Why I'm starting to hate my favorite video game
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Bro as someone who quit League 3 years ago, then picked up Smite for a little while, I can honestly say MOBAs are terrible. Smite devs are probably some of the most disillusioned money grubbers in the industry.
As I have played league from 2011, and before that, so I can vouch that league can be demoralizing. Find good people to play with who have temperament control, and for climbing..... You'll have to look inward for that strength 😂
i had a game, where i was jungler. and they locked in bard nunu bot.
they literalyl followed me around all game so i couldnt get any farm.
if i went to lane, they owuld take the farm and leave me to die .
if i went to jungle they would follow me in jungle.
if afk at base. they afk at base.
if i stand nex to something and dont try to take it. neither would they.
so just standing around my jungle waiting for them to get bored.
and they would try and out back me so if i did try to back. they would just cancel back and take more shit.
was a total clown fest.
It could be worse, Rav. You could be playing with someone like me, who due to poor performances in game, doesn't deserve to exist IRL.
Riot should actually start banning trolls when people report them. The problem starts there - people don't get punished for actively trying to sabotage games.
the worst part about this is riot actively bans the people reporting them instead because the trolls report normal humans for "toxicity" and apparently asking someone not to run it down is toxic
yes but then the contra argument is that ppl like these would just lose and report other 4 players for dumb reason and those 4 players are gonna get banned for just trying so it is unfair too
@@nyambayartogtohtur1525 Who's the report system going to listen to? The guy reporting 4 teammates or the 4 teammates all reporting the same guy?
@@jsands5555 That's walking on a very thin line as then a premade can report someone for whatever reason.
League is 100x better after you turn off all chat, and mute your team mates. My chat box is the smallest allowed by Riot, and I would still like them to give me an option to turn off so it doesn't waste screen space.
Jokes aside your mental is actually really good, like the fact that you are still trying hard and even saving her after she insulted and griefed you is actually really impressive and says a lot about your character, respect bro.
I did that a lot and I was called "tryhard guy" and "let it go man we can't win.. I don't want to go in a 40 min game"... I uninstalled like 2years ago.. best thing to do.
dude how did we come to this
not being a pathetic crybaby is now considered impressive and respectable
and not just in League, in life also
we live in a world where this is considered impressive... oh to live in a world where people just... play. the. game.
too many people cant take a loss. its sad, even if you're losing, your gaining experience on a campion, limit test a bit. (especially if everyone does this where you obv dont hard lose cause of trolls)
The worst part about this is that people don't believe the frequency of how often people soft int in lower elos. Soft int/trolling/people giving up completely happens in like 50% of my games. Then when you report them they NEVER get banned. I love playing this game but half of the time I do I am meant with any of those listed people. It's slowly ruining the game for me and I am now questioning whether or not I want to continue playing which is sad because I love playing the champs I main.
im gold 3 and this happens at my 87% of my games i cant have fun anymore :c
I was consistently in Diamond in seasons 8-10. In season 11, I created a new account to duo with a friend, and struggled to escape Gold, entirely due to coinflip teammates. That experience alone made me stop playing ranked entirely for over a year. I came back about 2 months ago to give it another go, and it's somehow gotten worse, between teammates mental + the game's balance state.
I think people easily accept that it happens. They just assume that it's happening to you as much as its happening to the other team and therefore isn't a handicap. That's a mostly valid assumption.
If you are getting inted more than your fare share either you are a known personality (ultra minority) or you are causing the behavior yourself. Riot's match making system isn't out to get you (or anyone else) so the inters, trolls, people with weak mental are evenly distributed.
@@falandfriends4760 Sure, by law of averages, it happens to both sides equally. The issue with that is that the trolls' ability to lose a game far outweighs a skilled player's ability to win a game. This is especially the case if you're not playing a hypercarry.
Instead of having a 60-80% win rate when playing in ranks far below your skill level, you instead have a maybe 55% win rate. Over 20 games, you establish a 1-2 win surplus, meaning you climb very slowly.
The net result is that people who play 1000+ of games per season will probably end up in the right rank, but people who play a few games a week at most will stagnate far lower then where they should be, their games remain frustrating the entire time, and this frustration (along with the aforementioned balance issues) is a large part of what drives people away from league, IMO.
It's extremely uninviting to new players, it's uninviting to casual players, and it's uninviting to seasoned veterans unless LoL basically the only game they play. It creates a dead sea effect.
Tbh low elo soft inting is always going to happen they still knows jack shit about the game I don't think it's they're at fault, but what I can't stand are people not understanding and even after I explained the situation still try to flame you with absolute nothingness they don't know how to play and should own up to it
Its a psychological effect called "self-fulfilling prophecy" which turns people from trying harder to compensate for the bad team to inting. Because when people think a game is lost and they don't give any effort in or even put effort into losing, their thoughts are "justified" after and confirms their initial false belief that the game was lost. Trying harder to compensate will just make the person experience cognitive dissonance where they believe that trying harder will make them win which is then in conflict with the result of them trying harder and losing. So the mind resorts to the self fulfilling prophecy in order to prevent cognitive dissonance
aight thats my social psych 2cent peace
for what it's worth, those people should take their a$$e$ on simpler games like tetris where they dont have to face cognitive dissonance: it is safer for them and for the rest of us if they do. And for that to happen Riot should actively issue temporary exclusion bans from ranked queues, like 2/3 days.
At the same time why even play league then? Like ofc you will make mistakes every now and then. To start playing a ranked game with a mind set of - okay, i will try to win to climb ( otherwise play normals, right?) And then after a questionable play ( which happens even in the highest of elos) just give up and try to lose..
Like imo it's more rewarding to win a game from a losing posision which is much harder ofc and takes a lot more effort than winning already a won game if that makes sense
@@Bergyn I think the goal (at least in korea) is to practice getting ahead, so you're improving by making consistent proactive plays rather than playing off your opponents inconsistent mistakes.
In other regions, I'm pretty sure people are just tilted a-holes who came online to vent away a bad day at work/school.
Well, we got into a lot of losing game and often in the pre 5 minute marks where the enemy botlane got 6 kills for no reason. But then other lanes are looking good. Which means we still have chance to find a comeback, as long as top, mid and jungle doing well. But then... what happens if all lanes turned to be massacred. And the score look like 0-15 in pre 10 minutes mark, while all outer towers also gone and enemy team got drakes and herald too. I don't think we need to consider to give effort in that game anymore and just let it go. Coz it would waste time to do so. The problem is, most of the team mate I got would vote NO than surrendering and dragging the game to lose even more. It then become 20 minutes of hell and still a lose. I don't know why people always think they can carry a game, but sometime it is okay to surrender. Obviously if the gap is just too wide. But then four or three people will still vote NO and play like shits. RIOT should consider something of a much better surrender vote system so these kind of people won't gonna hostage others (when they also the one who fed the enemy and cause the lose). Also, losing que should not be a thing. I got 10 plus games where most of my team mates are either in lower ranks of mine and the enemy, or simply just dumb.
@@fazbaral-falah1486 You should finish out a game regardless. If someone has to win to have fun, then they have bad sportsmanship. Its about making plays and improving, having fun and trying your best. Team morale is #1, and if its a loss, lose as a team. Not like sour, salty, bitch babies...
Loving all these comments that are like "I totally agree Rav, that's why whenever I run into these trolls who try to lose the game by dying once before 5 minutes I just soft int their lane! :)" Like they literally don't realize they're the ones being called out here.
Eh, you'd be no better than them at that point.
@@vaughntwo-three3721 Some famous quote about hating something/someone so much you become the thing you hate, etc.
@@YuYuYuna_ great quote
@@YuYuYuna_ Thats how Yasuo players are born
Ah the abuse victim becoming the abuser... What goes around goes around.
One of the saddest days in my life was when Riot removed the tribunal, because that shit was comedy gold to me, but i guess it's not a good thing for them to have it show how the game really is
I feel this. At one point, going through the Tribunal to see the insane shit happening in the reports was more fun than actually playing the game.
I wonder if theres a reasoning for that. Why cant they provide status for our report? Why do they hide their intentions? I feel like they deliberately want us to waste our time lol
Some people were making groups to vote false-positives. Makes sense they removed. But still. There's no healing when the game devs only care about esports. League and fortnite are the sewage system where the majority of the most toxic players reside. I fear the day League servers ever shut down.
