22lr for defense. Revolvers are a must. LCR and LCRx
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- čas přidán 25. 08. 2020
- Discussing why revolvers are ideal for 22 caliber and how 22 caliber can be the right choice for self defense. discussion of revolver simplicity of use, reliability, and concealability. Discussion of best 22lr ammunition for self defense along with reliability of 22 ammo and semi automatic 22 pistols.
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Love how Rhett's recommendations for defense are either small accurate shots with .22lr or blowing out half of a chest cavity with a 12 gauge.
That's pretty much my philosophy, come to my door, it's over, street problem, I just want to escape.
@@manoloborja388 probably the smartest legal strategy as well lmao
@@manoloborja388 That's some prophetic shit dude. Love it.
9mm will blow your lung out of your body.
He reccomnds 5.56 and 7.62x39.as well.
Thanks Lucky Gunner for recommending this channel.
Yeah. For real.
Finally someone not obsessed with expansion.
.380, .32, .25 and .22 you need to go deep and accurate. Either that or you need volume of fire, more then 6 or 7 holes. Obviously rifle is king and pistols suck so the difference between a Gold Dot .45 and a ball .22 is minimal compared to a rifle and even a .44 magnum.
This is the most awesome presentation for 22LR in a revolver for self-defense ccw. I'm a certified NRA firearms instructor and have always recommended a 22LR or 22WMR relover to carry for protection. Your presentation was spot on. Revolvers are more reliable than semi-auto and the revolver has just the correct amount of capacity to stop the spray and pray shooting. To all here, note that every bullet that leaves the muzzel has an attorney and a judge attached to it. Self-defense is to STOP the threat. Great video.
Exactly why I got a Ruger 22lr 8 shot with a 3 inch barrel.
LCRX ?
Another gem, your out of the box thinking is incredibly refreshing and rare.
LWRoad Thanks much!
Couldn't agree more
Spot on. Shot placement beats bullet caliber every time. Plus, the low recoil makes it much easier to shoot accurately. The low cost of ammo means you can practice more often. Practicing more often means you will become a much better shot. I have named it the avalanche effect. All of the advantages start compounding. It makes sense to me.
Paul Harrel carries a silly little mouse gun that is both accurate and reliable. That man can shoot a .44 magnum with as much recoil recovery as most people shooting a .32 auto.
@@john-paulsilke893 but we're not all as experienced as he is. I'd much rather have a .22 I could connect with than a 9mm that I can't hit anything with because it's the first time I've shot my 30 dollar a box rounds.
@@john-paulsilke893 but if you can get to that point, knowledge and experience beat equipment just about every time.
@@john-paulsilke893p
You can be very good with 22lr and still struggle with 9mm and other heavier calibers.
Something about your thought process and presentation makes you one of the most unique points of view in your field. Love your work.
I carry a 22 mag. Realatively cheap to practice with and practice is the key !
You’ll almost certainly never need it. And being small, handy and light means you will have it if you do need it. A Shield or G19 are big enough to get left behind.
In the 1986 FBI Miami Shootout the one of the agents shot the killer perfect central shot in the torso, the bullet expanded perfectly... and penetrated fairly deep but stopped JUST SHORT of reaching the heart. They lost a lung but their other lung was working, their heart was working, they weren't out of the fight. For the next 35 years people have kidded themselves that the problem was a lack of expansion when if that million dollar bullet had failed to expand at all it would have gone right through his heart and stopped the fight much sooner.
Miami Shootout was definitely an interesting case study. The shot you are referring to was far from perfect though. It went through his arm, rib, and lung before stopping shy of the heart. It was the impetus for law enforcement moving toward the 40 SW and away from both revolvers and the 9mm. As most targets are moving or shots are taken at angles and have to go through flesh and bone to get to vitals. Very rarely does a target present itself straight forward and still like the man size targets we are all accustomed to shooting at the range. These days law enforcement for the most part has moved back to the 9mm. Personally though, I'm more of a revolver guy myself.
@@mrmann44 " Very rarely does a target present itself straight forward" actually in most shootings they do!
@@mrmann44me too, I am left handed and left eye Dominant.
@@mrmann44 "The shot you are referring to was far from perfect though. It went through his arm, rib, and lung before stopping shy of the heart."
