2017 KTM 1290 Super Adventure T Review
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- KTM 1290 Super Adventure T Review - This is my review of the KTM 1290 Super Adventure T, a bike KTM pitches against the likes of the BMW R1200 GS Adventure....but how does it compare?
Many thanks to Jason and the guys at the KTM Centre in Hemel Hempstead for letting me borrow the bike for review.
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I now own this very bike coming from BMW 1200gsa and it is as so much better in every way and as a big plus hasn't gone wrong 7 times in 7months no leaking water pump, clutch that doesn't disengage, failed switch gear, and as you have experienced failed rear damper perhaps I was just lucky!! Great work TMF
I’m a GSA Owner, and I love the look of the KTM. No ugly beak.... which I like a lot. Always hated the bmw beaks. A few faults in this Nice test.... the Ktm has 160 BHP.... and the “r” version is the hard core off-road version, and not the Road version as stated.
Adventure riders moaning about maintaining a chain. Really is it that big a job. You wanna go travelling and exploring the world but can't handle a bit of chain care. Strikes me you ain't gonna be traversing continents if your worried about that.
Can you put the new Tuono on the review to do list please?
Would love to ride one of those puppies Sleepingdragon1 - have always had a bit of a soft spot for those....
Why have the hassle of cleaning and adjusting a chain if you don't have to? It's not about 'can't handle it' just plain common sense.
The GS shaft drive needs to have its fluid changed at every oil change. Isn't that maintenance?
You look left and you look right and what do you see? Another GS and another and another...GS 's everywhere. KTM's not so much. Ride on brother.
Great review! I have one of these that I commute on daily and I love it. I spent a long weekend with a 1200 GS and I much prefer the power and character of the KTM motor. The GS has a comfier seat for long rides and I like that BMW has dedicated buttons for many of the functions (i.e. heated grips) so you don't have to fiddle with the menu while you're riding. Otherwise the KTM is a superior sport tourer for my taste and application.
A couple of points I forgot - I was able to purchase my 1290SA for several thousand $ less than a GSA, but I imagine BMWs hold their value a bit better. Also, the stock headlights are pretty bad compared to the BMW's HIDs. I upgraded with a Cyclops LED kit and now I'm more than happy with the lighting.
I don't think you can go far wrong with either - I must admit I do like the convenience of the shaft drive on my GS...but as I said in the video, the bike feels very much like a GS when you're riding it (from a seating position point of view). Thanks for watching and for stopping by - TMF
Nicely done review, as usual... I could well be in the market for something like this at some point, but I reckon my old 950 Adventure still has a few kms left in her yet. I test rode both the big KTM and BMW GS here in Switzerland back in 2005 and the KTM won hands down for the engine, handling, braking, basically everything except overall looks. I really wanted to like the GS, but it was heavy, awkward and dull to ride in comparison, despite looking like a million francs. So I bought the KTM and never regretted it one moment. I have a 748R for when I want to ride an impractical and beautiful motorbike :-)
Still not convinced about ABS and the plethora of electronics; 'modes' should be in the rider's brain, eyes and wrist not in yet more ECUs and relays which then give up the ghost on a gravel road one Sunday evening in the wilds of Corsica. So for I'll stick with my basic non-FI, non-ABS, passively-suspended old steed for a little while yet. But I know that even an old Luddite like me will have to get with the programme one day, even if it's only when 950 LC8 spares become extinct!
Fair enough Herrcastor - thanks for watching and for stopping by - all the best - TMF
How much km in the 950 Adventure? Some guy had well over 200 000 and when disassembled the engine it was still rather good. Had done plenty of riding in bad conditions. I think the engine will last well if properly serviced?
I have a mere 55k kms on the bike in 11 years, and it still runs fine, e.g. hardly any valve adjustment necessary even at 50k. Still only on my second chain, as I ride in a fairly mechanically sympathetic manner and keep it well oiled every 1000km or so. The whole "I must have shaft drive in my adventure bike" is a sales myth peddled by BMW dealers. More GS owning friends have had final drive problems (and indeed catastrophic failures) than chain issues suffered by fellow KTM owners ;-)
You seem to have a valid point there... Plus it easier to change the total gear ratio if need should be...
I bought one! 23,000 miles in 18 months. Great bike! The gas tank holds 8 gallons, that comes in handy for long hauls. Doing an iron butt ride on this bike is easy! The power is addicting! So yes this is a great machine. Sadly on a recent Cross country trek my dashboard died. It's at the dealer being repaired. It will cost me $1,100.00 dollars so that sucks to say the least. Other than that I think this is an awesome machine!
Oh dear :0(
@@TheMissendenFlyer in light of the failure of the electronics I was actually considering getting a 2018 SA S part of me feels like I can't trust this bike. At the same time I think I may be overreacting to the problem. I think the bikes are basically the same. Only difference is the tires and rims, dash and gas tank size. Any thoughts about this situation you would like to share?
This is a great ADV bike . KTM is really giving BMW a run for their money . The cornering lights are awesome at night.
I would have to paint it ,I just don't like the mostly white plastic. I wish they would have went more with the Super Duke colors.