That's not the reason in the slightest lmao.
Everyone and their mother knows/knew league was toxic.
You can literally do a quick google search on the tribunal and you'll see why it was removed.
It was a disaster.
@@walter4180 mb, idk anything about it. But it infuriates me we have almost no tools to deal with trolling and how it seems riot isn't even trying
The fact that someone can just be like "damn we lost" 5 min into the game and just int for 25 min after that is just tragic. The fact that Riot continues to let it happen is worse, but expected. Either the player base is going to have to come to the realization that the game is still up for grabs at the 5 min mark, and not give up. Or Riot will actually have to start banning people.... and I can almost promise you Riot will be doing fuck all.
then answer me: if you were riot, would you start banning a large piece of your buying customers? because it's all there
@@michelepiazza3601 Yes, I would. Square bans people in FF14 and it's a game that you have to buy and pay a subscription. Their playerbase is happy and you have a hard time finding toxic players, because those who are keep quiet 'cuz they know they can be banned in case they type something that breaks ToS. Any kind of offense is bannable there and their GMs actively play the game, in case you get reported for actually doing something, chances are a GM brings you to in-game jail to talk about the report and see your side of the history, or you might just get banned without warning if there's visual proof of whatever you did. Point being, if Riot never do anything the playerbase will shrink eventually. No one pays the internet to get verbally abused by random people or worse.
@@ramontavaresdacruz2256 i really hope so mate...but these trolls also swipe their moms credit card daily to indulge in skins thinking it'll boost their brain-hand coordination. So yeah as others said, why would riot ban walking wallets? 😔
A banned player can't buy skins
I remember when ranked was a gamemode that people actually had respect for. The players had honor and if someone intentionally fucked you they'd get 9 reports every time. Now I lose braincells just thinking about playing it because I know that somehow it's worse than blind pick these days
those are just fairytale stories from what I can remember tho
@@Cosmopolit257 nah back in early seasons ppl took it more seriously, i was there 3000 years ago
@@jinxsoderling1399 back in the early seasons people would start flaming each other during/because of ban phase lmao
Riot needs to see this. It feels like a miracle to have a full team of 5 without toxicity
Just saw this in my reccomended and I gotta say that, Honestly, This man speaks the truth, It wasn't his fault it was his teams we clearly noticed what was going on, I mean I know what is it like to get a useless support who isn't supporting and I was always the one who cared for my carry building full support and taking all items to protect him, In solo q it's tragic and everybody thinks they are gods so that is also why it's another reason why I quit league and haven't been playing the game for almost 2 years now, No arams, No ranked, No fun modes I just moved on to different games.
Your intentions seem pure but people will stop watching him, he thrives off of the incompetence he sees in solo queue but it's just catching up to him how stressful and bad it has gotten for people who are actively trying to learn and improve and try hard on ranked.
Go watch Neace's Ezreal sup video from last week. He stole farm, inted, never set up kills or kept the enemy off his obvious noob Kai'sa, provided little vision, flamed, then changed his intended build from Imperial for that glacial cheese into... Goredrinker. Because ofncourse an underlevel Ez goes into melee range. Late game he even steals the entire blue side jg... again, as a sup. I roasted him but his groupies are groupies.
I'm a sup main, would love to play Rakan and some enchanters. But I'm trapped in low elo, so I stick with Swain. That means I can be a cc threat and snipe everywhere with w, but I can also build mage IF I need to late game for that extra punch (not because I crippled my adc).
Team diff exists, especially with the onslaught of Arcane noobs in Iron/Bronze since November. I don't understand why coaches and such refuse to acknowledge it. This is a team game, which means if anyone on the team is throwing it ruins it for everyone.
@@Undomaranel totally agree bro the high elo players always saying you need to carry but you can't carry trolls
@@Undomaranel Check my comment to hezo
I've been saying it for the last 2 years: I love the game, hate the community.
Agreed. I’ve been playing for two years too and it seems the more I play the more toxic it gets. Like everyone who was just starting out was so kind and patient with one another so obviously we would win more games. But this year it feels pretty impossible to win when you’re getting flamed, pinged, and people inting your lane so hard that you lose no matter what. It’s really lame
I love the game, hate the developers and the community. Really wish they would fix their game.
The community is toxic b/c of the game's system that was recently changed when Tencent took over a few years ago. They altered the ranking system which has had a terrible impact on players' mental. In S6, for example, not only could I hard carry a game of donkeys, but it would only take me a small amount wins to get into high plat/low dia. Now? It's just not worth the mental effort with hidden MMR which makes losing just one game more costly than it appears...If you go on a losing streak and your MMR tanks? You'll win less LP than you lose. The system is aids and it should've never been implemented, from a game play perspective...However? From a business perspective, it's a means to sell more skins.
hate the EOMM
@@jaobidan2358 -18 +9. So u have to win 2 more games to get back the LP of 1 loss. And they're hard games to carry. Queue up again and jg hits krugs while u get dove under bot tower, team types adc diff. -15. Now 4 games later and 2.5 hrs and ur still down 15 LP. Then do that for 600 games. Yeah it makes sense why the community is shit.
Yep, and I'll never get why people sabotage their own games by "soft inting" when we're all playing ranked to climb.
In my recent game I told our Nocturne jungler to ult soraka so we can win maybe, and that resulted with Nocturne ulting Soraka whenever he can even if it's 1v5 to prove the point of its unwinnable. I'm Silver 3.
And I know that the report AI won't count that as anything cause it's not swearing or insulting, or clear inting. It's infuriating. Then there are people who say "It's OK report me I have 10 accounts", I love the game but the toxicity ruins it.
they're not playing ranked to climb
The nocturne probably thought u were flaming him, and responded accordingly. You are silver 3 because you don't actually know how the game works, don't tell other people what to do unless you are really sure you know what you are talking about.
@@danneltheflannel you are literally what this video is about
@@SnekkySnek Nah, I mute all and just play the game.
they dont even ban clear inting either
I like to fallback to the saying: "Don't hate the player, hate the game". If the penalty system would actually work properly, people wouldn't take justice into their own hands. I can't tell how many times someone was softing or even just plainly running it down, I had reported them after the game, and receiving no feedback of them getting a penalty. This causes people to want to punish them in game, either by also running it down, or going afk which only decreases the joy of other players in the game.
the joke is that even with a good penalty system, there's still the minor problem of level 30 accounts starting at $5.
Your never going to get away from soft inting. Get that out of your head, a small mistake ends up being considered "soft inting"
The penalty system wouldn't change a thing, even if it worked properly (which is pretty much impossible to achieve) The big underlying problems are actually smurfs/ cheap, bought accounts. Nobody gives a fck if they get banned, cause they can just buy a second account for like 3 bucks and do their shit all over again
@@SmallVictories9 But you can definitely punish people outright saying that they are going to soft int.
@@ozfan6
That's actually a pretty good point.
Although I am pretty sure most people would just start a new account all over, banning people is not enough to get them out of the game.
This is quite literally one of the main reasons I uninstalled. It's frustrating. Like I know I am low elo but trying to improve doesn't feel worth the many bad games I get into. People just give up, flame, etc. Just muting doesn't help because people will just leave the game, etc.
People are the same on your team and their team. Stop thinking you magically got shit teammates and enemy got Faker and rest of the gang... You just remember all the shit games more because they were painful, and click play next when u get carried and forget even which champ carried you.
@@Bleckyyyy You can most definitely think you're right. I am NOT referring to skill level here. So NO. I don't believe the enemy team has faker or whatever pro player you want to throw in here. There are so many games when teammates say, "I am going to int", they run right under towers and stand there, they just afk in base, they afk jungle the entire game, etc. I am not THINKING anything. I KNOW that I have teammates that deliberately feed and give up, etc. I can most definitely tell when people are having a bad game and I am not the type to flame anyone as it's a waste of time. I am just stating MY observations in MY games. People come and reply comments like these acting like this community isn't one of the most toxic gaming communities ever. Stop trying to defend the people who are DELIBERATELY trying to throw games. I am just stating my experience after watching Rav's video.