. Those are all very likely to be in the way of the vitals. When a weapon is raised in anger, it tends to bring arms up over the chest area. It was no freak occurrence, in terms of area it's about a 50-50 probability.
The extensive consultation and research did not actually directly say "you need a big bullet like 10mm lite / 40-cal" what they actually concluded was "you need this much penetration (expansion just doesn't matter)". The issue came when the FBI top brass said "nah, I still want expansion" and with bullet tech of the 1980s "well, what have we got that will give good penetration through all barriers AND will expand" the only cartridge that fit that requirement was 10mm Norma. Though it was a "lite" load that was replicated in .40 S&W.
One thing you have to consider is the FBI study was NOT to evaluate how recoil affected accuracy. They were told "just sort out the terminal ballistics concern" but in that gunfight the vast majority of rounds fired completely missed. Most of the bullets that hit were not to the vitals.
All the fuds are going crazy...lol. Great video. I love 22lr.
100% in agreement with everything you mentioned.
One thing about the bullet surface area, a doctor who specializes in gunshot trauma, mentioned that sometimes the bigger surface area has a better chance of tearing an artery. I will take the trade of because I can shot place faster with less recoil target reacquisition .
bros 22lr is a vicious deadly beast, please never underestimate the 22/22lr or the 22mag.
I have a S&W 43c, love my 22lr revolver. My calculus was; carry gun must be light or you don't carry..... the lighter the gun the higher the recoil..... this must be mitigated as accuracy is paramount..... recoil is reduced by lowering caliber..... lowering caliber increases ammo capacity..... 22lr fits the bill and ammo is plentiful and cheap - S&W 43c :)
LCR is a little bigger and I wanted pocket carry, only reason I chose the S&W.
I wish it wasn't so expensive though
I used an identical conclusion. Got down to the LCR or 43c. 43c was noticeably lighter so 43c won. 8 rounds of .22lr always with me is better than any larger caliber left at home.
My 43c is back at Smith and Wesson right now for timing issues. If they don't fix it well I am going to get the 22lr Ruger LCR.
@@alexw.1105 S&W doesn't make them nearly as good as they used to.
I need a 43c in my life.....next week.....
I`m glad I came across your video before I made a purchase . I`m disabled and looking for a pocket carry 22 lr . I was leaning towards the Ruger LCP semi-auto . After hearing your comment on the hammer of a revolver covering more surface of the rimfire cartridge , it makes a lot of sense . I`m now going to purchase the Ruger LCR revolver . Thank you !!
I have the LCR 22lr and I love the gun. Bought it when they first came out and I’ve shot thousands of rounds with no problem. Since it’s a rim fire, the trigger is a little strong, but easy to get used to. I’ve been considering the LCR in 22 mag, but ballistic reports indicate you don’t get the velocity with a 2” barrel. Lucky Gunner did a great review and ballistic test on a number of 22 lr’s, and the winner for penetration and a little expansion were CCI velocitor.
@@troxle1r you may want to try the new federal punch 22. I want to get one of these but I worry about the trigger. I’ve had a 642 but I don’t know how the triggers compare.
@@troxle1r How is the trigger now?
Get the S&W, much lighter, much lighter trigger pulls in my experience. I have the LCR with 16lbs trigger, also 1/3 heavier than the S&W. The Ruger light rack with the new spring kits would be excellent.
I'm a new subscriber to your channel. Thanks for sharing one of the more logical and factual approaches I have run across. Kudos to you on your presentation and research.
Thanks!
I appreciate the objective, data-driven approach to your content! It's really helpful! One of the best channels out here!
Paul Daniel thanks much!
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 B.S. The chances are that your attacker will have a larger caliber and more capacity. Why would you put your self at a disadvantage in a life or death situation??!!
Your agenda is noted and .22s were not designed for defensive use. They were designed for Rifle length barrels too, NOT PISTOLS.
All your 'Advice' in this video is complete lies and it could even end up with some people getting killed.
PS: Demonstrate these CON- C3PTS!
Very well presented. You went over all the pertinent factors I personally believe actually matter in self defense.
This was very informative. You did your homework!
