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- WARNING SPOILERS FOR OWL HOUSE, AMPHIBIA, GRAVITY FALLS
also here's some time stamps for each villain.
Emperor Belos 0:47
King Andrias 11:12
Bill cipher 20:10 - Krátké a kreslené filmy
I think Bill’s presence is even stronger considering how much of an icon he’s become despite the few episodes he was given
Bill should’ve gotten at least a 4/5 in character design.
He’s VERY recognizable, has a triangular appearance like the all-seeing Illuminati which is extremely fitting, can shape shift in different forms to convey different emotions, and is generally mysterious from the moment you first see him. He’s literally an icon from start to finish
5/5
Nice I was going to destroy you galaxy
Yeah but just cuz he's an Icon can't shoot you up to the top
He was pretty much everywhere in the show if you look at things like some of the windows in the mystery shack, or the portal in its basement. They were clearly made to resemble him in some way.
The saddest part about Belos is that in Gravesfield he is still basically considerd a fairy tale hero meaning that without even knowing he basically already had everything he wanted to a degree but because he never botherd to find out he ended upp dying in the place he hated and by a fellow human after rolling a 0 on his charisma. The only saving grace for him is that the rest of humanity will never know that he turned himself into a monster that is basically everything his brother and to some extent himself hated.
yeah belos would definitely get A LOT of hate if humanity found out what he did.
@@bearwithme5669wdym genocide is really respectable!
@@unknownturtle7736 👆
@joe_mama100 as a fellow Joe mama I speak on behalf of all of us when I say genocide is ngl... kinda cringe
@@jonathanyomamathan2089 dude I just eliminated 3 races earlier today so that was very insulting to me
Bill Cipher:
Says he's happy, he's a liar.
Andrias:
1000 years of hating himself.
Belos:
Thinks he's protecting humans from evil, when he is evil
Belos is a far bigger threat to humanity then the witches: the human realm he grew up in is very different than the modern one. He would probably hate it and become obsessed with changing it back to how it was in his day, probably through extreme violence and a hostile takeover.
Belos is one of those: you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain
Bill has spent 1000’s upon 1000’s of years ruling the nightmare realm plotting his escape
@@shaybrodie8957destroying his own planet is pretty mysterious, in the sense that he could have done it out of anger, sadness, or the axolotl is lying and he feels nothing
This can also explain way he wants to make a enternal party with monsters, it could remind him of his home. With the
@@Bongosbinted420it wasn’t his planet he destroyed his own multiverse
For bill his conclusion was also really good in the sense that there was the whole real life thing where you had to find his statue
And it is kinda nice that this almighty demon is now just a powerless statue
@@breaderikthegreat3224don’t forget that when bill leaves his body it turns into a statue so that means that he’s still out there. Outside his body though
Definitely a 6/5 for that one
@@plushytail-homesea9177people are saying its the bird because after his death the bird basically went to most places resembling bill (statue, triangular window) stuff like that
Personally i like Belos human design exactly due to how ordinary it is.
The interesting part about Belos is that while he is now a monster, he was initially just an human. Giving him an ordinary look works because it rapresent how he is not some kind of cartoony villain or a monstrous demon that's born that way. He is just a regular person like many, anyone could have been Belos. That also give him an element of realism. Obviously his power and actions are not realistic in the slightes, but his motivations and mindset are pretty realistic and it's not impossible that a real evil person in a similar situation could make the same things, so having him look like a regual human help giving the impression that he is really anyone special, anyone could be Belos.
How bills cipher dies is so cool😎😎😎
@@user-vu6wk6sl4m He’s not dead
@@user-lx3qt8zg5f He is dead, he can just come back.
@@muntu1221 ya so he’s not dead
@@user-lx3qt8zg5f He is dead as long as his last spell hasn't gone into effect yet. He's not the first dead thing in fiction to set up a way to come back, that doesn't mean they aren't dead in the mean time.
The third place is a king, the second place is an emperor and the first place is a god
its very fitting.
Its not even surprising here. Andrias is a redeemable villain compared to the other two. He felt betrayed by his friends and went rogue. When the truth comes out on why in her written letter he then comes back and becomes better. Probably felt guilty as much in the finale with the interaction with Marcy’s farewell
@@bearwithme5669Aren’t kings and emperors technically supposed to be the same thing?
@@damainortiztechnically yes job wise but emperors have to be ruling over an empire(a nation that consists of multiple other states and or republics ruled by one person) to be called an emperor
Thabks for spoiling the video douchebag
I like how real of a villain Belos is what makes him strong. His beliefs are bigoted, he hides them in order to manipulate the public. Something very true to real life, both in the past and present.
Another thing that feels real is how he abuses and manipulates Hunter. Belos doesn’t constantly hit Hunter all the time, he knows when to dial it back and be “nice” to him. Which makes Hunter trust him and want his approval
BRO YOU WATCH TOTAL DRAMA TOO or did you just find that profile pic online bcuz that is the henchmen of a really annoying person in the last season
I think Bill Cipher is the character that more apears, he apears at the intro in EVERY SINGLE EPISODE and the show is full of triangles with one eye. THAT'S foreshadowing.
He also just completely takes over the intro in the last 4 episodes
@@Decidueoh yeah lol
These were truly the best villains to come out of Disney in the last decade.
