Appreciate the mention and watch of my videos, I am still on my journey to get a GT3 RS, Part 3 video coming soon, but the whole process gets more and more dirty 😂 keep up the good work 🙌🏼
Also, why is it not fair that the customers that spend the most get first offer? That’s just life in any business. No one is forcing anyone to pay £100k overs, in time they’ll come down to under £300k.
@@brooksjtony I totally agree, having the first cars going to the best customers is totally fair. Promising people a car, watching them spend millions and not delivering the promised car is not fair though. And jumping the best customers by only buying 3 taycans is also not fair. I totally agree with you
This whole ordeal is dumb. You don't even trust politicians to keep promises for a single election cycle. Why would you expect them to keep promises for what they will do in 2030 or later? I'm going to be the world's wealthiest man in 2050! See how easy it is to say things when you'll never be held personally accountable!
The point in Harry's video about battery degradation was the most interesting bit for me, along with how the market hasn't a clue how to price used EV's in reality. Could have two 4 year old EV's, same make/model, one with 75% of it's battery left versus the other with 60% of the battery capacity left depending on how previous owners charged them and they'll be priced the same when they really shouldn't. Just a huge mess that's only getting messier.
@@Jackjhumphries7 To an extent maybe, but given they've the ability to find out the capacity without having to take an entire car apart, it still should be something they do as standard when listing EV's for sale.
The state of health of the battery need not be an issue, as it's straightforward enough to test the battery via the car's diagnostic socket, using an OBD device. This can provide a print-out of the battery's SOH (state of health) in percentage terms, so not an issue at all.
The real redpill is knowing the government wants to go green which means closing down all of our power plants for meme wind and solar energy! But at the same time if everyone replaced their fossil burners for EV's we need to triple our energy production! And this is impossible by going meme wind and solar. You are also the carbon they want to get rid of.
The difference why Harry went for the diesel was also the monthly cost which you both missed. The petroleum Range Rover sport was almost £1200 a month. Where the diesel was £690 a month. Huge difference
He chose diesel because it cot him £600 month instead of over £1200 not because it is better he will give it back when his contract expires that’s the real reason .diesel is dead most petrol car equivalent are just as efficient and cheaper to buy
Guys it’s not all about fuel economy diesel engines are good for towing and longevity. In Australia we go long distances and diesel are perfect for the job that’s why dual cab utes are so popular here
I’m still a fan of diesel, especially for larger cars. I’ve just switched from a M340d Touring to an X5. I was tempted to go for the X5M but it doesn’t make sense financially. Diesel is perfect for long journeys, the X5 has a range of +600 miles. Plus, the latest tech is on a par when it comes to emissions. Diesel produces less CO2
The difference between petrol and diesel is closer than before but diesel still wins for long journeys. The M340d was a brilliant machine. Could easily get 50mpg on motorway, easily 10mpg better than 340i. The range makes a huge difference…spend a lot less time filling up. Modern petrols do have more torque than before but they drink the fuel if you thrash them
Just to point out. Since Tony mentioned about F1 regulations changing to more sustainable fuels. The World Endurance Championship, European Le Mans Series and the World Rally Championship have been running 100% sustainable fuels for years. P1 even supply the fuel to the WRC.
Speaking of WRC, I'm not sure if it's now closed but they had a fan survey asking what people thought (probably a terrible idea because of all the Instagram people wanting group B back, not realising they've effectively got it) but what I did think was quite interesting was they floated the idea of opening it up to Ev's, hydrogen, sustainable fuels and just saying do what you want, let the best win. And honestly, I think that would actually be really cool
Funny about your comment on the vantage. About the design not being a jump. Yet look how Porsche has only evolved the 911 slightly through the generations
yh same but I can understand, they just not excited about the car because they aren't as big fans of the brand. I'm quite excited for it myself, as I'm hoping they made big steps in terms of handling like they did with the DB12, but even more so as it's lighter and it's the sports car in the lineup.
That is one thing - but what's most are not mentioning that electric engines actually brake too. There is this somewhat famous 1.2-Million-Mile Tesla went thru 13 or 14 electric engines. 3 or 4 batteries only. So actually electric engines are in this case a weak point.
Fortunately, I am old enough (56) to never have to suffer the embarrassment of driving an electric car (except for my golf cart, of course). I regularly tow my boat, bike trailer, caravan etc. I own a Range Rover V8 Supercharged and a Land Cruiser V8 Diesel.... The Diesel is just so much better at towing and fuel consumption, that I have decided the replacement for my Range Rover will also be a Diesel....
Discussion on diesel is related to the UK. Here in Germany, if you're always driving fast on the Autobahn the diesel is much cheaper. I now have a c300 petrol (not a plug in) and it's around 30%+ more on fuel costs. Diesels have there place, the the outside lane on the autobahn being driven to 250kph. That's why they still exist.
Each time you are given an EV as a press car, you should get a quote for insurance as a personal buyer and factor that in to your ‘real world’ experience. Will put you off in a heart beat. Might as well set fire to your money!
Really? The insurance on my Tesla was cheaper than my Golf. Significantly cheaper. 10+ years no claims and a clean licence living out in the countryside.
Can also throw in that in the four years I’ve been running my fiesta ST I’ve suffered 0 loss is range and performance. If anything with regular servicing and greater familiarity of the vehicle and how to keep it in its sweet spot, both have improved!
Unfortunately Tony is off the mark here, G Class was a poor comparison as there is was a lack of details - i doubt both started brimmed. I do several trips from NE to Cambridge, each way is 260miles. Recent round trips in my two cars and also a hybrid hire car shows there is still a big difference ... mpg was calculated figures too, not trip comp. 520 miles, 2023 Hyundai Tuscon Hybrid ~37mpg @1.40p/lt (£6.36Gl). Use 14.05Gl at cost of £89.36 520 miles, 2019 BMW X3 M40D ~45mpg @1.50p/lt (£6.81Gl). Use 11.55Gl at cost of £78.65 520 miles, 2018 Golf GTD ~55mpg @1.50p/lt (£6.81Gl) = Use 9.45Gl at cost of £64.35
I was put off by diesel for a number of years due to constant DPF issues on my last car since majority of my drives are local. But the newer ones are a lot more intelligent and perform DPF regens while stationary. Which is bringing me back round to diesel but most manufacturers are taking them off the market.
A big argument for me against EV's is that the poorest people in society are likely to be the people least able to charge at home and will therefore be the one's having to pay the extortionate prices at public chargers.
Very intriguing Topic I love it. As of now here in our country here in the Philippines Diesel is still the #1 choice here amongst car buyers. I recently drove an Alfa Romeo Stelvio Diesel and compared it to the current Stelvio Ti Veloce model its night and day difference in terms of consumption. The Stelvio Diesel surprised me the most despite having devilishly 210 HP for a Diesel it still coped up very well for a daily driver! Our country as of the moment is still far behind EVs but Hybrids recently gaining popularity however still us Filipinos will choose diesel cars.
