The NHS: A Difficult Beginning
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- BBC documentary (2008): Serving over one and a half million patients and their families every day, the NHS is the biggest service of its kind in the world. It is universally regarded as a national treasure - the most remarkable achievement of post war Britain.
Yet, surprisingly, the National Health Service very nearly did not happen at all. In the months leading to its launch it was bitterly opposed - by the Tory Party and the national press. But its most vicious and vocal opponents were the very people its existence depended on - surgeons, nurses, dentists and Britain's 20,000 doctors. To get the NHS at all required the persistence and determination of one man - Nye Bevan, Labour's minister of health.
This film tells the extraordinary story of the six months leading up to its traumatic birth.
Narrator: Imelda Staunton | Director: Ian MacMillan | Producer: Mark Hayhurst | Executive Producer for the BBC: Charlotte Moore | Executive Producer: Edmund Coulthard | Executive Producer: Grant McKee
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I live in France; last year in London I had a bad fall and my face was covered in blood. The ambulance came in seven minutes, took me to hospital, they X rayed me and gave me painkillers after confirming that my nose was not broken. I was asked my name and address. Noone asked for money, noone asked for identity papers of any sort. I love the NHS.
Thank you very much good sir
It truly is a remarkable achievement
Healthcare as a human right
ALL HAIL
nigh beven
damn, times have changed over the 10 years. Now, you'll have to walk there.
@@Akoalawithshades*of
I'm in the US and I could only dream of having a NHS. I want to be Nye Bevin.
The Tories voted against the formation of the NHS 21 times before the act was passed, including both the Second and Third reading.
They are still trying to undermine it, nasty people.
NHS; the reason that still makes Britain Great
Here here
Awww
But what about out foul language 🤣
Surly that's a candidate for our greatness along with our sarcasm lol 🤣🤪
As a boy I once heard Nye Bevan make a very powerful speech at a Labour Party rally. My Dad said he was one of the best people in the country. My Dad was right about most things.
+Mike Smith Your Dad was right once again wasn't he?
Mike Smith He’s one of the most incredible men who ever lived. How many people have been directly responsible for the saving of so many lives? ❤️
Sounds like a legend to me 🙂
Indeed he was.
We can all moan about the NHS from time to time - and then admire it for most of it is brilliant. All America should be made to watch this program.
I watched it and don't admire it.
@@spittingimageclips3485 Wealthy enough to afford private healthcare or comprehensive health insurance? Even health insurance gets more expensive as you get older and are more likely to get ill.
@@heliotropezzz333 How is that supposed to raise the esteem of the NHS in anyone's eyes? The Canadian and French way (Single Payer) is better. THE NHS only existed because of loans and free money from the USA in the 1940s, which incentivized unwise actions such as creating the NHS. It will fail eventually if not radically changed soon.
@@californiaslastgasp6847 Thanks very much for the loans. We took the bombs in the cause of world defence. Not a single hospital in London was untouched by the bombs. I understand the loans have been paid back since. I don't need to raise the esteem of the NHS. It's well thought of around the world and is highly ranked in world health systems. It will only fail if the Tories want it to - just like Trump is working to make 'Obamacare fail because he couldn't get it overturned legally.
@@heliotropezzz333 No, you took the bombs in the hopes the USA would save you. There should be a monument to the Emperor of Japan in London because the Pearl Harbor attacks saved the UK by getting us involved.
Thank you Mr.Bevan. You treally made a valuable contribution to people's health. Once again THANK YOU. Rest in peace. Your duty done.
Nye Bevan should be saint Beven, one of the most enlightened & righteous men our country has ever produced.
Yes he should!
He was welsh.
@@noobgamer91613 so? Bevan was a great man
@@al.b7520 not saying he wasn't...if it wasn't for him I'd probably be in more difficult times in my life...he started the nhs which i can't thank him enough for...i rely on the nhs because im disabled and need it more than the normal person...i was just stating that he was welsh, not that it even matters....why take everything offensive for...
@@noobgamer91613 I wasn't taking offence , it was a more of a confused 'so?' than anything else . Thanks for explaining . The NHS sure is a wonderful thing :)
Nye Bevan is a hero. every British citizen should be proud of him.
