Who is the Best "Final Boss" Disney Villain?
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2023
- We all like Gravity Falls, Amphibia, The Owl House, and many shows like it partly because of their protagonists. But you can't have a great protagonist without an excellent antagonist, and these three shows have that covered with Bill Cipher, Darcy/The Core, and Belos. But among these three, who is the best "final boss" villain?
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“ In order to become final boss, villain, you must possess a child“
Famous villain quote
I'm looking at you Shion, what kind of villain she is gonna make and who is it gonna possess
The fact that Bill had to be tricked shows just how dangerous he was, while the others had to be beaten physically while Bill was virtually unstoppable
Yes, he is definitely the most powerful villain
That’s because no one in that universe had extraordinary powers
@@Deborah_swanson Time Baby had but well, that didn't go so well...
@@trollbiene8410 yeah that’s fair but also it’s possible that the time ppl didn’t even have the first step how to defeat bill because they know nothing about him
@@Deborah_swanson yeah but considering the fact that they can literally go whenever they want and also choose the destination, it's pretty whack that they didn't look for a time where Bill was defeated, and just get that information, before confronting him yk? I mean, they quite literally have infinite knowledge, and they should also be able to talk to the Axolotl I think, considering the fact that the Time Baby is a god of time... but well, whatever ig
With how realistic Belos is and how he actually acts like people that have existed and still exist, he is easily the most terrifying in my opinion.
I love goop monsters
Bendy
The insolence /tio
The no where king
Belos
I just love the idea of a goop monster, and how their organisms work definitely belos on how he has to eat smaller organisms like a bunny to slowly be able to have the power to possess Hunter
Just something about them seem so cool
Belos is really creepy,almost reminds me of venom from spiderman
I like how bill poses as a threat to the universe and how in the journal it says bill is a threat to the multiverse it’s honestly really cool how terrifying he can be
@@nickmilano2516 piggy fan
@@MeowthGames piggy fan
Definitely bill.
Definitely Belos
@@TussockyBongo57definitely core
(Definitely bill I was just finishing the list)
@@TussockyBongo57No Bill
@@catz._.and._.cometzzNo Bill
Definitely Bill.
Bill was much more dangerous, but Belos offered the better narrative, this was a human, that got his hands on power, and grew it into the greatest power of his reality (i have not seen any hints of gravity falls connecting to the owl house/amphibia earth), his goal was not super immense by comparison, but despite having all the power he also never really needed it. everything he achieved was through deceit, coercion or charm, getting his own hands dirty was always just the last resort, if he hadn't tossed Kikimora, of all beings, there wouldn't actually have been any stopping him, not before it would be too late anyways.
The Core should’ve been built up a bit more. Like aside from it taking over Marcy’s body and it’s effect on Andreas I didn’t have much investment in it as a Villian.
Belos works so well because of his hero complex and his effect as a manipulator. How broke Luz and made her question her own purpose and resent her own existence. He mentally broke her. And the fact that he managed to trick the people of the boiling isle into committing a genocide against themselves.
And Bill Cypher works so well as an underlying threat. He’s always watching. He feels like a lovecraftian threat. A being whose mere presence is mystery and uncertainty. He’s Madness and chaos in its purest form. But he’s also the devil on your shoulder offering up your wildest dreams for his own benefit. That’s in my mind what makes him the best of the three.
Belos at the end of the day is the worst of humanity. Bill Cypher is the worst of existence.
i feel like another knock on the Core is how goofy they portray it at times, examples being that entire scene where they just act like Marcy but bad and when they're "gaming"
@@jefferyandbob3137 I feel like the core taking on some of Marcy’s personality quirks could be fun. But ya Darcy as a concept should’ve been treat as an unsettling threat. Like their friend is full on possessed by a machine.
@@GrtSage yeah the idea itself isn't bad, it could've also been cool if the Core cycled through different personalities taking control or something to really sell the multiple minds thing and make it feel "otherwordly"
@@jefferyandbob3137 they did tease that with Andreas’ dad commenting on him through the Core. Could’ve been interesting if the Core used some of Marcy’s personality to toy with Sasha and Anne during their fight.
*Bill Cipher, his last name is spelled with an i instead of a y.
One thing that isn't really pointed out a lot is how before these villains are introduced, the show already had a 'main' villain, (Lil Gideon, Captain Grime and Lillith) but once the true threat shows up (Bill Cipher, The Core and Belos), they join the heroes and become more heroic and this trend has been happening a lot in animated shows recently, Adventure Time (The Ice King gets replaced by the Lich) Steven Universe (Jasper and Peridot get replaced by The Diamonds) Star vs the Forces of Evil (Ludo gets replaced by Toffee, ok this one might be an exception) and Hilda (Erik Ahlberg gets replaced by the Mountain King) I'm sure theirs more examples, those are the ones I can immediately think off.
i thought i was the only that thought about this, alot of shows had a first main villain but in the end their was someone that is a more powerful villain like irregular shows with Garrett Bobby Ferguson Jr. that summoned all the secondary villains but in the final season Anti-Pops was the like the final boss.
Ice king was never really a villain, also toffee got replaced by Mina, she was the final boss
@@SnickerDoodleBug05 god I hate that this is actually how star ended up, it's like if the living golf balls were the final villain of Gravity Falls
Also Lord Hater from Wander Over Wander who gets replaced by Lord Dominator.
What about Hannibal McFist getting replaced by The Sorcerer in Randy Cunningham; 9th Grade Ninja?
Personally I think Bill is the best villain, his setup is the most well written and intriguing and his defeat is the most cleverly written and satisfying of the three, also Bill himself probably has the most personality out of the three and is generally the most entertaining to watch.
It depends on what trait of villainy you love the most.
If comedic chaos, then Bill.
If invading force, then the core.
If charismatic evil, then Belos.
What’s your favourite?
I think Bellows takes the lead in general because people like him does exist
While one is pure evil, the other has an old ideology about conquering... but it takes a system and many people and it gets messy in this bloody system
While Belos, is the only person pulling string. Having an ideology that's been challenged and refuses to change... the face of all everything he has done
And done so much evil, and it was a mask person... any human could do the same like him
And it hits different, while also having another said human putting down a new path and change. . . Honestly having one of the most satisfying defeat
It also depends on the perspective you are taking for what a 'good' villain is.
From a writing perspective, then *Objectively*, Belos is by far the best of the three.,
Serves as a good obstacle for the hero to overcome and has a presence throughout the story.
Either represents the antithesis of the stories main themes or is the embodiment of those themes (Understanding vs Bigotry)
Is only defeated once the protagonist has overcome their internal flaws and grown as a person thus embodying the main theme of the series.
And leaves enough of an impact to be memorable and is an irreplaceable part of the story.
There are of course other facets but over all, from a purely writing standpoint, Belos checks off all the Boxes for a GREAT villain.
Bill and the Core all lack something in one or more of the categories, be it thematic relation or not having enough impact for the story to feel like it benefited much from their inclusion.