First you can never see the enemy chat so it would he impossible to know what they said in other games. Another thing is that you feel worse cause its a inter on your team but never remember that the enemy also ints. Try yo compare the times a teammate and an enemy inted, which can't be 100:0 as its statistically impossible
@@xkaedos5960 My point was that you never remember enemy feeders... You just collect their gold and move on. Your brain doesnt get tilted from enemy feeding. Thats why it feels your team feeds more ^^
@@Bleckyyyy Ah I see. Yeah text doesn't always translate well. Yes definitely.
I am an adaptive systems engineer, I could literally build an AI that checks reported games for inting behaviours. It is not extremely difficult... My question is why the F they haven't done this yet...
because toxic players are still players. in fact, toxic players are probably more obsessed the game than anyone else. riot still wants them playing the game and spending money so they just let them be
Because that would be admitting there's a problem. Riot doesn't like to do that.
When has an engineering problem ever been as easy to solve as it looks from the outside? As an engineer, you should know better than to 'know better'. If you read Riot's /dev articles on the topic (the most recent one is about 2 months old), you'll also know that they have a dedicated team working on the issue. If you can do it better than them, maybe apply for a position.
@@Zevrael, I'm not a professional software engineer, but a lot have weighed in on Riot's client. The problem is Riot creates faulty systems and applications. Instead of making something big, they make something small and do a bunch of band-aid fixes and workarounds. I remember when this client dropped, it was WAY better than the old one. Now? It's had so many patches and poor fixes that it's almost as bad as the old one.
@@Zevrael Look, I love the game, but as Rav said, I also hate it. I know my branch of engineering is fairly small, and that most of us apply for autonomous vehicles jobs rather than games (myself included).
But it also pains me to see the solution when "nothing" happens. It's good that they have a dedicated team, but this has been a problem for a long time and its not getting better. They need to change strategy.
(And of course it will take maybe even a year to implement an AI that can solve the problem. Not downplaying this at all. But they should have started on something like that more than one year ago.)
(Also, now I see that I sounded fairly arrogant. That was not my intention. Too me "extremely difficult" means almost impossible, like solving general AI. Compared to that, pattern recognition in a game is MUCH easier :) thats all.)
100% relate to this. It’s almost like people want the game to be no longer enjoyable. I used to spend hours on end playing league and now I dread even opening it, just because I know it’s going to make me rage.
Tyler's Law: "In every game, there is going to be at least 1 troll, and every troll will have a 90% to be in your team"
The thing is you never know whats happening in enemy chat etc. It's harder to tell when the enemy throws compared to your own team.
@@Schwachsinnn my guy. the last 5 games i eaither have afk aphelios jungle, pantheon and lee bot, someone who is 0/11 and and emeny who is 20/1 the first 10 minuites while the enemy teams are just perfect
@@tasosplat3589 I also had 4 games in a row where ppl went afk (3 of these were during my promos to Plat lol), yet I have also had some games where we surprisingly had a comeback after an enemy 8 k gold lead, just to be spammed in all chat about who to report by the enemy. I mean we played it very well from a certain point, but I would have never noticed the toxicity within the enemy team, if not for the last 30 s of the game.
*100%
What we really want is a game that requires the same real-time input and processing that league has, without all the stress of playing league.
It's the players that ruin the game the game itself is ok.
just needs some sort of objective based 1v1 or PvE gamemode
@@mag51284 We need Dominion back 💀
Without riot flooding it with bots, some minor fixes, and riot actually giving it a ranked mode or some incentive to play it.
An isometric hack&slash rpg maybe?
A big part of the success of League is due to the negative emotions that it invokes into the players, it reinforces their addiction to the game
Shockingly, I actually started playing league at the end of last year. Everyone I spoke to said I was insane and it was a serious mistake to the point where before I even loaded into my first match I disabled chat both for my own team and enemy team.
Honestly, just doing that and being completely oblivious to how LoL is played was probably more fun than people give credit for. Actually did enjoy myself and it was fun managing CS, tracking Jung position etc etc .......
And then I wanted to try playing the game properly and turned chat on...
I might as well have been opening my window to an apocalypse because all you see are toxic twats crying at eachother because of their own incompetence and/or raging because their ego is as frail as a 1mm sheet if glass being thrown at a 19ft boulder gone chain-chomp from Mario.
And like the sane individual i be, I disabled chat immediately, shut the curtain pretended it doesn't exist and now rarely touch the game since 🤷🏻♂️
Like I was genuinely surprised, I thought oh yeah I've played Valorant and overwatch how bad can it really be... And fk me i was wrong...
EUW may be toxic, but unlike NA it's very rare for people to throw, if you are ever gonna give LoL another chance I'd reccomend playing in EUW.
@@mountainwinds8985 Entirely untrue. Every other game I get somebody giving up and inting or just crying in chat, spamming /ff everytime its available, and this is in gold 2. Idk what rank u are but it's definitely not rare for people to throw.
@@kryptiikk Try NA it's way worse
@@mountainwinds8985 people troll so hard in solo q in euw wtf u talking about. high silver low gold is a cesspool. 1 invade and even your discord buddies are in your ears the whole match
Unfortunately, this video perfectly reflects my ranked experience over almost two years. I'll admit in the beginning it was my fault, as it was with all of us, while we learned the game. However, the last seven of my ranked matches have been corralling the mental health of people likely older than myself. One of my friends decided to try and grind the ladder anyway. After about a week he gave up and put it this way "it is incredibly disheartening when you look at map making callouts, rotating, nailing your cs, and play as a team member to minutes later see two allied lanes at each other's throats over literally nothing. Every game." As of late it feels that a league match, ranked or otherwise, is more of a slot machine than a team game. The jackpot is which team got the person who gives up first. Love your content Rav always gets a good laugh from me. gg.
Its funny. Iron and Bronze (since the game launch for bronze) have believed themselves to be elo hell. However gold and plat are the actual elo hell ranks. Its the peak of Dunning Kruger. A collection of people who mostly reached the elo through personal micro skill while ignoring the fundamentals of the game. They are so filled with ego because they can pilot a champ well that it causes them to be ultra defensive and stand offish. This leads to immediate tilt and even self sabotage so they can internally dismiss a failure justifying it through their own self assertion that it was their teams fault. This creates a toxic environment that bleeds off onto the rest of their peers who genuinely want to improve and creates a negativity spiral. They know just enough to be convinced they know everything.
And it gets worse every year as most those people never improve. They get saltier and quicker to throw. Team games are rough especially when you have the benefit of rarely if ever running into them again
well put
It happens in every rank. People are full of themselves because they either play well on avg or played well that one game. But not taking responsibility is mostly due to not understanding. If someone presses a button and a tree falls onto a car, the owner might get pissed at the guy pressing the button. Even if it was just a light switch. Not knowing the facts leads to misunderstandings.
Some bronze pleb thinking they played perfectly because they got 2 kills while having 5cs/m and not rotating anywhere will get angry because they don't understand the game but think they do. Why else would rift Alexa show his icon?
I play in Diamond right now and the main reason people get pissed is because one element they don't understand goes punished. These are all good players, but mistakes that they can't comprehend turn them into toddlers within seconds.
@@simmerke1111 well put
Well said.
@@PaladinfffLeeroy well put
To all my fellow warriors grinding it out in soloQ, don't underestimate the mute buttons ability to restore your joy from league, get you a girlfriend and possibly cure cancer. Thank you for coming to my TED talk
can vouch for my man, I have mute all on for only a week now. And i already started to notice that i almost got a date and my will to live is now practically on a acceptable level!
Alternatively, you can just type %i: in chat and disable it for everyone in the game
they can restore it by stio playing ranked lol norms is way more competitive cause people actually try to learn there lol
@@friskcorseuildasilva8263 me too, one person knew how to combat it but I just kept spamming it in chat so no one could type and he gave up eventually
@@friskcorseuildasilva8263 yeah that's what the dude was doing, I just had to type %i: to disable it again
DISCLAIMER: I'm Gold 3 in OCE and this is what I have learnt along the way of trying to climb in this game. Yes OCE and for those of you that will think OCE is a lesser region when it comes to league that's true in professional/higher elo but anything under plat or diamond even is just as terrible in any other region.