Many people including professionals are brain-washed into thinking "expansion" and trauma are the elements of stopping mammals in a self-defense encounter and it's not. Bleed out penetration more important. The only NEGATIVE about 22LR isn't the caliber it's the quality of the round you use. Way too many bulk bought rounds fail. You have to use CCI Stingers or mini-mags for protection. And a revolver is the only way to go for that caliber as well. Great video it's REFRESHING TO HEAR SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THE FROG HE IS TALKING ABOUT.
Bro your review of self defense descriptions are perfect ! Way to go bro. Cos its true. The only thing Im worried about is " putting holes in blood carring vital organs " , witch is awesome.
Great video, I completely agree with your logic.
Thanks! Really enjoy my new lcr. Practice needed for sure to get tight groups.
I picked up a Ruger .22 mag LCR at a gun show. I thought what a perfect ladies gun so being the thoughtful husband that I am I bought it for my wife. But she didn't want it. Lucky for me I put a Crimson Trace laser sight on it which really exceeded my expectations. I can point and shoot very quickly from a compromised position. Even lying in bed. The only drawback is it only holds 6 rounds. So I bought an 8 shot Ruger lcrx with a 4 inch barrel. I carry them both everywhere I go. Never had an automatic that didn't jam at some point. I love my Rugers. Easy to carry. Cheap and fun to shoot. And deadly accurate. Dependable.
you do not carry them both everywhere you go
You are 100% right! Excellent video, thank you
New subscriber. Just found you last night. Great content and delivery and not so technical to fly over this old guys head. Revolvers are so unrated. I spent some time in LE back in the wheel gun days just prior to the switch to semi-autos in my department. My recommendation to anyone that has never owned a gun, is frail or weak, is afraid of recoil, is NEVER going to actually train or is just going to leave it in the night stand for the just in case.... get a revolver... a 22 or 22mag revolver. Everyone and their mothers are buying guns these days. My guess is most will never train and will not react to a malfunction properly in a stressful situation. I carry the S&W 351c Air light hammerless 22wmr.. 7 shots on most days. My Kel-tec CMR-30 is in my bug out kit. Also a great round to killing your dinner in a survival scenario. Again.. thanks for the great info. Look forward to more. BTW.. ordering the Proctor sling. Perfect for my AR9 SBR and I do not trust those quick release attachments 100%! Stay safe !!
Enjoyed your video, very well thought out with good presentation. I carry a Taurus 941ul which holds 8 rounds of .22 mag. Good job
Great info. Thanks again man
Great video ! Thanks for the information. Stay safe out there.
I personally carry a 22lr for self protection up here in Montana. Have zero issue with the 22 Rimfire for this role. When being shot. From a good old reliable revolver. Thanks for the information
My wife and I carry 22lr LCR (hers) and LCRx 3" (mine) and train extensively with them (1-2 visits to the range per week). We've recently switched from CCI Minimags to Velocitors. These Rugers are magnificent EDC's and we can put 8 shots anywhere on the assailant regardless of draw hand. My gal hides hers in a CCW garter most of the time and Sticky makes a great IWB holster for my LCRx 3". We have, shoot, and carry a big selection of 9mm, but our favs by far are these sweet rimfire revolvers!
How do you train / What does a training session look like?
Wish I could afford the range twice a week.
Excellent presentation
Dang, that 3" barrel model looks sweet with the boot grips
Excellent advice here. Thanks for sharing 👍🏻🤠
Enjoyed the video. Thanks.
Thank you it’s all about shot placement!!
IT'S ABOUT TIME someone said it! Expansion is great if you can get it, but punching a hole ten inches into a bad guy will stop him 99% of the time, no matter what caliber. And if you can't control the direction of your snubby barrel, it won't make any dang difference how big the slug is.
I've been watching this channel for about a year now, and I just subscribed! Thumbs up too, and I've been sharing your content with LOT'S of normal folks at the Nevada Tesla Gigafactory! I hope that helps a little bit.
I want something that works WELL at 10 feet or less. That's what I practice at. For example filling up your car with gas and some jackass tries approaching you. That kind of stuff. Better yet, under 4 feet
Good job explaining
Good reasoning. I agree.
All about the dynamic of things!
I have been telling my fellow brethren this for eons...