I will never forget The Floating Dorito Shaped Outer God, The Cybernetic Battle Newt, and Hitler for Witches.
nah, Belos puts Hitler to shame
@@glyph__Dorito Satan beats them all though
cheesy dorito
"It's funny how *dumb* you are" -Bill cipher
I would also include Toffee ngl
What I like about Bill the most is that his powers do seem incredibly limited and so endless at the same time as without a physical form it requires him to make deals
Even in his physical form he can't read minds unless you willingly let him, what is great too is the fact that according to the Simpsons he was Jesus, the Monkey King, and Loki meaning he manipulated 2 entirely different groups of people to indirectly worship him
Nah bill can read minds whenever he wants he already knew what Mabel was thinking when he first met and predicted the future for dipper I think it’s just some inconsistency or the fact of how cocky bill was
@@KingAkuThe1st he only did that with Mabel while they were all inside a mind he was invading already, and he just predicted Dipper screaming because he saw it coming
@@uncroppedsoop that’s not a good excuse he makes it clear he can see the future and read minds not cause of the mindscape Alex isn’t dum he’s obviously specifying bill can do that
@@KingAkuThe1st he can't see the future or he would've literally never been surprised or bested, he never claims to be able to either, and I said nothing about the mindscape, I said he was literally IN a MIND, which others also came inside of, making them a part of it that he could read
@@uncroppedsoop like I said before it’s just inconsistency Alex isn’t dum and obviously means he can do both those things stop using he was inside the mind trope that literally means nothing and is just a false excuse
I mostly agree with this video's points. But in ''effects on the protagonist'' part for Andrias' entry, you forgot to mention one thing. Anne's terror over telling her parents that she indirectly helped an interdimensional tyrant get an opportunity to invade the entire multiverse, and the fact that a mercenary robot is literally trying to kill her... And that revelation goes HARD! All the things Anne's family believed about her, their thoughts on how mature she's become, all that crashing down just because of this. The entire first part of season 3A hinges at that and the ''finale'' for this arc is amazing. Anne-sterminator is genuinely a phenomenal episode.
100% agree. I defiantly should of included that. Man I love the dynamic between Anne and her parents. her parents are so wholesome
I like how bill seems like another one monster at first, like in every episode, then you see him again and your like “oh him again?” And he keeps coming back
And then the next time you see him your hyped for what shenanigans he’s gonna do next
and then he takes over the world.
and then you find out that he can)t take over more than the town.
Belos killed his own brother, used charisma and intelligence alone to take over an entire island's political world, cementing himself as the emperor that no one questions for 50 years while simultaneously poisoning the memory of the days before his reign until everyone unanimously knows it as the dark ages, manipulates a god into giving him real power, becomes the strongest witch in the boiling isles despite being human through intricate knowledge of glyphs that he developed against the will of the Titan who was actively hiding the knowledge from him, raised hundreds of clones to do his bidding while having a hold on everyone around him to the point they would do basically anything to serve him, very nearly succeeded in literal genocide before being undone by the aforementioned god, survived being smited, possessed the latest of the aforementioned clones, re-opened the portal to the demon realm, and possessed the entirety of the isles to "cleanse this perdition himself". I didn't even get into the things he didn't personally do.
Indirectly, he has an entire coven that basically serves as his personal military that enforces his will, including enforcing restrictions on magic, arresting anyone who protests or goes against the system (including children) or even strays from social norms, endangering a species of wood known to create sentient beings, hunting down peaceful creatures for plans they don't know the details of, practically holding a school hostage so they can manipulate them into taking sigils against their wills. They do this without question to his motives. He has Hunter hunt down stray palismen so he can consume them, literally sends him on missions collecting the very resources that will create his replacement, which include killing innocent creatures. He has an interest in defacing an ancient graveyard for the Galdorstones so he can make more grimwalkers (presumably with magic). Like, these things hardly scratch the surface of what he does. Hell, what the show gives us likely doesn't even get to the truly vile things he did to get to where he was concluding S2. Personally, I would count the actions of those following his orders as his own actions, and through all of that, he gets a 2/5???? I feel like completely reshaping a world in your image while indoctrinating an entire species to work towards their own extinction constitutes more than a 2/5, and given how little Andreas did in comparison and getting a 4/5 is just downright insulting.
ehhh, he did say it was probably biased, but then like,
say it right away, and not at the end of the video?
i feel like this vid is underinformed, as well as subtle engagement bait. he does glancingly say that it's his own made up criteria, which he judges himself, but that's it.
i've long learned to discern red flags in videos like these, so without even knowing any of the villains listed, i knew it was gonna be biased.
Bill Cipher is a demon though
And even after his death, they still tried to continue his legacy
I want to say that the most terrifying part of Belos is not his powers. Its his charisma. His ability to get people to join his cause while thinking that what they are doing is in the right. to genuinely convince his followers that they are on the side of good. While yes there were some people who saw his evil intentions but just did not care and followed him anyways. Belos was good enough with twisting his words to his benefit that he even got Luz to willingly help him with his plans and mentally screwing with her. Luz eventually saw through the façade, but it was too late. Belos already got what he needed out of her. He done so much damage to countless lives with words alone.
When Belos revealed his blue eye, me and my brothers all shouted “It’s Sans!”
😆😆😆😆
Personally, I'd like to ad some of my own ratings for Belos and Bill
While I won't change the rating, I give more credit to his face reveal.
When we are first introduced to him without it, I instantly felt a "yes he's evil but he really cares for his nephew" vibe, leading into that role of deception to not just Hunter but even me.
His personality, while evil and plainly obvious, shows a lot of character and emotion through out, not to mention how easily believable he can change his personality whether it'd be for that of manipulation or geniune emotion, so for personality alone 4/5 - 5/5
Motive brings it down a bit, for me, to 3/5 but beliefs are really great. While he is indeed evil, you do understand how he got towhere he was, not to mention his love-hate relationship with his brother and his refusing to change for the better just makes him so much more to fun to despise, so, again, 4/5 - 5/5
(I know I say 4/5-5/5 but I really can't decide where to put them)
Personally, i'd put him at 4/5 here
Actions, i'd say, deserve much higher, to 4/5
We, as the audience, really do know of what he's done and his cruelty for mental destruction is just straight evil. He literally kills his brother (to him at least) over and over and over again, likely out of both love and hate, yet even then he still see's them as just tools. He literally manipulated Hunter into getting the titan's blood in such a genius way it felt like something out of Death Note. All of that and more and putting him at 2/5 feels like an insult, atleast to me.