The video from Mark. One dealer said he could have a slot only if he bought 3 taycan turbo s’s. He then went to Tom Hartley and Tom said he would loose £75,000 on each taycan turbo s instantly. Mainly because the new Taycan is coming out
You do wonder who is buying these Taycan's. I noticed the local Porsche dealer has at least half a dozen pre registered last year and they still have them up over £100K!! Absolute madness when it will drop at least 30-40K in the next 2 years. Maybe even more with the new model coming.
You are not advised to charge your EV above 80% or let the charge fall below 20%. Manufacturers can check this, and it might void your guarantee if you have a battery fault. Cost your time wasted in diversions to find charging points, wait in line, then forty five minutes to charge. If anyone doesn’t think that’s a massive inconvenience, then you’ve got too much time in your hands.
Harry Metcalfe for me got it spot on, it would appear Sam that only you think EV prices are good value and affordable, in the end people will always see through the marketing bullshit don’t you think 🤔
The point with Electric cars is not if you like or loathe them, it’s the fact we should have the choice of Electric, Petrol, Diesel , not forced on us.
Yep. And there’s no EV battery recycling industry because it turns out it’s hugely expensive to pay a skilled technician in restrictive PPE to spend weeks deconstructing an EV battery and splitting it into its various different ingredients.
@@anthonyfarnan5935 Utter nonsense. I watched a CZcams video of Cleveleys Electric Vehicles, based in Gloucestershire, removing and disassembling a Nissan Leaf battery pack, prior to refurbishing it. The refurb took 4 hours, and the cost was £500. Where do you keep reading the garbage you keep believing? No battery recycling industry? I think you ought to watch the CZcams video posted by Volkswagen 3 years ago, of their battery recycling plant in Zwickau, Eastern Germany. In the video, you can watch the lithium and cobalt being 90% recovered, to be reused. Redwood Industries in the US, and Renault in France, also have battery pack recycling facilities....do some research before you post nonsense.
I have an id4 and am going back to diesel I'll miss the 0 to 60 take off, but I but I won't miss the recharge wait!! Ev's are perfect if your using them within a distance of recharging at home, but if you need to use public charging, from a cost and wait point of view your better of with petrol/diesel..
Suggestion for viewer’s improvement, when you’re talking about cars for sale section, leave the image on-screen for much longer. We’d rather look at the image than look at you 2 (no offence) 😅. Just gives the viewer a chance to continue to look while you may be talking about particular bits on the car. You could always have you 2 in a smaller window in the corner.
Thing is Tony, that 60 mile range Nissan Leaf did 60 miles when it was new! It’s 12 year old tech and 24kwh battery. I’ve just sold a 10 year old Renault Zoe with 95% health, but it can still only do about 60-80miles, but that’s all it could ever do!
4 weeks ago came back from French alps. It was minus 14’c overnight, minus 10’c at 7am and never got warmer than minus 3’c (at Calais), but mostly minus 6’c for about 600 miles. I filled up night before and only stopped once to grab a coffee a splash of derv and have a pee. I’d hate to think about doing that journey in an EV … 🤣
While true that journey would be a massive pain I think because of the audience and their own lifestyles, Sam and Tony massively overeating the number of people doing those sorts of journeys. On average people drive just 18 miles a day
If Tony had driven a G400d va G63 on a motorway from the same year, then let's see... The 2017 vs 2019 not like for like and do we trust Tony's precision "i think I" and "similar"... Hmmmm
I've been seeing Nissan leafs, Kia e soul and similars that with 40% degradation that only charge to about 100 km and at a supper slow rate... In 2 to 3 years time we're going to have hundreds of solid cars with the bateries completely toasted.
Yep. And there’s no recycling industry because it turns out it’s hugely expensive to pay a skilled technician in restrictive PPE to spend weeks deconstructing an EV battery and splitting it into its various different ingredients.
@@anthonyfarnan5935 Volkswagen would be shocked to hear there is no battery recycling industry, as they built an EV battery recycling plant in Zwickau, in Eastern Germany around 3 years ago. Renault also have their own recycling facility. There are also recycling plants in the US.
Yes but for some it's still cheaper than owing an ICE vehicle. I hear a lot about octopus energy where people can charge their EV for dirt cheap between like £3 to £10 for a full charge. This is due to the energy tariff octopus offer where the car charges using the cheapest rates of energy overnight
Good that you mentioned the Mark Mcgann video but you got it completely wrong. He was trying to avoid paying overs and then told if he bought three highly specced Taycans, if that's the electric model. He thought he might be able to sell them as new no mileage cars and not lose as much but they are so difficult to sell with the market flooded and so on each one he would have lost 75000 pounds in order to get a list GT3RS.
He has a good point, which I use to prove that this whole thing isn't about the environment at all: There is *_no_* system in place for recycling. We have a system in place for tires where you have to pay for the recycling at purchase as it's baked into the price of new tires. Tire manufacturers are required by law to receive old tires and recycle them. The fact that such a system is not in place for batteries which are many times more expensive problematic is *_proof_* that it's not about the environment.
Derv is simply the best fuel for heavy goods, construction plant and 4x4’s…. Nuff said. All these EV guff is a scam; impractical, heavy, dirty (to mine raw materials for battery) and definitely not “zero emissions “ 😵💫. For sure, a small EV in the city is OK, but then so is a bike, your legs or a taxi 🤦🏻♂️
Good on you, I’ve only ever bought one car on finance some 30 years ago. Never since and never again. If you buy smart, you can buy second hand, save your lease/hp payment. Then trade up in 2/3 years and always own your own car.
Battery degradation characteristically accelerates over time, also affected by charge/discharge profile and the surrounding environmental conditions. Just a few of the reasons why real-world experience is not as manufacturers quote, which cannot be held liable for any disparity for the same reasons.
You can buy synthetic petrol now in the UK. Aspen synthetic petrol has been available for decades, and costs around £30 a gallon. That's what synthetic fuels will cost you. Think 3 to 4 times the cost of unleaded, and you'll be in the right ball park.... EV's won't be disappearing, but petrol and diesel might, given Shell's intention to cut the production of petrol and diesel by up to 40% if necessary on the lead up to 2030. The details were in Shell's last business report. A number of car makers have already stated that it will be too costly and too technically challenging to get any new engine designs through the Euro 7 emissions laws, due in 2025. It could easily add £2 to £3k onto the cost of each car....Audi have already said they are ceasing all further development work on ICE engines, and will produce their final ICE cars for the European market in 2026....
If you do a lot of mileage, diesel remains a compelling choice - particularly in heavier cars where petrols need to work harder to get them going. I was also on the train for a GT3 but lost heart with it when, after buying a new Cayman T and then a 992 Cabriolet 9 months later, Porsche hiked 911 prices ten grand to ‘improve profitability’ and it started to feel ridiculous. I cancelled my new T order and will just buy used now.
Of course diesel still has a place and yes if Diesel suits you and what you do of course buy one. I run diesel be cause I want to and because its my right to have a choice.
An interesting topic, Inchcape looking to sell all their dealerships, as the fines from the Government for not selling enough EV,s will put them out of business
I love all of the EV talk. I live in Norway and we are really being pushed into buying EVs. I really don’t want one, but it’s hard not to consider them, when they’re about half the price of the equivalent ICE version.