Agreed, the looks are a bit "meh".....
Hi TMF, great video and great review of a bike that I've long admired and would love to ride; it seems to have everything except one thing and I'll come to that in a bit. I first read about this bike a couple of years ago and then got to see it in the flesh at Motorcycle Live 2015. I was researching all Adventure bikes at the time (although my heart was already set on a GS/GSA) and came across the KTM stand. I waited my turn and finally got my turn to sit on it; it was amazingly comfortable, feet and hands found the ideal position and the size of the bike suited my 6' 2" frame. Like you I was thinking, 'should I get one of these instead of a BMW?' I got off the bike and walked around it, admiring its lines; then, to my horror I spotted its flaw - it's chain driven!! I don't want to go touring and have to mess about maintaining the drive system. I met Simon Weir from Ride magazine last year and he had one on a long-term test; I mentioned the chain drive and said I was surprised that KTM hadn't used a shaft drive system. His was reply was he felt KTM don't sell enough of the bikes to warrant the cost of research and development- interesting! What you have reported in your video is everything I've ever read; comfort, handling and the power from that phenomenal engine. It's not just the shaft drive that makes me prefer my GSA; like you I do prefer the looks of the BMW and it does everything I want it to. I rode 280 miles on it last Saturday on all types of roads and got off it at the end of the day with a massive grin on my face. On another note, I am coming down to your part of the country (RAF Halton specifically) towards the end of March, so if you're about and fancy a cuppa, some cake cake and a good chat, it would be great to meet you. However, perfectly understand if you don't do that sort of thing. Cheers, Andy
Andrew Tofts I like cake cake.
I only use Sport mode on mine because I like the "quick action" Throttle calibration. The other settings not only affect power output, they require greater rotation. I've only once used rain when I was riding on icy roads in Germany and it was -7 out east near Poland. Great bike, but I find almost all modern bikes have horrible sounding engines...like bloody sewing machines, nice exhaust notes, but cams whistle
Yes maybe it's time to move to the dark side and go with a 4 cylinder machine!
Finally I bought this motorcycle one month ago. It is an amazing machine with a great engine performance. For those who are looking at this motorcycle I can tell you that after a 1500km trip in 2 days the only problem that I found is the seat. I change it for a KTM ergo seat and works fantastic. This is an impressive motorcycle and the electronics made a great job while you are driving fast. Very secure, very fast, I am very very happy.
Nice one Mariano - glad you're enjoying the bike...lovely machine!
Love it. The only thing I dislike is the shape and size of the exhaust. It looks out of place on this bike. Great review! Best to you my friend!
Thanks as ever (and I agree about the exhaust!)...
Many thanks for another great vid ... have recently purchased a new one of these to replace my BMW K1300GT (on which I covered about 110,000 miles). I fully expected to replace it with a GSA, which is probably the sensible choice, but I just love this too much. Apart from that, I was a bit disappointed that BMW dealers seem to get everything in 'TE' spec. Sorry, 19k for a GS ?..no thanks. I would advise folks to at least try one of these and take advantage of the fact that this is the last year for this model...so KTM likely to offer you a really good deal !. Good luck TMF...keep those vids coming in !
Thanks Robert - and agreed, the Big KTM is a lovely beast and a little bit rarer (as well as cheaper) than the ubiquitous GS! Enjoy your new bike!
Yet another great review. I used to think those presenters on wish you were here had a great job sunning themselves all over the world but then came along TMF testing all those new lovely bikes! Richard Hammond would be jealous too I'd say?
...somehow I doubt it!! But thanks for the kind words...
222kg is a selling point right there, for a bike of that size! Looking at the big bikes, if you're worried about which to pick and you can't decide based on features, it comes down to price point, and availability of dealer/parts/maintenance support. Where I live, some brands don't really have a shop around.
Yes good point....
18kg less than the GSA, it's worth something at least. The Super Adventure weighs about the same as the non-adventure GS. For me at least, the weight difference between the GS and GSA is a factor, so it would be between the GSA and Super Adventure.
KTM has a chain. Plus or minus depending what you want it for. For $20k, I'd want a shaft. Ditto lack of hydraulic clutch. The heads are more difficult to get to to service and dealerships that know how to do such things are few and far between, though oddly I have a KTM dealer nearby, but no BMW.
One thing I noticed besides needing a ladder to board it was that part of the heating element in the rear seat was very prominent above the padding. Feels as though it would be very irritating to sit on.
I'm sure it's a fine bike, but I wouldn't be too depressed about owning a GS either. Thanks for sharing.
Cheers saddlebag - appreciate you watching and stopping by - TMF
Like others on here, I think this is a 2016 model. I own a 2015 model and it is identical to the bike you are testing. Old style gauges, cruise control on throttle side. If you bought this as a 2017, I would suggest you got "taken" . I am waiting for the 2017 "T" to be released to trade up. If this is a 2017 then I am off to BMW for a 2017. My 2015 trade value should be worth a lot more as it is identical to this so-called 2017. Enjoyed the review!