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Again, not changing the rating, but when you think about it, Bill is a very unique villain. While seemingly at first a 1 dimensional villain, even when taking away his past he's very different from most villains; he's a main villain who's actions are far more bizarre than possibly any villain in media, especially in a morbid sense, which really ads to the surpisingly fun comedic side he has.
His motive is also quite unique. Instead of a a revenge quest of sorts or to be satisfied with his goals into fruition or just winning a generic sense of just being evil, he literally just start Armeggedon just to party. That is quite comedic to think about in it's own rights when ignoring his past, which also builds on his comedic adn extroverted personality
The fact that even without his sense of forshadowing or knoweledge of what he originally wants he still stays not only unique but fun is qute impressive. That said, the details we're given just add a whole new dimension to it.
Heh, dimension.
Bill's apearance bumps up to 4/5 for me.
While it is indeed basic, it does still lead to a lot of creativity.
Personally, though, his more nightmarish form in the finale is really great and disturbing, which is why i'm a bit disapointed it wasn't
His simple design leads to it being really easy to remember and iconic, to the point where if anyone who knows who he is and see's a triangle with an eye in it we instantly think Bill.
(Fun fact, in GF lore HE inspired the Eye of Provenence through-out history so that really ads a lore to the fun design)
Presence, for me, bumps up to 4/5 at least. Even if we get rid of the zodiac in the op and just see as Bill as a sort of side antagonist alone, we still do see signs of him through the entire show from the beginning, which would only solidfy why I think, even if he was a side character, he'd still be a favorite to many.
Not to mention being presented in other shows/media while still adding lore, connecting so many series together, could potentially bumb it up a point.
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Overall, they both bump up to the 30s, Belos right on 30 with Bill being 31.
I'm not biased with the ratings but out of all the Disney media, with movies and shows, they are both my favorite antagonists of Disney.
One being a complete monster, both mentally and physically, who's INCREDIBLY fleshed out, the other who's sense of mystery rivals his iconism and comedy.
All three are equal in their own rights but I see Andrias as more of the sort of side villain or the other half of the side due to the Core being presented as well. I just like Bill and Belos so much not only their histories and motives but also just how so much character oozes out of them, one of them quite literally, practically giving off a physical presence of emotions.
Not to mention, when it comes to them both, Belos still has a past i'd like to explore, since it still has a mystery to it, like his very early life and evolution when growing up in Gravesfield, and Bill literally cannot escape medias and entertainment: from having being presented in other shows to the creator of the show practically personifying Bill to even his "affect" in the real world (in the sense of how we practically draw imagery of him not just online but also as graffiti and urban art, to his supposed lore he's connected to, to his corpse that started a world-wide hunt for him while also technically meaning that the events are supposed to be seen as a sort of ironic "based on a true story" vibe).
It's those extra additions that really solidify my love for both these characters.
I love Belos as a character not just because he's a villain but because he feels like a real person manipulated to believing in what he believes and how dickish and petty he is, alot like a Disney DIO, sort of.
I love Bill not just because he's funny but because he also has a completely hidden surface to him until shown to us, as well as his overwhelming mystery that stays with you for years on end.
Basically, these are why I personally wanted to add up some points. Maybe it's bias but it's because of those reasons.
Wow Bro you could of made a better video essay on this then me. I fully agree with pretty much everything you said. I probably should of talked more about Belos face reveal because as you said it is used very effectively against hunter. I just wanted to save time and was kind of being lazy. But wow thanks for taking the time to type this all up it was a interesting read.
@@bearwithme5669 No, you did pretty good yourself
I was just voicing my own thoughts
You brought up some really great points, too
This is the longest comment
Uhh how much time?
You have great points right here. I agree with both you, and he who made the video. Both of you have really good points!!
I’d argue that Andreas isn’t the villain of Amphibia, and that the core is the true villain because the core manipulated Andreas into doing stuff he didn’t truly want to do, and eventually he stood up for himself, and did the right thing, and found redemption, while the core was destroyed for its evil
I agree but i did a poll on my channel on which villains to compare and the core lost.
Eh, I'd say there is a difference between the main antagonist and the main villain. A character can be both, but there is typically only really one main antagonist (for example, jack Horner and Death are both antagonists, but Horner is the main villain, and Death is the main antagonist).
I think the same principle applies with Amphibia, as the core serves as the main villain and Andrias serves as the main antagonist, based on how each character affects the main cast and how they themselves develop through the show.
@@bearwithme5669that's not really a good way to decide
Bill is always so cheerful that it's scary
For example when he started singing "we'll meet again" I knew something bad was about to happen
We can all agree bill cipher is the best
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Everybody gangsta until the nowhere king rolls in
Don’t laugh at me. But who is that.
@@meltingfire4736hes another really sad villain in centaur world I think
@@meltingfire4736an incredible villain who had the misfortune of being trapped inside a pretty mid show
@@HenriqueLSilvaI never could get into watching centaur world, but the actually story behind all the kid friendly adventures is incredible, sad, and terrifying at the same time.
only good thing about centaur world tbh
I think there is a little bias but I would agree on the order.
Belos had an even more profound affect on Luz as she thought Philip would be the one to save her, without knowing he would wound up as Emperor Belos.