People dont understand a petrol saloon with a full load in the car can not even get close to a diesel with a full load, petrol cars only match diesel car mpg wen they have 1 person onboard
Yes, the diesel still makes a lot of sense for people doing over 25-30k miles per year on longer runs…i do that mileage on yearly basis and i am running a BMW Euro6 diesel for this purpose, i keep my petrol cars for joy drives. I love the petrol engines but fuel costs do count for me. EV is not a solution for me as a long drive vehicle but only as a city car which i am considering in the near future.
where i live the petrol cars are being taxed to oblivium so much that electrics and hybrids start to look like a good deal. they will not get cheaper they will just raise the ice prices to make electric look a better option. for example the new electric macan is cheaper than the petrol one here. and the fuel is also 60% taxes, they will just taxes people out of ice cars.
I personally have little to no interest in electric cars with the exception of when they are used for pottering about towns and cities. My golf is 16 years old done 130k miles in its life at an average of 30mpg. While it’s not overly efficient if / when it eventually goes bang I can shove another engine in it for £1500 and keep it alive. See too many stories of Electric vehicles that are near new with broken batteries and the buyer being billed for replacement at like 30k. As we currently sit for most normal mid size EVs they will be worthless when 16 year old as the costs of replacing batteries etc will far exceed their value. I feel we as society / politicians etc have jumped to fast into full electric vehicles vs hybrids with 1-1.5L petrol engines and a battery good for 50-100miles for town use. Given how the president at Toyota has said that with current targets at best we will see 30% of vehicles being electric - cars, motorbikes, vans etc the difference it will actually make with current tech is minor if not insignificant to the environment. Given how 3rd world countries are burning up all our old wiring, circuit boards etc in order to harvest the remaining precious metals the harm to the environment is much much worse!
I'm old enough to remember the old days of Porsche dealerships. My dad used to buy a lot of p/exs from our local dealer. Pre-Boxster in the late '80s when the model range was 968/964 911/928 they practically begged you to buy a car. They couldn't give them away. Same with Ferrari. 308/328/348/Mondial/412 were almost impossible to shift never mind all the Maserati that the dealer had to stock just to get the Ferrari's coming through. They need to be careful because those times might be coming around again. You can only piss someone off so many times.
In a day and age where you can order something online and it gets delivered the same day, ‘popping out’ for an expected 1.5hrs, to ‘fill up the EV’ is not the answer.
Fully agree small EV's for cities where appropriate. EV are not environmentally friendly as one may think look at the build cost and the cycle to make a fully EV net zero - good podcast
You’re right about the subs for this podcast. I swear sometimes it’s sooo goood and other times like this one it’s just ho hum bust one out, no topic centric, just whatever flies out of your mouths. I love your channel and this podcast don’t get me wrong but I guess like anything you can’t hit a home run every time it’s just unrealistic. So I’ll stay subbed, no worries there mate but yea my anger from this podcast definitely fueled a great workout!
Exactly the point Harry was making which was lost on these two. Diesel is best for medium to large cars (and SUVs), providing you do longer journeys. Petrol for small to medium cars (and SUVs), especially stop-start city and suburban driving.
For me (amongst many other issues) the refill/charge time is a major issue. 35 minutes for a partial charge may be fast for an EV but when I can fully fill a tank and be underway in 5 minutes in an ICE vehicle...? How much is YOUR time worth? We all have things to do and places to be and spending 30min to over an hour charging a vehicle that is environmentally dirtier than an ICE vehicle (never mind extra weight = road wear, insurance issues upcoming, battery degradation, cold weather issues {I'm in Canada} huge mining operations for battery materials etc.) seems insane to me. The only benefit at all is less smog in your immediate location but the energy to build and power these things is being created somewhere. So, are people and EV mandates based on actual change to "help the climate" or not? As they don't help the pollution over all, but in fact make it worse, how can they be. It's a real world Elysium film. The third world creates filth producing these vehicles and the rest of us swan about in silent EV luxury. Sorry, not for me. Great show as always though! Cheers lads
@@pato10111 And that would help how when you're on a longer journey? Or with the weight causing extra wear on roads, the ease that they're written off with minor damage due to repair expense, the incoming insurance restrictions on storage, the pollution caused by creating extra energy to charge millions of EV's, the fact that over half the UK has no place to park in front of their house to charge overnight, the fact that you need to rape the planet for the batteries using essentially slave labour, the fact battery degradation is wildly unknown on used cars and a list of other stupidities so long a person could type for hours. EV's are a global joke. Ford, Toyota & Honda are all pulling back. There are better options coming.
@@scottthomson9813 Considering the average journey taken in the UK is 8.4miles, the distance an EV can travel on one charge is quite a lot higher. In fact, most EV owners will tell you, they rarely visit public chargers, even on longer commutes. The average EV weighs between 2 and 3 tons so this is equivalent to the weight of a large ICE SUV. Tests have proven they have no negative affect on roads or multi-story car parks as has been previously reported in the media. I understand that not everyone can charge from home. Those people need to stick with ICE for the time being. The materials required to build an EV battery is in the kg's. In fact it isn't all that much and whats more it can be recycled. The amount of fuel required to power a car in its life time is in the tons. There is no slave labour required in mining for lithium. Battery degredation is between 5 and 35% on average over 10 years depending on usage and the type of car. It is actually very low and after 10 years the battery can be recycled.
@scott & @pato. Interesting exchange between you guys. What I see are two sides of the debate where you both have valid points but how the personal transport market evolves is likely to be a combination of coexisting technologies. EV’s have been hyped as the answer to all our transport problems but it seems suited (at least for the current generation of EV’s) as a solution for short range city driving and company car/lease drivers who have the financial means & for those who benefit from current tax breaks etc - these benefits will of course tail off when ICE tax revenues drop below a certain level. For commercial transportation hydrogen seems to be gaining traction and for legacy ICE drivers (although many years away from being the same price as regular petrol) synthetic fuels are being developed and supported by companies like Porsche. Personally I’m not too concerned how this all plays out. ICE cars (petrol & diesel) will be here for decades and EV’s are here to stay (Toyotas solid state technology looks interesting).
@@sultanoftippoo3857 One of the most persistent myths about electric vehicles (EVs) is that they’re only suitable for short-range city driving. However, this misconception overlooks a crucial aspect: home charging. Many non-EV owners fail to consider the convenience of charging at home. They underestimate how far EVs can travel on a single charge before needing to plug in again. While it’s true that on very long trips, you might require a public charger, the context matters. For cross-country journeys and back, you’d likely stop for fuel anyway, whether you’re driving an EV or an internal combustion engine (ICE) car. Interestingly, public chargers are predominantly used by sales representatives, rather than everyday EV owners. In the UK, if every EV simultaneously pulled up to a public charger, there would be approximately 11 cars per charger, resulting in a 4-hour wait time. However, most EV owners don’t heavily rely on public chargers. Instead, they charge their vehicles overnight at home. Now, let’s compare this to ICE cars: If every ICE car in the UK converged on a petrol station simultaneously, there would be around 1400 cars waiting, leading to a staggering 17-hour queue. The issue lies in the misinformation surrounding EVs. Some reports perpetuate false narratives. For instance, I doubt that Sam or Tony-individuals who test press cars and manage stock-have home chargers. They likely rely on public charging infrastructure for their work-related needs. Remember, understanding the nuances of EVs and dispelling myths is essential for informed decision-making.
