KTM 1290 Super Adventure S vs 1090 Adventure
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- čas přidán 19. 03. 2017
- Put the kettle on and relax in the masterbatorium while we exhale guffage from the launch of the 1290 Super Adventure S and the 1090 Adventure.
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Great comment about modern bikes making you feel invincible: crashed my KTM 1290 SA T in the rain a year back because (aquaplaned) because the bike made me feel impervious to mother nature.
Best piece of electronic gear is your good judgement coupled with a pinch of fear and a dose of respect.
Here’s an idea, have the electronics AND respect to mother nature? What is it about electronics that everyone gets all riled up about it. Lemme guess, your answer’s going to be reliability?
@@chrissorreda4982 You're basically saying what he was saying. Have the Electronics, ride like you don't
Paul Blickenstaff The original comment? I don’t think thats what he said. He blamed electronics for the crash and then basically said the only electronics you need is good judgment, a pinch of fear, and a dose of respect. That’s not the same as having electronics but still riding like you don’t.
@@chrissorreda4982 I don't agree that's what he said, it's still a fact that the bike made him feel impervious, but in no way does that make it the bike's fault. You're making a leap between the bike making him feel invincible (which he claimed), and the bike causing him to crash (which he did not claim). The fact he then states that you need respect further underlines the fact that he's blaming himself, not the bike. Sounds like you have a little axe to grind and you'll jump on anyone, but anyone with an iota of logic can dismantle what you're saying quite easily. Hope you're not a lawyer.
Baron Von Tumble
That thing you were saying about lobbing it due to conditions coming right out of the blue... I've had a sense that this has been a problem with cars like the Scoobie WRX for a long time. When you were pedalling an Escort Mk 1 up a bumpy B road, you knew when you were taking liberties, the car would tell you, and when you went 'over the line', it was the line of your skill you were flirting with, so the chance of just crossing it was non-zero...
Do the same in a Scoobie and it's much, much faster, and all the time as you push harder in what feels like perfect safety the electronics are saying 'I have control, I am compensating for 53% loss of grip from wheel 3 and 32% loss of grip from wheel 4 by manipulating the computer controlled differential, I've got this, it's all good... and then suddenly you push even harder than the computers can deal with and the electronics go 'grip out of range error, TILT!' and chuck the whole plot back in your lap suddenly and unexpectedly. At this point you are screwed, because you only have one throttle & one brake pedal and if the computers couldn't keep the toothpaste in the tube with all their ability to manipulate the torque and the braking to each wheel individually before they gave up and the car turned sideways, you'd have no chance of unfucking yourself even if you were ready for it.
Which is why Ford Escort owners were quite often going backwards through hedges, and Scoobie WRC owners always seem to barrel roll their cars catastrophically 300 yards into the trees...
Perhaps both Scoobies & bikes with all the IMU/cornering ABS stuff need a 'peril meter' that tells you how hard the electronics are working when they cut in? If your cornering ABS & TCS kept everything nicely in line on a bend but was working at 90% capacity to do that, telling the rider that with a red reading of 90% on a 'peril gauge' should be just as good as a big pant-filling moment at warning them they are pushing their luck...
ha - i like the idea of a "Peril Guage"..!
It's got to be the answer, if the electronics have taken more traditional through-the-arse-cheeks feedback out of the system... & I'm pretty sure the data to put something like it on the dash is 'in the system' somewhere...
Ken Haylock Prickometer was what I was thinking.
That also works :-D
Ken Haylock great comment btw. I had this problem with the front of my Mk 5 Golf R32, all ok until it really, really isn't.
Great review as always. Never mind crashing - how you managed any commentary at all on that road is amazing!
One year ownership of the 1290 SAS - still in love like on day one. Done 11.000km and I don't even want anything else...
I have zero interest in these bikes or any adventure bike but I really like watching you guys bang on about bikes in general. Keep up the great work and thanks.
Thanks for the awesome review! Really love the mix between the Interview and the on the ride commenting. Keep it up guys👍😊
tried the 1290 S. liked it so much that I've bought one
I bought a 1090 today... I am so excited to get it in two weeks ... it will be a blast. Test drive was amazing, already loved it after the first 500 metres :-D
Excellent review and solid points regarding the technology balance vs.rider feel/invincibility. Good stuff guys.