Not really. He's given us the worst healthcare system in the Western world.
@@richardparker7157he did nothing of the sort, and without him the others wouldn't have gotten underway as the NHS brought a sea change in mentality, we just needed to keep to the blueprint.
I think, apart from Bevan, the British people should be commended for the success of NHS by rallying behind him - and therefore deserved the benefits of NHS.
Amen
NHS can strive but people need to start caring more about it. I am sometimes told it is not my money when I refuse to buy over priced stationery and equipment. A ream of paper cost four times more buying from NHS supplier. I try to make people understand that we all need to care but it's difficult to debunk that it's them not us. Too many non clinical staff having too much power like the discharge coordinators who tell the doctors it's not their job to help with ordering equipment, etc. They just bully everybody and grab glory.
So glad I found this video. I had heard of the terrific fight that Nye Bevan had had with the Tories and the doctors, but had never seen such a documentary covering all details. I was told how Bevan had won over the doctors by "Filling their mouths with gold". To my mind, a sentence filled with the contempt rightly earned by all who opposed the birth of the NHS.
I've seen a lot of headlines in the papers and in the news about how the NHS is crashing. It's a shame too because the NHS is one of the UK's biggest successes (or at least it was).
As a paramedic student, I can inform you that it isn't crashing. Emergency care is the only area facing an actual crisis. This is largely down to a lack of funding towards mental health services and a abuse of the service by drunks. Without these two factors, we would be able to run it quite smoothly!
Regardless though, you'll always have demands to improve the service, but thats how things will always be.
Because of Cameron and the eu
@@tou7331 the EU helped the NHS
The NHS is Labours baby so naturally the Tories berate it. Tories can afford private healthcare. The NHS is here to stay!
Kit Magee Not all of them, could. I went to school with one boy who became a Tory politician (Kent Polices current Crime Commissioner) & his father was an ordinary policeman, nothing senior, like a chief, just a Sergeant.
His house was smaller than mine & my parents worked in the city & voted Labour.
I know a Tory councillor who isn’t rich & affluent, but quite modest.
The current Tories, are the elite, rich boys & girls.
The John Major-era Tory Party, had many MPs in that party, coming from ordinary backgrounds, including Major himself & fewer of the Johnson-types.
@Mark Gable ur an idiot
@@Mulberry2000 At least he can spell basic words. Less of an idiot than you.
@@Mulberry2000 That's 4 fingers pointing back at you. You don't even know how to spell the word - you're. You should have finished high school.
@@Anthony_in_Bloomington_Indiana Lol groan, groan, groan - bog off sherlock and fly the american flag in lock down. Go mixing and say covid 19 is not real. The idiots on here cannot even tell the difference between ur and your lol. It's the internet guys, get back to spelling color instead of colour, oh no its labor instead of labour lol. Remember this america is a superpower but GOD IS AN ENGLISHMAN.
Thanks. Terrific overview with well articulated and excellent explain action of the factors leading to the Establishment of the NHS.
Our country's finest hour. I'm incredibly proud that as a Brit and labour man that it was achieved. We wouldn't be who or where we are a country or individuals without it. Fight to keep this fine achievement.
Watching this on their birthday and in the middle of a pandemic and without them I dread to think as they were the frontline workers and were stretched to the limits the NHS are hero’s
❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ you NHS! You are THE BEST! After coronavirus, I hope everyone will appreciate just how lucky we are to have you. 😍
Yep their true hero’s
The point is you don't know what it would be like because there hasn't really been any alternative. I took my mum to Belgium, she saw a specialist the next day ! And is now on medication, and has been more or less cured, so instead of suffering till August she is now OK. So terrific system the NHS...
There is a statue of Nye Bevan in Cardiff city centre but I doubt that many people give it a glance when passing and many more know nothing of the man. Had he been a catholic he would have been made a saint. Nye Bevan was a childhood political hero of mine and I still revere his memory.