Belos
bill nye the science guy
CHAOS CHAOS CHAOS I LOVE BILL
Bill Cipher is the most entertaining main villain out all of three IMO.
Bill is the most evil villain ever.
if I had to rank: bill is the most chaotic, horrifying, and traumatising and the core and belos are idiots
@@RainbowNifftyIdiots? Belos managed to brainwash the Boiling Isles for YEARS. If that's not intelligence, I don't know what is.
@@RainbowNiffty Belos is idiot? He managed to outsmart the entire cast of the show even the main character with ease multiple times and he only got trick through a very delicated trap while Bill couldn't even distinguish 2 Stans and even in Stan's mind he didn't have any clue that he's being tricked. despite having god-like power. I'm sure Phillip will roll Bill's mind all over than vice versa.
@@DatTran1 you try and see the difference between 2 twins after they swapped clothes and act exactly like eachother
For me Belos is the best because while Bill is an outright god, and the Core has an army, Belos is the only villain who started out as a simple person, but he schemed and connived his way into power. He used terrorism and fear mongering to make himself emperor so he could later kill everyone.
Basically Palpatine in Star Wars and i love both of them for that.
Yeah he wasn’t boosted by unattainable power he started as an orphan boy and I respect that I could never do what he did lol, and not just cuz of morals I am not capable of everything
Your are logically right and morally wrong
@@Imtherealtinzel Could you explain what you mean by morally wrong?
THANK YOU, I'm so happy someone thinks the same way I do about Belos. 🥲
While Bill Cipher is the utmost classic Modern Disney Villain, who has definitely earned his Spot as one of the best villains in animation. The buildup, his entertaining chaotic character and near Villain Victory made him very memorable to me.
While Darcy/The Core was the most thematic villain and the antithesis of Amphibia’s central theme of change plus one of the best Villain designs that I’ve seen in a Long Time.
But yeah as cool as it looks due to lack of screentime and lack of buildup or presence in the series makes him the least memorable villain.
But Belos was certainly the most charismatic villain/character with depth and quite the interesting origin that’s in a way kinda tragic but at the end he’s an unsympathetic monster.
I’d go so far to Say Belos is probably Modern Disney’s greatest villain on par with Judge Claude Frollo, and Death the Wolf from Puss in Boots Last Wish.
But the Core and Belos BOTH managed to Kill the protagonist/heroine in their respective worlds (before both were resurrected by their worlds Gods, or Prophecies plot armor.
Except that the Core didn't kill Anne, the use of the "secret spell" did.
@@kevinlee7678 Oh yeah so technically Only Belos has the actual kill count.
@@toadlord8594 Yeah the kill count of Belos onscreen is already countless while Bill Cipher which is a reality warping dorito couldn't kill 2 child and 2 granpas onscreen.( I'm not saying about comic though because in comic and journal 3 he obliterate the 2nd dimension for fun).
@@kevinlee7678 true
Actually Belos I'd argue is the most thematic and the literal embodiment of the anti-theme, like Owl House was a pro LGTBQ story about acceptance and moving past personal bias and prejudice.
And Belos was a fucking old witch hunting fart from the 1700s who wanted to commit genocide cause he couldn't accept the idea that Witches were just people.
You don't get much more anti progressive than a 300+ year old bigot
I like to add, his brother was able to change. . . And I won't be surprised if he had many, MANY chances to change for the better. . . But once he killed his brother... it tells us that he isn't going to change
With the clones either being similar or close to his brother and still killed then without mercy or nothing, tells us as well that he ENJOYS doing it
The collector even talked about it. . .
Not only he's human, but also had so many ways to go back . . . And just... doesn't, and soon we knows what happens next
His death wasn't big or anything, and honestly he doesn't deserve that... making his death SOOOO satisfying
They only validated his xenophobia even if it was for a joke so there is that.
As memorable as Bill is, i have to give this one to The Evil Emperor Belos! He's just so damn Awesome! With his charisma, grand schemes and manipulation (not to mention mysterious background) he really gives us the chills. He's the exact type of villain that modern Disney needs, especially how in their recent feature films they're barely pure evil these days.
It's honestly incredible just how well-written he turned out to be as a villain, especially considering we only truly got to know who he was in about the last quarter of the show. I genuinely didn't think Disney was capable of producing this kind of bad guy anymore, but I'm glad The Owl House proved me wrong.
I love goop monster like him like
The insolence/tio
Or the nowhere, King
Goop monsters seems so cool for me
What I like about bill is that he has all of these and I think belos is just right under him mainly because I hate how they make belos look week compared to people like the collector if there not even gonna really use it in the meantime
@@olleselin I know belos isn’t weak I hate how they make him weak against the collector it kinda annoys me if belos is suppose to be the threat
@@AkuEdits1000I mean I think that makes sense don't you think? He was always the weaker one but was a thread through manipulation. When he arrived on isles, he was a human and witches were stronger obv. Then he started becoming what he had but what he fought against (all of witches) were stronger than him in total, he kept manipulating and using people meanwhile secretly trying to genocide the isles with day of unity. He was always wayy less stronger than the collector but he ended up manipulating him too because he is a great manipulator. Then again he used someone (the whole titan) to fight at the end. He wasn't the top tier guy in strength even he was way stronger than an average witch, yet he managed so much by doing unethical things is what makes him more realistic and villainous as a human.
Out of all three, I found Belos the best villain because of how different he is compared to Bill and the Core.
With the Core, you know a shred of Marcy is shining through in terms of personality when as Darcy.
With Bill, he balances himself with god level threats and getting a kick at seeing the shocked expression on your face.
But with Belos? It's like Darth Vader walking into the room. A sense of dread runs down your spine, an ice cold look coming from the mask he peers in when staring at you. It's like you're in a realm where a real demon is coming for you if you get in his way.
Furthermore, the fact that he's so realistic as a human and an emperor makes him all the more terrifying as he represents how strong a man's beliefs can be and how it can bring about their demise as well as drive them to the point where they themselves become the very thing they believe they aren't.
He's more like Palpatine than Vader but i agreed there're some moments he behaved like Darth Vader.
Nah bill is better
I would be much more afraid of Bill than Belos
@@Supasmartguy You know Belos will kill you even if you join his cause( Hunter, BlueFang and basically the entire Boiling Isles citizen) while Bill kept his word when you made a deal with him or at least turn you into a statue rather than killing you and in fact we've never seen Bill straight up killing anyone on screen while Belos's kill count is already countless.
@@DatTran1 the show's expanded universe reveals that Bill destroyed his home dimension and murdered his entire species, including his own family, and also was responsible for destroying the ancient Egyptian empire, which is why they built the pyramids. They were trying in vain to calm him.