Friggin love you guys and 44. Great vid, wish you all the luck in the world with the channel 👍🏻
Best review i've seen so far of these two bikes! Well done chaps!
Let me get this strait... KTM won't make a full fairing full power bike due to self responsibility, but will make a naked version and a 160hp dirt bike. Wtf is their problem.
They just fill in those gaps in the market no other brands are in. That's always been their tactics.
@@michalpach1179 they use to make fairing bikes and stopped. That was the reason why, because it was dangerous.
hands down the best review ever. ever..
Congrats for a very nice, complete and most of all honest review. Best one I watched...Peace.
Great vlog guys...contemplating ktm purchase...info helped alot:
Great format, great review! Excellent length (time).
Hey guys, great stuff! Genuinely. I am repeating myself but now I am now craving for a comparison between these and S1000XR from you. Seriously can't wait!
I test rode the S1000XR. I didn’t care for it. The transmission was amazing but the buzzing in the handlebars was too much for my arthritis. Maybe it’ll work for you but you need to ride each bike yourself before you’ll know for sure.
fun to hear you laughing when riding. I've been riding for a while and its the one thing you can keep doing and the sensation is as if you're still 16 on a bike for the first time. Great job. I have a 690 and looking at the 1090 for longer trips.
Hi Guys! Since your review I bought the 1090. Your description of this bike is so accurate professional and just. As usual in your reviews that I wouldn’t miss as content and shape are perfect, funny, elegant and detailed. 👏🏼👍🏼
At last you've micced yourselves! My ears are very happy :D
Excellent, factual, detailed, yet amusing review boys. Keep up the good work! I think I'd like a 1090 R, but haven't seen a proper off-road review of that yet. We wait with baited breath...
Mark Newell watch Chris birch on it.
Loving these kind of video's!
Baron, would you change your GS for the 1290 A?
Great review really enjoyed the comments about both bikes! I’m looking to advance my riding skills with more trail riding, and given the response to the two road versions, would love to know your thoughts on the 2 R versions? I’m looking to upgrade my 1050 Adventure but not sure which to go with the 1090R it go all out with budget and get a 1290R? It is valid to say I am a novice for trail riding but this also means I spend a lot of time on the tarmac. Any help or thoughts greatly appreciated.
Best review found of these two beauties, thanks guys. My vote for the simplicity of the 1090, even if it's a bit oudated, because it will be a bit more reliable, perhaps.
Chris, cheers for that, you've confirmed my suspicions about the 1290s and it's electrickery and it's ability to lull you into a'false' sense of security. Just returned from a mad weekend in Mallorca and it's coastal roads, plus the N260 between Ripol and Puigcerda in the Spanish Pyrenee's, on my SMT 990. 1,500km's of sheer drool, home to home. If you have one road to ride, this would be the one! Doesn't stop me dreaming about the 1290 s though. Keep it up boy's, u'r doing a sweet job.
Great review, keep up the good work. I wonder if you can tell us about the heat issue from under the seat, is it solved completely? or just a little better than the previous model? thanks in advance.
I love hearing Barron shout with glee as he rides these bikes. That to me, is the tell tale sign that it's a good bike!
Nice video, thanks guys!
Would have been nice to see the crash though
Great Video: Weird question - which mirrors are on the super duke in the background?
Sharks with lasers! The expression when you said unrecoverable was priceless.
Another step up, amazing review and can see what you mean about electronics
Still gutted I'm missing out on the trip to Spain. Have a kick ass time!
Right, so 11 grand is a 'budget' version. Got it. BRB, off to rob a bank.
DL1000 V-Strom is slightly less money for just about everything the 1090 enjoys. Probably more reliable and less costly to maintain.
And very boring.... The price of the 1090 is still a joke though...
Pay to play with any new m/c.
Have you guy's ever tested the Triumph Tiger sport 1050? I'd like your opinion on that one.
for 100 km's a day 90% highway and some trips witch one would you recomend? confort between the 2? fuel consuption between the 2?
Another great video, keep up the good work fellas😀
Brilliant Review. Enjoyable too
Just done 1500mls around Scotland on my 1090 adventure R, loved it, done it in a week with a day of on Skye, bike is superb, would i do it again yes & I'm 63 years old?