I'm glad that I watched this video. I was thinking of getting a .38 colt 4" revolver. I already have a low cost .22, 9 shot, revolver. I don't do ccw and would rather have a 4" barrel. I think that .22 will serve me well. I just need to practice firing fast with accuracy at 25 yds or less. Thanks for the info on penetration
Per my FiL, so called "mouse guns" have filled many a six foot deep hole. Also, bullet technology has taken old concepts and breathed new life into them. I like this perspective, and am strongly considering rebuilding my EDC around a small frame, light 22 LR revolver.
This guy is my idol!
I picked up a S&W 63-5 because I agree with all of your statements:)
Plus...Fun for the whole family!
I am considering getting a s&w 63 with the 3 inch for self defense. Any thoughts
@@somedude4514 pick up a Speedbeez.com speedloader. They also carry IWB holsters.
It's a gun that you will actually carry all of the time. Great video.
Great video I agree with your philosophy with one exception. The m&p compact 22 for me has been excellent in reliability shooting the following ammo- cci of all types, Winchester super x, aguila, and blazer standard 22 lead ammo. Out of 2000 rounds fired I had one, failure to load (Winchester ammo). That personally is good enough for me to be in my carry rotation. I love revolvers and own a few, but the triggers on the rim fire revolvers are not to my liking. I have tried the lcrs and the smith/ Taurus versions in 22/22 mag. Thanks for a great presentation and I will look for more videos on this subject from you!
Nice! That’s well within acceptable. Excellent to hear there are some autos performing to standards. Thanks for watching!
Great video 🙌
I use 22 rifle and pistol for farm and ranch defense and I know from experience that they are capable of taking down some of the biggest animals that you will in counter. Mainly the larger wild hogs and coy wolf.
Great review.
Thanks
Great advice!
Good video, interesting take on this subject. New sub!
I had to send my LCR in 22 mag back twice to Ruger. Bought it new. Trigger locks up...Also spent casings are very difficult to eject.. Gonna get a Smith.
I have a Charter Amd 22 with 2 inch barrel...8 shot....excellent weapon...with outstanding customer care.
Thank You !!!
Agree shot placement is the key
Good info!
just found your account, enjoying the videos! Would love to hear more about the LCR vs 43c in 22. Scrolling through the comments now...
Great vid! I do agree about the reliability of the revolver for sure... Especially for a 22... because it just simply just doesn't have a lot of gas and pressure to run a semi as reliably as more conventional calibers. I did recently purchase one for a family member in her 70's now. Surprisingly the Taurus TX22. She broke her dominant hand a couple years ago and had surgery. That gun is a very gently machine... Have run 500 rounds of Aguila 22LR SuperExtra 40gr copper plated high velocity. Not a single problem yet. (it felt a little... sticky at first... but after 100 or so rounds it seemed to smooth out) My main rule with it is ... keep it super clean and lubricated. I am confident it will be reliable. She feels comfortable using it. Even she was a little skeptical if it was acceptable as a defense weapon... Till I showed her exactly what your talking about. I really appreciate your content. Honestly I think the main problem will be finding enough ammo to feed it... its a fun gun... and the shelves are awfully empty! Thanks again for the great post!
*edit* on the weekend I am planning to work with her on clearing a jam or misfire or stove pipe ect... waiting for some dummy rounds in the mail. Even though this gun has re-strike... I personally think its better to train to re-chamber a round immediately... rather than waste another .5 seconds trying to re-strike a dud. (another advantage a revolver has too lol! Anyway ... Many Blessings!
.22 mag out of a 4-5" Revolver.
Nasty little bullet.
.22 mag packs an awesome punch.
I'm still working on running a Walther PPK/s 22 lr through its break-in period. I have to say that it hits the rim with such force that you can see a definite crimp on the rim of the cartridge shell. The down side is that it is currently having issues with extracting some empty shells using a mixed bag of 22lr ammo. The Sig Sauer P938-22 shots flawlessly with the CCI ammo, but take into consideration that the CCI ammo is the best 22lr ammo that is out in the market.
Most of the .22lr auto’s out there are Walther’s branded as Sig’s, S&W’s and even Ruger’s if they are sims of existing full size guns. Heck even GSG, (German Sport Gun) are typically Walther’s, just lower QC and materials.