Personally I feel like manipulating others to carry out evil acts in your name is even worse than just doing it yourself. I would attribute all the worst things that characters like Lilith and Hunter did directly to Belos. Also, killing Flapjack was even worse than you made it out to be. Belos didn't just do it, he used Hunter's own hands to kill his first and best friend. I would have given Belos a slight edge over Bill as a villain.
Finally, of course Bill reincarnated. He woke up after hatching from an egg in the demon realm and is slowly coming back into his enormous powers!
Yeah I defiantly should of focused more on the flapjack bit. that scene is heart braking.
Not only did he kill flap he also tried to make hunter consume flaps essence.
And trapped the soul of his brothers wife inside of flapjack
@@Matiasmartinez-bo9cvas far as we know Evelyn wasn’t trapped in flapjack, flapjack was carrying out his last mission as Evelyn’s palisman to get revenge against Belos
The only reason that Belos didn’t kill Lillith was because she had to teach him the light glyph
One thing I love about belos's masked and final design is the mythological inspiration. The golden stag and wendigo (both physically traditional and modern) inspiration is so well integrated that you get a "holy royal" and almost demonic look to the respective forms.
Bear with me: "None of the other villains so deeply affect their protagonists like belos does"
Lord shen: AM I A JOKE TO YOU
true maybe i should do a part 2 with Shen in it.
Maybe do a Video with All Three Villains from each of the Kung Fu Panda Movies?
I think bill’s character Design deserves a five out of five because every time I look at the tree and it has a circle in it I immediately think of bill because of how he watched in the birch trees
I agree I think I was a little to harsh on bills design. it really stands out and is recognizable. but I put it low because I thought I was being to biased towards bill because I obviously wanted him to win.
2:39 His new form isn't draining his powers. He was so weak because he was smacked against wall and turned into a blob by Collector, and then had to use Hunter to recover at least partly. If Collector wouldn't fully destroy Belos then Belos would be able to outlast Luz and her friends even multiple times
That and the fact that Belos hasn't been able to get his grubby hands on any Palismen, heck even with the Palismen his physical form was still unstable.
Not only did Belos kill flapjack but he tried to make Hunter consume him before Hunter fought back
6:00 He was introduced the like third to last episode of season one Bill was introduced second to last episode of season one
im giving it to belos for just the coldest moment when he told kikimora to go die in a ditch that shit was hardcore villian peak
it was very hard core and also satisfying
For Effects on the protagonists you could also say for Bill that he tortures Dipper
Looking at "The Last Mabelcorn" I'm pretty sure Dipper has PTSD (And that was before Weirdmageddon)
His Manipulation of Ford too
The guilt he must feel after thinking he was doing something good
@@ellielovegood6307 let’s not forget that Native American shaman
The core keeps an eye on Andrias, literally there is an eye on his crown.
When you think about it, Bill actually connected the pines family together on PURPOSE. it my sound weird, but when you add in the factor of him making fun out of anything, I think he expected it to be more satisfying to kill a bunch of idiots who believe in the power of friendship instead of smooshing a bunch of ungrateful ones. Sadly, he royally screwed up, forgetting his power of altering time
ODALIA SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THIS LIST
Also it hurt me when he said acid rain instead of boiling rain
Odalia is two evil to be ranked. also my apologies for the acid rain bit.
Although I loved the Owl House finale, it doesn’t strike as hard as Amphibia did cause theirs no final choice for the protagonist that she has to choose between worlds, but she chooses both. The reason why Anne’s choice is powerful and sad because she had to leave and let go of her life in Amphibia or go home to her family. She chooses her family and let’s her friends go live their lives
I agree that the bitter sweet end is more interesting. it really makes the ending stick in our minds
In Thanks To Them, Belos actually killed Hunter and gravely injured Flap
The axolotle says “a different form a different time” people say as a theory he is stan but i can prove it as a fact after saying the the words to reincarnation he says “STANLEYYYY” the name of who he is going to reincarnate into and if its true he does regret destroying his demension then that explains why stanley agreed to kill him
Belos is best and darkest villain, i'd say! My abseloute favourite Disney Channel baddie! He's just so freakin Awesome! From his physical appearance to his personality. His background story is so damn intriguing as well, not to mention his evil plans....
I would say even more. Belos is the scariest cartoon Villain at all the history. Well, actually the 4th since we got Him from oryiginal Powepuff Girls, The Lich from AT, and Nowhere King from Centaur World. But since, he's the only human out of those, makes him even more scary, for becaouse if we look more at him, we would see that Belos represents all the evil of humanity itself. Witch makes sense, for everyone can be somebody like Belos, since we're all the humans with a dark souls inside.
Yes
I am SO glad you put bill as the best. I was worried you wouldn’t for a moment. Also I feel like the core should be here instead of andrias.
I kind of agree with you that the core should be here. he is definitely more of a final boss character. but I did a poll on what villains people wanted to see and the core lost to Andria's. But it was probably for the best I think Andrias is a more interesting character
@@bearwithme5669I think that the best way to refer to the Core is Them. Not because it's nonbinary, but because it's literally A HUGE COLLECTION OF GENIUSES AND LEADERS.
It also reminds me of B.R.A.I.N. from 9
@@BUnitMN-Tas seen in Marcy's possession scene, the core IS binary- in that it uses binary code.
If you don’t give bill a 45/5 in character design I will drink water
well I'm glad you get to drink water. got to stay hydrated. Hydro homie
@@bearwithme5669hydro homie is now going into my daily vocabulary
@@weirdcakes304 Hell yeah Hydro homie 👊👊👊👊
Agreed
Just for the facts that it's so iconic, versatile (animations, powers...) and fits the personality
It's not really fair for Andreias. He is not the main villain, and we do see the core appear in the opening or ending (I don't remember) of each episode
There were some theories in Season 1 saying that Bill was King. While there is some reasoning, King acts dominant but also helpful and loyal to those around him.