+Bob Butar Thanks for watching Bob, according to the dealer, this is the 2017 model, it still comes with the "old style" lights and instrumentation......unlike the S and R, all the best - TMF
As was explained to me when i test rode one recently - the gear change has two positions - one for normal and for use with dirt bike boots which is higher - sounds like you had it on that setting rather than the "road boot" setting
Yes quite possible, I'm sure it was just an adjustment issue - no real problem...
TMF, it's unfortunate the KTMs aren't better looking. Their styling works on the smaller bikes but missed on the bigger ones. I do wish BMW could match the KTMS kind of power though. Thank you for the review.
You're welcome!
I subscribed to your channel a while back and have enjoyed your bike/product reviews.....went out and bought a 2017 1290 Super Adventure T earlier today. Will be picking it up next week.....look forward to more of your videos.
Congratulations - enjoy the bike!
always think of the 'long way round' the show that in my opinion made the GS and in a way didn't give KTM the exposure I feel they should have had.. most of the comments here look like die hard BMW riders.. personally I would love a KTM.. thanks for a non gimmicky review, easy to understand your voice and no crazy over the top riding etc. just right thanks
Thank you G dizzle, and I guess KTM have regretted that decision (not to back Charley and Ewan) ever since!
They did not make a mistake back then the ktm would not of made it and would of been a disaster.
Great review and amazing bike! One thing I am wary about with KTM's is their spotty reliability, I really hope that KTM has made improvements in that area because they are making really tempting bikes recently.
Yeah I've had a few similar comments....I hope so too 'cos as you say, some great machines....
well between your review ; knowing how much you love your GS ; and the crazy vids Portuguese bloke LuisFilipe posted up , I had to try a 1290 SA for myself. I bought one! It's all I need and much more
+Max Brettargh Congratulations Max, told you they were good!
I still think the drive shaft on a big touring bike like the BM is superior and much more simple to take a rear wheel off the BM.Never forget that on a big trip.Thks again.
Cheers Bruce...
Well you're certainly keeping busy! Yet another great bike, in fact you'd be hard pressed to find any really critical bike reviews these days, the bikes are so good. Well done. Keep it up. Soon be summer 👍
Yeah, I'm starting to want to find a rubbish bike, there aren't any!!!
Just cannot get on with the looks of the thing. The GS is a beautiful machine. Rode my friend's Africa Twin today. Highly suggest that. Cheers thanks for another great video!
Hey great to hear from you again Jake....thanks for stopping by...TMF
Great review as always. One other advantage of the boxer you don't want to think about but it protects your feet if you have to lay it down as I did recently when a woman did a crazy Ivan right in front of me. Those crash bars took the punishment with hardly a scratch. And I walked away from 40 mph lay down. Helmet totaled. ATGATT
Yep - good point!
Gregory Beckner Yes good point: last month I broke my foot when the V-strom I was riding dropped on it. Three fractures, a few pins in my foot and 6+ weeks without motorcycling :(
ElysianAngel You'll be out a bit longer. I had a similar injury - took a while to get back to full health. Physiotherapy helps.
Also think working on boxer might be easier in the middle of nowhere.
But not the shaft drive perhaps? Also easier for your engine heads to get damaged on the boxer (and other things on the KTM) so it's a bit of a toss-up.
The crash bars apparently work well so your leegs would be just as safe given those and the wide tank.
Thanks for the video, nice sunny ride! Yes, KTM is kind of bit rough on finish - and if you ride within the speed limits and traffic, not something utterly from other world compared to ones like Your BMW, maybe. Just compare the torque curves (again, sorry...) under 4500 revs... If I were in the search of a travel machine, the 1290 Adventure would be the first one for sure (those orange glasses...), because of the engine that has that special sharp edge - it somehow encourages you to wind up the throttle sometimes... If not always. Answer is so instantaneous! On the other hand you have to be careful with it all time (and when riding nice and slow, people begin to challenge you to race). Well then it's educating...
Yes I agree, I've yet to ride a KTM (I've ridden 4 different models to date) that hasn't shouted RIDE ME FAST! at me :0)
good review,noticing a lot of comments about the chain drive,in my opinion I'd rather have a chain break while touring than a shaft,also really it only takes a couple of minutes to clean and lubricant a chain.
Fair point!
blackogg Good point indeed. Adventure riders moaning about chains and their maintenance. I wonder how far they've ventured! lol
I really enjoy your reviews. And the commentary and the camera resolution are fantastic. If you haven't yet, but can you please do a review on the Aprilia Caponord Rally or Travel Pack. I really would like hear what the difference is between the KTM and the Aprilia. Thank you.
+Marco Gman Thank you Marco, sadly I don't have any way of getting access to Aprilia bikes to review...I will keep trying though...TMF
I'm beginning to see your plan now...Ride and demo everything and keep the mileage low on your own bikes ;) good plan hehe
Rumbled me!
Flyer, I, too, tried the KTM before buying the GSA. I found the throttle response to be a bit snatchy. In any event, the dealer had an office worker hand me a 'take it or leave it' offer. I chose the latter.
