterfamily6198 First watch 8 video lecture series ' The real revolution '
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then read
1. Freedom from the known - Jiddu krishnamurti
After this read
2.Commentaries on living
Carpenter family I started with the small classic Think on These Things, the most widely read book. Then I found Flight of the Eagle and Freedom from the Known. However, to me, the most all-encompassing, must-read book is The Awakening of Intelligence. The beauty of this last book is that it gives a whole series of talks, maybe 4 or 5, so that you see how he starts from a wide, global level to the personal, internal perspective. You see him do this in different places and on different dates. It is the whole of the Teachings, long and comprehensive. I read this before watching any videos and I feel it helped me stay with him when I began to watch videos. In fact, he cancelled a tour of Latin America because he said people couldn’t understand him because they had not read enough.
Bennie Rodriguez I, too, was that person. Perhaps, most of us are. As for his life, for me, it was more than interesting. So fascinating, mysterious, and incomprehensible. So many events had to come together for him to be discovered, then raised, by the theosophists, then leaving them. Why did it happen? Who was he? Was he unique in human history? Did he appear when the world needed him? Why did he give his whole life to help humanity, never wanting anything, never expecting a result? Who does that? No contradiction, year after year, for over 60 years.
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Sanket Sirsat how do you reconcile the fact that he had a long afair with a married woman of his editor, among other things regarding that entire family? Somehow there is a discrepancy between the state of mind he portrays that none has reached but him and his actions.
The teaching seems profound but his actions don't fully reflect that.
I love how excited and enthusiastic JK is. Infected by his divinity.
indeed. but not sure about divinity.
All cool dude,except his divinity...i think even he would rebute u here
@@aliveli-hq6zk If you can see divinity in him then you didn't got eyes and ears and heart.
Cuz its doesn't matter who it is if he is with truth then he is divine
Truth is divine.
@@dontdoit7761 ^
Exactly dude, his inner child was still alive :)
It's fascinating to see Krishnamurti talk with someone he clearly feels understands what he's talking about. Normally he seems terribly frustrated and annoyed at people.
There was such a selfless desire to point others towards clearly seeing reality as it absolutely is.
Yes, and all talks with david bohm, they are really engaging and understanding between k and bohm is very good.
Yes even he gets annoyed because of his physical nature. He would rather be enjoying a tree but has a duty to a complete a thankless task.
I’ll be going through Alan Watts and it’s like the funny biology teacher. And then Ram Dass is like the interesting social studies teacher. But Krishnamurti is like that AP Physics professor that used to work at NASA and doesn’t get why I don’t get it
I was only 11 when I first read his “Freedom From The Known”, and even at that age it all made sense, as though I knew it all (except the timelessness part) It may have been easier for me to understand him because of my unconditioned mind.
He has been my teacher since. 🧘♀️
I’m 15
And same situation 😁
😊😊😇🙏💚🌸
That’s such a profound awareness, the unconditioned mind is very abstract and as it becomes conditioned, ideas start forming, opinions, perceptions making it incapable of just being and enjoying…good, bad or indifferent.
I found him around 19, all that time before, where was I.!
It's a great text!!!
However, I don't think Krishnamurti would have been too happy to be called anyone's teacher lol
At about 23 minutes he says "BE CHOICELESSLY AWARE". Amazing use of words to describe a state which is beyond words.👌👌👌👌👌
❤❤
Correct
Just to observe is the most important thing = be choicelessly = at Shunya
19:24 Try this exercise; look at ( experience) a sunset without using words ( even mentally ) to describe it. In fact, don’t describe it at all - just experience it fully, directly without word labels. Doing this exercise demonstrates this idea.
I once did that with a painting on a wall where I lived almost thirty years ago because an acting coach I had instructed me to do so. The effect was mind boggling for the next two to three weeks as I experienced a major shift in awareness pretty much 24/7.
Exactly..
You are making a choice to be aware. Be choiceless aware.
I am a fan of J krishna murthy At last I could see him throu this vidio I read most of his books. Thanks.
You can actually do it with anything.
And when you do it with really mundane things, you realize how you usually live in a sleepy-state because even the most boring thing is actually amazing when you look at it without giving any interpretation.
Thinker is the thought
Observer is the observed
Experiencer is the experience
Analyzer is the analyzed
Controller is the controlled.