I think I haven’t encountered more unique villain that Bill really. He is unsatisfied with existence itself and the rules it follows, so what does he do - HE WANTS TO DESTROY IT, to reshape it into pure nonsense. He fist destroys his own dimension and as a being of another one, his powers in the third dimension allows him to do exactly that. I mean think about it, what is the first thing that Bill do when he arrives after trying for thousands of years- party, he spends the next few days making a party, which doesn’t make any sense until you realise that the whole reason why he does all of this is simply to be happy. The desire to not exist is something that everyone experience at some point in their life, but while for some people it last only seconds, for Bill it has lasted his entire life and he doesn’t want himself to not exist, he wants EXISTENCE AS A WHOLE to not exist which is a pretty interesting and unique motive. Also the fact that he has god like powers allows him to switch between hilarious and terrifying in a blink of an eye. And correct me if I’m wrong, but to be able to manipulate mater, reality and time gotta be the most OP power in all of fiction
Belos may be more immediately hateable than Bill, But Bill is much more unique, memorable, and entertaining to watch. He's also much more powerful and much scarier, plus, he's actually just as irredeemable and despicable as Belos. You just have to look at the show's expanded universe to see. It reveals some truly horrific things about Bill. I'd argue that he's the better villain.
Bill was so strong that he was able to change the opening gravity fall. which villain is capable of that
I mean yeah, but I don’t think strength is everything in this ‘ranking.’
While I love the Owl House and Amphibia, I remain a bigger Gravity Falls fan. So, that said -- I think you were right at the start of your video, saying that which villain you find "best" depends on the individual -- what you're looking for in a story, what resonates best with you. I agree with criticisms of the Core; it was formidable, but it didn't do that much for me, I guess? (Although, I found it kind of funny that you called it out for limited screentime, when Bill Cipher is only in 6 episodes of Gravity Falls, and several of those, he's only in a tiny bit of the eps. He really doesn't have that much screentime at all.) For Bill and Belos, though -- they were each the perfect villains for their series, and you very much get a different experience from watching them. Bill is huge, difficult to comprehend (in terms of his goals), chaotic, terrifying, and seemingly unstoppable because of how much power he has and how many tools he has in his arsenal (once he becomes corporeal). Belos is more scarily relatable -- both because he starts out as just a normal human guy, and because, as you said, his type of evil is very recognizable from our history and from our present. Both Bill's and Belos's defeats are very satisfying, but for different reasons. So, in conclusion, even though I'm still more devoted to GF, I can't disagree with you picking Belos!
And, I do want to add one more thing about Belos versus Bill: the writing. Belos seems to have been meticulously planned from the beginning of the show. He has a deep back-story that is revealed over time, and the more we learn about him, the more disturbing he gets. (I would say that later-seasons Belos is MORE disturbing than first season, where he's just the masked Evil Emperor. He becomes more disturbing and scary once we know he's a human witch-hunter from the 1600s playing a long game out of essentially religious-fanatic motivations.) I think Dana Terrace and TOH's team did a phenomenal job on him. (Although, if you are more connected to TOH trivia, please do let me know if it's ever discussed that Belos wasn't originally meant to be the same as he turned out to be!) Meanwhile -- we now know that Bill, while included in the show from the start (as an image on the briefly-flashed end-card of the credits, and in various designs seen around the Shack), wasn't originally intended to be the Final Boss Villain, until they started work on Season 2.
Once again, I think it's hard to say which is "better". But I do think it's fair to say that Belos benefitted from the longer-term planning. Whereas, I give the GF team a ton of credit for taking this character they'd established, but weren't sure how he would develop, and turning him into such a compelling villain.
The Core was definitely hurt by a lack of screentime, but to me, I also think it was hurt by two other things: it was a bit too funny as Darcy, and it was introduced to Anne & Sasha much too late in the season.
While funny moments don't necessarily hurt villains, (case in point: Big Jack Horner from Puss in Boots: The Last Wish) they can if they undermine the intention of also being sinister and a legitimate threat to the heroes in those same interactions, at least if they were intended to be in the first place. Take Bill Cipher: he is indeed funny, but in more of a "[nervous laughter]" kind of way, like someone who thinks doing random acts of violence is akin to an improv comedy routine (case in point: deer teeth & have a screaming head), creating an air of dread as we understand he does not have the same sense of morality as humans, adding onto his Lovecraftian vibe.
For the Core/Darcy, on the other hand, when it is funny it's more of "Marcy quirkiness but antagonistic," which doesn't produce the same reaction of "funny but also pretty messed up" that Bill had, reducing the impact of the Core's actually intimidating moments as a self-proclaimed deity with multiversal conquest ambitions, which admittedly make great use of Haley Tju's acting in producing a Marcy that was notably too cold, serious, and often maniacal to be that person. I feel like it could have worked if they had made it so that those quirks were more creepy and aligned with that detached & calculating side of Darcy, like they were a result of Marcy trying to break through in a way, causing the audience to question whether they should find this funny or deeply disturbing in an "I have no mouth and I must scream" sort of way, which would fit nicely with the scifi horror vibe the Core has going for it. In sum, the Core wavers a tad too much between "Marcy but malicious" funny moments and "your friend's not here right now" scary moments to be an effective villain at times for me.
Second, the Core met Anne & Sasha in the episode right before All In. In my opinion, this happens much too late in the narrative of the show, and takes away from the impact that could've come from having Sasha & Anne realize that their friend is the host for a god-like being, which could have prompted deeper reflection by having the Core use this revelation to torment the girls, possibly claiming that Marcy was better as an assimilated mind compared to how Anne & Sasha treated her. There was great story potential that could've been gained from such an interaction & its effects, as well as showing that the Core is not just waiting around for the invasion to start, but actively makes itself an obstacle for the heroes, but unfortunately we didn't get that. I love the finale of Amphibia (how often is it that we get this kind of series finale from animated shows nowadays, rather than simply being canceled?), but this could've given the fight with the Core in "All In" a greater impact imo.
Anyhow, that's my two cents. Also, it's amazing that Bill Cipher is going to be ten years old soon (Dreamscaperers, when he first debuted, came out July 12, 2013) and he's held up as arguably one of the most iconic Disney villains of the 2010s.
I love how the thumbnail is just "a supernatural being, a literal demon god of pure energy, and a repbulican"
you also forgot to add the fact that each finale has a floating structure
Bill was the most chaotically fun, like a classic Disney villain, while Belos was more chilling and well written. The Core should’ve had more going on, that thing was introduced halfway through the last season
I honestly think that Bill Cipher is the best final boss villain of the three.
Belos aka Philip Whittebane definitely is a great villain due to the terrible deeds he did, including killing his own brother, how he continued to be stuck in his ways and was never open minded enough to consider that he was wrong, he stubbornly continued on his path even when he was on the brink of death, he killed or at least almost killed Luz, it took Luz until the final episode to actually defeat him, and he was so unlikable to everyone in the owl house cast that his death at the end was just so satisfying.