The thing i love about Bill is that he is NOT dead. He is still alive in Stans mind.
The letter Leif wrote to Andrias tells me that they were more than just friends I think they loved each other Andrias blushes and looked away during Leifs dance, the secret messages to each other, Andrias the frist to rush to Leif after she fell to her hands and knees after the vission, the worried look on his face, Leif crying into Andrias, Andrias the one that took her betrayl the hardest and his blushing tears in his eyes and scraming her name when she left, and Leif dubbing her self as "your Leif" and her calling him my derest Andrias and saying I wish my love will reach you. Also in the painting Andrias and Leif are looking at eachother and there is a art that Matt Braly did Andrias Berral and Leif are back together and they are on his sholders and Andrias and Leif are looking at eachother.
There was and still is something more than just friendship between Andrias and Leif.
Belos is like Wallace Breen from half-life 2. Even though he is only seen for a short time, his presence is felt throughout the whole series. Also they live in a huge tower, have masked guards and are basically a right wing force
Belos’ actions include mass murder as Phillip, fraud and defamation of the titan and the owl lady, attempted murder, attempted genoside twice, manipulated of Luz causing her to help him find the collector, mass property damage, assault of 6 minors and more in crimes atleast and he still gives belos a 2.
trust he's not that bad. totally a stand up dude
Not to mention he manipulated a kid (the collector)
Also, fratricide.
Prob a pedo to
Before watching I already know Bills the best villain. He doesn’t manifest “often” in the show as he only appears in 7 episodes out of the 40 total but when he does it’s insane how batshit insane he is and how funny he is as well, and he’s extremely well written along with VERY memorable.
0:08 The way they incorporated Bill into the poster of Gravity Falls is absolutely GENIUS.
I like how the window in the attic or wherever it is in the shack is just him as well so he’s always there and not even in secret either
My ratings for each:
Design: Andrias/Belos
Beliefs: Belos
Powers: Bill
Prescence: Bill/Belos
Actions: Belos
Effects on Protagonist: Andrias/Belos
Conclusion: Andrias/Bill
I think that disney should and could make a crossover series with all three of these shows where anne and her friends, dipper and mabel, and luz and her friends all come together and fight a new bad guy that is somehow connected to all of them and all of the main bad guys in all of their storys. I can't be the only one wanting this to happen, can I?
Bill is one of my favorite villians but for some reason belos just hits differently
Belos is basically the Dark Souls boss that you fight at the very end of the game after hearing everything about his kingdom and deeds. Like the whole Grimewalker thing screams Dark Souls
Well bill is the strongest in the list and his entrances are the best imagine moon looking at you and then turning into bill cipher 💀
My ranking is 3:King Andrias 2:Bill Cipher 1:Emperor Belos because I love when stories have repercussions and when Bill "died" and Stanley got his memory back It made me so mad like if Stan didn't get his memories back, Bill might be equal if not better than Belos cause he's so strong and yet they still beat him that would have been so perfect in my opinion.
I do agree that the way Stan gets his memories back is a bit cheap. he gets them back Scott free kind of undermining the sacrifice.
@@bearwithme5669 it's takes a while if we take from the books
@@ciaranbeard5769 Still, a show shouldn’t have us do homework if we want to enjoy it to the full extent. I mean, if you like doing that then go ahead, no one’s stopping you, it’s just that, for me, I’d prefer to just binge watch a show without stopping to go check out a book, but that’s just me
@@cathria. WIthout referring to other material at all, the info in the show itself tells us that it took a week to recover Stan's memories. Weirdmageddon started one week before August 31st. During Weirdmageddon, time stopped. No matter how many days seemed to pass to the people experiencing it (we know at least 4-5 days passed within it, possibly more depending on how long it took to build the Shack-tron), when Bill was defeated, everything snapped back into place. Everyone was back on the same date it started on (they hadn't missed any time in the real world, and thus the real world was never aware of what had happened). We know this because we're shown a montage of things that happen between the end of Weirdmageddon, and Dipper and Mabel's birthday party -- the town is repaired, the Shack is fully repaired (when it's a complete wreck), Old Man McGucket buys the Northwest Mansion, and so on. None of that stuff happened overnight, even considering "cartoon physics". While Stan began the process of regaining his memories in the scene with the scrapbook, during the newscast, Shandra Jimenez says that he has "finally regained his memories".
Of ccourse, in the episode itself, this goes by *extremely* quickly. So it absolutely makes sense to criticize the pacing of the episode and how quickly the "I said get Waddles off me!" reveal happens. Even though they got Disney to give them a double-episode's worth of time for the conclusion, there was still too much they wanted to fit into it, and some things do feel rushed. I think they did a remarkably good job, given the constraints they had... but hindsight is 20/20, and we can look at the episode and come up with ways to utilize the same amount of time, but make it clearer that it took longer than a few minutes for Stan to start to recover his memories. I also think they could have put the reveal after that newscast montage about what happened in the town after Weirdmageddon. Since we were going to skip over that time period anyway, we wouldn't have had to watch all the other characters just be super distressed and sad about Stan. But an indication that they'd spent almost a week thinking they couldn't get him "back", before he has that breakthrough remembering Waddles, might have made it feel a bit more earned.
Still, my point here is that the clues to why Stan could get his memories back, and how long it took, are right there in the show. No consulting other sources needed.