I love the GSA although the large fuel tank is overkill for my aging bladder. ;)
Yes on balance I think I'd go for the GSA too - I just love that Nav integration and the whizz wheel (as well as its looks compared with the KTM)....but the KTM does go and handle very sweetly....lots of great bikes out there these days! Thanks for watching - TMF
Top review. I agree the Beemer looks better but you'd have to consider this if you were in the market.
For sure - a lovely bike to ride and a difficult decision to choose between them....
You are certainly getting out and about , on a variety of bikes recently.
When looking to buy I got it down to the KTM1190 R and the GS, and if the KTM had shaft drive, I probably would of gone for a KTM instead of the GS.
Fair enough.....thanks for watching
Hi,Mr.Flyer! I'm 6'4" tall about 275 lbs. What I want to know is since I have a "large" frame, do you think the 1290 super adventure will "fit" my frame?
Yeah I reckon you'll be fine, the 1290 is physically a large and imposing machine...
They gotta do something about that high mount "water heater" (muffler) . . . that thing it's competing in size and volume with the one on the Yamaha RoadStar Warrior.
That thing eats at least half of your right pannier luggage capacity. Otherwise, lovely beast.
Yes an issue not just with KTMs of course thanks to Euro4!
Great review as always TMF and it's sparked a real shaft v chain debate however a larger issue is KTM (keeps taking money) lack of extending the warranty period in the UK when this bike was launched, why?. Are we Brits so bad at looking after bikes?
As you gather I am a GS rider having owned Tigers, Multi's, and indeed set off to consider a KTM but sorry, I and many of my colleagues will not hand over 14k to a prejudice company with a track record of chocolate reliability in the past.
Perhaps that's why there are so many GS on the road, not shaft or chain but you can extend your warranty year after year clearly showing why it's been a belting "old tractor" and some covering 100k miles plus.
Somebody may correct me now on the warranty but that's what happened when we went for a test ride,,,,,,,,,,,,but bloody hell, what a bike,,,,,,,,,come on KTM get your shit together in the UK!!
I don't know anything about the warranty's on the big KTM's - I do know they are incredible bikes....
Hi TMF it wasn't meant to be a question for you to answer sir just a generic moan in the public domain, Ducati are the same which is why I dumped the multi, 2 years and no extension shows a lack of comfidence IMHO and these electronics will cost a mint to repair in time, just like our over complicated cars of today, anyway, moan over, just to say you do such a brilliant balanced review on all bikes and it's a credit to you for the effort you put into them, thank you!
Thank You TMF BMW are getting some strong and Good competition another very Good Review Take Care
Thank you Wayne....
Yeah, only difference is BMW has proven it can make motors that can last whereas KTM is in a bad place. With that said, the 1290 has proven to be very good. Time will tell but probably neither will do well when compared to the Japanese abilities to understand and improve everything other people do. Sorry, :)
☣droid☣ : nah, bmw only has the name of being reliable. Those days are long gone regretfully....I have owned many bmw's....but never again...:(
MUCH better bike than the GS... Until you say the magic words: Shaft-drive and Vario-panniers.
Another well-presented review, thank you for posting.
BTW: Wonder why nobody includes panniers in their reviews of touring bikes...
...for some reason the dealers don't fit them on the demo bikes - no doubt a cost issue....but completely agree with you, that is rather a key part of the whole touring bike equation!
I was wondering about the panniers while watching too. Perhaps you could have shown them at the dealer? I'm always amazed at how much stuff I manage to stow in my GS vario-panniers, even with the smaller right side. Apart from that I prefer the GS looks, the shaft drive, and the protection the cylinders give your legs (I have laid my 1150GS on its side while having to brake hard on a dirty road surface while going 80km/h, and only had a bruise from my pocket knife in my jeans pocket (under an all-weather outfit, I always ride protected)).
G'Day Mate! "IMO"... The short answer is quality: BMW out-source too many components on price, the new Jap-style switches are shite, the paint falls off... I've actually had a 2006 GS from new but wouldn't swap it for a waterhead. Straight-through Remus system and a K&N and it stays with the sportsbike boys through the twisties. I've had a day out on the new GS but "IMO" it just doesn't have the character of the rattly old oilhead... And you can actually read the numbers on the dials on the latter!
Had a great ride out with the Ulysses Club on the Gold Coast where our son lives a few years back but couldn't live there... Too hot and the beer tastes like horse piss! HA!
Hey Paul! Yeah, those vario-panniers are ideal for work, shopping, touring... Such a flexible option. Good to know that they are narrower than the bar-ends when closed but can still take a full-face when extended.
Good job it wasn't an electric drill in your jeans pocket, Mate! HA!
I had this bike for a test too. Lovely bike, but comparing to the LC GS and LC GSA (that I currently own), the BMW's are more comfortable (GSA Windprotection) and are slightly better build with the integrated navigation etc. For me, the reason to buy the KTM would solely be the engine. But then the BMW has shaftdrive and that is a plus for me. The mounting system for the cases, on KTM is invisible (like the GS) instead of the rack system of the GSA. If I wanted this power (who doesn't really?) + chaindrive, I probably go for a Multistrada or S1000xr.
Yep I'd agree with all that (except the S1000XR - too fugly to my delicate eyes!)