The core is definitely a villain that needed more screen time, but it was the literal embodiment of the anthesis of Amphibia's theme of change. The core hosted Amphibia's greatest minds that refused to die and refused to change their way of life through conquering other worlds. The Core's most heinous act was taking over Marcy's body, and essentially making her the villain. Darcy definitely took the likable traits of Marcy, and twisted them into something evil. They even used psychological warfare to nearly defeat Sasha, who was redeeming herself. When the core was initially defeated, they tried to end all of Amphibia. Anne had to literally sacrifice her own life to finally defeat the core for good. The core worked as a villain because it represents what was wrong with Amphibia as a whole, but just needed more revelations on itself.
Bill Cipher is the best because of how powerful he is, how he was a bigger threat, how he is admittedly insane, how much he's tied into his respective series, and how the characters of Gravity Falls really had to overcome their issues to defeat him (which is true for owl house and Amphibia too, but I think it was more profound in gravity falls).
While Bill is still my favourite due to his chaotic nature and nostalgia, I think Belos is the best villain of the three overall thanks to how he is written and executed in the show.
Its gotta be the OG, the one who started it all, Bill Cipher, he is really the only one who made me scared for the protaginists.
As a final boss Bill is definitely the best. But, in terms of being a villain
My ranking goes
1) Emperor Belos/Phillip Wittebane
2) Bill Cipher
3) The Core
Same
Belos may be the most fascinating portrayal of a manipulator I've seen in fiction. He convinced Luz, a classic bubbly overly helpful hero, that she wasn't a good person, and was in fact, as bad as him. He raised Hunter and countless other grimwalkers to only value themselves according to their usefulness. He indoctrinated an entire culture to be fearful of their own natural abilities and traditions. He attempted genocide to justify his own prejudices and to convince himself him murdering his brother was justified. For a brief period, he even convinced the audience that he was nothing more than a tired, homesick man.
Bill Cipher is immensely entertaining to watch. But Belos is the one who sticks in my head and makes me consider what it really means to be a villain.
Great video!
Hey thanks! I’m glad you like it!
In my opinion, worst to best, it's Belos, The Core, Bill
Belos was very evil, manipulting an entire civilization for hundreds of years, killing people, killing his own brother, and then killing said brother's clone countless times. He is also strong, and could beat Luz and her friends in monster form. He also provided a light challenge for Luz with titan powers, which while still only a small challenge, still shows how strong he is. However, he was trying to do something he though was good, so he unfortunately isn't higher.
The Core was also evil, manipulating Andrias and possibly other rulers as well. Unlike Belos, The Core knew it was in the wrong and still did it, a real villain. It was also prepared to stab Anne in the chest for her power, and destroy Amphibia just so it could win. However, without it's moon-self, it is a pretty weak bad guy, being defeated by a weakened Sasha who wasn't even in her stone-powered mode. Anyone with advanced fighting skills could take it down, and it needs a host for even this.
Finally, Bill is first because he is truly twisted. Like The Core, he knows he is evil, and enjoys it. Shuffling a mans face, making a throne out of petrified people, mocking Dipper's dad, being prepared to kill the twins, and manipulating a large number of people. He is also an extremely powerful being, capable of destroying universes, or at the very least l, dimensions. What makes him better than The Core, though, is the reasoning behind his actions, which are none. He does what he does simply for entertainment.
1. Belos
2. Bill
3. Core
trust me bill and belos were very very close i just think belos' backstory is so horrifying and interestingly presented in the story so he wins
Yeah I think what makes Belos so terrifying is that like you said he's down to earth he was once human he's proof of just how wicked a human can become kinda similar to the Joker in that way.
Belos is a great villain, but Bill takes the cake as the best villain.
Bro it’s bill he was the first best villain ever on the Disney!!!
UNIVERSE EVER!!!!!!don’t no what villain can be better?
I think Bill is probably my favourite, I haven't rlly watched Amphibia, and Belos, well, the fact he died after getting squished on and King said "Ew! It's on my claws", just makes him not as appealing to me as Bill.
Bill is by far Disney's strongest character, to date, and also one of the best. Bill is extremely powerful, to such an extent that Time Baby had to come and stop him, yet were erased in a matter of 40 seconds, most of which is them just talking.
The thing stopping Bill is what makes Bill such a great character. A dream demon who enters the mind and dreams of characters, using their dreams to project his infinite power and show his capability of usage, which is something overlooked by most people.
Bill doesn't exist in the real world, until Weirdmageddon, and when he does get real he just makes it clear he's not taking no nonsense. He turns the valley of Gravity Falls to his playground in the matter of 3 minutes, or a good 45 seconds if you don't consider talking time. Bill is impatient, and he will do whatever it takes to be free from any confinement. That's why he wants a world of weird, to exist outside of the Nightmare Realm, and to escape Gravity falls, he has no patience and he can't understand why anyone would wait for a result.
I do feel like Bill has the greatest motive out of these three, the Core just wants to be evil for, well, I don't even know since I didn't watch Amphibia.
Belos just wants to end all witches and takes extreme measures that he's carried on.
But Bill has the motive of his personality itself, rather than past events. He gets extremely angry after he discovers Gravity Fall's natural border of.. Weirdness Magnetism... Thank you Stanford Pines for the, uh, *weird* name. Bill wants global domination, of course, as all villains, but he wants that because he hates confinement and wants to make his likely infinite legacy, well, infinite. That's why he was so insistent on the 3D World to let him in, and had to trick people in order to do it.
Bill wants to be free to enact world domination, and in order to achieve this he does the most brutal things in Weirdmageddon 3, with the dialogue "I've got some children I need to make into *Corpses*. "When I get my hands on you kids. I'm gonna dissasemble your molecules!" No other villain has as good dialogue as Bill, "Remember, reality is an illusion; the universe is a hologram. Buy gold, bye!". He's a very unique villain, and he'll do whatever it takes, including doing things Disney shouldn't accept, by, well you saw what happened to the Northwests. But Bill also decimated the Time Police.
Yeah. Belos’s death was comedic and kinda had no effect. Whilst Bill’s death was impactful and more dramatic which is what i like to see for the end of a villain
@@KingEmoticonI like both of their deaths honestly and I do agree that Bill’s felt more dramatic, BUT THE CORE like seriously, a bolt of light THATS THE BEST YOU CAN and the ,,you missed” trope OMG
I hadn't seen the relation of the core and the majora, even with the other two.
Majora is an entity who posses a kid, wants to destroy the world crushing the moon but it's defeat by a hero from another land.
Its funny how Belos is used as a strawman for the right when he is incredably progressive considering the time he is from. He only really hates witches and magic but he doesent seem to hold any other bigoted views. Anything else falls under his lack of care for others.
And technically most of his hatred is because a witch literally took his only family member away.
I would say belos because out of the three he is the most realistic one and I think realistic villains are the scariest type of villain.
Everyone does have their own opinions but for me, as much as I do love Bill Cipher from Gravity Falls and he does have the most memorable quotes. Heck, I would even go as far and say that he is the most quotable Disney villain ever!
I would have to say Belos from The Owl House for a number of reasons.
