Ari Shafir & Howie Mandel argue about antisemitism | Rabbi Shais Taub reacts
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- čas přidán 22. 08. 2024
- Ari Shafir argues with Howie Mandel about whether there is actually a surge in antisemitism or not. I explain why they both have a point.
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I am not an Observant Jew. I don't wear a Yamika or a Jewish Star. But I am open about being Jewish, I have expereineced Anti-Semitism all my life. I have definitely experienced even moreAnti-Semitism since October 2023. I also live in New York City
Can you define what anti semitism is and how it impacted you.
I know anti semitism exists , but I have never seen it in America
It’s foolish to dismiss the college campus because those kids are our future.
Also, getting out into real life, my son’s Jewish school was vandalised in Melbourne and my niece had her school shot at in Toronto. It’s real.
Those things are terrible! I also heard about the school in Toronto, but I think one can argue that it's part of the "citizen app" phenomenon
The victims are people that are attacked... Which are the students. Any other thinking is deception
Wow... But Palestinians were attacked and physically harmed in the US... A 6 year old and 3 students...
@@tailoredfor831 oh stop with that. One or 2 incidents from idiots that were QUESTIONABLE. You compare that to what is oging on with the riots and intimidation all over. LOL. Clown stuff.
Yeah but there's been a surge in actual antisemitic incidents according to ADL data culled from police reports across the USA. So it is statistically significant.
😂😂😂😂😂.... mayors are paid off through campaigns, eric adams was exposed and im sure he was 1 of many. The police departments are usually in cahoots with the mayoral office. ADL getting information from people that constantly falsify documents isn't a win. If these incidents were true, where is the evidence? Like the lady that claimed she got poked in the eye with a "flag pole", went around on many platforms lying to spread her agenda. Those are real incidents and it inflates numbers while ignoring people who are actually being physically attacked but labeling them in a way where their voices are not heard.
I'm a secular Israeli Jew currently living in the US. Ppl say awful things about Jews next to me bc they don't know I'm Jewish. (I heard an elevator conversation in my building explaining why Jews are stealing Christmas...)
Oh wow, they said it because they DIDN'T KNOW that you were Jewish?!?! Wow, I wonder if that is the same as people who are ATTACKED for what they obviously are vs people saying horrible things around you because they DIDN'T KNOW that particular person was actually standing there......not the same thing. It's horrible you experienced it, but you shouldn't minimize real acts of hate
I bet you’re very active in American politics
@@tailoredfor831 I have kids who are being bullied, harassed, and PHYSICALLY attacked for being Jewish in school. This is happening all over the country and to deny it because you didn't experience it personally is incredibly dismissive.
As a recent arrival from Israel, you probably do not know about Christmas in Americas past.
Christmas was a national holiday very recently and older Americans resent Christmas being removed from public life.
Do you think Christmas is anti semitic?
Do you think the gospel is anti semitic?
Do you think the original version of mel Gibson's " The Passion " was anti semitic?
Most Americans do not .
Most Americans want Christmas celebrated openly in public .
I believe that Ari and Howie are not listening to each other. If they were they would undoubtedly agree that instances of anti-Semitism are rising in the USA and Europe. Jew hatred was never as overt as we have seen in recent months. Particularly on college campuses which is very concerning. In the past anti-Semitism may have been more latent but today it is out in the open.
To Ari's point - it's irrelevant whether individuals experience it more often. IT EXISTS MORE OPENLY TODAY. Not just on social media. So lets talk apples and apples, not apples and oranges.
People who do go about their daily lives do feel the tension to the point that many are asking if they may remove their yarmulkes etc. As I am sure you must have heard.
Im at DePaul University and the anti-Semitism has been through the roof. Outside of DePaul, I have really only been met with love :) Online, that’s a different story. People online are terribly ant-Semitic.
Thank you for sharing your real life experience.
AT DePaul University- Would you say rthat most of the Anti-Semitism comes from Specific Ethnic or Racial Groups.? I am not just thinking about Arabs and Muslims. (Actually most Copitc or Chrsitian Arabs seem like really nice, grat People_), but about Black People. I think there is a lot of Anti-Semitism in the Black Community, Grabbing on to the so called Pro-Palestinian Cause is a good way for Black= Anti-Semites to manifest their Anti-Semitism including sometimes physically assaulting Jew in a way that is considered Socially Acceptable. What do you think of what I said.?
Hey you! Im an older jewish therapist here in Chicago IF you ever need a free ear to cry on. The campus’s here have been awful. Most sensible Americans are with us Jews though, even if silent. You are so brave!