What an absolutely amazing documentary. As an American I can only hope that some day we will have our own NHS. So many of us Americans suffer financially and go into bankruptcy because we cannot afford medical insurance and treatment. I've never understood why people put themselves in harm's way to migrate here. It's quite baffling. Not even our homeless population get free medical. 😢💔🇺🇸
a two tiered system embeds privilege, classism and inequality, I suggest you think through the full implications of what you suggest unless of course you believe some people deserve a better life simply for the accident of birth of being born rich.
God bless Sir Aneurin Bevan and God Bless our NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE! BORIS CAN DO WHATEVER HE WANTS TO BUT THE NHS IS GOING TO STAY!
Wonderful story. So important to-day, too. Thank you.
Thanks for sharing it helps me to review my classes
Medicare 4 All is the great, pressing need in the US today. There is a great deal of discussion about it, for and against. I'm sharing this with my friends to help them gain some perspective. It's a fantastic idea and it is quite possible if we don't screw it up. It is a real shame to see what the tories have done to the NHS in recent years. They should be ashamed of themselves.
It's a great idea
If it wasn't so expensive it would be awesome
But from the British point of view it isn't a system that supports healthcare as a human right
not a variable level of healthcare Vs bank balance Vs level of state aid
But for me the biggest problem is that while there are so many parties nobody is ordering in mega sized bulk pharma
If they all ordered through the government as a single entity importer
the price would fall massively it's cheap to do and would save a lot of money year on year
But while it's so expensive to buy the healthcare the issue being it's also expensive on the taxpayer
I'm not against it too much because you have some extremely good infrastructure that is above and beyond
But it's not working as a fine tuned machine
Unfortunately I highly doubt America could do it now given how much power the doctors hospitals insurance company's and the Pharma have
All the best
one thing that i'm envy the brittish is the NHS. you have the oldest and the best health care system that would envy the world. and what's more incredible is that you manage to do it when the country was nearly bankrupt. so kudos to you brits . and please don't loose it 🙏 and fight for it. NHS it's your proudest acomplisment
The country was not bankrupt that was a myth. It was short of foreign reserves ie the dollar and gold though. The UK had the second most popular reserve currency in the world £ and that was a great advantage.
You can put fuel prices up you do lots of other things to us Brits and possibly get away with it
TOUCH OUR NHS AND WATCH THE FASTEST GOVERNMENT EVICTION IN HISTORY
All beginnings can be difficult but you have to start somewhere?
Some of the claims made by the Tories included that the introdustion of an NHS was akin to "Hitlerian coercion", "first step to turn Britain into a National Socialist economy" are so harsh as to make GOP look restrained.
To say that in 1946 must have been almost unbelievably emotive what an insult.
I learnt a great deal from this and to help the nhs carry on is by selfhelping yourself by keeping fit
Thank goodness Clem Atlee backed Bevan.
In these days there is a great debate about whether the US should adopt a NHS style service. Perhaps we would need a leader like Bevan to push it through. Congrats to the UK for this great success!
I'm from the UK, living in the USA and I hope you hardworking bastards do get it. You deserve it. That's the LEAST your country should provide you with is free healthcare
Because the existing health providers use the coercion of the government to eradicate/minimize competition.
When going to a public clinic it is completely different. Here there is a shortage of doctors and you have to wait in line to see someone. I broke my arm once and literally waited three days before someone attended to me. Even going to a walk in I have waited 8 hours to see someone. Plus some of the staff are rude and a lot don't really care since you are just another number to them. Sure there is no direct cost for this but id almost rather pay a fee if I can get attention immediately.
Such an inspiring man!
+Sujata Gurung Who?
+Reticence9 Probably Nye Bevan, the man who started the NHS in 1948.
Every nation needs to do this!
Very good!
Nationalized health care is ideal. I say this as a pro-capitalism American. All citizens of wealthy states like Britain and America should be afforded a house, food, and health care. That is only fair. Anything beyond that is up to your work ethic, talent, and skill set.
For the most part I agree. Although I might suggest also including elderly care and basic education. I just prefer living in country in which everyone is literate.
+Speegs23 Capitalism doesn't work if the workforce are sick, malnourished and have no home!