I started playing again 2 months ago as I also had given up on the game but was looking for a challenge so I thought I'd just try and climb by just maining Pantheon. I struggled at the start since I only last played in Season 9 before that and the game had changed quite a bit, also I was just testing out which lane i preferred to play Pantheon in as support and top were the most common options but i have found I enjoy him most in mid. (I know to some that becomes boring but as I will explain, you don't have to just main a single champion)
So how am I going about climbing? Start by muting everyone and focusing on yourself because the other players in your team are out of your control. You can ping them for guidance but dont bother explaining to them how to play the game, even if you are frustrated to the point you want to punch them through the screen. Pick a handful of champs to play (preferably easy ones) and main them because to get out of low elo you are going to have to be playing at your best and as much as people think they are good at a lot of champions, they aren't, otherwise they wouldn't be in low elo to begin with. (also do a bit of limit testing with them to figure out what you can do with them)
It helps to also just watch videos and see what other players in higher elo do and don't do in order to win their games. There is more to the game than just knowing how to play your favourite champs. If you are able to get good enough to the point where you actually feel like you should be playing at a higher level than what you already are and it is apparent in your games then your teammates will likely see that and it will have a positive effect on them. I get there are some idiots that will get annoyed at dumb things even if you are carrying but again you cant do anything about them. To end though, I'd suggest ditching norms, play strictly ranked and put more time into the game as all of what I mentioned requires time for you to even achieve it. Again that's if you want to actually climb and get good at the game. Anyway, hope this helps to anyone that reads it.
if u have time to play 4+ hours of league everyday, sure... I play about one ranked game per day for fun, then maybe a couple of TFTs and an ARAM,,, and even in "fun" gamemodes there is no fun anymore... if the world isn't devolving into a cesspool of human malevolence, the LoL playerbase surely is...
@@ginkamikaze2 if u only have enough time to play a couple of games a day then you shouldn't be expecting to get much in return. In ranked ull defs get idiots but if you are playing arams why should you be fussed about what others say or do? Just grab a mate or two and fuck around coz there is no negative consequence for losing. TFT doesnt interest me so i have no comment on that. Also, playing a competitive game solo is not fun unless there is some sort of progression. I quit playing CoD just cause of how sweaty the game gets due to skill based matchmaking. I use to love just going into lobbies solo and messing about but that's impossible to do now without getting hammered by kids that know the game better than they know their households. Anyway you just gotta figure out why you want to play games and pick those games accordingly.
@@ginkamikaze2 ARAMS and TFT, thats what I am talking about . since the day I stopped playing Ranked/Summoners Rift. my time at league has became 1000% better. specially playing TFT... If I finished 8th I know I really fucked up and I only have me to blame ...
Did I get it right that your suggestion is to just mute everyone and hope that you don't get inting idiots? Sounds like an ostrich policy to me.
@@mikelezhnin8601 No not just that. Im saying you should start focusing on the aspects you can control rather than on the ones you cant. The fact is that you will get those inting idiots and you can't do anything about it, everyone gets them at some point and sometimes you become that inting idiot yourself but you most likely wont see it like that because to you its just one bad game but to the rest of your team you are the inter. So thats why save your mental, dont interact with the idiots on your team and focus on yourself. What sounds like an ostrich policy to me is ignoring how you play and focusing on how others play.
I feel like you’re the only CZcams talking about this. I tried to post this topic on Reddit and it gets taken down every time (not allowed to talk about your personal games or something). At one point I had 9 of my 13 games trolled like this and there is no where to turn
Just stop playing league, I guarantee that you will feel weight off your shoulders.
There are a ton of videos about it on youtube. Exil, Voyboy, etc. Have all made them. They just don't make them on repeat. Fact is nothing has really changed in the past 3~4 years and riot doesn't care.
If only we had something other than SR for ranked, that might help solve the problem. Oh wait, we did, but it got removed, lol.
The whole fucking community: Do something about all the trolls and inting players!
Riot: *Oke guise here's another Lux skin*
league players need a dose of GIT GUD JUICE you literary see an akali wanting to surrender even though they were wining
ffs every game play there is always this guy who wants to surrender at 15 min for no real reason i lost some games becuse it happens i had 3 people with the same mentality even the enemy team was confused
ngl i'll always simp for lux
u kno the skin team isnt responsible for how riot treats their bans, right? they are two completely different teams
Newer league player here been playing less than a year i used to think the game was fun but people literally just troll every single game
What rank are you
@@sijio9718 honestly, whichever rank you are, there's always a troll so that's a pointless question since:
-if OP replies with low rank, you say "ohh there's a lot of trolls there"
-if OP replies with high rank, you say "maybe you're just getting unlucky with teammates"
True
I did too until I just kept playing alone, grinding to 30 to get to a respectable rank but realized it's better with friends
@@sijio9718 lol that has nothing to do with it. Rank means nothing in league. You've got people in diamond who play like bronze players, etc. The bottom line is the trolls are in every single rank or play.
Rav is the only league youtube channel that doesn't just gaslighting me into believing that it's entirely my fault that I'm not climbing and that all I need to do is mute the chat and buy control wards and flash aggressively to win every single game. I'm a jungle main and last night I had a game where I had a duo que yone mid and aatrox top who cumulatively died 10 times in 7 minutes and in response decided to take all of my jungle camps preventing me from levelling, since I didn't gank them while they were already dead. I actually had to re-enable the chat just so I could request that the other team report them.
I always have a thought of coming back to this game cuz I used to love it, glad to know I didn't miss out on much. Huge respect for Rav and everyone trying to deal with this every game, I just couldn't handle it.
That "Dick Swindle" joke was literally God-tier. Rav you have been the funniest LoL content creator since you got here....never change bro. From one of your day 1's.
In one of my games there was a yuumi who lost her earlier mach and was mad about it so she anounced that she didnt care about this game and went top lane to me what made me 2 levels behind volibear with 96% winratio so after i reached lvl 6 she went to other lanes than bot lane and harrased them after that game (we lost) i was wandering why riot allows people like this to play this game. So yeah i can relate to you Rav.
Exactly this and it is always a yuumi or a shaco i wonder why those champions have such a high troll density
riot allows this cause:
1: despite it feeling super obvious, it's very hard/almost impossible to properly detect and punish without punishing players, who did nothing wrong
2: players who'd get banned, would then just log onto one of their 12 other 2$ accounts and ruin the next game. Riot needs to find a way to make people care about their accounts again if they want punishments to have any impact at all
@@MrMettwurst96 I hate to say it but hardware bans should be put in place sooner or later... It would mean a lot more changes to league regarding people just consistently getting on to int and or troll games for "fun,"
@@kikicantu5934 Yea that would be the only solution probably. But it would, at the same time, probably make the playerbase way smaller, so it would be a really risky step to take
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i feel this, I started tracking my games in excel to see if it was some kind of loosing bias where i remember bad more then the good and i can say after tracking around 35 games its not seeming like that good of an outcome for game quality.
Just want to make clear; I have always admired you and Neace's work.
I mean you've kept lots of folks in the game when they were ready to get out.
I, personally can't help but see league like i do google/microsoft/apple... Just another company that hates it's users....(Try installing Linux XD on any laptop or PC you we're gonna throw away to discover a christmas miracle with Linux)
I held League of Legends on a marble pedestal in my heart for YEAAAARS 2011-2012 is as early as I remember. I've spent COUNTLESS hours of my life on this game. And last year? Inspired by you and Neace together along with others. I put my pedal to the mother F***ING metal and took the game extremely serious. And ya know what? I learned to do shit that blew my own f***ing mind... I learned how to HOLD my own against multiple players... I got a penta or two. I became a HARD leather hide in the face of any adversity in the rift. I EMRACED the retardation I knew was coming eith every game launched. I got so damn passionate that Rav even lit me up in one of his videos. Still honored and not offended because Rav and Neace are doing more to keep this carcass od a moba alive then the developers themselves. They REFUSE to listen to us. They take out game modes we loved. They REFUSE to fix the bugs. They have to rework things every year because it's such a mixmatch affair when it comes to stats and champs. It's obvious that some champs are favorited too. League of Legends has always had the potential to be the game among games! And instead.... Well... They make it so that players have to go through extraordinary hoops in order to get ahead; oh and lets say you go as far as to RECORD your clip, collect the gamer IDs and report it in a ticket ro riot directly (doing the damned work for them.) Then what? What do you get? Some generic auto response thats like "FEELS BAD MAN" They laugh at you!