Evs are great as city cars to some extent, but compare the price of even a used Fiat 500 ev to a used twinair petrol one (which is tax free). Lighter, slower, vastly cheaper, and it will last more years.
Tony is right about 996 turbos. They are 20 year old super cars with super car bills. It has 4x4 systems, 3 radiators, two turbos, metres of coolant line. A few did get in the hands of budget tuners and neglected. I have had mine 12 years, it’s probably cost me £20k in maintenance. Needs new turbo shells, rear spoiler struts, top mounts etc. could easily be £8k bill.
New Diesel engines will sure stand the test of time. Their durability will propel oil companies to continue filling them. A reprogramming of their ECU will make them even more durable and economic. EV cost going to drop. I see professional, Company cars and transport to remain diesel territory for a long while. Diesel is the best cars we have, modern TDI are great engines all around.
There will never be price parity on an EV. Problem is 75% of people by second hand. Buying a used EV is a minefield, batteries do degrade over time, but when they go they fall off a cliff, probably getting a few days notice. So an EV with no warranty won’t be touched as it’s too much of a gamble. Where as a ICE car out of warranty one isn’t a big deal, and you can even get warranties on them if you want. No one will warranty the battery on an out of warranty EV.
Just got a diesel F-Pace, on my commute I’m getting between 44-48 mpg. I’m not getting that from a petrol F-Pace! Wouldn’t mind an EV for myself, but a) we’ve only got one charger at home and my other half uses it for her car and b) I don’t pay enough tax to make our at work scheme save me any money. Would need to be on 45% to make it worth it, although thats a lease. Not buying one 😂
The move is to be fortunate enough to have two cars, one of them an EV which is run through your own Ltd company, with your own driveway. Then you use what works best for that day
My diesel Fpace S still had the same amount of fuel and range when I got back from a 2 week holiday. I have heard that Evs leek range over time sitting Idle.
Well here in NZ, government have stopped giving out EV rebates and also now charging road user charges for EV and PHEV (pre paid per km charge, $0.51 per km NZD from memory) so it’s started here but we so little
Both of them. Old batteries can be recycled and many are used for sessile energy storage. They last as long as ice cars. He could have charged at his Mum’s overnight, when parking etc. yes the infrastructure is a long way from where it needs to be and evs will be much better in future
Just a few points (I work in research on the energy transition) Obviously when buying a car you need to look at your needs but..... - Tony not sure a TwinAir 1.2 Fiat does a million miles with is tiny little petrol tank. - The speed of Battery degradation in the old Nissan Leaf cars was due to poor ventilation. - The 'car battery can't be recycled' is a bit of a myth now, 95% of the material in a car battery can be recycled. - Hydrogen is not the answer for passenger cars, it's far too energy intensive for it to be cost effective. - Sustainable fuels are going to the preserve of people with classic cars and super cars; because the problem is scale. For example, Porsche thinks they'll be able to produce 100 million litres a year from 2028 which works out to be 630,000 barrels, the US consumes 20 million barrels per day Why don't you get Quentin Wilson, or even better Auke Hoekstra on?
It’s not whether or not an EV battery can be recycled, it’s whether or not it’s economically viable to do so. Turns out it’s hugely expensive to pay a highly trained technician wearing PPE to pull apart an EV battery by hand and separate it out into all of its individual rare earth minerals in a process which takes several weeks. That’s why end of life EV batteries are a huge environmental problem and are being shipped to poor countries for landfill.
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Appreciate the mention and watch of my videos, I am still on my journey to get a GT3 RS, Part 3 video coming soon, but the whole process gets more and more dirty 😂 keep up the good work 🙌🏼
Absolutely loving that series. Expose these charlatans.
Those taycans sitting in your garage 😂
But Mark, you knew then Taycans were a no go!
Also, why is it not fair that the customers that spend the most get first offer? That’s just life in any business. No one is forcing anyone to pay £100k overs, in time they’ll come down to under £300k.
@@brooksjtony I totally agree, having the first cars going to the best customers is totally fair. Promising people a car, watching them spend millions and not delivering the promised car is not fair though. And jumping the best customers by only buying 3 taycans is also not fair. I totally agree with you
You should buy/keep the car which suits YOUR needs! Dont let the politicians tell you what to do!
This whole ordeal is dumb. You don't even trust politicians to keep promises for a single election cycle. Why would you expect them to keep promises for what they will do in 2030 or later?
I'm going to be the world's wealthiest man in 2050! See how easy it is to say things when you'll never be held personally accountable!
The point in Harry's video about battery degradation was the most interesting bit for me, along with how the market hasn't a clue how to price used EV's in reality. Could have two 4 year old EV's, same make/model, one with 75% of it's battery left versus the other with 60% of the battery capacity left depending on how previous owners charged them and they'll be priced the same when they really shouldn't. Just a huge mess that's only getting messier.
The same could be said for ice vehicles same year same mileage you will never know the true wear and tear even with fsh
@@Jackjhumphries7 To an extent maybe, but given they've the ability to find out the capacity without having to take an entire car apart, it still should be something they do as standard when listing EV's for sale.
The state of health of the battery need not be an issue, as it's straightforward enough to test the battery via the car's diagnostic socket, using an OBD device. This can provide a print-out of the battery's SOH (state of health) in percentage terms, so not an issue at all.
The real redpill is knowing the government wants to go green which means closing down all of our power plants for meme wind and solar energy! But at the same time if everyone replaced their fossil burners for EV's we need to triple our energy production! And this is impossible by going meme wind and solar.
You are also the carbon they want to get rid of.
Entirely true although battery degradation is a lot lower than that in general.
The difference why Harry went for the diesel was also the monthly cost which you both missed. The petroleum Range Rover sport was almost £1200 a month. Where the diesel was £690 a month. Huge difference
Didn’t miss it, £1600 ev pcm, £1300 ish for the hybrid and £600 for the diesel….
If you’ve been to Tenerife, Tony’s been to Elevenerife
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The 996 Turbo you mention in Stock Watch is my car! Thanks for the shout out ✌️
Harry Metcalfe says yes to diesel.
Totally agree with Harry….I choose diesel for my car and it’s the best mix of economy and performance
Harry enjoys spreading cancer it seems
It’s suits him yes still stinks though!