Speegs23 and not enough of it will be produced if the workers are poor and sick
I agree. There isn't an idea more fair than: let all start off equal (Equality of opportunity). What you must ensure though is that this base minimum remains exactly that. It should never transform into luxuries because all you'll have is a population of lazy and entitled individuals.
Infact it should be as basic as possible: enough food to last, as small a house as necessary, basic healthcare - because to ensure growth and innovation, competition should be a driving factor for the economy.
Basically socialism can take over those in dire circumstances and capitalism can take over thereafter.
However, practically it would be near impossible to execute.
@@alexandermcewen3440 We are all literate in England thanks.
The start of this documentary was shocking :'O
Bless.
I think we have more of an entrepreneur spirit here and most people have no issue with others accumulating wealth for themselves. It also means you can afford to give more to the people that need help. I think in a free society you should at least have a choice. After all we have private schools, farms, grocery shops, cars, insurance, electricity, water, gas, oil, and etc. The free market seems to deliver these things at low costs. So why can't we allow privately administered healthcare?
I think some reforms should be made in allowing private health providers. Things have changed since the 1950's and people have more wealth now and are willing to pay more in order to receive better treatment. Plus it would free up the public system and would create competition between the two to deliver better services. The private practices could be taxed then that money can go to the public system. As of right now healthcare is bankrupting the country and it should be made more sustainable.
Interesting documentary. I live in Canada and we too have universal health care. Not everything is covered though as dental and optometry are not. Which is interesting comparing between receiving services from a dentist vs.a public health professional. Personally I find going to a dentist is more pleasant. There are more around and you have greater selection of who you want to see. If you don't like him you can take your money elsewhere. So there is incentive for them to keep you happy.
We still have private opticians and dental services are mostly private now with only a few things covered by the NHS. Anyone under 18 or pregnant women get free dental care and a few other qualifiyers
very interesting
from here on out I stan Nye Bevan :')
About the end of the video and the illnes of many patiets, "heavy work is the sum of light work that we did not do on time.
Watching this as a person from the USA I notice how hard it will be to get universal health care in the USA. Britain had the same arguments that the USA has now over health care.
exactly
You will get it, one day & that will be alot sooner, than you think.
I don't know how forcing someone to pay for something at gun point is an inalienable trait of a civilized country. And it's a monopoly because as one has no other option but to fund it.
I advocate for a free market because I believe people have a right to be able to choose over something as important as health care.
Plus the competition in a free market demands the highest standard for the lowest cost
yeah
The reason why private health is so expensive in places like America is, again, because it is corporatised. Why is a Veterinary surgeon payed a fraction of the cost despite the same skill level? Because pet health care is exempt from government regulation which enables doctors to keep prices up.
I’m American and a few years ago , I had to spend a weekend in the hospital My insurance through work covered all of it. $60,000!!!! I can’t imagine what I would have done if I didn’t have that coverage
I have friends in the UK who admit they moan about the NHS sometimes but they would never go without it !
I still don't know why after all these years the US refuses to have universal health care, it's absolutely criminal for hospitals in this day and age to put a price on a human life.
@@AdamTheMan1993 Because it's "communist"
@MrRobertJameson I don't know offhand, if you need to know there is this thing called the internet which has lots of information on it, it's quite easy to have access to as you are using it right now to read this.
Back here on the NHS' 75th anniversary
Profit driven healthcare is typically more efficient, and stimulates medical innovation that is restricted in places like the UK due to a limited budget and competition with the centralized health provider being prohibited.
I do not agree that the UK government manages health care in the best possible way. No one can practically determine how funding should be distributed due to an insufficiency of comprehension regarding the intricate and rapidly changing nature of the economy.
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piss off if you do not live in UK. You have no right to talk about the NHS.
Nye Beven is greatest British person of all time.
According to me.
this is interesting
@MrRobertJameson As it was stomach cancer there would be considerable pain by stage 3, yes. I'm not sure what your point is?
So the only way to keep health care costs down is to give one healthcare provider (the NHS) a monopoly over health care?...
All the free market means is cooperation without violence.