And I'll still wear my tin foil hat proudly and say that this game is rigged. I still hold onto recordings and clips that show NOT JUST bad behaviour; but outright foul play beyond the normal toxic variant I'm talking CALCULUS level plays that you'd have to see to believe. (I reference a twitch with 20+ kills that basically made our team lose and was hiding out in the jungle all game, would run from barons, steal kills but NEVER advanced the game towards a victory, and thats the least of the shit I've seen)
F***ing dude... League makes me nervous. Cuz you know what? I still wanna play it..... It's fuggin drugs man. It's formula? Isn't what kills the game.
It's a very sad affair. I feel for you Rav because I know League is like your whole gig. But goddamn man.... League of Legends is the burger joint I wanna Burn to the f***ing ground for all of its BS.
EDIT: I JUST realized the solution.... We gotta have Elon Musk buy out League of Lrgends
"everyone is coming mid to take my exp and farm" i swear every midlaner in this elo shares the same crooked braincell if they think that they should be farming mid instead of side laning 24 mins in
As an adc main i fucking hate that they just sit in mid until 25 minutes not understanding what their role in the game is.
@@konradbrochocki4923 sometimes they will even ping the adc for "coming into their lane". my brother in christ, youre 3 levels above them with 15 kills and 20 escapes, maybe rotate bot and let poor jinx scale
@@bectip2229 Or gank a lane and pressure some objectives, use your lead to try and get the whole team an advantage
ok, but can you explain why every botlane that loses lane suddenly comes mid as if its an aram now? if im mid why would i go 1v2 the winning botlane that decides to continue pushing for a tier 2 tower. i would only rotate side for a winning lane. not people who saw a youtube video and come mid after losing their tower
@@fun_fax2879 its a cointoss, somewhere between 15-20 minutes bot should be taking over mid no matter the situation, but anything before that is kinda troll unless theyre super fed + got tower and are trying to end the game before everyone starts catching up to the curve they set. The idea could be that midlaners tend to be able to farm safer due to higher stats/better clear along with more outplay potential, but if the enemy bot is some shit like vayne naut and vayne is 2 items deep at 13 minutes then its fucked no matter. at the end of the day most league players arent human and its better to listen to your teammates and lose then to not listen, they all int, and then get blamed anyway
I'm in gold and this is absolutely normal. The funny thing is that it almost never happens in the enemy team.
Play with chat and pings off for 50 games, (if you are concerned leave junglers pings on if you play in lane as it's the only one that will actually matter 99% of the time) you'll start noticing trolls very rarely happen to you too. You don't notice 9/10 trolls when you have chat/pings off, soft inting just looks like a bad player when you don't have the context of them tilting out of their minds in chat.
Also if someone just afks your mind often assumes they disconnected not rage quit and it's so much easier on your mental.
It's kinda sad but if you play as though your entire team are bots that are randomly programmed to do weird unexpected shit then your mental is preserved quite well. Can be very hard to focus only on your gameplay when you know people were trolling etc.
You don't see trollers in the enemy teams easily because most of the times you think they are playing seriously unless you watch them actually doing something stupid. Many times you think they play bad just because of their lack of experience or because of lag, until the game is about to end and the enemies type -report our teammate... plz-. This year, almost half of my wins in S Rift happen with someone asking to report someone from their team or just me discovering that a certain enemy was AFK.
That is normal, if both teams have a troll they cancel each other out, making it a normal game xd thus every game you actually have a troll the enemy team doesn't lol
@@UnshakableStoic "...you'll start noticing trolls very rarely happen to you" Not true in the slightest. All muting chat/pings does is remove the toxic lil man childs who type in the game chat/spam ping you. Also if you can only notice soft inting when there's chat logs you have a very poor understanding of what soft inting looks like. There are more than plenty soft inting players who don't type anything (because they're trying to avoid the report bot flagging them) and when they get mad they just stop playing the game normally, they'll chain die 4 times in 2 minutes and type /mute all so they don't have to worry about their team. Or you'll get people like support/jg players who get mad and then start intentionally taking entire waves and trying to deny you farm. THAT is what soft inting is. It's not incredibly blatant (according to Riot's rules) but to anyone who plays the game it is obviously intentional trolling/griefing. A bad player doesn't just randomly start taking entire waves and following you around the map.
"Also if someone just afks your mind often assumes they disconnected not rage quit and it's so much easier on your mental." Maybe you're just a really strong optimist with people in gaming but I'm not. I /mute all every game and when I see the 0/4 ahri disconnect at 10 minutes I don't think "oh, they must've lagged out. they're going to come back and play it through" because I wasn't born yesterday and I've played this game for more than 50 games a season. People rarely ever genuinely disconnect in league. It still happens, but compared to the number of players who actively get pissed after 1-2 bad plays/deaths and leave the game, genuine disconnects are rare.
2,5 years without ranked. feels good man. i only play arams here and there and i can say im stress free. can't imagine going to ranked ever again this is nightmare lol.
I feel you mate, this is why I no longer play ranked and only really play normals/arams with friends.
I feel like people would be more willing to actually try if they didn't get relentlessly shit on for not being good.
Agreed
trashtalk and being """toxic""" is overrated. You can be toxic, as long as you try as hard as you can to win, i don't have a problem. If im being bad and youre poiting it out, trash talking, no problem. But trolling, stealing farm, NOT TRYING TO WIN? Ah, that deserves a 14 day ban
@@paulojose7568 Depends on if it's ranked or not imo. People do deserve to have some SR mode in which they can mess around
@@AntarcticBlaze Whats sr? If people want to mess around, they can play against AI.
@@NuclearNuke41 Summoner's Rift. And no, the AI is too bad for any sort of fun build or comp to be enjoyable. League is a game, people are allowed to have fun playing it. The place for playing what works/does well is ranked.
Rav is so creative with his ad segments, I look forward to how he approaches each video. Always have a chuckle when I’m called out
yet, we always skip them XD
That bit about us scrolling forward to find the end of the Raid ad had me fucking dying. WP Rav, WP
i loved how you edited the video around the time i was going to skip over the ad... it's like you knew I was going to do it 😀
As a jungler main, the thing that has been crushing my motivation to play this season is that it feels like everyone below plat is turning off their pings. Just like that reddit post you reviewed, the most common advice Im seeing is that people should mute all. I think a lot of people are preemptively turning off chat AND pings.
It sucks pinging to an obvious a free dragon/obj/baron we, and no one comes or just walks away from it. Ive asked several of these peoples in game or post chat about it, and every single one this season has essentially said: yea, i turn that sht off.
As a jungle main, you need a thick skin, because everything is your fault.
@@teraxe This is why I always give up on jungle. I just can’t take that shit anymore. Even when we win I just feel like “finally it’s over”. It can be fun but when you go gank top get the kill meanwhile bot ints and ping you like you have tp or something… I hate playing jungle role even ADC is better in SQ
@@teraxe I had a Morde main lose his champ to the enemy pick which tilted him, then I came to gank mid and killed the Corki and dude lost his shit because I "Killstole" from him and proceeded to flame me for 35 minutes.
Very next game I had a Kog'Maw who decided that as Diana I was trash because I ganked mid and was 1/4/8. So he proceeded to flame me for 44 minutes about how I was a shitty assassin who couldn't burst down targets right. Mind you at that point in the game where I was 1/4/8 I had secured 2 dragons and a herald.
See the thing is in 99% of the scenarios when pings are used its to flame your decision. No one uses pings for the correct reason anymore, why have them on? its just another way for people to flame without having to type anything lol Kayn OTP btw
which they do, because pings are mostly used for flaming as well. The community is just fucked to it's core
The problem with the game is its ranking system. Your rank is based on your play as a team, but League Solo que is not a team game. Flex is a team game and the ranking system works in Flex, but in Solo que you shouldn't be ranked as a team, but as individuals, doing this would make ranked less toxic because regardless of how your team plays and regardless of the outcome, it's on you as the player to rank up and not the other players.