@@gryphonvert Yes, I agree with what you’re saying, I only meant to respond to someone who thought that since it was more explained in the book then it was fine. I dislike it when a show expects us to know something only written in their books in order to get the full enjoyment, and for someone to just basically say “Hey, it’s in the books, so it’s fine that’s it not explained completely in the show,” kind of rubs me the wrong way. I mean, depending on how much the show depends on the watcher knowing what happens in the books is always a factor for how frustrating it is, like in this situation. But, that’s all I really meant to say, I also thought that the episode was still incredibly enjoyable even if the memory part felt a bit rushed, I’m a sucker for happy endings for everyone. I just don’t agree when people think/say that, again, since it’s in the books everything is fine, it just rubs me the wrong way for some reason, but that was all I meant to say, and I apologize if what I said rubbed you the wrong way, I didn’t intend for it to go that way, so I’m sorry :(
Honestly i truly loved belos' outfit and was kinda sad when he took the mask off... The mysteriousness of his character and appearance added so much to him... And its weird how once he took of his mask once we basically never saw it again... After we saw his face the animators just abandoned the old outfit which im still kinda angry/sad about
In my personal opinion, Belos is the best villain of the three, but Andrias is the best overall character.
here is my opinion
Character designs 1: Bill (4/5) it's simple yet perfect 2: Belos (3/5) A great villain look 3: Andrius (3/5) It worked very well despite being the least changed design.
Personality 1: Bill (5/5) Bill is by far the most fun to watch 2: Andrius (4/5) It's just Bill's but somewhat weaker 3: Belos (3/5) He is really cold and mercy-less which fits him but makes him more like a machine.
Motive 1: Andrius (4/5) My dude had a tough breakup 2: Belos (3/5) As you said he really doesn't have much 3: Bill (3/5) while it being super vague was cool I am not a fan of that it was never given a full answer.
Powers 1: Bill (5/5) My dude could shuffle the functions of every hole in my face 2: Belos (4/5) even before possessing the Titan he had quite a bit up his arm 3: Andrius (3/5) He had quite the stash of tech.
Presence 1: Belos (4/5) as Bear with me said 2: Bill (3/5) Not much to say here for me 3: Andrius. (3/5) He didn't get that good at feeling as if everything was him even though a lot of it was him.
Actions 1: Andrius (5/5) My dude commited 3 attempted murders all in the span of 10 minutes tops and he still did more crap like blowing up Toad Tower as well helping in the invasion of earth 2: Bill (4/5) Nearly made Stan loss the shack, possessed Dipper with the plans to make him jump off the water tower after destroying his book, and of course his throne of living human agony and Preston's face 3: Belos (3/5) as Bear with me said Belos is more the man behind it all who stays in the shadows and has someone else do the dirty work.
Effects on the protagonists 1: Belos (4/5) unlike the others he left Luz in ruins instead of causing growth 2: Bill (3/5) As Bear with me said 3: Andrius. (3/5) As Bear with me said.
Fate 1: Bill (5/5) It was pitch perfect in every way 2: Andrius (3/5) While flawed I am happy with it 3: Belos (2/5) I was really expecting more and it was just scraping past ok, adding a scene where Calab Evenlyn Flapjack and all the Grim-walkers drag Belos into Hell for good would have made it much better, but as is it really needed some work.
Final score
Bill: 4 + 5 + 3 + 5 + 3 + 4 + 3 + 5 = 32/40
Andrius: 3 + 4 + 4 + 3 + 3 + 5 + 3 + 3 = 28/40
Belos: 3 + 3 + 3 + 4 + 4 + 4 + 4 + 2 = 27/40
I am so sorry for spelling and grammer errors and just know this is just my opinion if you disagree that's good
good ranking. I like how well formatted your comment is. I apricate how much effort you put into going threw all the criteria's. respect 👊👊👊👊
bill also has a minor appearance of being depicted in some way in every episode of gravity falls, be it on a poster, or even his name appearing on the cash register of the mystery shack
He is litteraly a window in the mystery shack
@@skull_lee thats not the only way he appears. its never the same way twice, and usually something obscure
@@Issengan theres a window in the shack which s triangular and has an eye
@@skull_lee i know. thats still not the only way bill has cameos
I like how belos is perceived to be this huge sludge monster, when he is revealed to look like your dad or uncle with a kind face but a huge scar/disease. Later on in the series you see his true form. Meanwhile, I like bill for how he is built up throughout the series from the title screen, to the design of the portal, windows, carpets, etc until you see that he is a funny smart maniac. He does some stuff that is straight nightmare fuel but for the most part he’s a funny smart maniac. Also, I don’t wanna talk about amphibia cuz it’s too sad.
The way he spoke in reverse in the end was perfect, he knew he would die and so he had the perfect backup.
Im torn between my love for Bill and Belos as villains.Both were good and very well set up and their downfalls were incredible.I also dont think powers should be a factor on how good a villain is as much as how creative/fitting for the villain they are.(bill would still be a 5/5)
My absolute favorite of these villains, is Belos. I find Andrius a bit more henchmen rather than the main villain. And Bill, yes, he has a twisted sense of humor, but I still laugh.
But Belos, he's just straight up intimidating. I literally had nightmares of him trying to k*ll me😱. He's a well written villain!!!
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there is just something about king andrias that reminds me of king asgore from undertale
Honestly same. they both have that reluctant king vibe. both doing what they have to even thought they don't want to.
@@bearwithme5669 yeah
My opinion:
Andrias: Keith David delivers a fantastic performance, I mean, when doesn’t he? Andrias is a tragic and complex character who just wanted the love and respect from his father no matter how much suffering he had to cause on to himself and to others. And you can definitely see some of that inhumane behaviour his father had start to rub on to him in a certain scenes. And I admit, I liked his redemption arc with him learning to let go of his father’s control to help Amphibia.