@@charleswatson7281diesel cars sound like transit vans. If you want to save money get the bus
He chose diesel because it cot him £600 month instead of over £1200 not because it is better he will give it back when his contract expires that’s the real reason .diesel is dead most petrol car equivalent are just as efficient and cheaper to buy
Guys it’s not all about fuel economy diesel engines are good for towing and longevity. In Australia we go long distances and diesel are perfect for the job that’s why dual cab utes are so popular here
I’m still a fan of diesel, especially for larger cars. I’ve just switched from a M340d Touring to an X5. I was tempted to go for the X5M but it doesn’t make sense financially. Diesel is perfect for long journeys, the X5 has a range of +600 miles. Plus, the latest tech is on a par when it comes to emissions. Diesel produces less CO2
The difference between petrol and diesel is closer than before but diesel still wins for long journeys. The M340d was a brilliant machine. Could easily get 50mpg on motorway, easily 10mpg better than 340i. The range makes a huge difference…spend a lot less time filling up. Modern petrols do have more torque than before but they drink the fuel if you thrash them
Just to point out. Since Tony mentioned about F1 regulations changing to more sustainable fuels. The World Endurance Championship, European Le Mans Series and the World Rally Championship have been running 100% sustainable fuels for years. P1 even supply the fuel to the WRC.
Speaking of WRC, I'm not sure if it's now closed but they had a fan survey asking what people thought (probably a terrible idea because of all the Instagram people wanting group B back, not realising they've effectively got it) but what I did think was quite interesting was they floated the idea of opening it up to Ev's, hydrogen, sustainable fuels and just saying do what you want, let the best win. And honestly, I think that would actually be really cool
Funny about your comment on the vantage. About the design not being a jump. Yet look how Porsche has only evolved the 911 slightly through the generations
yh same but I can understand, they just not excited about the car because they aren't as big fans of the brand. I'm quite excited for it myself, as I'm hoping they made big steps in terms of handling like they did with the DB12, but even more so as it's lighter and it's the sports car in the lineup.
911 each generation get huge upgrades over the previous gen.
@@v4skunk739no it doesnt.
Nissan leaf has no active cooling or heating of the battery, that's why they loose quickly capacity.
That is one thing - but what's most are not mentioning that electric engines actually brake too. There is this somewhat famous 1.2-Million-Mile Tesla went thru 13 or 14 electric engines. 3 or 4 batteries only. So actually electric engines are in this case a weak point.
Hold on let me just attach a gas burner to my gas tank so that I can keep my gas warm
Lithium batteries: not even once
Loose?
@@hagestad Electric engines???
@@Brian-om2hh yep. I guess those shout be called electric motors.
Fortunately, I am old enough (56) to never have to suffer the embarrassment of driving an electric car (except for my golf cart, of course). I regularly tow my boat, bike trailer, caravan etc. I own a Range Rover V8 Supercharged and a Land Cruiser V8 Diesel.... The Diesel is just so much better at towing and fuel consumption, that I have decided the replacement for my Range Rover will also be a Diesel....
Discussion on diesel is related to the UK.
Here in Germany, if you're always driving fast on the Autobahn the diesel is much cheaper. I now have a c300 petrol (not a plug in) and it's around 30%+ more on fuel costs.
Diesels have there place, the the outside lane on the autobahn being driven to 250kph. That's why they still exist.
Diesel forever! 10 times more reliable than a petrol or electric and cheaper by a mile to run.
I had a Golf GTD and it was low-key one of the best cars I've ever owned. 60mpg would be the norm in that thing
Low-key? Are you 15?
@@broken12367 under the radar? Can I be considered an adult now 😂
Each time you are given an EV as a press car, you should get a quote for insurance as a personal buyer and factor that in to your ‘real world’ experience. Will put you off in a heart beat. Might as well set fire to your money!
Really? The insurance on my Tesla was cheaper than my Golf. Significantly cheaper. 10+ years no claims and a clean licence living out in the countryside.
Interesting. 🤔 How long have you had your Tesla? If more than 1 year, was there a significant increase on the second year?
Insurance is usually not so bad for older people
Can also throw in that in the four years I’ve been running my fiesta ST I’ve suffered 0 loss is range and performance. If anything with regular servicing and greater familiarity of the vehicle and how to keep it in its sweet spot, both have improved!
Unfortunately Tony is off the mark here, G Class was a poor comparison as there is was a lack of details - i doubt both started brimmed. I do several trips from NE to Cambridge, each way is 260miles. Recent round trips in my two cars and also a hybrid hire car shows there is still a big difference ... mpg was calculated figures too, not trip comp.
520 miles, 2023 Hyundai Tuscon Hybrid ~37mpg @1.40p/lt (£6.36Gl). Use 14.05Gl at cost of £89.36
520 miles, 2019 BMW X3 M40D ~45mpg @1.50p/lt (£6.81Gl). Use 11.55Gl at cost of £78.65
520 miles, 2018 Golf GTD ~55mpg @1.50p/lt (£6.81Gl) = Use 9.45Gl at cost of £64.35
The battery health indicator was a huge point. It’s the deal breaker for me.
I was put off by diesel for a number of years due to constant DPF issues on my last car since majority of my drives are local.
But the newer ones are a lot more intelligent and perform DPF regens while stationary.
Which is bringing me back round to diesel but most manufacturers are taking them off the market.
A big argument for me against EV's is that the poorest people in society are likely to be the people least able to charge at home and will therefore be the one's having to pay the extortionate prices at public chargers.
Very intriguing Topic I love it. As of now here in our country here in the Philippines Diesel is still the #1 choice here amongst car buyers. I recently drove an Alfa Romeo Stelvio Diesel and compared it to the current Stelvio Ti Veloce model its night and day difference in terms of consumption. The Stelvio Diesel surprised me the most despite having devilishly 210 HP for a Diesel it still coped up very well for a daily driver! Our country as of the moment is still far behind EVs but Hybrids recently gaining popularity however still us Filipinos will choose diesel cars.
Greta & Co. are coming for you next.
@@Memovox 🤣😂
The video from Mark. One dealer said he could have a slot only if he bought 3 taycan turbo s’s. He then went to Tom Hartley and Tom said he would loose £75,000 on each taycan turbo s instantly. Mainly because the new Taycan is coming out
Just saw your comment as I made the same point!!
You do wonder who is buying these Taycan's. I noticed the local Porsche dealer has at least half a dozen pre registered last year and they still have them up over £100K!! Absolute madness when it will drop at least 30-40K in the next 2 years. Maybe even more with the new model coming.
You are not advised to charge your EV above 80% or let the charge fall below 20%. Manufacturers can check this, and it might void your guarantee if you have a battery fault. Cost your time wasted in diversions to find charging points, wait in line, then forty five minutes to charge. If anyone doesn’t think that’s a massive inconvenience, then you’ve got too much time in your hands.
Harry Metcalfe for me got it spot on, it would appear Sam that only you think EV prices are good value and affordable, in the end people will always see through the marketing bullshit don’t you think 🤔
"there are Nissan Leafs that have only degraded 35 or 40%". Jesus Christ! That's terrifying. That's not an "only"!
But the positive is that the Leaf battery can be refurbished at relatively low cost. Often at around the cost of fitting a new clutch to an ICE car.
@@Brian-om2hh that's not too bad, obviously many batteries are so expensive to replace, the car will be scrapped.
The point with Electric cars is not if you like or loathe them, it’s the fact we should have the choice of Electric, Petrol, Diesel , not forced on us.
Mining for lithium is going to become a big problem for the environment at some point.