I Love and Honor the Jewish people. I’m a Christian and I know I would be nothing without the Jews. I try and fight antisemitism online and our church has been helping displaced Israeli families. We love you all 🙏
You think you would be nothing without Jews?
How do you suppose Jews made you into a something?
As an American Jew, with a non Jewish British father (raised in England), who grew up in the suburbs of Boston (not the Jewish ones), antisemitism and micro aggressions with antisemitic undertones, have existed even from my own father, unconsciously, throughout my 37 years of life.
I have never felt in physical danger for being Jewish here in the US, but I have never felt like I fit in fully with the Catholic/Christian ingroup that in American society thrives, even though most claim they are athiest. I believe that jews, starting with the religious core, inherently are taught to be more introspective of themselves, and it is instilled in our faith to question whether we alone are at fault for experiences, which makes us less likely to fully see humans hating us. I agree with what you said; jews are taught hope and peace, so assume others are like that too.
Very interesting, especially the last point. Thank you so much.
Tell me about the subconscious micro aggressions with anti semitic undertones through your 37 years of life.
Is it anti semitic to say you have daddy issues?
I grew up secular, only recently started wearing my Magen David, but I’ve always experienced antisemitism. It’s like they smell my Jewishness to where they knew I was Jewish before I realised it, now I know why grandma always said ‘we can’t let them see our Jewishness’ ….. they saw it anyway
Good thoughts. There was also a nice moment in the longer discussion where Howie was talking down on education a bit and Ari defended how he deeply values the critical thinking skills he acquired through his yeshiva education even though he is non practicing.
Maybe we need to make a second clip.
@@SoulWords Haha maybe! I don't think youtube is allowing me to post a link but for anyone interested it is around timestamp 45:35 of the full podcast episode on Howie's channel
I personally have had a very different experience. In public schools in Florida and Ohio, in the USAF, and in Australia I experienced real antisemitism. It exists.
i had a very different experience in life too
exactly.. As an adult I don't encounter a lot and am at home a lot.. But when I was in school even a jewish school, the antisemitism was going between school and home. The school even had a special coach for us. Other schools pupils used public busses , lots of problems. (not just an internet thing). This rabbi is misleading and wrong.
Against who? maybe the person was a jerk. antisemitism is not antizionism. Zionism is apartheid and war expansionism.
@@weneedcriticalthinking You are not grasping a thing. When a school pupil is walking back from school and somebody shouts "this is what we do to F-ing yids", and kicks them, then that's not "anti zionism". Or put out a cigarette in the hair of a jewish pupil on a bus because they go to a jewish school. You talk of "critical thinking" clearly you have none of it
It sounds like you have no idea what Zionism means. Perhaps you should actually look it up.
Great point about Boomers. I used to see this with people who sat at home and watched news channels all the time, too. As a European-American mutt, I have actually experienced racism, and have watched friends of various ethnic/racial/cultural/religious groups experience genuine prejudice. I have also seen them make assumptions about why someone was treating them poorly to avoid the responsibility for how they influenced the situation.
As an autist, I have had incidents of blatant mockery and abuse which I could have taken to court. I know what it feels like to be abused for who you are at a fundamental level. I also know that this ugly behavior is most common in people who are insecure about themselves. I believe that if we each take responsibility for ourselves, and we are able to make everyone feel safer to be themselves too, that we will see such incidents become more rare.
I have beautiful interactions with all kinds of people in real life, and often surprise them by disagreeing respectfully as well. The people who have taught us the most about the good that humans can do are those who have been through the worst of what humans can do and somehow never lost their humanity.
Thank you, Rabbi Taub, for your ceaseless outreach, kind heart, and willingness to explore such topics. My friends keep wondering if I'm going to convert because I'm always sharing your teachings, but maybe it's somehow important that I share my love for HaShem and Yiddishkeit as an outsider? It can't be a mistake.
I am soooo glad you are here! the algorithm sends lots of ND people to this channel. I am beginning to think that anybody who sees my videos come up in their youtube feed should get a diagnosis.
Thank you rav shais for giving us a hopeful perspective.
There definitely is an uptick in antisemitism
That being said there's a loud minority who might be antisemitic, and a silent majority who are good people
Try checking how it is for Jewish children.
I will preach to the choir. I drive Uber, and have wonderful positive experience, in conversation with my passengers.