I can't stress this enough to you: A free market in health care does not exist anywhere in the current world so I fail to see where you can make comparisons with the free market.
I'll watch both of these videos and get back to you. Are they both on CZcams?
Yes my nan helped campaign for this 😆
amy clarke your nan was busy improving the world for you before you were even born. Isn’t that wonderful. ❤️
Amazing people we have/had in this fine country bet you proud as punch
@@madyottoyotto3055 yes thank you
@@madyottoyotto3055 Yes
brillianrt
this film documents what healthcare was like under a 'true free market' if we were to do that millions would suffer
Now the world can see the NHS at its best, be proud Brits.
Judging by 'peeweecx' and its comments, Thatcher is clearly alive and well. Total delusion. Rick B, I wholeheartedly agree with you, sir.
Also can you state whether you or associates are employed or retained by any health provider or associated companies (PR, online intelligence etc) or receive any remuneration from a private health provider, associated companies or a lobbying or political group or party that advocates on health issues.
Besides, food and cloths are a lot cheaper today than they were back yet that's nothing to do with them being socialized.
I actually do believe that this documentary should be televised on a regular basis. I had obviously missed it first time around. People need to be reminded of the history of the NHS, the massive and unselfish efforts for the benefits to the British public that we all enjoy to this day. And it reminds me of the reason, (if for that reason only), I have always voted for the Labour party.
me too!
This is a great documentary and it really shows what goes behind what it takes to create a decent healthcare system. That being said, it would have been nice to see a mention of William Beveridge, without whose famous report the nhs wouldn't have been possible.
Nothing is free, especially not government-run health care. Tell me about self-dentistry there in the long wait times of England.
God Bless Nye Bevan his only real success the NHS
The problem is that these are not really privatisations. They are PPP's where the govt is still sticking its nose in. If you have true privatisation where companies are really competing on a free platform then the customer is King and costs always come down. The govt privatises these things but imposes strict rules on what they have to do, that is not privatisation.
Do McDonalds put their prices up all the time? Would you say FedEx or UPS or DHL are better than the post office?
Do you have an example of a country with a free market health care?
Most people would say the US.
However this is a common misconception. The US does not have a free market in health care; the US has a corporate market in health care i.e. private health companies use government regulation to keep out competition and keep up high prices.
Without government regulations, competition would dictate the price of health care to be brought down.
Don't take the NHS for granted. Its founding idea is that the state has a duty to provide healthcare to the population whether rich or poor. Well, on 27 March 2012, that duty was scrapped by the 'Health and Social Care Act'.
US private healthcare companies have been stealthily redesigning the NHS for the last 2 decades in complicity with government, and this year's law is intended as the final push to get rid of the NHS.
The 20 October TUC march is one important way to protest against that.
When the UK set up NHS in 1948, was it said that there were a few other countries that had already set up government run health care systems for the UK to use as a model???
(I have to fill out a worksheet on this for school) :)
I'm sure there was examples they looked at but to date there are four on same level as the UK have don't know the history with them tho
New Zealand’s universal healthcare service was set up during the term of Michael Joseph Savage (1935-40), before the British implemented their NHS.
Lol! John Mullen. Are you my uni lecturer?
The horrible thing is the hierarchy complex still exists within the medical profession
and of corse, one person is not sick all the time. his or her taxes or national insurance pays throughout for all.
Discuss the NHS online at nhsforums.com/
It's like you're spouting out of a textbook.
I hate it when people slag the NHS off, there is still private health care, If you don't like it and want more then pay. Otherwise shut up with & be greatful for what we have, a FREE health service for the poorest members of society to the richest. Everyone is cared for equally no matter of earnings and the tories are taking this from us. I personally thought Nye's speech about "hating the tories" was wonderful.There are few politicians like him left,you can't tell red from blue anymore sadly.
Birth of NHS, a great documentary
Another way to introduce competition would be to switch from having general all around funding to a voucher based system. The best way to transition to affordable healthcare (which we don't have) is to gradually allow for private groups to take over things such as mutual aid and insurance.