Yep. And there’s no EV battery recycling industry because it turns out it’s hugely expensive to pay a skilled technician in restrictive PPE to spend weeks deconstructing an EV battery and splitting it into its various different ingredients.
So will drilling for oil and extracting it. Because one day it will run out, and there won't be anymore......
@@anthonyfarnan5935 Utter nonsense. I watched a CZcams video of Cleveleys Electric Vehicles, based in Gloucestershire, removing and disassembling a Nissan Leaf battery pack, prior to refurbishing it. The refurb took 4 hours, and the cost was £500. Where do you keep reading the garbage you keep believing? No battery recycling industry? I think you ought to watch the CZcams video posted by Volkswagen 3 years ago, of their battery recycling plant in Zwickau, Eastern Germany. In the video, you can watch the lithium and cobalt being 90% recovered, to be reused. Redwood Industries in the US, and Renault in France, also have battery pack recycling facilities....do some research before you post nonsense.
@@Brian-om2hh refurbishing? I’m talking about recycling, son.
I have an id4 and am going back to diesel I'll miss the 0 to 60 take off, but I but I won't miss the recharge wait!! Ev's are perfect if your using them within a distance of recharging at home, but if you need to use public charging, from a cost and wait point of view your better of with petrol/diesel..
You never factored in the horrific EV depreciation which far outweighs the fuel cost
Suggestion for viewer’s improvement, when you’re talking about cars for sale section, leave the image on-screen for much longer. We’d rather look at the image than look at you 2 (no offence) 😅. Just gives the viewer a chance to continue to look while you may be talking about particular bits on the car. You could always have you 2 in a smaller window in the corner.
Thing is Tony, that 60 mile range Nissan Leaf did 60 miles when it was new! It’s 12 year old tech and 24kwh battery. I’ve just sold a 10 year old Renault Zoe with 95% health, but it can still only do about 60-80miles, but that’s all it could ever do!
Leaf batteries are renowned to be shit.
@@wizzyno1566 it’s the only one I wouldn’t buy to be fair. No thermal management at all.
I've always had a diesel and will continue to use a diesel.... for my jollies, I have a high performance motorcycle 👌👌
4 weeks ago came back from French alps. It was minus 14’c overnight, minus 10’c at 7am and never got warmer than minus 3’c (at Calais), but mostly minus 6’c for about 600 miles. I filled up night before and only stopped once to grab a coffee a splash of derv and have a pee. I’d hate to think about doing that journey in an EV … 🤣
While true that journey would be a massive pain I think because of the audience and their own lifestyles, Sam and Tony massively overeating the number of people doing those sorts of journeys. On average people drive just 18 miles a day
If Tony had driven a G400d va G63 on a motorway from the same year, then let's see... The 2017 vs 2019 not like for like and do we trust Tony's precision "i think I" and "similar"... Hmmmm
Lol 😅
I've been seeing Nissan leafs, Kia e soul and similars that with 40% degradation that only charge to about 100 km and at a supper slow rate... In 2 to 3 years time we're going to have hundreds of solid cars with the bateries completely toasted.
Yep. And there’s no recycling industry because it turns out it’s hugely expensive to pay a skilled technician in restrictive PPE to spend weeks deconstructing an EV battery and splitting it into its various different ingredients.
@@anthonyfarnan5935 Volkswagen would be shocked to hear there is no battery recycling industry, as they built an EV battery recycling plant in Zwickau, in Eastern Germany around 3 years ago. Renault also have their own recycling facility. There are also recycling plants in the US.
40 quid for a charge to drive around 150 miles? What a bargain 😂
Unless you charge at home then 300 mile for £6-8
Using public charging becomes cheaper if you subscribe to the network. Non-subscribers pay the full price...
Harry also has a whole video shitting on i5 m60.
One of the points that Mark makes is that you can buy the six, cars, bike, watch and kiddies ride along and you still ARENT guaranteed that slot 😄
If you are charging your car at home wouldn’t that add to your power bill?
Yes but for some it's still cheaper than owing an ICE vehicle. I hear a lot about octopus energy where people can charge their EV for dirt cheap between like £3 to £10 for a full charge. This is due to the energy tariff octopus offer where the car charges using the cheapest rates of energy overnight
Good that you mentioned the Mark Mcgann video but you got it completely wrong. He was trying to avoid paying overs and then told if he bought three highly specced Taycans, if that's the electric model. He thought he might be able to sell them as new no mileage cars and not lose as much but they are so difficult to sell with the market flooded and so on each one he would have lost 75000 pounds in order to get a list GT3RS.
I brought a brand new X3 20i in 2022.
Nearly fully loads.
Get around 55mpg on motor way.
And around town 32mpg.
Can't complain
you need to get Harry on this channel!! Get it done already 😃
He has a good point, which I use to prove that this whole thing isn't about the environment at all: There is *_no_* system in place for recycling. We have a system in place for tires where you have to pay for the recycling at purchase as it's baked into the price of new tires. Tire manufacturers are required by law to receive old tires and recycle them. The fact that such a system is not in place for batteries which are many times more expensive problematic is *_proof_* that it's not about the environment.
Derv is simply the best fuel for heavy goods, construction plant and 4x4’s…. Nuff said. All these EV guff is a scam; impractical, heavy, dirty (to mine raw materials for battery) and definitely not “zero emissions “ 😵💫. For sure, a small EV in the city is OK, but then so is a bike, your legs or a taxi 🤦🏻♂️
My 20 year old mondeo 1.8 petrol averages around 40 to the gallon and i own it outright.😂
Good on you, I’ve only ever bought one car on finance some 30 years ago. Never since and never again. If you buy smart, you can buy second hand, save your lease/hp payment. Then trade up in 2/3 years and always own your own car.
I agree with Tony what do you do with the battery went it dies ...no one wants the EV after the battery dies
went x3 3 litre diesel and very happy with it. I want to keep the car for around 5-7 years so it was really the only one to go for
Battery degradation characteristically accelerates over time, also affected by charge/discharge profile and the surrounding environmental conditions. Just a few of the reasons why real-world experience is not as manufacturers quote, which cannot be held liable for any disparity for the same reasons.
We all be driving diesel again soon when EVs disappear and synthetic fuels readily available
You can buy synthetic petrol now in the UK. Aspen synthetic petrol has been available for decades, and costs around £30 a gallon. That's what synthetic fuels will cost you. Think 3 to 4 times the cost of unleaded, and you'll be in the right ball park.... EV's won't be disappearing, but petrol and diesel might, given Shell's intention to cut the production of petrol and diesel by up to 40% if necessary on the lead up to 2030. The details were in Shell's last business report. A number of car makers have already stated that it will be too costly and too technically challenging to get any new engine designs through the Euro 7 emissions laws, due in 2025. It could easily add £2 to £3k onto the cost of each car....Audi have already said they are ceasing all further development work on ICE engines, and will produce their final ICE cars for the European market in 2026....
If you do a lot of mileage, diesel remains a compelling choice - particularly in heavier cars where petrols need to work harder to get them going.