How can the observer be the observed when it is that which is observing the observed? it seems very much distinct from what it observes, no? i.e. subject (observer) object (observed)
@@Corteum Since you are part of the whole, thus it, you are observing yourself ...
@@Corteum u are caught in thought . Thought is so cunning that its plays tricks upon tricks . It wants continuity and security .It prevent you from looking reality as it is. It originates fear pleasure desire conflict in one's mind .
So the question that what happens after when you realised observer is the observed or who is observer or what is observerd this cant be find out by thought .
Because thought is responce of memory .
You need choiceless awarness without motive i.e sharp attention in that attention you will find there is neither the observer nor the observed . There is no ' I ' or any entity who is attending ...there is only state of attention then only u will discover what j k tells the unknown / immeasurable .
@@Corteum bc ur view of the observed is simply ur observation by your point of view so its a continuum.
@@sanketsirsat6670 wow thanks for this comment 🙏 this stuff is definitely precious but hard for me to grasp sometimes. Your comment really helped 👌 thanks x
Krishnamurti is always ever so gently edging the listener away from a fearful mental existence.
I couldn’t have said it better.
Krishnanmurthi is on a whole different level , one has to be open to understand it 🙏
yep his way to word it is sometimes too simple or too complex. i like what he says, but not how he says it. the language barrier is "real" there. easy to get stuck not understanding what he mean, Basicly exposing ego explaining 20 time "me isnt me with me not me without me concious conciousness"
K got too hung up on the contrast between pricess and timelessness. The “me” is not wholly distinct from the not me, and in liberators “practice” this “me” turns inwards, it’s a thorn used to remove a thorn. Without preparation, the “instantaneous” awakening of intelligence that K advocated simply will not “occur”.
@@gabrielahimsa4387 the Great Problem IS ... Both of them don't have the same understanding!!!
Or,a mind free of 'me'👍
I would have just let Krishnamurti speak, because the man speaks from the heart of God.
it gives me hope that people take this seriously
Given the times we are in.. Yes
@@ranirathi3379 yep👍
Krishnamurti is like a star who is always shining everywhere in this universe.
Yes you have discovered a lot.
That's why you (also me)can't do anything. It's all are an image of jk. You are living in past.
Based on my experience ... you don’t empty your mind ... it happens by itself ... when “You or Me” is not there ...!!
Life happeneds, passing by, while we are lost in egocentric thoughts and emotions.
"...the emptying of the mind brings unity."
Awareness. Seeing. No one seeing.
Krishnamurti will debate with anyone. He was enlightened, for sure. What a Legend.
This conversation is so deep for me that I have to listen it twice to fully grasp K's words.What a great man he was. 🙏
I am 16 y/o .i am trying to bring his teaching into everyday action others wise there is no any other point in listening like school lecture and doing nothing.
What doing it is not a process just observe good and bad or whatever happening
You are on your way! Continue to follow your instincts continue your search for the truth for true wisdom which is knowing yourself
23:10 “To be choicelessly aware. Because to choose, as we do, is one of our greatest conflicts. And we, for some strange reason, associate choice with freedom which is the antithesis of freedom. It’s absurd.”
Rather one should associate choicelessness with freedom.
If we choose, therefor we judge, we evaluate from whatever background we have, so we must be aware without judging. Is that so?
He was the most enlightened Buddha since Gautama the Buddha ❤️
JK is the smartest person I've ever been blessed to listen too
"The most enlightened"
"We discover the unity, when there is this sense of choiceless attention"
Wow! That priest is dedicated to his craft. He was earnestly following what JK was saying so that he could better serve his community. What an exemplary man.
Does anyone know who the priest is?
I have never heard of any Catholic church clergy being so able to communicate such truths
Simply profound. If i want to analyse this.. what J. Krishnamurti means is being aware is to see everything without a label. any kind of label ( colour, shape, function, attitude etc.). only then we can be truly aware of everything in its true nature. In the same way we will be able to be aware of ourselves without any kind of labels and hence since we don't label anything, we are all one.
Hope that makes sense.
The issue is that when we try to see without any labels we are doing it. We are simply refusing to put labels. The me is still involved.
Maybe what he is pointing at is simply being. Which is what we always are.
Look at this man. OMG.. greatest guy ever walked on planet
...... without a doubt!
Just turned 20 and found this guy...i don't know why but it seems this is it
You are close, very close, but look into Chan, Dzogchen and Tibetan Buddhism. He share a lot in common with those teachings.