You legend
How is wind protection?
Best review I have seen so far.
Tested both, bought the 1090. More fun and feeling of being connected. Previously owned a 1190 as well.
I am planning to buy one of them and searching specifications...
Great presentation,thks again.
excellent realistic review especially remark on 22:55 min , thank you
wow those roads! forget the 1090 I would want my 701 on those!
Lamb Chop Rides
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Looking good guys!
So where do you think this fits in with the GT? There's just too many to choose from.
either of you guys ridden the Africa twin and if so how do you rate it to the 1090 ktm?
You keep mentioning the GS, how does it compare against the Multistrada?Love the show keep it up!
Just because a man likes a set of wire wheels and a bit of hand protection on his motorcycle you assume he likes to take it up the dirt track,how very dare you........!
Another cracking video :D
It looked like you were in "Street" mode for the damping on most of the video. Sport damping allows the forks to dive and should give more of a direct "less wooly" feel.
How that would work for the comfort on those roads would have been interesting to know.
Please review the 2017 S1000R!
You two could just talk about walking a dog and I'd enjoy watching. I like watching. I'm a watcher.
Holy shit, were you guys out there last week between Cusco and Ollantaytambo? I saw a group of brand new 1290's ride by the bus I was in while I was there on holiday.
in the end which one is better?
I kinda like the Halfords handguards on the 1090... One of the best reviews I've watched: Thanks for posting, guys.
Buzz Shiteyear o
And "o" to you to, Dan!
Bugger, put the "o" in the wrong place... Should have been too.
Great review I like the 1290 just felt I was a little too throttle happy on it rather than enjoying the cruise! I’m unsure of the back end of the bike a bit too boring unlike its naked counterpart !
Finally bought a new 1090 this year. This review is probably what did it.
Hey guys great vid, as always! I need some serious help! Next year I am purchasing my dream bike and it’s between the 1290R, 1290Gt, 1290 Adventure S. I know they are all extremely different but I’m stuck, I can’t test drive a KTM here in Utah because of the dealerships being weird and don’t let you unless it’s Demo day. I love touring, riding hard at times, and love technology! How is the wind on long trips with the 1290R? If I do street only, am into loads of power, cornering, and touring which would you recommend out of the 3 mentioned? Thank you for your time guys and sorry for the long writing, I just need some help pls 🤗🤗
Claudio Nicoli same issue here.... torn between the SD-GT & SAS.
Hi Baron, great video as always chaps. I have had 1190 and now ridding a 1290 sa and fancy a change for something sportier. Now you have ridden the adventure s and the super duke gt which one do you prefer ?
Minky KTM I would like to know too!🙏🏼
So Baron, are you gonna be replacing your trusty GS with the 1290S? c:
Can you comment on 1090 touring comfort?
If you were to repeat your tour of Austria would you rather be on the Superduke GT or the 1290 Adventure S? Loved the review btw.
Phil Galea i‘ld like to know that too! Being Austrian myself and so torn between those both models.
hows the 1090 comparrd to multistrada 950
Spafftastic.
Hey chaps - budget-wise, would you still rate the 1290 in 2022? Great review btw
So if the S is good for touring where does the T fit in? And why isn't the T upgraded to the colour dash?
Paulo Warhol الله اكبر
No other bike makes you laugh like a big Ktm . I've owned almost everything and never settled until I rode my first 1290. I'm smitten . Own both 1290 super adventure and 2017 1290 superduke. Great review as always 👍🏼
Mark Shirley how tall are you? The SuperAdventure looks high
I'm 6 foot but I have the seat on the high setting. At that both my feet are flat on the floor. Just watched this again and the reaction the rider is giving is what I get. I've owned BMW xr1000 Ducati multi strands BMW Gs and every sports bike under the sun, nothing has made me feel like the 1290. Job done 👍🏼
Gentlemen.......which would you take over a long term ownership experience, the 2018 V-Strom 1000 or the KTM 1090 Adventure for a little more money?
not going to mention the quickshifter although already on the bike you have to pay 600 buck to unlock ?
That's the downpart of electronic suspension: lack of real feedback.