AussieRider Me too, especially red or the blue one with the touring headlight. Not as nice looking as a GSA but def better than the KTM. But then motorcycles...some like brunettes, some like blondes.
Absolutely great channel mate
Thank you sir!
TMF, after all these test rides does its make you want to get a new bike all the time?
Err, yep!
Thanks for another great review, as you say generally bikes are really good these days, (as well they should be for the price), it's down to personal choice and I still prefer the GS. I love the V twin layout and even though I would never use it, a little more power would be nice but...I just do not like the looks. Do you know how well a SatNav would integrate into the KTM? That's another thing BMW have done well on the GS.
Yeah, not as well as it does on the Beemer would be my guess!
TMF another great review...... I have to confess to selling my LC GSA recently as I'm 95% certain I;'m going to buy the KTM 1090 adventure R...Its not out here in OZ just yet but the basic just is that it's about 35 kilo's lighter than the 1190 adventure r coming in around 195 ( yet to confirmed as local KTM store doesn't even know when thiner getting some ) but with all the fruit, if you can get your hands on one over there and do a review that would be tremendous :-). I always feel the Beema will be more refined but for more outback extreme off road I'd be up for one... thanks again for the informative neutral review
...as it happens I rode a brand new 1090 yesterday...stay tuned for the review in due course!
Sitting on one leaves me on my toes, which is fine. But swinging my leg over is just as gnarly as it is on the f800gsa - painful unless I can mount on the kickstand. But I am excited to test one!
Yes a big ol' beast for sure, but surprisingly unintimidating once you're on board....as are all the KTM''s I've ridden so far...
TheMissendenFlyer yeah - seems most of the big adventure bikes act like that
...the Triumph Explorer isn't! ...or the old Multistrada (dunno what the new ones are like but the 2013 I rode a few years back seemed very top heavy)....
TheMissendenFlyer from all the reviews I have seen these issues seem to have been resolved with the Multi 1200 enduro, not sure about the Triumph
R = Offroad version (not street).
S = Street version (not offroad).
T = Touring version.
Great vid, like all you produce. Thanks.
That's my understanding....and thanks...
TheMissendenFlyer I believe I heard you say R is street and S is off road. If I'm wrong I'm sorry. :-)
Thank you for another great review TMF. I also have a 2014 BMW R1200GS (and a Honda CRF250L) in Nepal. However, as there is no BMW dealer in my country, I'm now thinking of getting rid of it for a Honda Africa Twin CRF1000 with DCT. Would you please try to do a review of the Africa Twin? Would love to hear your views on the bike.
Yes I'd love too, unfortunately no Honda dealers locally....but I'm working on it...
Brilliant brilliant review TMF. I thought you'd enjoy a KTM. They do it all these big beasts and they sound fantastic - The video doesn't do the bike justice. It sounded to me at the end of your review that you were talking yourself into a bit of man maths there and we may see a 1290 in your garage soon where there was a GS..
Also, I would like to know.. Who disliked this video?! haha
Actually I preferred the Superduke GT over the Super Adventure, and today I rode the Super Duke S....another dimension!
Great review. I think you got a bit mixed up with 'R' and 'S'. I prefer the look to the GS, so I bought one. 3,000 in and still big smiles. Also I adjusted my gear shift down 2 splines, now perfect. Thanks for sharing you film setup. What helmet do you use?
On the BMW I wear an Arai Tour X4 - if you do a search you'll find my review of it...
This bike sounds sweet. Maybe you could add a new feature to your bike reviews; when you take off after the walk-around keep off the documentation so we can hear the engine through the gears. Would be nice.
Good idea Stephen - will try and remember to do that in future - cheers...TMF
TheMissendenFlyer, cheers mate. I'm sure you would. Give me a mention then, my kids would be pleased :)
Oops too late - I tend to run with a number of videos "in the can" for later upload, I've already rendered some with this new feature and didn't mention you....will try and wangle it into a future review...stick with me!! :0)
Damn, I was waiting for that one since the Duke GT review! Added to watch later!
...you have a treat in store for you then sir ;0) !!
Nice review!
Sadly u didn't get your hands on the new S model, the T is just the old version with the new engine in it. The other one got a new dash, new lights, better controls (cruise control on the left side etc.) aso. Maybe we'll see u on that one as well soon. But i think some of your notes are wrong. Isn't it 160 BHP and 140 Nm of torque?
Very nice bike i have to admit, a bit pricy but dont get that "GS" image to it, so might be even interesting for me.
Yes agreed - but I take what I can get! ..and you may be right on the figures, I pulled them from the website somewhere but may have got them wrong...whatever they are, they're big numbers!! :0)
They definitely are. Nearly the same as the S1000R and that's a whole different bike.
+AussieRider what kind of 1290 the adventure? Hmm sounds a bit like apple and pear (think u now the phrase). I mean I drove the R lovely bike, maybe my next ( in ten years.. ;D) but I wouldn't expect that performance on an adventure bike. For example fuel consumption, shes burning it like a tank and on an touring bike that would be a real problem. So there have to be downsizes and u have two different types of engines.