K: To be choicelessly aware. Because _to choose, as we do, is one of our great conflicts._
S: And *we, for some strange reason, associate choice with freedom, which is the antithesis of freedom.* (23:10)
I had to pause and let this sink in. This gets towards the root of why we actively bring suffering into our lives and kindle it rather than extinguish it. There is a great delusion in our society that success and happiness come from freedom to choose. To choose a career, to choose a religion, to choose a home - the American Dream. But when we become invested in these "choices" and we are unaware of the categorization that is inherent in such an image of self-agency, we reify that categorization, and promote a horrible cycle that draws us further from seeing the truth. We use memory and thought to guide us through our life's work, which may involve choosing a carpet or a partner or what have you. This choosing process, necessary for our lives, may coexist with an awareness of the implied duality, conformity and conditioning:
K: But there is choice: I choose that carpet better than the other carpet. At that level choice must exist. But *when there is an awareness of yourself, choice implies duality, choice implies effort.* (24:03)
Beautifully put. Thank you for posting this!
Our vocabulary falls short for what he's trying to put across.. Even the limitedness of our vocabulary reflects our consciousness or even unconsciousness.
The problem is most people listen to him verbally .
we should all focus improving our own self. We have no control of others.- oh the paradox of me telling you this statement
I transcribe his lectures so I can read it too. He speaks slowly and it is another way I listen.
In stead of herbally?
Well , even verbally can be the first step ,
I feel its very very hard to go beyond words ,
The 'me' afraids of going beyond words, to the deep silence .
@@Will-xl7xp When the realization of your own self begins the self evaporates, there is no self anymore to improve.
the reality cannot flower if the me is there """
perhaps the me is only one petal of the flower
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Amen 🙏🏼
Deep and heavy investigation on finding truth on unity
I think his guest is incredibly perceptive and responsive to his message.
I just laughed so much . So beautiful. Nothing to worry about. Nothing to do . Constructed consciousness that falls into laughter.
You seem to be unable to "see the Woods" because of all the Trees. And you are laughing that you cannot see the Woods at all.
K's teachings are pure gold in order to end the toxic addiction to divisions reigning the world.
As one uses abstractions to understand and to apprehend the world (including oneself) then one becomes addicted to the images created by these abstractions because of the futile sensation of security and power that is created.
Seeing the truth of 'me' instantly (no 'timely' image) : 🙏💗
Thank you. My heart goes out to Krishnamurti.
Be well everyone. I wish you a long space of time without pain or suffering
You have a body , you have physical pain.You have attachments you suffer.
Father Eugene Schaller. Thank you for your tremendous effort, you have achieved to extract the truth JK sir has been trying to deliver..Your aim is to make the truth understood by people like me. Your are amazing Father Eugene Schaller. 🙏🏽
The only man who can give us true insight
thats what your ego said. many others exposed this. Ramana Maharshi did it without repeating "the me as me without conciousness of being concious.."
your ego love to honor him as the only true one , fail :) said my ego.
Many have exposed the ego trap. hes not alone, or the best, thats what you like to imagine . thats another layer of your ego.
you need sharper insights to realise hes not the only one that have understood it.
The self,the I,is a bundle of memories accumulated from past knowledge and put together by thought once this is realized the mind is empty of the me.
But after that there is only blank space and vibration, observer is not able to go beyond that and question is what is there to see?
@@Universe42718 there no one to see .....watch it ...there is only state of attention ...not the one who is attending ...please observe the various tricks thought plays .
@jonesman it’s a duality
Truly remarkable man with so much depth that most people have to watch many times to grasp it all. J. Krishnamurti is a true inspiration and we are so fortunate that he was an Indian! Cannot imagine a BJP man appreciate such intellect
> cannot imagine a BJP man appreciate such intellect.
You are bringing your pity political opinions which dont have any intrinsic value on themselves here, under a video where JK explains how to get rid of the "me" and all of nuances that it brings with it.
Just think for a second 😂😂
I love krishnamurti 🙏
One of the beautiful , content full interview which I have seen for first time, Credit equally goes to the interviewer, because he really had the depth of knowledge, the sense of understanding of the subject..its a so subtle subject elegantly covered and made presentable with simple words.....
"because he really had the depth of knowledge," Really???
21:33 this is timeless gem 💯
“As long as there is division, there will be conflict.”