TRUEEEEEEEE
solo q should not be completely dependent on W/L it should be for how you perform individually
I watched the whole ad for you Rav, the whole damn thing... RAID SHADOW LEGENDSSDSDSDSDSS
I gotta thank you man, I almost decided to play ranked today. Thanks for the save
I feel like one problem is that people expect to have any easy win or to just never have any difficulty winning. If they are losing lane and are behind in gold they will just give up, instead of actually trying. What I do personally is think of my lane opponent as a super boss type of thing, I know I will struggle but I try to overcome and think of new strategies of how to improve. I have more fun doing this than giving up straightaway. That is just what works for me personally.
That's because winning from behind takes incredible efforts and is rarely more fun that just stomping so most would rather go next
@@zeul787 So u only want to play if ur stomping the team? Clearly mobas are not for you
@@voidlix1210 Dude, it's not just the enemies that most players worry about, it's whatever shit stain they would have in their team.
So in a sense, it'll be a hassle to constantly worry about two things.
@@voidlix1210 you are wrong, I never ff even if the game is unwinnable just to punish my team for fucking up
What works for me is a good team.
I've had games where I excelled on my own, but gradually got worse and worse as I would have to deal with 4 more enemies, who were fed by my own team.
This is a team game, after all. It is literally impossible to win on your own.
What can Riot do to combat toxicity? Seems like most of their most popular content creators are toxic, that's sort of the popular way to be these days. Lots of kids growing up watching toxicity as normality and yeah.. Riot would have to take a stance against people like Tyler1, as he's sort of the poster boy for popular and toxic, but I don't see that happening.
I just mentioned this in the last survey they sent me. Every other game seems to have one person refuse to play and sit in fountain now. Its infuriating
I feel you Rav, I have pretty much stopped playing the game because of this. It is hard to get better and get out of this piss pit elo when it always happens.
Happens in every elo, I checked out from league. Plat 1 player. Played since s2. Love the game so much. But I just can't play anymore, this is messing with my mental energy & psychological state.
this is literally the exact reason ive cut back on playing any type of teamwork based game, the average low elo player has less intelligence than most animals you find in a zoo, but you cant get out of low elos to where people actually play correctly unless youre able to just staight 1v9 every game due to people just straight up throwing.
1v9 ing is too much effort to just be able to to reach high ranks and have fun with decent players in a video game.
That's why vermintide, DRG and GTFO are better.
yesterday in my promos I went 21/4 and was the only lane to win and got an 0/24 lux. the other laners eventually started doing well when the 40 minute mark (I was playing Annie so my goal was to make it physically impossible for the enemy team to win, giving my own team time), but Lux just keeps dying and then starts running it down into the Master Q when we tell her to stay in base and we inevitably lose. She hasn't been banned yet (:
remember that malphite from dunkey's quiting league video he still plays
@@sasatofe7707 Dont get me wrong. but Dunkey got banned fairly that game.. the other dude should have gotten banned too. but Donkeys last words in legue to that guy where epic. "You should be shot like the degenerate you are" I still remember this shit lol
very relatable , i make mistakes because im low elo and suck at the game but at low elo all you get is one sided games and teams who will flame you for winning or losing.
side note, smurfing is a real problem at low elo atm as well as there are some really broken champs atm , mostly AD assassins and hook champs and pyke is both so he is the worst :/
That correction to the word "Nice Person" had me rolling. Good stuff man. Been around online gaming since the beginning pretty much. Sad to see some things never change. /Mute all
Remember when Riot used to pretend to give a crap about trying to improve player behavior? They even hired psychologists n shit as if any of that would make a difference. They probably wasted millions on attitude adjustment efforts and now we see the fruits of that labor.
"Is it our game causing all this hate and rage?
No, it is the children who are wrong."
You can throw tens, even hundreds of millions at a problem and not solve it. A blank check solves no problem. It is how you use that money and coordinate with your employees to have a cohesive plan on how to tackle an issue.
@@YuYuYuna_ You can also invest millions on a problem that can not be solved with money. You might reduce the problem a bit but you'll never fix it. Humans are so hatefilled (I would say "these days", but they've always been like that I think).
here is the thing the psychologists weren't there to fix toxicity they were there to keep you addicted remember how the game tries to force 50% winrate on your account and ever felt how games nowdays are always almost a stomp you win a lot in a row game is boring quits you lose a lot in a row game is to hard and fails pick proper players with me quits so we better throw some free wins/loses depending on your performance and this is why ranked is a joke
Rav, this is exactly why I quit playing League entirely. Have you ever considered playing fighting games instead? They are actually very similar to League without teammates. You have constant 1v1 battles with special moves and positioning, but no teammates to fuck you (or to blame). I'm super hype for the upcoming Riot fighting game (Project L) but in the meantime I'm having a blast with Guilty Gear Strive. You should at least give it a shot, and I'm happy to coach you through a few basics.
All competitive multiplayer games are bad. Most fighting games are worse or just as bad as league.
@@fishlips503 hard disagree. FGS are 1v1, so there is nobody to blame, no inting people on your team. You can set your own goals, play games with your friends, and your advancement is entirely based on your own time investment and skill.
@@barbedwings instead you start blaming ping, your controller etc... fighting games can be just as toxic as mobas because there'll always be external factors.
@@fishlips503 You clearly haven't played a lot of fighting games. You can literally go into a random lobby, meet random people beating each other up and enjoy the hell out of it (as long as everyone is about the same skill-level).
In fighting games people acknowledge each other and their style of play; you get a "holy crap, that was sick! nice combo!" from your enemy far more often then you would admit yourself and the other way around it's easier to acknowledge your own mistakes and why you may just have lost a match. No one else to blame after all. The toxicity-level is very low in fighting-games. And I've been around in that scene for almost 20 years now.
League takes you 2 weeks to fully understand how degenerate the community is (not just League, however; in fact I don't think that League's community is the worst out there, I've experienced worse. Still.).
Of course, you occasionally get the 12 y/o that's sending you a PM saying you suck or w/e but you get that in every game. But fighting games are the epitome of "bro-clubs" where everyone comes together to hone their skills and just have fun, even when climbing.
I would play them if I could, but got no console or money for it.
This is the main reason i quited on this season, the player mentality swings so much that its so annoying to climb ladder if you are lucky and get decent team mates you can climb but getting this many times in a row is soo frustrating.
omg 1:56 lowkey genius hhahAHH
I tried support because there are a lot of actually fun supports to play and had quite the experiance. first: adcs sometimes actually have no idea what wave control is. I am a top laner so I see it as vital and man oh man anything beyond right click minions right before they die is beyond my adc. second is if I take a single cs they were going to miss due to poor wave management they have a seizure man. they can't take it lmao. lastly if I roam the die, simple as that. no recognition for just giving up some cs and playing safe while I snowball top and mid. serously adc mains must build a shrine to cs. it's important but man it seems they would be more happy to get a cannon than a kill
you are literally the problem lmao, maybe this guy has a different play style (which may not necessarily be better) but at least hes not inting. you are seriously miss understanding the point of the video. in every game there are “bad” players but rav is talking about guys who are actively trying to lose games
@@MrFoodMan66 how am I "the problem". It wasn't directly a response to the video just a thought to share man. I am not saying I get worse teamates or they are horrible people. just trying to laugh off an experiance
@@Mori-man Fair but I would say that having a adc who is only casing is million times better than having someone who actively tries to sabotage your game
@@MrFoodMan66 Didn't say it wasn't man. lmao. Rav suffered way more than me. You really keep acting like I am discrediting Rav's pain and I am not
There's a reason why the currently largest and most popular bug in the game involves typing "/all %i:" to disable Team and all chat for both teams.
I've used it 3 times so far and, no lie, they were the least toxic games in my league career.
Use at your own risk though. It could get you banned or suspended unfortunately... I'm going to stop using it for this reason lol.
like it disables their ability to chat?
Or just /muteall
@@Nazuiko it mutes everyone in the game
You know if riot is smart enough it will be a feature not a bug, having teammates fighting and enemies making fun of you just make them all have to play in silence, sounds like heaven
@@juanazcona5742 I agree 100%. But riot will definitely patch this asap lmao. Which is a shame because this bug actually reduces overall toxicity and forces people to focus on playing instead of typing.