While I was a fan of Ari earlier comedy skits as a Jewish person he has very little to do with identifying as a Jew and although he grew up going to yeshiva he’s views are more blasé
The guy's one of those pandering, atheist jews. Terrible behavior.
With all due respect and appreciation for your videos: a conversation between 3 elder cis men is a pretty limited perspective on this topic.
In all honesty- as a millennial lesbian trans woman in a liberal coastal city, antisemitism is the flavor of my everyday life. I think as someone who is already much more vulnerable and marginalized in society, I am a much easier target for antisemitism. It totally is THAT bad. Its been utterly life-altering and upending for me. And for now, you're a lot more protected and sheltered from experiencing the brunt of it like more oppressed people like me. But we are observing it to continue to escalate, normalize and expand in society. And I quite honestly wish male Jewish leaders and figures would start taking my voices like mine more seriously than they have. Tbh, after Oct 7, I'm not sure I can imagine any Jewish woman anywhere in the world making that same argument as the guy who disagreed with Howie Mandel, unless she's still in some form of denialism.
Also, from my life perspective, you are not pointing to the most relevant generational differences.
I think antisemitism is far far worse amongst Gen Z and millenials than amongst older generations. It's honestly worse than what Gen X and Boomers have experienced in their lifetimes. So, as a late 30s millenial, I definitely do think that older generations should be taking younger Jews' alarms bell more seriously than a lot of them are. In our daily lives we are literally regularly experiencing the same kinds of things that Soviet Jews experienced. We see that antisemitism keeps harderning and we are hella scared of our own generations gaining more power and influence over the years.
Older male Jews don't have to worry about these societal dynamics so much yet. But if you don't start truly listening to other sorts of Jewish demographics, and don't use your privilege and power to do more to organize against it-you might start feeling it more in your personal lives too sooner or later.....
Very interesting
I am a boomer and I don't believe it's another citizen app. I am very active in letter writing and there is a lot going on because of the pro-Palestinian thing not in everyday action between people. It's being taught in school
At my daughters college many if the anti Israel protesters were Jewish, including many of the organizers. I think young people know the difference between Israel and Jewish people.
many? token jews arent many
you and the rest of the asajews are the problem
And at the same time, Jewish students get harassed and even assaulted on college campuses, so you can't say what's going on on college campuses in not anti-Semitism. And as for the Jews that are involved with the pro-Palestinian protests, there are Americans who bash America, so it doesn't mean anything. And just as there are Jews who bash Israel, there are Arabs who speak in her defense. One is Mosab Hassan Yousef, the son of a jailed Hamas leader. He will be the first to tell you that Israel is NOT stolen land, the Palestinians are NOT oppressed, and there is no such people as the Palestinians.
eisav soneh l'yaakov
to deny the above is to deny reality
I am not Jewish. Zionist are turning me into an Anti-Zionist, not Anti-Semetic. I will always love and support my Jewish friends.
That is a common copout statement from anti-Semites. Saying you don't hate Jews, you just hate Israel is like saying you don't hate the Irish, you just hate Ireland. You are saying Jews should not be allowed to have a country, and that is anti-Semitism.
@@revacohen So not liking israel for bombing civilians and their various war crimes is anti semitic? gotcha.
Why do you feel the need to emphasize you belong to a group that has separated itself from the rest of humanity?
To say that Jews have separated themselves from the rest of Humanity is a lot of Crap.
Please explain
@@HoldenNY22 There is no other metonymy whether it be nationality, ethnicity, religious grouping etc etc, that need to state their affiliation as being of paramount importance while considering their mindset in relation to the rest of the humanity, so to say it is crap, is flat out denial of why there is a need to state such in the first place. As it is, i understand the scriptures that the israelites were given, probably better than you do, so why not face reality instead of being a golem with truth removed from your forehead.
@@infiniti28160 Since you "understand" scripture better than we do :) Whats the significance of Abraham, and his life? His mindset "in relation" to the rest of humanity, was considered as paramount importance, to the creator of life, G-D. He the very first monotheist, among a world full of polytheists and idol worshipers, including his very father.
2024 (5784) is no different than 2000 BCE (2000)......a very few that are faithful, among a world of pagans and idol worshippers.......
Excuse us for thinking that we live moral lives, while the rest of the world, plays jury and judge, with little basis of morality.
@@MrInfinite43 I see you hiding behind a collective, as saying "we",, do you think your god judges you individually or as a group? I dont see any good coming from discussing what the god of israel requires from the individual, if im explaining to somebody that cant even understand the premise itself. Using the lords name in vain is something you should meditate upon.
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