I see this as a discussion of the damage of duality.🍄❤️
I think we all have to practice this. Seeing everything as it is, including the content of our mind.
Practice means entry of psychological time, which prevents direct understanding.
@@clodhopper-dodoWe must start somewhere.
"And that emptying of that mind brings UNITY"
SOMETHING MYSTERIOUS LIVES HERE
Rules to have a conversation/discussion of this kind, with this kind of personality like K :
1.Accept that you don't know. But put your heart, mind and body to enquire into it(the subject matter).
2.Listen more - patiently and attentively; speak less.
3.Keep enquiring throughout the talk in that very instant--it's not your regular babaji's pravachan. To get inspired for the day and forget all about it the next day..
4.Don't seek answers/explanations , but enquire into the question..there's no answer - only the question has to dissolve in understanding - and it's always "immediate".
Basically, the song "The Wall" by Pink Floyd summarises what Khrisnamurti is saying. In the West we are taught "I think therefore I am" but the truth is the exact opposite; the moment I cease thinking is the moment I truely am.
😁💖🤗🙏😀
How long can you exist like that 🙃
21:38 "Be aware of it and we are aware of this so intensely, when there is a crisis"
Year 2020 what a time to be aware!
Awaken 🦋
1972 this happened, it's 2022 and very relevant to this day, JK was one and only, may better human beings come forth and make the world think about what is important to live a life rather than get by surviving...
Excellent conversation, they just demonstrated what they were talking about. When one is not opinionated, is free from ego. Only then one can see as it is! They did this together!
This man is the greatest example of freedom a human being can achieve❤️
Truthful human being. All what can be answered by him as human has been answered with the so much clarity and purity of his heart. Love it.
Thank you so much for sharing pearls of wisdom.
His words are as sharp and clean as a razor.
To "empty" the mind of the me is to get rid of the mind entirely. So the answer is no, it is impossible to empty the mind of the me. In fact it is impossible for us to do, feel, and think anything besides what we are fated to. The World of Appearances, the reality we experience is very much an ILLUSION. The most fundamental illusion is the illusion of separation, which is the very function of the mind. From this illusion comes the ego (the sense of self separate from everything else), the perception of spatio temporal locality, the illusion of the passage of time, the illusions of motion, change, and phenomena, as well as the conceptual differentiations we are fated to make and experience in order to understand a reality that is ultimately illusory. MAYA
Well said
So the time split the be into many and the time makes the changes possiblity and self perception. But all this is the illusion! There is an inner part of any individual and each objetc that conect us with the whole.But thats is not representsion but the Will! That thing is out of time and space and cant be approch by inteligens perspective. But the being of the will is the perception of being first and will after. Again: MAYA
The answer is There's no answer, all IS and all IS NOT. It's not about finding an answer, or a what or a law, a way, its about how deep can you go in understanding, how far, but still not thinking in terms of deep and far... The abstraction of the mind in a level that we can't even put into words! Theres no way we can do that, but still it exists, so there IS a "way". Words makes it even harder, puts ourselves even far from that "door" we are trying to "knock"
Wow
You seem to be caught in an illusion yourself... And you also seem to be very keen to mention that word "MAYA"
His words are so profound, that I'm forced to discover myself..
What did you find out?
@@nicoandersen4231 The one that wants to find out is no more
Thank you to life to have the opportunity of this experience ! Krishnamurti thank you
born as a human, and lived as a divine force.
Is there a choice in love ? No. That's being choicelessly aware. POWERFUL
That must be the reason why the elders told us not to sing while cooking. Just look at the pot and listen the sound of the bubbles. Just focus on the task at hand. (But in order to survive in this modern time we need to multitask.)
Multi tasking is futile attempt. If we can't well execute one job at one time, how are we expected to do multi tasking? 😄
Watching. Choiclessly aware. Better words exist.
What he is saying is be completely in the now no future or past. Be like water and become one with the world. You can see it all moving as one thing. It’s neat and all.
It’s like looking at a tree without any memory of it and just being aware of it without any choice of liking or hating it. Just looking at us or other things that surround us and just being choice less aware of them without any image which is our memory which makes these thoughts . Except for that and being there can we be free of ‘me’ which makes us unite in choice less way and therefore no separation. Just awareness.
One must read and listen to JK......for that wholeness in living
Don't verbalize a anything including the self.. Just observe and be aware
Which of JKs’ books would you recommend ?