@@AAbattery444 yeah I would have liked them to remove all forms of chat outside of game lobby it doesn't contribute all that much, if you can't say it in pings then you are either bad or it isn't worth it, you can ping baron ping timers and ping help, same with dragons, no one needs an ego inflated autofilled ADC writing their whole life story about how a dragon kill their dad, just push your enemies out of lane crash your wave and ping for assistance on drag 20 times ezpz, chat restrictions do nothing, if ego players will play even worst without being able to flame their team they should be in iron or bronze or banned. I turned off chat and all chat and I have more fun now and get frustrated less, but I can't micromanage my teammates into not wasting their time typing to someone that isn't even listening for taking a kill or resetting when drake is up. I played out a game the other day where I hard carried with 24 kills on jhin, after the game top asked me how I had such good mental when my mid was insulting me and my mother all game and I was like oh I had my chat off so my team and enemy team reported mid for toxicity and went on with our lives.
ROFL, the best video I have ever seen. skipping the ADD was the best ...love you RAV!! :D
Your sencoring of certain word had me rolling😂
Smite is a fun time, not as polished as league but definitely a fun time, I wont tolerate no Smite slander.
Something similar happened to me when I was playing a ranked bronze game and was leashing diana as jhin. My father came into the room and I minimized the game to talk to him only to end up stealing blue buff on accident. I also ended up losing my bot lane match and diana ended up being behind not to mention how the enemy botlane kept mocking me for taking blue and were toxic.
Yet,the jungler never once complained and kept on playing. Eventually we scaled and managed to win this game.
In the post game lobby I trolled the enemy team so hard afterwards. Spamming bot diff and ez. Best game of my life. Especially when I got to suck it to the toxic enemy botlane.
Dude, that was the funniest way to include a sponsor segment. Lmfaooooo
2:00 Such a weird feeling when Rav edited himself skipping the sponsorship part right when i was about to skip lmfao
I call my team cowards and quitters when they all give up just because everything is not going our way. I tell them they'll never get any better if they're afraid to fight with their back against the wall. Does it help? No, these people have no backbone and no pride, but it makes me feel better at least.
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The best moments of league is when that one guy gives a 4 man team a pep talk and they pull a win out their ass against 5 fed players .
i feel like im the only person that enjoys league and doesn't rage or get mad over it. Sure i get ticked a little sometimes but i contain it and and dont let it ruin my experience.
You just wouldn’t get it
i like to tilt people that say stuff like this, ex: get me out, ff 15 ima gonna soft int XD no lol your in that game for an hour
I hate this constant "just don't get mad" response when people have legitimate complaints about their League experience. The problem isn't that shitty things piss people off, it's the shitty things.
@@KingOfOnes
I agree. I never get mad while playing league. It never solved any problems.
U dont touch ranked then this is ranked gameplay if u only plsy norms league is perfect
7:53 even the enemy gangplank thought that this was a fiesta
I totally understand how you feel. I quit the game and have stayed away from it for 4 months. It's hard to play a game where the devs are blissfully and purposefully ignorant to the very thing killing their game. The toxic community rubbed off on me and I started being toxic to the people around me, my friends would start complaining that I was way more toxic and annoying when we played together, so I reformed.
I used to contribute to that toxic side of the game just as bad as the people in this video too, I would call people names (thankfully not slurs), spam ping, constantly judge every single misplay they'd do and trash talk them in the chat for that, and it got me permabanned. But after getting banned, expressing my anger for League for banning me of all people, losing hundreds of dollars of account value, I got back into the game on a new account and reformed.
But even when I wasn't toxic to the people in my games whatsoever and incredibly encouraging, supportive, and helpful towards my teammates, I was still met with people flaming me every single day. I would be flamed, witness people flaming others, inting, AFKing, seeing people call each other slurs, seeing names with slurs in them, I lost all hope in the game and the horrible department of Riot that ran the League of Legends side of things. Regardless of the number of times I've reported these people, they were rarely ever banned. I had to submit MANUAL TICKETS to report these people to see any sort of feedback, and EVEN THEN I didn't know for sure if they were actually punished.
Quitting League has been the best decision I've ever made. The amount of stress I was under was killing me from the inside-out, it was killing my relationships, and overall I was so unhealthy. I spent a lot of the time that I would have been playing League on working out, learning to cook, etc. If you decide to take time away from League, good for you, I fully support you in doing so.
Edit: Just adding something I remembered Riot directly telling me through a support ticket. They rarely give out Instant Feedback Reports for reporting someone and contributing to their punishment. It's pretty uncommon, and if I recall correctly, I don't believe the Riot employee even understood why this was the case. Just another example of Riot Games at its finest.
That happens to me most times lately, and I honestly think it's mostly about "generation changing". I mean as a millennial who started playing 10 years ago I can notice that the majority of new low elo players, which are basically gen Z, tend to be less proactive playing games where theyre behind and are way more selfish, most of em just thinking theyre somekind of anime main character. That leads to them blaming the entire world but themselves and actively crying the entirety of the match even if winnable, just because they/someone misplaied at the 3rd minute. Not saying that everyone is like that, but the percentage is increasing, due to gen Z being still a bit young and have to work on their maturity, while millennials getting older and a bit wiser and calmer than when they started playin.
OK millennial
It goes both ways.
Millennials that don't want to spend that much time in a match and if they don't snowball early the game turn into a hell. Gen Z being the kids who don't know how to take a L because modern games spoiled them to make them think they are good, but they aren't.
I like to use fighting games as a metric. Gen Z isn't into fighting games cuz in these games you have to be mentally strong to don't give up while getting your ass beaten game after game FOR MONTHS in order to learn.
League is already facing this phenomenon, and when project L is finished, it will face the same consequence no matter how much they try to simplify the game.
MOBA and fighting games (i'm not even talking about RTS) are brutally hard to get into, and thats why fps will dominate forever at this point.
@@axellyann5085 Can't agree more
I only get so frustrated when I'm bad at league because I know that if I'm doing bad then one of my teammates is gonna start getting all pissy. Even if I mute all I feel it. Its like a vicious cycle
Just when I am considering reinstalling to play a game, a rav video comes out to save me
1:56 I feel personally offended cause i had my mouse ready to do that and I just get called out like that, well played, you get my like but I'm still skipping it :)
Just stop playing this game. Stop wasting your life. I stopped playing about 2 months ago and I can assure you EVERY ASPECT OF MY LIFE IMPROVED. I have more regular and better quality sleep, I stopped raging and destroying my desk and PC setup, i started going outside more, started enjoying small things in life again... This game literally destroyed my personality and social life and now after 3 horrible years of playing it i can finally say I am FREE ...
and yet you are here, in this comment section, with me, and all the other igloo dwellers who hate/love league and envy that you are free, while still here with us.
I agree, I stopped playing league recently and am a much happier person. "Addicting" is not a positive trait when describing a game, addiction is never a good thing. The game is designed in so many ways to piss you off and Riot clearly only cares about money and not making their game balanced. They know you'll continue you to waste your life queuing onto the same map and do the same things over and over again, so why would they change anything?
@@Ravlol Watching is stress free... Most of the times.
I wish I never started playing again 3 months ago after a 2 year break…. Now I wanna climb to Diamond again, a meaningless virtual achievement instead of actually focusing on life
i absolutely love ur videos, i literally cry laughing every single time i watch one keep up the good work. And this is 100% relatable, pretty much 7/10 games this kinda shit happens =(
It's interesting you mention Neace and I've seen other youtubers mention the troubles hes had in bronze. Because 1 person trying to 1v9 is not enough to win games, it's a team game after all, and when people give up it's so frustrating, the problem isn't people loosing lanes, it's about giving up. Never give up!
Hey Rav,
Usually in my League games I was trying to be a nice guy with a healthy attitude like you and I realized that the community is just toxic, the game design allows it and it's not worth my while.
I did an experiment a few months ago, while I was still playing LoL. I played 5 games in which I inted, I feeded intentionally, I offended everyone and even asking them to report me, just to prove a point and sure thing people promised to report me.