Bill: I love Bill, I think he is funny and a chaotic villain. Like the literal representation of pure chaos and malice. He doesn’t care who he hurts or who he kills. He has no reason to do this except it amuses him. Now while I do like villains who have a bit of a motivation, Bill is one of my favourites because he has no motivation. He just enjoys chaos and pain onto others because that’s what he lives for
Belos: Honestly, Belos is my personal favourite villain. While Bill was built up throughout the show in the background like he was watching them, the buildup to Belos was done amazingly as well. Despite the fact we don’t see him until the two part finale of season 1, he still had a presence that I felt. That when we were introduced to him in the finale, his intro built up mystery, fear and intrigue. We didn’t know why he was sucking the essence out of the Palisman but we will. And in episode nineteen, we saw how powerful he was and how much of a struggle Luz had to beat him. Every scene with him in it is intense. He is manipulative, he is powerful, he is scary and compare that with Andrias or Bill he doesn’t do or say anything funny. Like, he doesn’t even crack a joke which is what I like since not every villain needs to be funny, you can make them just plain scary while adding attributes that make him intriguing. And the twist on what he actually was was amazing and helps us see that he may be a human but he is far from human in the end of the series but a monster that he swore to destroy. To me, Belos is one of Disney’s best villains. He is ruthless, intriguing and absolutely terrifying and Matthew Rhys is absolutely terrific in the part
2:37 i think he became weak beacouse of what collector did to him, you know. Wipe out. And that make him so much weaker
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If you consider the fact he is the main cause of the weirdness in the town his presence covers the entire show not directly but still has an effect on the show
To me, Bill is in a league of his own, Andreas and Belos were monsters in their own right.
But nothing is topping the Demonic dorito
Sometimes I feel like Belos was eating the magic palisman to get that form so he could justify his "witches/magic are evil" mindset
Belos is my personal favorite villain on this list
24:33 " *BUY CRYPTO SUCCERS* " is the best line
This is awesome
Thank you 😁
I'm sorry Belos and Andrias, but Bill Cipher will always and forever be my favorite villain.
For those of you who think he doesn't have a motivation, if you were a demon who had the potential to have unlimited power, you would probably do whatever it takes to get that. Bill lived in a 2D universe and was super bored his whole life. He discovered that he could take over the Earth and become the ruler of everything. All he needed to do was threaten a few kids and get into someone's mind. It makes perfect sense.
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Bill cypher is the villain that you love
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Bill is the villain you love
Belos is the villain you hate
Andrias is the villain you emphatize with
@@matteopugliese4658 so true
Bill was so strong that he was able to change the opening gravity fall. which villain is capable of that
I’d love to see a Pt.2
I might be able to make that happen 😁
I would argue that the core is the actual villain of Amphibia, it just used Andrias to do its work. Plus Andrias goes to the good side in the end.
It's impressive that you didn’t let the bias just give the max score to Bill.
I really wanted to give him max score. but I also wanted to try and be professional
I wouldn't be surprised if Philip Whitabane had contact with Bill.
When i first met bill there was one thought on my mind that entire episode. Why did he sound like king? And im pretty sure that they are both voiced by the same person.
they are, most people think king sounds like bill but people that watched owl house first would also think bill sounds like king in vice versa
Yes there are both voiced. By Alex hirsch
That Bill Drawing was a masterpiece ngl
I'm glad someone appreciates my art skills. 😂😂😂😂
You know that Disney cartoons like Gravity Falls, Amphibia, Owl House, Ducktales reboot, Wander Over Yonder, Star vs The Forces of Evil etc... do something that modern Disney movies fail at ?
By giving us actual villains
Awesome ranking
Heres mine
1) Emperor Belos/Phillip Wittebane
2) Bill Cipher
3) King Andriass
I'd love to see a part 2 for Phoenix (my name for the Collector,) The Core and Gideon
I'm curious what prompted you to name the collector phoneix?
@@bearwithme5669 Well I call the Collector 'kid Aaravos' and if you get it you get it
@@netherking3988 I might get it
@bearwithme5669 so, this story goes back to before we got Evelynns name. So, I wanted to call Calebs wife Phoenix and I did for a while but then she was revealed to be called Evelynn. Thus, I wanted to call her Daughter Phoenix instead but, I realised that dosent work because there's no Lynn. Thus, I renamed Evelynn and Calebs daughter to be Madilynn because it has Lynn in it and that's the name of my best friend so its my way of saying thank you to her for everything she's done for me. Anyways back to Collector. So, before WAD came out (9 days iirc) I wanted to give Collector a name as I thought we'd get one in WAD so I wanted to see how accurate I could get it. I wanted an astrological name since they're a child of the stars and in research I found out Phoenix was astrological Thus, I finally got to name a character Phoenix
@@amitysluzara2022 ok interesting. yeah I was way of
I feel that the ability scaling might be a little off, a dimension destroying threat capable of destroying universes is one point above someone who may or may not be able to destroy a planet. I feel that it should either be 1,2,5 or 1,3,5 just I think that Belos is closer in strength to Andrias which is why I think either 1,2 or 2,3 then bill on 5 as its a little bit of a power jump, just a smidge of one though.
I watched all of these shows and they are all pretty good I particularly like there villains
In Belos's "Effects on the protagonist" you forgot that one time he turned her 98% to stone only to literally kill her 3 episodes later. I don't know about you, but if someone killed me I think it would have a pretty significant impact on my life.