1. He is actually a witch Hunter from the 1600s named Phillip Wittabane, which makes sense in a show about witches and very unique.
2. He is a such a threatening and menacing presence ever since he made his debut in Agony of a Witch.
3. His backstory is such an excellent one.
4. He would not hesitate to do harm to those that are in his ways and either physically or mentally break them.
5. He killed his own brother and cloned him and that clone and did again and again and again.
6. He is the main villain throughout the whole series and the Collector didn’t become the main antagonist and instead made the latter more of a tragic character.
7. He gets a very gruesome death.
The ting I like about Belos is that if your in a room with the Core or Bill, they will probably just kill you in a few seconds. But Belos tends to give an intimidating vibe and make you scared even when he is not attacking you. I also like his backstory and his reasoning because we know why he did all of this. For the Core we only know someone created this crazy gang on a computer planning to destroy other worlds. For Bill, we just know that he destroyed his old dimension and plans on destroying all the other galaxies. But for Belos, we know he used to be a human and wants to destroy the boiling isles because the witches there were mean to him. This is why I believe Belos is the best villain of these 3.
Note: This is just an opinion, so you don't have to agree with me.
i do not agree
I think Bill wouldn’t kill you just like that unless you really piss him off, it’s not in his character. We see in the show that he’s just like Palpatine in the sadistic sense, torture his victims, play games with them losing no matter what happens, breaking their emotional states and minds and so on.
Nah, Bill wouldn’t. During weirdmaggedon Bill had Dipper, Mabel, Ley and Ford at his immediate disposal, (Excluding Ley who he had at the end) and it was shown that he COULD’VE killed either one of them with a snap of his fingers (Granted that he didn’t know about the barrier until after he captured Ford, showing that he wasn’t gonna kill ford, not het atleast), he could’ve killed Mabel immediately, instead he opted to put her in a bubble for his own entertainment, and he had Dipper trying to punch him. He coulda killed Dipper right then and there, but decided to throw dipper into a tree and send two Henchmaniac’s just so he could watch Dipper scramble in fear, he had the children in a cage near the end and the two pines infront of him, he had “Every threat to his power in one easy to destroy circle” and instead he opted to make them banners instead of killing them all on the spot.
One of my favorite things about Bill is how many warnings about Bill we are given. Bill just seems goofy at first, but as you look deeper into the warnings you see his true nature. He is not what he seems. He deceives you.
I would have to agree, Belos is by far the better villain. His character was just the most interesting, and realistic compared to the rest.
In terms of power, he technically had more strength than the Core. (If they ever fought 1 vs 1) But, if we account for all of their armies and minions each Villain possessed:
1.) Bill Cypher
2.) Core or Belos (Coin Toss)
- Each of their armies were good in their own ways. (1 possessed magic that could probably have gone toe-to-toe with the Core’s army of robots, and the other (The Core) had an army that didn’t need sleep, and could be remade.)
I haven't gotten far enough in TOH to have an opinion on Philip. Bill is easily more iconic and threatening than The Core, however I can congratulate The Core on pulling off the best possession trope IMO. It felt a lot more fleshed out than the other two and affected the protagonists more deeply due to how manipulative and capable Darcy was, whereas Bipper was essentially a downgrade in both power and intelligence
Yea but remember, Bill had to play by the Human bodies rules, therefore, he was in a human child’s body (who has no powers mind you), who hadn’t slept in approx. 48 Hours, and was extremely frustrated, it was more realistic then being able to do basically whatever he wanted.
@@baconhair7393 Meanwhile the core kept M/Darcy well fed and probably did enough training to pull off those scythe-wielding fighting moves
The only thing that could be kind of fun with Belos would be when the collector shows up and takes care of him. But that’s more about the collector
No bill he wanted to destroy the entire multiverse all because he was bored
Belos is a phenomenal antagonist. Every other antagonist in the series is effected in one way or another by his actions both direct and indirect. His presence is felt throughout the series and in the season 1 finale he is very intimidating with the scene of the titans heart beating faster. With the core I don’t really get that we only really see them in the first temple. Andrias felt more like a proper antagonist and that really should’ve been what the series antagonist. In season 2 of the owl house we see belos slowly spread his influence across bonesburough before it comes to a head in hollow mind when eda isn’t able to repair luz’s cloak.
They also like possessing kids just for the heck of it
“We’re Not Scared of You!”
“Oh But You Should Be.”
The thing I don’t really see much people talking about is how the villains counter with the story in it of itself. Bill and bells really show the true core of how the show is. Like how bill had a huge mystery element as in his history in it of itself is a mystery the one eye’d triangle represents the Illuminati and all that stuff. And Belos is a deep rooted character who is very serious. These characters both show aspects of the show that they are from. Toh being a very somewhat serious show and gravity falls having a huge mystery element which may or may not have been left purposely left out for fans to theorize.
bill wins
the core a planetary god vs another planetary threat vs hyperversal when the barrier is broken
That's a really weird way of spelling multiversal
@@matteoassignon8000it's different... weirdmageddon bill is multiversal, 1:33 the bill there is broken barrier bill, so hyperversal.
You know this seems pretty accurate honestly Dana even mention that even without the shortening of the show she never was going to make the collector the main villian of the show and it was always going to be philip and I got to say they did him correctly he is menacing, never jokes around, also looks toward his own goal and manipulated an entire realm into thinking he was a messenger to the Titan, I know the Core did that as well but at least they kept their loyal memebers safe in their hive mind while Belos has corpses onto of corpses of Caleb's/Hunter's
I was wondering if belos was going to possess the collector, but if that happened it would just be bill again.
@@TJ-hg6op The Collector was never supposed to be a thing until Disney had Season 3 shortened to three episodes.
@@ryankwon8785 I doubt that, I never heard anything about that before
You mentioning not having seen DuckTales and Star Vs had me thinking of other shows I'd reccomend. A lot of people tend to sleep on 2 of my favorite shows, simply because they aired on Disney Jr, Sofia the First and Elena of Avalor. They're very much like MLP:FIM, in that while they are made for younger audiences, they're still written in ways anyone can enjoy regardless of age or gender. There's also tons of interesting villains too, like Cedric, Ash, and let's not forget that Shuriki kills Elena's parents and tries to kill many others on screen. There's lots of interesting lore, the music is super good, and they even touch on things you don't see a lot in media like the difficulties of being a step family, elitism, and insecurity. And the character growth of character like Amber and Cedric is *chef's kiss.*
No one is as beautiful as Bill
I have to say bill is the best villain and ready to show what he got! ❤😁
The final boss for the core was a bit anti-climatic, imo.
My favorite is Bill Cipher.
8:27: That's fair.