Ultimately, what the NHS really comes down to is a national mutual aid group. It is ironic that Bevan got his inspiration from perfectly functional private organisations which work freely and allow for choice
Happening
No Beveridge Report? This was a very good X evil storytelling. Even the tone of the narrator changes when speaking about this or that.
Only way?
At 45:00 what does he mean buy folks off? He says superior doctors pay double ? What does he mean ? Like they get double salary?
Even if the head doctors need to decide who gets paid more or less it is too corrupt bc surely u want to help ur friends. There is no objective way to measure production based on their system.
Bevan let senior doctors (called consultants) decide amongst themselves who should get greater pay based on seniority. This reduced their opposition to the NHS but also challenged them not to simply reward themselves and appear as corrupt. The government wold not dictate their pay structure they would decide it, so they would also get any blame for it being dishonest. Their output of course is measured by many systems so they very quickly would be exposed if their expertise was not actually producing good results.
Petehall1985; yes, exactly! It makes us a civilised nation.
I'm not criticizing you at all, I agree 7900 quid for some x-rays, casts, medication, etc. is ridiculous. But wouldn't it be prudent to get travelers health insurance? Is it even available in the UK? Many people who vacation in the US from Canada buy travelers insurance.
doing this for a school project lol
Avis Hutt should be given a medal.
I would say most people are not born into wealth. I come from a poor family myself yet now I would probably be considered upper middle class. I simply work hard and set goals for myself and put money aside. I think the fruit of your labour should go to yourself. If you work hard and save your money then why shouldn't you have a better standard of living? That doesn't mean everyone else should be abandoned it just means I might have more than some people do.
"there's no danger the National Health Service will break down"
Conservative Party:Hold my Austerity and chronic mismanagement, dodgy contracts and nepotism
Don't forget selling it off to the highest bidder!
Please watch #SellOff
This film is radical. With over a dozen NHS insiders as my witnesses, I will tell the alarming story of how the health service as we know it is being quietly abolished. Almost without our noticing, it’s been replaced by a system modelled on the US in which care is delivered by profit-maximising companies that charge patients for treatment which is anyway to be restricted and reduced. One medical reporter the filmmaker knows claims that health reporting today is so poor because few journalists have real sources inside the NHS. Well, this film will have a riot of medical sources - including one professor, two consultant radiologists, a cancer expert, a public interest lawyer, and several outspoken GPs. What they all have to say will be shocking, unusual and brave. Our doctors will really strike back in this one.
Sell-Off - The Full Movie
What's the song at 14:03?
Darude Sandstorm
+Augustinas Kubilius Hahaha Cool trollin' bro.
But we don't need government to provide 99% of services so why is this the case with health care?
Surely though, if one doesn't want a certain service, one should be able to opt out and not be coerced into something other people feel is necessary.
Would you accept this in any other context? would you accept if Tesco, say, put a gun to your head and forced you to pay for it's products and services?
The NHS is the biggest supplier of health care in the UK but that does not make it a monopoly supplier. Do YOU have an example of a country with a free market health care? No? Then ask the question why? Answer because no Nation calling itself civilised can have a heath care system based on the ability to pay alone leaving millions without proper medical cover because they cannot afford it. Example UK before the NHS don't tell me about charity hospitals etc c compared to the NHS they were crap
7:23
You can either work somewhere with employee benefits, get your own insurance, or pay the dentists directly. If not then I guess your teeth will rot. I didn't have money to pay my dentist once before so he just let me make payments to pay him back. If dentists were part of the public system your teeth would rot probably before you would even get to see one.
I ewally wish they would not keep referring to the NHS as a "Free" service,it is NOT free and NEVER has been.Those here who have stated they would prefer a prepay or insurance based system should look to the USA for a prime example of how not to provide healthcare.Insurers will not provide cover for anyone with a pre existing conditons,for them to profit they aim to get out of paying any claims they receive the last thing they want to do is pay out.
So why is the American system far more expensive then?
lots of admin costs, too many needless operations, like going in for a broken leg and then giving u heart surgery etc.
High admin cost, no price negotiations or regulations for drugs and high premiums