Altough it also depends a lot on tires. On my old 950 adventure with Heidenaus I get a warning slide before it goes. The stock scorps are just suddenly gone....
The 1090 seems to be the best bang for the buck to be honest. Also has the least electronics so makes it easyer to service the whole thing yourself.
Get a room, you two!!!
How would the 1090 compare to the ducati 950 multistrada? (not sure if you guys have ridden the 950 yet?)
Haven't ridden the 950 yet but it'd be a good battle. KTM wins on looks though
Some italians compared the two bikes. Check out Moto.it on YT!
(I´m get not payed by them)
Test rode the MTS 950 last week and it's more of a friendly first big bike. Compare it to the BMW and Triumph 800s in the class below, more than the KTM 1090 which is a lot more powerful, aggressive and therefore intimidating. The 950 engine sounded like a washing machine also. I expect the 2018/9 parallel twin KTM 800s to be in that class.
Don't forget the 2018 V-Strom 1000.
Will you ever do a review like this off the 2017 Superduke 1290 r? :)
one in the pipes...
I've got one out of the pipes after watching that, fantastic review as always!
Recently traded my '16 GSw for the 1290 SA-S. The GSw is a brilliant bike, and the wasserboxer was certainly better than my '08 GS. I always wanted a KTM but the stars never aligned. The SA-S ticked off most my boxes and figured I'm not getting any younger so I traded the GSw in. I thought I'd miss it - after 13K+ miles it was a great bike. But now 1500 miles into the SA-S, I don't miss the GSw one bit. The KTM is just...more. It also has an attitude when you want it, but putts around commuting without issue. And you have the motor. The motor the motor the motor the motor the motor the motor the motor the motor the motor the motor the motor the motor the motor the motor the motor the motor the motor the motor.
Seriously - has to be ridden to be believed. Now my Multistrada is in peril. If the '19 SDT-GT has the anticipated changes (TFT, headlight, other nips and tucks), it'll be a pair of orange bikes in the garage.
what happens with the bikes that get crashed during launches? do they sell them afterwards for a reduced price?
Slaven Knežević "Executive Owned" "Company Demonstrator"
Would like to compare it to GS or mine XR, is it better? 1290 of course
DAaaaaaaaaamn that superduke looks epic
Where does the 1290 Superduke GT fit in with these two bikes? Is it alot less comfortable? Cheers
Define comfy. We did three solid days in the GT saddle without any botty problems but, yes, the Adventures are another level of comfort. Nowhere near as sporty as the GT though
I'm just talking about body fatigue whilst doing longer touring trips. (bottocks and back ache) But I guess from your answer that shouldn't be a problem with the GT, its just not as offroadable as the adventure bikes I figure right? Thanks again
I would like to see how it compares to the multistrada
Car manufacturers could learn a thing or two from bike manufacturers about the design of the digital instruments.
Adventure bikes sure are a lot of fun on shit roads - and decent on the good roads aswell - and offroad :)
I rode Transfagarasan and Transalpina in Romania with a friend last summer, and the mountains were bloody good fun, but the road workers left sections of the asphalt peeled off - that would not have been fun on a racing bike
Noticed the dash on the 1290 jumping from white to black background. Is that some auto day/night thing going on?
Exactly that.
Wonder how the 1090 compares to my 990 SMT. The screen on the 1290 looks pretty decent, seems a nice interface. The gearbox sounds clever but if it breaks, especially in a dodgy country with limited dealer support it could be a disaster.
I'm finally at an age where I'm thinking about leaving my supersport bike for just the track and getting some kind of "touring" machine for commuting and longer rides. For me bikes like the 1200 GS and 1290 Adventure are just too big. I mean how heavy is enough for a motorcycle? Why not just get a car at that point? I had given serious thought to the S1000XR, because of its sporty appeal, yet upright position and touring capacity. I think the 1090 Adventure would fit this mold also, maybe even a Yamaha FJ-09. I grew with dirt bikes, then sport bike, maybe I'll always lean towards the side of sporty instead of all out tourer? I'm not going around the world anytime soon, maybe if I was it would change my thinking?
Ive just sold my ZX10r after years of sports bikes and bought a KTM SuperDuke GT for that exact reason. I want something for touring and still has power.