Loved the look of the new KTMs at Motorcycle Live (Might be in the minority there...) Good to hear they actually ride well too. Great review
Yes I think you probably are - although personally I think the new Super Duke R looks great (been riding one today...awesome machine)...
Haha my taste has always been a little...off the wall. Can't wait to see the review!
Great reviews but I have to pick up on a couple of points. The cruise control is impossible to reach with your right hand. That's why they've changed it to the left hand side on the new models, and the nice guys at KTM seem to have lent you the only one I know of with a working fuel gauge. KTM's optional GPS mounts are all useless too.
Well I'm not sure you've "picked me up on a couple of points" as I am always saying cruise control should be on the left grip not the right, all the KTM's I've ridden have had working fuel gauges as far as I can see and I never covered the GPS mount. Thanks for watching anyway - all the best - TMF
Wasn't meant as a criticism of your review. Love em. Just some extra info from an owner for anyone thinking of buying :-)
No worries, thanks for that...
la moto va perfecta, perfecte, perfecta, y si quieres mejorar ese aspecto le pones un amortiguador de direccion mas duro y detalle resuelto, es la mejor moto que hay en el mercado , su diseño y colores es y sera atemporal.
Very impressive review; for you to rate it better in most instances other than aesthetics than your BMW... wow. impressive indeed.
Yes, but aesthetics is a big one regarding how you feel about a machine isn't it...
Undeniably so!
Great review. I think you got a bit mixed up with 'R' and 'S'. I prefer the look to the GS, so I bought one. 3,000 in and still big smiles. Thanks for sharing you film setup. What helmet do you use?
On the BMW I wear an Arai Tour X4 - if you do a search you'll find my review of it...
A nice overview. Thanks!
I just ordered a 2017 R1200GS (will arrive in 2 weeks); however, I gave serious consideration to the KTM. There are many things I love about the KTM; however, the three tipping points for me to the BMW were the shaft drive, the Navigator VI (yes, coming out in a couple of weeks - I’m on the waiting list) and the Vario panniers.
I had a V-Strom which I did many long trips on in the past 2 years - 3 of them over 5,000 km each. I didn’t like cleaning and maintaining my chain in the hotel parking lots while on the road. I’m looking forward to the shaft drive for long trips. The GPS for the BMW, while only a fair GPS, does integrate into the bike so well. Really like that. I also like having a “clean” bike when I take the the panniers off - and they come on and off so easy. Also, while the KTM engine is amazing and an improvement over the GS, the power of the BMW is more than I will ever need.
That said, I’m so happy that KTM has built this bike and is continuing to improve it. While I did get the BMW this time, it was a hard decision (and the cost difference made it even harder).
Keep up the awesome work on your channel!
Thank you sedawk, so many good bikes to choose from eh! Enjoy your new beemer, you won't be disappointed....brilliant machine - all the best - TMF
Great review as usual....
It would be fantastic if you could get your hands on a Tenere. I would be curious on your thoughts on how you think it compares to the European adventure bikes.
I'd love too - I'm trying to get friendly with a Honda dealer so I can ride and review some Honda's...so stay tuned you never know!
It's a great bike this one. A direct competitor to the GSA and why not, the GS as well. Anyone on the market for one of these big adventures will definitely have a very hard time choosing. Between the KTM and the BMW, the KTM has hands down a better engine. A nuclear plant under your legs. Fantastic motor. I've read great things about its electronics and the KTM panniers as well. And as for the looks, I personally like them a lot, equally to the GS, but more than the GSA (a bit too "fat" and "muscular" for my taste)
From what I've read though, the GS and GSA easily have the upper hand offroad (if adventure to you means going offroad as well) and apart from the instrument cluster, the BMW is a more polished bike with more refined details than the KTM. It is a tough choice however and the price difference makes it even harder. One thing is for certain though. Whichever you get, you're gonna enjoy it a lot
Agreed on all counts!
238 Kilograms in the wet? That must have been really heavy rain. Only kidding. Great review as usual.
Thank you Ibby :0)
Great honest review but did u like it better than TRIUMPH EXPLORER i know all these adventure bikes are all good
Oh yes, no competition, this is a far superior bike to the big Triumph....in fact the Triumph Tiger Sport is a far superior bike to the Big Triumph in my opinion!
This is just an ugly bike I tried one of these out before I got my '16 GSA. I just couldnt get over how ugly this thing is and the fact that it has a chain. Why get the imitator when you can have the real thing? The engine has lots of power (the GS is no slouch with the torque it has) but when I want to go fast I can get on my S1000XR. Then to top it off, the 2 dealers closest to me are just jerks. In the end, I think I made the right choice with the GSA. I love it!
Anyway, as always a top notch video! Take care of yourself and keep up the good work!
Thanks JDMan - I had to have a little giggle with you calling this ugly (and I agree) and then revealing you have an S1000XR!!! Just shows that we're all different in taste and looks is a very much subjective thing....ignoring the looks we have some brilliant bikes to choose from don't we - all those you and I have mentioned are darn fine machines.....spoilt for choice! Thanks for watching - TMF
The chain was a real sticking point for me - great for power delivery, but not great for really long touring. Especially when you do some off roading during your tour - have to carry all the chain maintenance equipment with you. However, the heated seat is a great option. I have some 4 am starts on long driving days - and its near freezing for a few hours in the morning during the spring and fall months. That heated seat seems really good to me! You can have heated gear, but it takes up space.