I was also on the train for a GT3 but lost heart with it when, after buying a new Cayman T and then a 992 Cabriolet 9 months later, Porsche hiked 911 prices ten grand to ‘improve profitability’ and it started to feel ridiculous. I cancelled my new T order and will just buy used now.
Well worth watching Mark Mcann part 2!
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Of course diesel still has a place and yes if Diesel suits you and what you do of course buy one. I run diesel be cause I want to and because its my right to have a choice.
A diesel vehicle for us in Australia is a no brainier, but now they're putting adblue systems in normal passenger utes.
Just fast forwarded past EV section 🤷♂️
EVs have almost zero advantages. If they were so great we wouldn't even have the debate. Let's stick to what works ⛽
An interesting topic, Inchcape looking to sell all their dealerships, as the fines from the Government for not selling enough EV,s will put them out of business
Typically slimy government "putting back" the ban but implementing rules that effectively start the ban.
Still driving a diesel as a daily. Would have one over an EV every day of the week.
I love all of the EV talk. I live in Norway and we are really being pushed into buying EVs. I really don’t want one, but it’s hard not to consider them, when they’re about half the price of the equivalent ICE version.
How much do you have to pay in taxes for them? A lot. Unfortunately they don't make EV drivers pay for those taxes, it's everyone...
People dont understand a petrol saloon with a full load in the car can not even get close to a diesel with a full load, petrol cars only match diesel car mpg wen they have 1 person onboard
Yes, the diesel still makes a lot of sense for people doing over 25-30k miles per year on longer runs…i do that mileage on yearly basis and i am running a BMW Euro6 diesel for this purpose, i keep my petrol cars for joy drives. I love the petrol engines but fuel costs do count for me. EV is not a solution for me as a long drive vehicle but only as a city car which i am considering in the near future.
where i live the petrol cars are being taxed to oblivium so much that electrics and hybrids start to look like a good deal. they will not get cheaper they will just raise the ice prices to make electric look a better option. for example the new electric macan is cheaper than the petrol one here. and the fuel is also 60% taxes, they will just taxes people out of ice cars.
BMW charged up quickly? 30% battery to 80% battery in 40 minutes?! That’s NOT rapido fella!
It wasn’t 40 minutes
Better than last week 👍
I personally have little to no interest in electric cars with the exception of when they are used for pottering about towns and cities. My golf is 16 years old done 130k miles in its life at an average of 30mpg. While it’s not overly efficient if / when it eventually goes bang I can shove another engine in it for £1500 and keep it alive. See too many stories of Electric vehicles that are near new with broken batteries and the buyer being billed for replacement at like 30k. As we currently sit for most normal mid size EVs they will be worthless when 16 year old as the costs of replacing batteries etc will far exceed their value. I feel we as society / politicians etc have jumped to fast into full electric vehicles vs hybrids with 1-1.5L petrol engines and a battery good for 50-100miles for town use.
Given how the president at Toyota has said that with current targets at best we will see 30% of vehicles being electric - cars, motorbikes, vans etc the difference it will actually make with current tech is minor if not insignificant to the environment. Given how 3rd world countries are burning up all our old wiring, circuit boards etc in order to harvest the remaining precious metals the harm to the environment is much much worse!
Long term viewer here from Northern Ireland, Hello
From NI too haha
They should do a live podcast in Belfast I think
@rejoicerone3176 would love that, they talked about it before in previous podcasts but nothing more about it yet
@@danieljohnston6817 yaa I would actually go to it too haha... Get to meet a few petrol heads too
I'd go to
I'm old enough to remember the old days of Porsche dealerships. My dad used to buy a lot of p/exs from our local dealer. Pre-Boxster in the late '80s when the model range was 968/964 911/928 they practically begged you to buy a car. They couldn't give them away. Same with Ferrari. 308/328/348/Mondial/412 were almost impossible to shift never mind all the Maserati that the dealer had to stock just to get the Ferrari's coming through. They need to be careful because those times might be coming around again. You can only piss someone off so many times.
In a day and age where you can order something online and it gets delivered the same day, ‘popping out’ for an expected 1.5hrs, to ‘fill up the EV’ is not the answer.
Big SUVs ie X% class and above are good as diesels..Nice torque and efficient as well.
Fully agree small EV's for cities where appropriate. EV are not environmentally friendly as one may think look at the build cost and the cycle to make a fully EV net zero - good podcast
You’re right about the subs for this podcast. I swear sometimes it’s sooo goood and other times like this one it’s just ho hum bust one out, no topic centric, just whatever flies out of your mouths.
I love your channel and this podcast don’t get me wrong but I guess like anything you can’t hit a home run every time it’s just unrealistic. So I’ll stay subbed, no worries there mate but yea my anger from this podcast definitely fueled a great workout!
Diesel for large 4x4s like my GLE400d
Exactly the point Harry was making which was lost on these two. Diesel is best for medium to large cars (and SUVs), providing you do longer journeys. Petrol for small to medium cars (and SUVs), especially stop-start city and suburban driving.
For me (amongst many other issues) the refill/charge time is a major issue. 35 minutes for a partial charge may be fast for an EV but when I can fully fill a tank and be underway in 5 minutes in an ICE vehicle...? How much is YOUR time worth? We all have things to do and places to be and spending 30min to over an hour charging a vehicle that is environmentally dirtier than an ICE vehicle (never mind extra weight = road wear, insurance issues upcoming, battery degradation, cold weather issues {I'm in Canada} huge mining operations for battery materials etc.) seems insane to me. The only benefit at all is less smog in your immediate location but the energy to build and power these things is being created somewhere. So, are people and EV mandates based on actual change to "help the climate" or not? As they don't help the pollution over all, but in fact make it worse, how can they be. It's a real world Elysium film. The third world creates filth producing these vehicles and the rest of us swan about in silent EV luxury. Sorry, not for me. Great show as always though! Cheers lads
Charge from home at night mate.
@@pato10111 And that would help how when you're on a longer journey? Or with the weight causing extra wear on roads, the ease that they're written off with minor damage due to repair expense, the incoming insurance restrictions on storage, the pollution caused by creating extra energy to charge millions of EV's, the fact that over half the UK has no place to park in front of their house to charge overnight, the fact that you need to rape the planet for the batteries using essentially slave labour, the fact battery degradation is wildly unknown on used cars and a list of other stupidities so long a person could type for hours. EV's are a global joke. Ford, Toyota & Honda are all pulling back. There are better options coming.
@@scottthomson9813 Considering the average journey taken in the UK is 8.4miles, the distance an EV can travel on one charge is quite a lot higher. In fact, most EV owners will tell you, they rarely visit public chargers, even on longer commutes. The average EV weighs between 2 and 3 tons so this is equivalent to the weight of a large ICE SUV. Tests have proven they have no negative affect on roads or multi-story car parks as has been previously reported in the media. I understand that not everyone can charge from home. Those people need to stick with ICE for the time being. The materials required to build an EV battery is in the kg's. In fact it isn't all that much and whats more it can be recycled. The amount of fuel required to power a car in its life time is in the tons. There is no slave labour required in mining for lithium. Battery degredation is between 5 and 35% on average over 10 years depending on usage and the type of car. It is actually very low and after 10 years the battery can be recycled.