@@john-paulsilke893 Did not know that. The PPK/s now eats also everything that I put through it. Just needed a thorough cleaning and break in period.
I am currently having the same issue with my S&W .22 compact. As mentioned, many .22's are walter rebranded but the S&W compact is not (full size is though).
Not one FTF due to ammo, and my first two boxes were Remington Thunderbolt that was about 15 years old (don't ask).
Never underestimate the mighty .22lr
Trebor Kroy when it works, it works😉
No, this is NOT the 'dumbest thing ever'. Thank you for the info.
What is your reasoning for picking RUGER LCR over S&W 43C
You make such a logical argument for the 22lr. It makes me wander if the larger caliber guys give you static?
Thank you for such an informative video! Did you have to do any modifications to the boot grip to get it attached to the 3-inch LCR?
I think this just speaks more to the required level of training that is needed to be effective with different (or any) calibers. It’s not limited to just .22lr or handguns. You could say the same thing for long range shots with something like .50 BMG or 300 Win mag. You need to have trained enough to be familiar with the round’s performance on a particular weapon system. That’s really about as complicated as it gets.
From a theoretical standpoint, a .45 acp round might require less training to be effective on a single shot basis as it’s larger, more massive, and more destructive than a .22. But it’s also harder to shoot and control, especially under duress. From that perspective, .22 really does make more sense because it’s cheap and about as easy to find as it is to shoot. Coupled with good training, I’d wager you could be just as effective shot for shot with something like 9mm or .45-but again, it all goes back to knowing how the round is going to perform
Plus if the round doesn't go off, pulling trigger again rotates the cylinder for a new round - verses - semiauto have to perform 2 separate manual functions.
I think this would be a great gun to throw in a bug out/get home bag. Easy to carry a fair amount of ammo and super easy to hide and carry.
I have the 351PD, 351C, and have a 43C coming! Practice, practice, practice.
I'd like to know more info about how cheap ammo does . Thanks you know ammo is hard to come by and I was going to help with a first-timer gun buy .
I like your logic regarding .22 self defense. I own more .22's than any other caliber, gauge or bore, which doesn't really equate to your topic, just that I have plenty of options available for EDC carry. Keep up the relevant topic material & stay safe.
Almost 1,000 fps out of a 1.875” LCR with Velocitors? Wow! All I need to get now is the LCR-I’ve got a couple hundred Velocitors. I need to go to my LGS tomorrow. As another commenter here said, shot placement is everything.
Pick up some federal punch you get over 1,000fps out of the lcr
Considered lightening up the trigger spring a "tad" on these LCR's? I know they are quite heavy, a consequence of reliable rimfire ignition, but I would say they are beyond being reliable and into the "lawyer" zone of trigger weight.
I love your videos. I’ve been debating on getting either a 38 lcr or 22lr lcr. My only hesitation on getting the 22lr is the heavy trigger pull and how dirty the 22lr ammo is. I have short stubby fingers that don’t have a lot of strength in them.
Absolutely agree regarding penetration over expansion. Also, if you're not using electronic earmuffs with a shotgun or centerfire handgun, you're going to be deaf for awhile. Not so with a .22. Search youtube for comedian Bill Burr's take on a .22 for home defense.
You i am getting the lcr to go with my lcpii 22lr and mt lcrx 3 inch. Running the punch and segmented cci 1235 fps. Great info. Really making my ccw much more comfortable. Still keeping my 9s and ar style for SHTF situation but ragular carry teally starting to incorporate 22lr with confidence
Careful using the segmented stuff for anything but pest control. Very shallow penetration.
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I just bought a clear ballistic gel block and I am going to test Federal Punch 22lr in it out of a Smith and Wesson 43C. I like to see more people doing this stuff.
The LCR22 gave 14.5”-16” penetration.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 Was that through 4 layers of denim first?
I agree on the revolver. That goes for any rimmed cartridge. Rimmed cartridges like revolvers and tube magazines. Box mags can work, but, its a lot tougher to make them work mechanically and reliably.
I live in the woods, so I have to have more power for larger critters like feral hogs. So I run a heavier weapon. But, for street defense, yeah, it will probably work.
I concur!!!