Yes looks are subjective. I actually like the XR. I should clarify. I would like to see KTM offer different colors. If the 1290 came in a red or blue it may have been a different story. I just cant stand that matte white.
As always great review and video, Alas the looks are not for me, also a"touring bike with a chain and no centre stand" .
Thanks Peter - and agreed!
I spoke to KTM US yesterday inquiring as to why there is no reference to the "1290 Super Adventure T" and why it is not on the www.ktm.com website, under Motorcycles then "Travel".. The two different KTM staff I spoke with, were very elusive, but ultimately said the "1290 T" is done (i.e., no longer in production), in lieu of the 2018 Super Adventure 1290 S. Has anyone heard the same? The differences between T & S appears to be a different (ipad mini like) instrument cluster, a smaller gas tank, no more spoke wheels, but rather mag wheels, more orange in color, and everything else looks similar.
Mmm, interesting....
Another great review maybe it would feel different with in full luggage spec. So that's two of the three.....1290 Super Duke R next ?
Funny you should say that - I was riding one today....awesome machine - should post up the video on or around Friday 3rd of March (yes, I actually have an upload schedule!)....
TheMissendenFlyer they're great machine to ride look forward to the review and your thoughts
Seems very good. Is there a pre-installed grip for the GPS unit? As in the 1200 GS?
Great review Mr Flyer. I too am a GSA man (had couple and do 20K miles/ year), and I just wonder what your view is on forks compared to telelever?
Give me the telelever anytime, I love the lack of dive (not that I noticed much on the KTM to be fair).....
I tried sitting on this bike at the bike show. I needed a ladder to get on it. I have a Ducati Monster S now and love it but I am on one foot at a stop. 32 inch seat vs I think 34.
Yes it's a shame bike manufacturers make these so tall, good to see more starting to bring lowered options out, they must lose a lot of customers that way....
Hello TMF, What about the Multistrada 1200S (or 950), its got the looks, (well in my opinion and that red frame is gorgeous), all the same rider aides, a great cockpit, alloy or spoke wheels, and its a Ducati - what's not to like? (perhaps being a Ducati).
...I've not ridden one since around 2013 - then it was a bit top heavy for my liking, did you see my review from back then? >> czcams.com/video/HSvl1B7aK-o/video.html&list=PL_719tkJvufay_QbLW4ssfL-5qBDJTjml but I agree, a gorgeous looking machine....
Is this the new 2017 model ? The new S and R models have new headlight, instrument panel much improved etc. I would have though the T would have had the same upgrades ?
+vtv8man Yes it is the 2017 T model and no it doesn't have the new lights or instrument panel! Strange isn't it!
Hmmm... maybe the old parts bin needed running down. A shame as the new iPad like tft instrument panel looks to be good. Nice bike anyway and love your reviews. Thank you !
That's weird that they say this is the new model. I am pretty sure it should come with the TFT display and the new headlights. That's quite weird given that the T version is the most expensive in the '17 1290 class.
Hi The MissendenFlyer, this is not the 2017 T model. It's the 2016 Super Adventure (with no T) bike. I have exactly the same machine. I also had a test ride with an actual 2017 T bike. They are almost identical though - only a few minor details in the exterior design that can tell you which one is which year.
173 horses. Wow. Looks like a lovely ride.
Great review, as always. Any impressions on the Multistrada?
I've not ridden one since the 2013 model - see >> czcams.com/video/HSvl1B7aK-o/video.html But would love a crack on a new one sometime!
top review Mr flyer back in hemel hempstead☺ not a massive fan of the looks of the big ktm
No it's a shame isn't it - 'cos everything else about the KTMs (except maybe the price) are top notch!
Very good review. Can you test the Multistrada 1200 Enduro?
Thanks Milan - I would love too! ..just need someone to let me borrow one ;0)
It's a great bike for sure, but for some reason I don't want one. Not sure why.
Great review again.....mmmmmmmm....very tempting! Regards, Jon.
So. What's better? This in the T spec or the newer super adventure S. I saw this model bike and wow!! It's huge and it seems to be only missing a quick shifter and a colour tft screen. Wonder if this spec would be a better buy? Cheers Ross
Probably is a better value for money buy for sure....
My GS is under no threat from any KTM cheers for the review
Fair enough :0)
as you can see from my profile picture I have a explorer xrt. try to ride one of them I would like to hear your opinion on it like you I'm not the tallest in the world as usual great review cheers keep them coming👍👍👍
I have ridden one - see >> czcams.com/video/IX4uNj-ub8g/video.html and >> czcams.com/video/i0a6uQ1cSzA/video.html
Were the KTM loses out over the BMW is the lack of shaft drive, my old BMW F700GS required 100 newtons to the rear axle nut, to adjust the chain, if you are out on a long tour. do you carry a torque wrench or hope to find a local dealer? nice bike though not sure on headlight looks a bit like a balloon.