Guess what happened to my account afterwards? Absolutely nothing. I still have it, no warning, no email, no punishment. I was just allowed to be toxic.
This was the reason I quit LoL. There is no other game out there in which you could denigrate someone for 30 straight minutes an still keep your account.
U can legit do it in almost every other multiplayer
Real comment now: The constant mental boom of teammates makes me mental boom a game or a few games later, I'm guilty for AFKing or alt + F4ing when my opponent gets 2 kills like pre 10 and it wasn't me giving said 2 kills.
I'm part of the problem but most of the time I seriously try my best, but the toxicity in League is such a chain reaction, and it is not healthy for anyone.
Ranked is literally unplayable for me because at least in Draft most people can agree 'yeah it's norms, so no big deal'
Look at it this way a person willing to afk instead of tilt hard and int is probably way more useful than someone running it down, you also give your team a mitigated loss, so you do you boo I rather have 3 afk than 1 inter, if played right I know it's more gold and exp for me and I can usually close up the games in under 30 minutes if I just roam and syphon all the gold and exp.
"dirty feet hot" lmao 🤣🤣
"Ashe stop please" is the LAST THING you want to say or do. Saying anything in response to anyone griefing or trolling on the internet will never work. You simply allow her to steal farm until she recognizes that you don't mind it, and completely ignore the Ashe. Sometimes what I like to do is to bait them into a situation with the enemy and then immediately ditch them and let them die. This is a great counter strategy to start getting inside of their head, in which they will eventually highly likely afk. Now you can farm in peace.
This has been called out so many times. This is just another brick in what has to be a 10,000,000 room mansion by this point. Meaning that Riot does not care about its gamers or its customers. Yes they say we aren't customers but legaly they dont get to decide that. If you bought a champion, rune page, boost, skin, event pack or anything else for in game content. THEN YOU ARE A CUSTOMER!
Riot is not going to service its customer. It has been saying this for 10 years now. They dont care about the trolls. They dont care about anyone inability to climb. They only care about what has the most eyes on it in relation to its top streamers and its pro league players. Outside of that Riot as out right said they are not going change the game to address any problems for you, me or anyone else.
The solution. Everyone needs to stop playing the game and let it die. A company will come along and pick it up and make the changes. But cooperate Riot is a toxic demon pit that enjoys making its gamers at large suffer immensely. And with out players, with out skins and the like being sold. They are sunk. So let them sink!
I love the animation where you scroll past the raid ad read
We need a Tinder for LoL teams. I'll start: I'm looking for 4 adults in LAS for daily games at 1am GMT. Requisits: Take the game as a game and open to criticism.
youre too emotionally invested in league. take a step back and play alot of arams or just play with friends. no point trying to climb anymore, it doesnt prove anything.
Agree
You are completely right, as someone who just started playing ranked games for the first time seriously (and im playing since the end of Season 3), this happens so frequently its insane.
Thought about ways to solve the problem throught the vid, and I've came to a conclusion that an "Overwatch" option exactly like the one in CS:GO would perfectly help the community!
Just got back into the game last week and it’s to the point where the only roles I wanna play are support or top. I tried explaining to this one person that I got the game literally a few days ago and he constantly said to report me bc “I’m trolling.” League players can’t fathom a level 14 account playing jungle in blind pick casuals isn’t in fact trolling. Of course calling out once and saying he’s an ass immediately means that “my age is showing.” Honestly people who play jungle and are chill are different breeds. Being flamed for any mistake or anything your team deems a mistake whilst also not being able to carry as easily is a different level of mental pain
Hi Rav I just wanted you to know that I myself have peaked at a solid Silver Plus+ Rating of Gold 4, 0 Lp (Gold 5, 0 Lp in previous seasons) every season since I have begun my ranked journey. Refusing to make a smurf account and continuing on my grind. I've come to terms with playing with chat completely off and often muting pings to avoid any and all confrontation on the rift. This strategy has not helped me climb any higher but has helped me enjoy the game ever so slightly more than my previous seasons of ranked solo que play. I suggest you give it a shot for your own mental. Love you friend.
-Lizard
Rav i love youre videos but what would it take for you to play a non botlane/marksman champion anywhere besides botlane?
Intentionally losing needs to be a 3 strikes and you're out deal. I know level 30 accounts aren't expensive, but something drastic needs done.
watching your vids is cooling the inner rage in me.
i agree i feel the same this is why i stopped playing ranked after beeing a ranked junkie for years
Same boat with you Rav. Jungler of 12 years, hovering around low diamond for past 6 seasons. For some reason, on top of all the downright insulting balancing that the game has had for the past couple of years, I found out I also had waaaay less tolerance for the average neglected toddler. And you are right, they are everywhere. Getting a game where all 10 players are mentally stable and committed to winning, even in high elo, is unironically 1%, and that 1 in 100 games will genuinely lead to some of the fondest memories regarding League, it's why I play after all, to give it my all and get epic moments. What worked best for me all these years was never aknowledging the crybabies. no pings, no replies, nothing. Abusive behaviour is rewarded when you give it attention, that was my approach. These people get off to feeling important because a teammate is begging them to not grief their game. In general, when they saw that we were winning without them they would stop griefing. Not when the game was even, not when we were losing, no matter what anyone wrote. Only when it was obvious that they were not going to have their way would they start playing normally again. You people that try your best to win in a 4v6 scenario, we need more of you in league.
However, there are so many griefers and trolls out there, that's it's simply mentally draining after a few games. Riot's lack of action regarding the matter made me realize I just dont feel like fighting a part of the game (matchmaking) that is meant to help me enjoy the game more. There are numerous videos of high profile streamers manually tracking down wintraders and inters through op.gg, who go unbanned ruining hunders of games for MONTHS, not hours, not days, months! Riot in all their infinite knowledge is only willing to ban you for calling out these people for what they are: needy degenerates. For the game to make sense, for the game to be fun, the teams need to be equal at the very least in numbers. 5v5 is at the core of League's concept. They just cant advertise the game as competitive if they aren't willing to protect and enforce its core values and competitive element.
One of the best examples: someone in my team was building AP darius, saying "they are testing it". Fun fact, Darius has ZERO ap scaling anywhere in his kit. It was pretty obvious from the way they were playing that they had malicious intend (inting, flaming, giving away our position in all chat). So I manually report this account to Riot Support, as in I open a ticket with all the evidence, match replay and an explanation, as well as match history from op.gg. where it's clear as day that they are systematically inting with builds such as only warmog hecarim and full ad morgana. What is Riot's response? "WE ARENT WILLING TO LIMIT PEOPLE FROM EXPIREMENTING WITH THEIR BUILDS". Why the fuck would I keep taking this game seriously when its own company doesnt?
Thank you for well though out post, i enjoyed reading that a lot. That story with customer support is a complete shitshow, jesus. And ye, only way i get to climb ranked is when i use /mute all every game, so they dont even have an opportunity to spew their shit in chat, teammates actions in game is already too much sometimes.
The word FORGIVE is like Kryptonite to some of these cats XD
Yep…. Been feeling like that a lot lately
That cutaway for the ad was so sharp it gave me razor burn.
I can relate, yesterday I both got a 1/19/2 senna (in 21 minutes, still not banned so far) and a daven support soft inting since min 0 for no reason (he did for his last 7 games, still not banned yet)
Not gonna play Raid, but this add with the skipping integrated is the closest I have been to install it. Love you Rav ahahhahahha
At the Time I would relate to this but know I’ve been climbing up the ranks like a horse over the past week. See I had like 435 wins and I was stuck in bronze, then I stopped playing because of my teammates, 4 months later I go back to it and start playing 3 games per night with my friend and I lost 5 out of 20 games and was allways carrying my team. The secret is to have fun and to not even reply to teammates it’s their problem if they’re having mental issues, you focus on game and mute them all I already had teammates throwing and I still won because I was carrying and having fun so it made enemy team mad
iv not play in like 2 weeks because my team is always done after we die the first time no matter how far ahead we are, it been completely unplaible without a friends online recently
Man, this is literally all that I deal with, and I haven't even hit the level to play ranked yet ;.;
If you play arams there's definitely less trolling/afking/inting there. Outside of that my suggestion is to play with friends.