I honestly think it was Bill but in second place would be Belos
Is that music I'm hearing in the background what I think it is~
2:21 Technically, Bill was never defeated. He was only forgotten in Stanley’s memories.
for me, a good villain will always be the one who can give the biggest amount of trauma to the protagonists, so belos is an easy pick for me
1 - traumatized luz by almost making sure she wouldn't be able to go home (i know it was her who destroyed the door, but she only did because belos had it)
2 - traumatized hunter by simply making him at a basement, and also killed every other version of him that he had made, quick mention about the scene where belos says to hunter that he only wanted to help him, while half of hunter's body is covered in the draining spell, and also, flapjack
3 - traumatized willow, gus, amity and hunter by almost destroying the one place that they spent months trying to get back to
4 - traumatized all of the boiling isles by almost killing everyone
5 - traumatized eda by almost turning her into a statue (if this happened it would probably traumatize luz, king, lillith and raine)
i honestly think this guy would be able to traumatize hooty if he had a chance
Belos is definitely my pick!
What I liked about the core is how slow its build up was. Because by the first temple we knew andrias was evil and thought he was thefinal villian. Than he called this giant eye thing his lord which sparked a wave of theories. Oh plus we didn’t even know its name. We decoded a prophecy in a book from the shows made up language to see blah blah blah to expell the night. So we named this thing the night until we had a proper name. The build up was so hype but its worse on rewatch
Bill is probably the best character. He's fun and has a lot of dark sinister moments and is a character I haven't seen done right in any other show but as the best villain, Belos. Bill is great and incredibly menacing but Belos having a much more active role in the plot and more personal connections to the main cast make him a greater antagonist. Core is also there but let's not pretend their on the same level as these 2
if this video does get updated, I wouldn't include Star vs The Forces of Evil because the guy who you'd think would make a good final boss dies in the 3rd season and the boss at the end of s4 is by far the least intimidating and least threatening final boss of all Disney shows. Imo, at least, it would make for a waste of effort to update it with that show
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Ok why does the background music sound like rodan's theme in kotm?
Bill, bill, Bill, Bill, Bill cipher the triangle guy!
I think Bill is the best one, for he's the scariest, most charismatic and powerful of the three.
Honestly, the Core was lackluster and kinda stupid, at least Belos and Bill had a established goal instead of just "conquer, if that fails destroy Amphibia"
Bill cipher will never be beaten ever
Id say Bill Cypher or Belos/Phillip Whittebane
I'd give anything for an Owl House-Amphibia-Gravity Falls crossover sequel series. What would you want to see in one?
Sounds pretty cool but I wouldn’t even know how that would even work.
Omg this video was the best villain theory ever cuz most videos they say that they like the strongest cuz is the most existed part of the show or what ever but most people I met that know about things like gravity falls or owl house they say that they like bill more cuz he is strong and powerful but I think belous is unique but in a good way cuz it gives owl house that kind of dark vibe that the show is going to be scary and when we get to know belous back story oh boy I have no words cuz it’s really really dark back story and that’s all I have to say hope u like my script bye ✌️
Gravity Falls was great and Bill Cipher was very memorable. "Dreamscaperers" first aired July 12, 2013. That's nearly 10 years ago!! The fact that we still remember Gravity Falls after 10 years is testament to how good the show was.
I think a lot of people tie their emotions and feelings for a chararcter to the show itself and when asked which is the best villain, may as well be asked ""Which is the best series?"
That's where I think a show like "The Owl House" falls down. As a result of its unfair cancellation, the entire final series was reduced to 3 episodes, which (in my opinion) soured the finale. I personally think that the final episode of "The Owl House" was disappointing. It had too much to wrap up in 45 minutes and was derivative of other series. Luz dying and being resurrected was almost identical to Anne's death and resurrection. The only difference was that Luz got a powerup after resurrecting.
Belos was a good villain, but I think Bill was better. He set the groundwork for all future villains to come. Don't forget, both Matt Braly and Dana Terrace had previously worked on Gravity Falls and both series were heavily inspired by it. Bill was the OG Villain that everyone still remembers.
Trust me, no one remembers the villain of "Star vs. the Forces of Evil" for very good reasons!
I do think that the owl house ended its show pretty well for the short amount of time it got. And even though I love bill, I feel belos is probably still a better villain. He is much more real than the others. An evil triangle, a malevolent hivemind, and a bigoted idiot from the 1600s. While bill is known for manipulation, we really didn’t actually see much manipulation from him to the degree of stanford treating bill like his god, which we only heard about for very little time. Belos manipulated an entire civilization and made it convincing at that, also really, Belos got far more screen time than bill. Bill actually only starred in very few episodes, and only appeared in others as the background or subtle hints. There are a variety of things that help boost belos in comparison, but I still think they are relatively equal with belos just barely taking the edge. Also the core isn’t really even close to as good as the others, but still is a fine villain.
Gravity falls (other than the wendy stuff and stan easily getting his memory back) is probably a better show than the Owl House, but only because owl house was forcibly cut short.
Ducktales is actually a really great show, and I recommend you watch it!
I found that those 3 have an irregular amount of eyes
I understand a lot of tropes you use like how the core was a bit underused and how bill is very mysterious but although I really like belos,bill cipher just clicked on me, I love the chaos he desires and how much of a threat he poses although he and all the other villians really lose to plot armor but one problem I have with belos is how much of a joke he seems like compared to the collector because the collector makes him look week and that was a nitpick I had while you can already tell how insanely powerful bill is and how superior he is compared to the gravity falls citizens and how he one shot time baby so the stakes seems really high for gravity falls against bill cipher compared to belos vs luz
I agree with this video wholeheartedly. Whilst Darcy (Or the core if you wanna call it that) is a very charming yet still threatening villain, they're a surprisingly wasted character that had so much more potential than what actually got utilized, part of which is their horrid lack of screentime.
Bill cipher is endlessly iconic and an absolute riot of bizarre, eldritch comedy on top of still being extremely menacing and a humungous looming threat the entire series, but still doesn't have the largest screentime in the world and the thing with that extremely convenient weirdness feedback loop barrier thingy that doesn't allow him to get out of Gravity Falls (Well I guess when you create an utterly overpowered villain you also need to come up with a plot-convenient way to defeat him). Still, aside from these relatively minor nitpicks, bill has basically perfect writing. His voice-acting (from the impeccable Alex himself, of course) is phenomenal, the pacing and the way he gets introduced, immediately beginning to be chaotic as all hell is very well-executed, all of his appearances are fun yet haunting, the way he still acts as a looming threat and influences the characters' actions EVEN when he's not on screen a single second in an episode is not something many series do but something that is always commendable, and infinites more that makes Bill a near-perfect character, but that's the thing, a near-perfect *CHARACTER.* As I villain, I still have to give an upper hand to ol' Philip Witterbane.