Agreed on all points! Nice to hear from you again Vince....
Excellent review well worth the wait Thank you
Thank you Bernie, very kind of you - 2 more KTM reviews in the pipeline! (Super Duke R and 1090 Adventure are "in the can") - all the best - TMF
Hi mate I ride a new GS. I did try a KTM 1190 in the summertime and felt like I was riding on a sauna especially in traffic how did you find the engine heat from this one. I'm also pretty sure I would have been relieved of my license on a KTM. Very quick in the handling department and from the right wrist. Very exciting bike but don't like the chain or the looks.
I had no issue with heat (but then I ride a Panigale).....
Hi TMF, hope you don't mind me talking a little 'off piste' - just an observation re video quality. I recently bought a Gopro Hero 4, which I believe is what you now use, to replace my Hero 3. I haven't uploaded any public videos with it as yet, but on a few test video uploads, i'm getting big dollops of pixilation every few seconds (trees in particular are affected), and you seem to be experiencing the same? I have it set to 1080P 50fps, and both the 'raw' footage and edited footage are brilliant. I didn't get it with the Hero 3, and I can't remember seeing this on any of your older uploads (also frustrating that you can only get about half as much recording time on a given SD card/resolution than I could from the Hero 3 - GoPro helpdesk advise that much more data is saved to the card, taking up more space!). Have you noticed any recording quality difference between the two Hero's? Sorry for waffling on, and great review by the way! Regards, Paul.
I use 60fps by the way - I believe it's an issue with the way You Tube processes the footage, not a GoPro issue. I've not yet worked out the answer, I'm sure it's just down to upload settings needing to be optimal (and clearly mine aren't!)....
i was waiting for this review 😉
finally here it is 👍
great job nice video
the ktm seems to be a great bike but i prefer the look of the GS and the chaft drive...
cheers Tom
Yeah a few people have said that - the KTM's are definitely worth a look though as they ride beautifully, shame the designs can be a bit quirky 'cos I'm convinced the engines, weight, electronics, quality is all there in spades....
Nice review. Well-done!
Thank you Marcus - very kind of you to say so!
I hope you get a chance to test the KTM Super Duke GT.
Did it today - video scheduled for upload for Friday after next :0) ....awesome machine....
Sorry just reread that - I have ridden the GT see here >> czcams.com/video/LAfi08WEn8M/video.html
Lovely machine. well done review. Thank you!😄
Thank you John...
Never thought I would hear you get something mixed up: S is road version and R is off road version ! LOL. Did you notice any vibes at higher revs?
Did I get that mixed up? Apologies....and no, I didn't notice any vibes, lovely bike...
This is the bike that dragged me away from bmw, never looked back. Wait until you ride the new s version.👍🏼....160hp !
Ps gear lever can be adjusted
Aha! Thanks for that....and yes agree, lovely machine, felt very BMWesque to me (and that's high praise in my opinion).....nice bit of kit. Thanks for watching - TMF
Ahh I was just about to mention that, my dealer just pointed that out showing me around the SDR model that it's all adjustable up/down + back/front
DeadHead i have a superduke coming next Wednesday 1st march.
Mark Shirley I'll be collecting mine then too or at least i hope too. I've asked for the exhaust to be fitted and the workshop understandably is pushed for time so got to wait until Monday to find out.
DeadHead excellent what colour have you gone for? I'm ha I got the white one.
Hi Andy, currently running a 2016 1200 gsa which I love but have been offered a great trade in deal on a 2018 ktm super adventure 1290 T, with only 1700miles on the clock.what’s your thoughts?
If keep the GS - I found the big KTM top heavy in comparison...
So an honest answer please TMF.When the time comes to replace your GS.Will it be another BMW or will you be going for a KTM.?
Depends what is on the market at that point! Will be many years off - now I don't work in the normal sense I don't have the cash for a new bike....If I had the money and was in the market now, I'd probably go new BMW GS/A with TFT and Nav.
This review is coming up on one year old, and yet this particular make and model still kicks tail over anything else on the market.
It’s certainly a very impressive machine!
I rode the 1190 and the 1290 and didnt really like them. The motors make too much mechanical noise for my liking.
This is the only bike that has a slim chance at pulling me off my V-Strom 1000. Its a beautiful machine but the various costs of owning one aren't for me.
Yes it is a lovely bike...but as you say, not cheap!
This is the 1290 Super Adventure 2016 modell, and it has 160 hp.
Do you remember whether the adventure T had a Quickshifter?
Sorry I don’t....
Thought the 2017 had a 6.5 inch screen?
If you had a choice between the Super Adventure and the Super Duke GT which would you choose?
The Super Duke GT :0)
Okay Mr Flyer one more question. Would you trade your GS for a Super Duke GT?
Nope
Does the bike maintain the selected riding mode (e.g. rain mode) when it is switched off?
I can't honestly 100% remember but I think it does....
Looks and chain = chose a GS. I can see people being severely torn if they have tried both though!
Yeah it's a tough one isn't it - on balance I'm a GS man and would take the GSA, but both excellent machines...
As much as I'd like something other than a GS the shaft driver wins everytime for me.