@scott & @pato.
Interesting exchange between you guys. What I see are two sides of the debate where you both have valid points but how the personal transport market evolves is likely to be a combination of coexisting technologies.
EV’s have been hyped as the answer to all our transport problems but it seems suited (at least for the current generation of EV’s) as a solution for short range city driving and company car/lease drivers who have the financial means & for those who benefit from current tax breaks etc - these benefits will of course tail off when ICE tax revenues drop below a certain level.
For commercial transportation hydrogen seems to be gaining traction and for legacy ICE drivers (although many years away from being the same price as regular petrol) synthetic fuels are being developed and supported by companies like Porsche.
Personally I’m not too concerned how this all plays out. ICE cars (petrol & diesel) will be here for decades and EV’s are here to stay (Toyotas solid state technology looks interesting).
@@sultanoftippoo3857 One of the most persistent myths about electric vehicles (EVs) is that they’re only suitable for short-range city driving. However, this misconception overlooks a crucial aspect: home charging. Many non-EV owners fail to consider the convenience of charging at home. They underestimate how far EVs can travel on a single charge before needing to plug in again.
While it’s true that on very long trips, you might require a public charger, the context matters. For cross-country journeys and back, you’d likely stop for fuel anyway, whether you’re driving an EV or an internal combustion engine (ICE) car. Interestingly, public chargers are predominantly used by sales representatives, rather than everyday EV owners.
In the UK, if every EV simultaneously pulled up to a public charger, there would be approximately 11 cars per charger, resulting in a 4-hour wait time. However, most EV owners don’t heavily rely on public chargers. Instead, they charge their vehicles overnight at home.
Now, let’s compare this to ICE cars: If every ICE car in the UK converged on a petrol station simultaneously, there would be around 1400 cars waiting, leading to a staggering 17-hour queue.
The issue lies in the misinformation surrounding EVs. Some reports perpetuate false narratives. For instance, I doubt that Sam or Tony-individuals who test press cars and manage stock-have home chargers. They likely rely on public charging infrastructure for their work-related needs.
Remember, understanding the nuances of EVs and dispelling myths is essential for informed decision-making.
Evs are great as city cars to some extent, but compare the price of even a used Fiat 500 ev to a used twinair petrol one (which is tax free). Lighter, slower, vastly cheaper, and it will last more years.
My next car will be petrol 👍😀 same as the one I’ve just had for 7 years 💥
you've wasted 1 hr of your life charging, how is that even slightly acceptable. Stop trying so hard to be impressed with them.
Gotta collect those social credits
Tony is right about 996 turbos. They are 20 year old super cars with super car bills. It has 4x4 systems, 3 radiators, two turbos, metres of coolant line. A few did get in the hands of budget tuners and neglected. I have had mine 12 years, it’s probably cost me £20k in maintenance. Needs new turbo shells, rear spoiler struts, top mounts etc. could easily be £8k bill.
So less than 2k per year... hardly expensive to run...
New Diesel engines will sure stand the test of time. Their durability will propel oil companies to continue filling them. A reprogramming of their ECU will make them even more durable and economic. EV cost going to drop. I see professional, Company cars and transport to remain diesel territory for a long while. Diesel is the best cars we have, modern TDI are great engines all around.
Don’t forget the ridiculous insurance prices for EVs, when adding that into the total cost EVs are horrendous..
Why does tony mean when he says ‘in the trade the cayman gt4rs is under list’?
It’s obvious when they stop talking about EV’s because they immediately start arguing 😂
There will never be price parity on an EV.
Problem is 75% of people by second hand.
Buying a used EV is a minefield, batteries do degrade over time, but when they go they fall off a cliff, probably getting a few days notice.
So an EV with no warranty won’t be touched as it’s too much of a gamble. Where as a ICE car out of warranty one isn’t a big deal, and you can even get warranties on them if you want. No one will warranty the battery on an out of warranty EV.
Just got a diesel F-Pace, on my commute I’m getting between 44-48 mpg. I’m not getting that from a petrol F-Pace! Wouldn’t mind an EV for myself, but a) we’ve only got one charger at home and my other half uses it for her car and b) I don’t pay enough tax to make our at work scheme save me any money. Would need to be on 45% to make it worth it, although thats a lease. Not buying one 😂
The move is to be fortunate enough to have two cars, one of them an EV which is run through your own Ltd company, with your own driveway. Then you use what works best for that day
My brother's Jaguar XJ8 here in Florida gets 35 MPG on highway, cylinder deactivation works great in that case
Guys so 3 series touring would you go for the big petrol vs the diesel ??
Unfortunately I think hydrogen is dead. BP is closing all of their stations in the US
Shell has shut down all it's hydrogen assets in the UK, and in some other countries.
Ooooo that’s my lunch break sorted!
My diesel Fpace S still had the same amount of fuel and range when I got back from a 2 week holiday. I have heard that Evs leek range over time sitting Idle.
Should really have guests on. Will change up the dynamic and get a different opinion on things. Best way to boost viewership too.
The new Mazda 3.3 litre diesel has one quarter the particulate of current euro 6 and well under euro 7 without adblue..
I love my sq5 d its the perfect engine
Hey what about all the people that rely on sub 1k bangers to get to work or kids to school ? You won’t have a ev banner.
As battery capacity/performance has improved, we've continually shoved more & more sh!t & demands on them. End result, we tread water; at best.
Well here in NZ, government have stopped giving out EV rebates and also now charging road user charges for EV and PHEV (pre paid per km charge, $0.51 per km NZD from memory) so it’s started here but we so little
This video shown me how clueless Tony really is on cars over 3 years old
Both of them. Old batteries can be recycled and many are used for sessile energy storage. They last as long as ice cars. He could have charged at his Mum’s overnight, when parking etc. yes the infrastructure is a long way from where it needs to be and evs will be much better in future
Passing off a 35 minute recharging process as a minor inconvenience 🤣
Just a few points (I work in research on the energy transition)
Obviously when buying a car you need to look at your needs but.....
- Tony not sure a TwinAir 1.2 Fiat does a million miles with is tiny little petrol tank.
- The speed of Battery degradation in the old Nissan Leaf cars was due to poor ventilation.
- The 'car battery can't be recycled' is a bit of a myth now, 95% of the material in a car battery can be recycled.
- Hydrogen is not the answer for passenger cars, it's far too energy intensive for it to be cost effective.
- Sustainable fuels are going to the preserve of people with classic cars and super cars; because the problem is scale. For example, Porsche thinks they'll be able to produce 100 million litres a year from 2028 which works out to be 630,000 barrels, the US consumes 20 million barrels per day
Why don't you get Quentin Wilson, or even better Auke Hoekstra on?
It’s not whether or not an EV battery can be recycled, it’s whether or not it’s economically viable to do so. Turns out it’s hugely expensive to pay a highly trained technician wearing PPE to pull apart an EV battery by hand and separate it out into all of its individual rare earth minerals in a process which takes several weeks. That’s why end of life EV batteries are a huge environmental problem and are being shipped to poor countries for landfill.