Belos, whilst not having the same perfect writing that bill has and not being a near-perfect _character,_ as a _villain,_ a huge threat that the protagonists have to take down, Philip is as perfect as one can get. I could talk about him and what makes him such an amazing antagonist for hours upon hours, but y'all already know the gist of things. His backstory is amazing, so is the way we learn about it (A plethora of paintings telling a deep story in Hollow Mind and as a legend in Thanks to Them), he represents a huge threat *AND* gets introduced from the start (At least relatively, bill got introduced in the finale of the first season too but then was static for the majority of the second, whilst Belos was a key player in the second season AS WELL as the first), so he has more time to be evil and do evil stuff, he is also almost as mysterious as bill cipher for the majority of the show and gets more and more revealed about himself (in a greatly executed way of course), and although I said he didn't have perfect writing, his writing, especially as a villain, is still beyond top notch and absolutely how a fantastic, brutal, menacing and serious villain should be written. And most importantly of all, what sets him apart from the other two, and something that was already mentioned in the video, is just how grounded and down to earth he is compared to _a moon-posessing amalgamation of evil geniuses_ and _a floating cosmic dorito that can obliterate dimensions,_ despite not being any less powerful than the aforementioned villains, which are obviously complete fiction with almost no humane and realistic materials to them. Belos, despite being an extremely powerful dictator posessing abilities no other human could even imagine grasping, is at his core, a man, a man with twisted morals and twisted goals, influenced by the dark times he had to grow up in. He has extremely relatable and humane elements to him like no other Disney show villain has or could even dream of having, and that is what *also* makes him the greatest villain of the three discussed in here, in my personal opinion. Fell free to disagree, of course. Not like my (Or Marngel's) opinion is anything definitive or inarguable...
I agree that Belos is the best villain out of the bunch and I daresay the best written villain in a long time, at least in my experience. While he was more down to earth than the other villain examples, he was a haunting villain. As the video stated he murdered his brother, wanted to commit genocide, and manipulating everyone for centuries. In the beginning of seeing him he seemed almost bored with his rule, as if nothing could challenge him, but in reality he just had so much contempt for the people that he ruled over that he was eager for the Day of Unity to be rid of them all. His face reveal wasn't done in a climatic battle, instead it was done casually during a speech which was just more disturbing for the viewers as it just made him seem so normal despite what we knew. And while he didn't succeed in his goals, he came considerably close twice and the destruction he made lasted in the Boiling Isles for years.
I like all of them, but the Core at the end was really weak because we only really see Andrias’s father in it, so we don’t get a good feel on who else is in the hive mind. And even if it was just Aldrich, the helmet never speaks on its own, so once it’s off of Marcy, the intimidation factor is lost.
Just finished binge watching amphibia and getting ready to binge watch the owl house, and first best three days of my life, and second I should've watch these shows while it was airing. But its a good thing I started now, better late than never. But I only have one question, should I make a video talking about these two shows completely.
Belos for sure. Killed his own brother, and created tons of clones of his brother over a couple hundred years just to kill once they disobeyed. He was the only villain to start out a normal person but killed, tricked, and manipulated to the top just to control. He even cut his own ears to add to his disguise. he manipulated an entire population and destroyed his own body. all for the reason of trying to get back to earth and be a hero for killing every single witch. he even tricked the collector into helping him commit genocide, which was like an immortal powerful being. he possessed multiple people, slowly eating away at their bodies in the process. and out of the three villains here, was the only one that never made me laugh, and gave me chills. a human who wanted to be a hero, but basically lost his mind and destroyed himself. Also out of the three, was showed to have very long-lasting effects on the world, and the minds of his victims. he was able to make Luz hate herself and think she was just as evil after speaking face-to-face with her a couple times. Belos is one of the best villains I've ever seen on tv
Bill is the final boss,it’s because we’ve never seen his true power,maybe you can say belos because we never saw his full power,but he did go in the titan,also bill didn’t get outsmarted,he was just being arrogant,bill also NEVER CARES about what he does,he destroyed his own family and dimension and he didn’t even care.I love all three shows just bill is more chaotic and a better villain out of all of them in general,belos is in close second because he’s such a good villain,bill is a good character,and a good villain,belos also has a better death out of all 3
The idea of belos is really cool. You could say kinda the same with the core, but belos was really the only one that was just a regular guy who became a god, at-least the most human. Also I love his main shtick. A monster who transformed themself into an actual monster, as a goop. And this goop can possess, transform, and more. Like a bacteria, where even if you kill 99% of it, it will still stick around one way or another.
For me it depends on what kind of villain I'm looking for. I consider Bill and Belos equally effective, but for completely different reasons.
Both are powerful and utilize deceit to make their way to power. Both are incredibly threatening but, again, for different reasons. Bill has insane reality-bending powers and is essentially an insane trickster god. Belos, alternatively, does not have godlike abilities but the way he oppresses and slowly corrupts is just horrifying. There's also the extreme shift in personality; Bill loves to laugh maniacally and give sassy one-liners. Belos is more subdued and eerie, perceptive and terrifyingly patient. It's chaotic "deals with the devil" vs manipulation tactics that wear on you. There's also the fact that Bill is very much tied to fiction as there's no fear of running into him in the real world, so you can sit back and enjoy his shenanigans despite it being terrible. Belos, however, is a haunting reminder of the villains throughout our actual history, making his every action cause your skin to crawl.
Basically, if I want genuine (albeit graphic) fun and iconic scenes to go back to, Bill is my favorite. But if I want darker themes with complex undertones to analyze, Belos is my favorite. As for The Core, I'll admit I haven't really watched Amphibia, so I can't say much on that.
I love how they made people think bill was a one of and then next time we see him he possesses dipper
Personally, Bill.
Bill is the best by far he destroyed the 2nd dimension with his own sheer power he nearly destroyed Gravity falls and everyone in it he does everything like a game or a joke he invaded and nearly destroyed Stanley's mind and he possessed a child.
bills the funnier one but belos is better as a character and maybe even a threat
Belos has more motives and is more realistic that bill but bill is a WAY bigger threat, he destroyed a entire dimension
Bill is a more powerful threat, but you know very well he isn’t going to destroy the world.
Belos.. well.. most of us have seen the Star Vs finale, so it was much more plausible for the isles to be destroyed.
1. Unlike the other villains who were born with power, Belos used his own intelligence to work his way up to power and nearly won if not for divine intervention (Collector and Titan). He was at his lowest point two times and still managed to achieve power all the same.
2. I wouldn't call Bill Cypher a villain but an antagonist because he is just a towering interdimensional entity who treats humans similar to how humans treat insects and ants.
3. Andreas is a great villain but he is overshadowed by the Core who treats him as a lackey. Adding the Core as the main villain removes Andreas' authenticity as a villain.
Bill had the best climax, but belos had the best build up
I do think if owl house had more episodes, belos could probably have a relatively equal climax.
The way Stan and Ford defeated Bill was by luring Bill to where he is weak and eradicating that place and Bill with it. It took a combination of Ford's knowledge of the supernatural and Stan's skills as a con artist.
Belos being defeated by the Collector in the end of season 2 was terrifying combined with the music and all
I think there's another atribiute that all of those "Fianl Boss" Disney Villains share, outside being at one point gods, possesing children, etc. And it's that they have "Manipulated" other characters or played with their wants and needs to get what they wanted.