Belos easily the better villain. He was smart, cunning and honestly didn’t give a shit who he hurt since they got in the way of his goal. He relished in Luz’s breakdown and was ready to discard Hunter like trash
Yes he was outwitted by Luz twice but that wasn’t his final downfall. Luz beat him because she received help from the Titan…also super glad they didn’t push a redemption for him, Kikibitch or Odalia cuz they were irredeemable monsters-Belos being the worst
Andrias had a very understandable backstory and I rooted for his redemption since he truly cared about the one he hurt most (Marcy) and he redeemed himself pretty well imo.
Bill Cipher is another story entirely. He was a great villain and he was fun to see. Like Belos, he didn’t care who he hurt and he laughed at misery. In the end he was a party animal to a major extreme but he could be dangerous if he wanted to be which he proved to be. His only downfall was the luck that Stan and Ford were identical twins so they were able to trick him.
I guess I’ll take a minute to mention The Core since they were a separate villain from Andreas. The Core was interesting I suppose, smart and cunning and as Darcy they were quite a threat. However in the end they were defeated by their own ego as well as Anne willing to sacrifice her own life to save Amphibia from them.
Overall, Belos definitely wins as best villain. I hated his guts soooo much but that’s what makes a villain good. The way I see, there are 3 ways to make a great villain:
1. The sympathetic with a very understanding backstory of why they are the way they are which leaves room for redemption
2. The I don’t give a shit who I hurt for my goal. They have a specific goal that will hurt people and they don’t care who gets in their way as they think they are the hero and refuse to believe otherwise
3. The one who just wants to see the world burn and relish in the chaos
Belos, Bill and Andrias each fit these categories. Belos being the second one and I’ll admit I was someone who wanted him to turn out to be kinda like andrias and actually care about Hunter with Kikibitch being the true villain but I eventually dropped that cuz he was an irredeemable monster and a hypocrite. And unlike Bill and Andrias, Belos had a personal connection to Luz and was able to break her down to the point she even hated herself and wanted to punish herself for her mistake.
Do you ever call belos Phillip or am I the only one who calls him Phillip instead of belos
Another way to make a great villain is to make you hate them to a personal level. A villain is someone who embodies evil in a story and sometimes evil is hated upon, then embrace that hatred of the villain in an understandable level. If you hate a villain so much because of what they've done, then that shows that you did a great villain.
But just make sure to balance that hatred with empathy if you want a sympathetic but hateable villain because while they went through some messed up stuff, that will never change the fact that what they've done is horrible.
@@stephanieclark3506 he deserves to be called belos. 90% because he hates it, and the other 10% is that he's known as Belos from the characters for the entirety of the show lol.
I was gonna say something about how he "killed" Philip, but then i realized that the two are the same, he just came up with Belos because "Philip was run out of too many towns"
Yes but Phillip is easier to say
my list of them 3rd is andreas 2nd belos and bill in 1st becase of the books
books? the gravity falls one?
@@bearwithme5669 just came back so i am a bit late to this but yes the gravity falls books
Bill appears in every episode at the end of the intro
Yes that would be great for a part 2
can you do who’s the best protagonist out of these 3 shows next? I loved this video
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Bill is someone we know nothing about. If there was more gravity falls it would be amazing. Bill,lore wise is best. Probably the same with power as he well uh controls time reality eg;. So his powers and lore are both 5/5 but his design is really simple but sticks too the mind but his stronger forms are insanely cool so id say a 5/5 if you use all forms. His motives are too be a giant meme so 5/5 there. (What can i say the man has a respectable goal) . Another thing are the feats. He is easily 5/5 because he destroyed his universe and time baby.whats more is his presence, although memey, is just cOld with a capital O sometimes. And just the though of him for dipper stan eg; is crazy.so another 5/5. This is also crazy for effects on the protagonists so another 5/5. The only thing he lacks is cool fight scenes.this is cuz hes too strong. So for the fights we would give 4/5 because we havent seen a proper fight except of that huge robot when bill was just playing around. Overall i think he is one of the best villans ever made. And definitely the best for Disney.
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I love Bill he was an awsome villain and was just so cool
Please part 2
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Belos was amazing and incredibly menacing up until he just became an obsessive and broken man after like his 2nd or 3rd interaction with Luz. In my mind he stopped being that much of a looming threat and more of just a hurdle to be climbed over after the petrification failure when he revealed his true face to the people of Boneborough.
Andrias on the other hand (to me at least) was an expertly crafted one. An obvious bad guy from the moment we saw his true nature and the fact he made himself blend in as a passive figure to the main characters up until the betrayal and stabbing of Marcy made him an insidious enemy. Belos was always a threat before Luz even knew who he was but Andrias was like a spy, becoming friends with the people he'd ultimately have to betray/kill.
Bill Cipher on the third hand was just a chaotic force of nature who stayed menacing and threatening throughout, but I'd argue he didn't have much of an impact until the later seasons as he was kind of a joke in his first few encounters, allowing himself to almost be bested by the Pines Twins during their first real encounter in Stan's mind and ACTUALLY being defeated when he was kicked out of Dippers body during that puppet fiasco.
In my opinion Belos got even better the more time went on
First is that his goals are a 1 to 1 parallel of racists in the real world, he’s so ignorant and blind sided by his own hate that he’s willing to go to the extremes no matter the cost
He killed his brother over and over and over again to teach him a lesson and get him to convert to his side no matter how sick and inhumane
he then managed to convert the entire isle into forgoing their roots and culture to adopt a religion that actively hurts them as a people and in the end it took the wild magic of god himself (titan) to take him down
he was always broken and obsessive that’s how racists are, they aren’t logical or rational, they’re just rash, emotional, and illogical creatures that obsess over small details to differentiate between themselves and others and Belos does a great job of showing how maniacal they can be
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I just noticed how good at deceiving they all are