NOt reading or listening .....!
One must "SEE"
That is just the first step. We must observe and test this within ourselves and our lives.
Watch yourself and find out.
When I watch these I don’t just listen. I test for myself and don’t look for answers. Just see and observe without interference.
Yes. I just posted the same comment.
My understanding is simply put : be fully present without pre-judgment ‘
After watching The Art of Living series and reading some of K’s teachings, I was haunted, even in my dreams, to answer a question he asked. “Is it possible for the mind to empty itself of its contents?
He’s the best
Around 20mn and something, instead of "choicelessly aware" I would say "equanimously aware", i.e. without judging ,without reacting with craving or aversion, just seing things or people as they really are, not as we would like them to be! I think and hope Krishnamurti ji would agree... I thank him for his way of teaching and making people aware and analyse what has become so reactional in our way of living and interacting with people and nature.
Thank you
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Beyond myth and tradition of K. Amazing series.
“There is no choice in love.”
Love is choice-less
Jk the greatest ♥️♥️ thank you eternally
I just love this man's teaching🙇🙇🙇🙇🙇🙇🙇🙇🙇🙇
Me too! His teachings have justified and helped me understand the non dual states I've had through dmt and meditation. Best of luck on your path!
When the mind is totally silent without any ripples then only there is seeing the world as a whole without any division and direct perception.
Can you see it as whole ?
"Reality cannot flower because the ME is blocking ... See things as they are. Always know what I am."
What is the "I"? My thoughts, actions or reactions or inactions, ideas, likes or dislikes, feelings, what I say do think feel ... along the relationship, conflicts. This "I" must be very watchful ... taking 100% responsibility, over everythingamasics ...
thanks
I see that the PRIEST is very intellectual and deeply analytical.
Very thoughtful and listens so deeply.
Analytical and not an actor or a public speaker.
VERY INTELLECTUAL!
1 second is enough to experience eternity❤
The whole emphasis is on seeing what-is, as it is.
......and then?
@@nwoksh and in that observation, one realises the whole structure and operation of thought. Thought creates the' me" and then acts to be its servant. The 'me' is borne out of thought not the reverse. 'me' appears when you have a confit between two ideas or emotions etc....
Listen to more of K's and Bohms conversations.
Very much impressed by Father Eugene Schallert.
I don’t know how everything he’s saying I feel like I have known them in my mind. Since I was born this like watching my thought
Thank you sir 🙏🏾
This makes sense according to the Sikh scripture that it is happens instantly. You cannot will it, force it, practice it or do something to cause it. All of the sudden after hearing this all the light bulbs going off in my head. Thank you universe, really needed this.
This is profound. Thank You.
Choiceless awareness is a Miracle phase given by J.K
This is the great conversation 🙏🙏🙏
I’ve never seen someone challenge Krishnaturti this way and keep him on his toes. I’d love to see more dialogue between these 2
When you let go of the ego there is a stillness in which you can look at the me from the outside.
I had this unusually marvelous experience once
J.Krishnamurthy saying quite similar to what Buddha said.
Buddha preached you're just made of 5 aggregates. When he taught mindfulness he said when you see, simply see. Feel, simply feel. Don't grasp it or judge based on your view of reality. Only that way you'll fully experience reality and will be free from suffering, as it's our judgement of wanting reality to be our way(which comes from the idea of 'me') that makes us suffer.
Interviewer is soo good.
Look at his spark in his eye!
10:48 The very perceiving in the act of emptying ( of the mind. )
These videos are so precious and timely in the now world. Lovely.
Lovely conversation ❤
can that whole content be taken out? No it stays. Simply grateful learning a new method. Keys to the Kingdom.
Interesting conversation
Yes, I really enjoyed hearing these truths shared in a conversational format.
yep his way to word it is sometimes too simple or too complex. i like what he says, but not how he says it. the language barrier is "real" there. easy to get stuck not understanding what he mean, Basicly exposing ego explaining 20 time "me isnt me with me not me without me concious conciousness"
O heaven and earth of how much your philosophy may know in the last of my days
last of days?
A whole new world over here , feels great
I loved the way that this interviewer asks questions
Thank you so much❤🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Very important post
If the man could only listen to Krishnamurti from a space of silence and openness and speak less....he would get it. Sigh😢
free of me and you for the unity