- The Core tried to press the idea onto Andrias that if he managed to conquer earth and fix it's mistake on losing the music box, he could join him alongside it's ancestors
- Bill Cipher makes deals with other characters (Like Dipper) on that he'll help them get what they want (Maybe my wording is bad, i hope you get my point, there's a video of youtuber Diregentleman explaining more about it and defetively better, if you want to see it, here it is: czcams.com/video/-HGyIuumn5Q/video.html)
- Belos does manipulate almost everyone, either being lilith on bringing his sister eda so that he can "cure" her curse, hunter on the neverending cycle of death for "disobeying" him, or the entire boiling isles either on the idea of the covern systen, the sigils (or whatever they put that restricts the user's magic) and the day of unity.
Bill cypher is the best villain sadly though they removed his villain song
about the final bosses from the other 2 shows you mentioned in the beginning
DuckTales 2017, Bradford Buzzard, a very intresting villain
and the final boss of Star vs, is... tricky, cause it seems the final boss is magic itself, for some reason?
I think it mightve been star??
@@RainbowNifftywhat are you on?
@matteoassignon8000 what do you mean? star committed mass genocide by destroying magic which is the primary source for lots of things in mewni
@@RainbowNiffty we don't have enough evidence of Star commiting genocide,people like Pony Jead,Tom,Father Time and Laser Puppies are still alive!
@@RainbowNiffty That would still be stupid since the show estabilished Star as the main character!
Bill is the coolest villain
Belos is the best written villain
And The Core has the most interesting concept as a villain
I think Belos is the coolest, because he is never funny and just pure terror the entire time
Bill is the best written, because of his internal struggles and desire to destroy existence as a whole
And the Core is lost potential imo
For me, if I had to rank the three I would put Bill at the Top, Belos in a close second, and the Core in last. My reason is that, unlike Belos, Bill is absolutely unsympathetic which to me is rather refreshing in this day and age. While the argument can be made that Belos is a sympathetic villain due to how he loved his brother but his fear of sorcery turned him into that which he sought to destroy. He is definitely one of the best sympathetic villains for me alongside Mr. Freeze and some incarnations of Megatron. Bill, on the other hand, has no such argument and Bill is often for me a more timeless figure. Bill serves as the embodiment of evil itself in Gravity Falls while the Core is the culmination of a collective need for survival. Belos is a truly fascinating character and can be considered a tragic character in someways as he ultimately brought about his own demise while he can be seen as a representation of the manifestations of history's greatest horrors, I think Bill does this in a way that is much more potent then Belos ever could. I believe that we often forget that there are people out there who simply do terrible things just because they can and to top it all off, they know it is wrong but they do it anyways. Where Belos is blinded by his own fears, Bill is not and revels in what he does similar to Frieza from Dragon Ball, the Joker from DC, the Green Goblin Marvel, and Homelander from the Boys.
However, what can also make for a great villain is how you defeat them. For me, if your going to kill off a villain, I've felt that villains like Dio Brando, Light Yagami (the manga version of him that is), DCAU Darkseid, and TFP Megatron are gold standards for killing off villains as they were satisfying by either having their major flaw be the thing that undid them, the thing they're after is what brings them in, or something they didn't count on brought about their end in a satisfying way. In the case of Belos, this is where he is weakest as I believe that it wasn't as satisfying as it could have been and thus felt less like a moment of extreme catharsis and more of a moment where the audience goes "nice" in my opinion. The Core shares a similar problem as I felt that when its connection to Marcy was cut, the Core would react in a similar manner to a computer where its software is corrupted leading to losing its sanity and going on one final rampage to be put down. However, that's not to say it didn't accomplish that but it came close to it as it felt more satisfying to see Marcy freed. As for Bill, what made his so satisfying is how his demise was portrayed. As you stated, Bill's arrogance was his own downfall. However, that was just the start. Bill's erasure was made all the more satisfying because it both came full circle by having Stanley, Bill's first victim in the series that we see, is the one that puts him down. On top of that, the very method he uses to control a situation, making deals, is useless as the one being given the deal needs to be in a position of desperation or weakness to be able to possibly accept it. However, Bill, the guy who makes the deals is the one that's desperate while Stanley is not and thus rendering Bill's deals useless as he cannot make a deal where the one who is desperate is himself because he can't make a deal with himself and thus all he can do writhe in agony as his body contorts, shifts, and breaks apart due to the erasure before Stanley delivers the final blow that ends Bill's reign of terror for the time being.
For me, what makes villains like Belos, the Core, and Bill stand out is what they get right and they all do that. Belos is a villain with an understandable but warped motivation to avenge what he believes is his brother's corruption by destroying the Boiling Isles and its inhabitants. The Core is a villain that is driven by only the need to survive while Bill causes trouble for the fun of it. They also have powers that make them extremely dangerous in some way or form and all have satisfying defeats to varying degrees. However, what makes Bill unique is that he is the most unsympathetic villain of these three, he is also the most terrifying given his personality, and unlike the other two, the most cathartic moment of his defeat is at the very end of his life. Where Belos and the Core's defeats were most cathartic when Luz pulled Belos out of the Titan's heart and Sasha severed the cable to free Marcy. Bill's defeat was most cathartic when he was erased from existence. For me, the most important things that make a good villain are these things, characterization, presence, and impact. For me, only Bill gets them all right every time. Belos always has an intimidating presence and interesting characterization but sometimes his cathartic moments are limited. While his impact on the series grows over time, I don't think it really takes center stage until after Luz and Lilith rescue Eda. The core is in a worse position as its presence and impact are limited by its lack of screentime which didn't let the Core establish itself as well as it could have. On top of that, its impact is only limited to the second and third seasons of Amphibia. However, Bill for me does all of this right as his characterization is instantly recognizable to the audience due to his personality and design, he carries an intimidating presence every time he is on screen, and his impact on the overall story is felt throughout the entire series and even after his "death" in the series finale. By accomplishing these three things consistently, Bill, to me, cements himself as the best "final boss" villain of the three.
For me, I don't even see Belos as sympathetic. He reminds me a lot of Frollo in the sense that he's a religious zealot who hated a group of people and wanted to murder them in cold blood. Both of them look after a boy, who they abuse and neglect. Belos just lacks the lusting for an underaged girl thing...which I'm not complaining about. I think he's pitable to a degree and his motive is understandable in a warped sense, but I never sided with him or even saw the good in him at any point. He's just a human monster. But, idk, that's just me. We can both agree that Bill is an amazing villain in his own right and his death was well done.
@@sorcerersapprentice I respect that. I just think that Belos has some qualities that make one understand the way he thinks.
Bills the only scary one just because how hard he is the defeat and the doubt
Bill because he might come back and if you don’t believe me watch his defeat in reverse
There is no argument to be made whatsoever here, bill is by far the best in all categories.
It would be amazing if Belos stuck onto kings foot, his inside his body until he became a giant titan, then took control of him