Andy McDonald go and ride a GS/SUPERADVENTURE and watch how above 5mph the weight just disappears..I am faster on every road I travel except for long straights..and I am not someone who left sports bikes because of back ache or wrist ache etc..simply put on the majority of UK roads these are exceptional
Yar D Blah I rode a mates GS from Belgium back to the North East England and never thought I'd say it but what a fantastic bike. As you say the weight disappears (even with panniers and fully loaded) and its awesome on the twists but it did leave me wanting more at the top end on motorways. Ive bought the SDGT as I do more European tours than track days and the SDGT provides the best of both.
Yar D Blah Hey Yardy. You are absolutely right about the weight disappearing - even a Goldwing is light on the gas. However big trailies/tourers are bloody heavy with full boxes and very difficult to manoeuvre on ferries and around car parks. In my experience (300kgs worth of stuffed K13GT) you've really got to plan ahead and get the misses to help on the boat! Oh yeah; and gravel is your enemy...
If you're looking at the KTMs, don't rule the 1190 Adventure out. I believe it's completely out of the model range now, but it has rider modes and electronic suspension. The 1090 is just a simpler, less powerful version of the 1190 basically. Having ridden one before, I can attest that it's an absolute torque monster.
The casual discussion of the morning bowel is a quality ice breaker - who doesn't appreciate a good $h!t in the am? Great comparo:)
DL1000 V-Strom seems to be about the most direct competitor to the 1090, in terms of philosophy of use and design, wheel sizes, and the sort of 10/90% use case. DL is slightly less expensive and has less horsepower, but equivalent torque. Also has very good suspension and powerful brakes. TC, IMU, corner-ABS.
The quick ADV bikes built for 90% paved are a superb all-rounder, for comfort they beat any other kind of motorcycle.
Guys you need to be on Netflix your shows r epic.
nothing beats cubic capacity
besides more cubic capacity of course
Marc Scheiffele - great motto
Marc Scheiffele Exactly there's no replacement for displacement
Forced induction gets you there in a different way.
Got a 1090 on test at the moment. Was thinking of changing my Africa Twin for it but i have to say I’m disappointed. Other than the extra power, it feels like I’d be downgrading. The KTM feels cheaper in build quality and the engine sounds like a bag of spanners at idle. Its the first time I’ve been on a KTM, am i missing the point?
Hey Guys, I'd like to comment on what you were saying at the end. Paraphrasing: The 1090 is maybe more fun because it's less "computerized", more mechanical, so you have more of a connection with the bike and the road. There's not as much computer wizardry as an intermediate layer between you and the bike with the 1090 and that makes it more enjoyable. I agree in all aspects (cars bikes), the more computerized, the more digital and less analog the feel. Harder to know what's really going on with the tires and the suspension as you're not sure what the computer is doing for you. I raced an 05 zx6r for a couple seasons and so I prefer the more analog feel of knowing when the tire is stepping out, knowing how much to load the front under trail braking, etc. etc. My question though is: Can't you turn off all the traction control, abs, and computer controlled suspension on the 1290, and while perhaps losing some safety net for most riders, gain back some of that direct connection with the suspension and tires through mechanical interaction instead of the digital wizardry? Or is the system so integrated that you cannot get closer to the 1090 "mechanical feel" on the 1290? I appreciate you taking the time to read and reply. All the best from across the pond!
When the Baron giggles like a school girl - you know the bike is a potential jizzer! 6:10
it was mentioned that it looks dated compared to competition... and who is the competition may i ask?
But then Mr Baron, you are back on the GSA....
Corsica is a special place right... Best roads I've ever ridden.
Bikeworld could learn a lot from Al and Chris but off topic you have 3 phase leccy there chaps.
So the 1090 is more like an updated SMT990 In terms of riotous behaviour ?
Agree would be ideal for me the 1290 is a bit OTT
Yeah, certainly more than the 1050 that my dealer tried to sell to me when that came out. The beauty of the SMT was that it was the best balance i.e. halfway between the 1090 and the SD GT, & combining the virtues of both. I'm not sold on either bike as a result. MV Agusta Turismo Veloce for me. Pick it up next week. :)
No offroad comparisons??
Need a 10k ish Adventure Touring/Sports Touring shootout video
It's in the diary!