Very good points. 22lr doesn't cycle reliably. In a revolver, your reliability is much better, but I don't dig the lcr/X's heavy trigger.
I know that I’m 2 years late but I’ll still add my 2 cents
John Hinkley used a 22 revolver & put 4 men in the hospital. Came within 2 inches of Pres Regan’s heart & left Brady in a wheelchair.
We got lucky. Thank You Sir
No one talks about how loud most rounds are. If you fire a 22 your ears won’t be ringing, which should make it easier to assess where any intruders are after your first shots. Why does no one talk about this?
It really is a taboo subject written off as ‘doesn’t matter’ and then people put suppressors on everything.
That makes sense. I’m in CA so I don’t think suppressors are an option for me. You didn’t mention the reliability of the longer barrel LCRX(?). Should it be the same as the shorter one?
The noise can permanently damage your ears too, especially if u r in a confined space like an elevator. .22mag is much louder than 22lr.
I love the .22 cartridge,
QUESTION? Can you interview someone that has been shot with that caliber? I think that'll be awesome so we ppl can know the mindset of someone at that time.
Much easier for a lot of people to use small revolvers than semi auto .
Punching holes... Well, how about that. 😂 .22 LR is a very under estimated round. I'm a former LEO and today an owner operator truck driver. My EDC is a 9mm S&W Shield. My bug out bag includes a 22LR revolver and 22LR take down rifle. Why 22 for bug out and survival? Easy lots of hollow point ammo and not the weight of big calibers. You can shoot 22LR quite rounds out of a rifle for hunting small game and it sounds like an air rifle. You can load CCI 22 stingers in a revolver for more punch than the standard CCI mini mag. Great video.
Its nice to find people on the web telling the truth about 22 lr for self protection its funny all the tactical ninjas out there wont let any one shoot them with a 22 to prove there idea that 22 wont hurt them great vid
Which gun are you using? Good video
right, I've had issues with every semi-auto 22LR I've ever owned.
Wonder what the expansion threshold is for CCI Velocitor. I 'd hope it would be around 1100 fps in order to ensure good performance out of a rifle at distance.
I have like 1100 rounds through my Glock 43 and probably 12000 through my lcrx. This makes me want to carry the lcrx.
I am seriously considering a Ruger LCRx in 22lr as a carry gun. 22 is plenty reliable in revolvers and I get 8 rounds capacity.
Great video as usual. I just wanted to ask you, do you prefer the 2” or 3” LCR for carry? Or asked another way, it the increased ballistics from the 3” worth the size increase? Thanks
I am only using the 2” now.
What are your thoughts on the new federal punch self defense ammo that they make. Overkill on the velocity? Would be cool to see you do a video on it. I’ve seen a few problems with it in other videos, but they are using semi autos so revolver would be interesting. Heard one person speculate that the nickel coating makes them too slippery for the extractor to grab easily.
Hello. I really like the information you provided. I have an S/W M&P 22lr semi-auto but as you said, I'm always concerned about the reliability of semi-autos and I am seriously pondering about getting a 22 revolver for HD/EDC, primarily because I do not like recoil and I can shoot more accurately and rapidly. I like the LCR 3" 22lr. Do you think it (3") is suitable for concealed carry? Thank you!
It’s doable, but the LCR22 2” with shrouded hammer is a far better choice.
You are slowly convincing me.
I know people that can't run a G19 with 124 grain jhp, but can run a 6, 8, or 10 shot .22 revolver. The revolver is fun to shoot and encourages practice, from both a fun and cost perspective. Plus, only hits count. The negatives come in when discussing roving bands of multiple criminals. Unfortunately, there are more of those, locally, than before.
I do not disagree with anything you said, I would just say that a hammer fired semi-auto is worthy of consideration as well. One of my every day carries is a 1911 in 22LR.
Me too 45 with a 1950 colt..22 conversion a great shooter.jim
I own a .38 special and was looking to buy a 9mm, but never thought of a .22 since it is a small caliber, now I am thinking about it...
The 9mm is considerably snappier than 38spl
I’d have to agree about 22 autos generally being problematic. But I’ve had really good luck with Ruger MkII and Mk III pistols, even with junk ammo, when they’re filthy. Super reliable. I think they’re sprung really conservatively, and overbuilt.
Have had lots of jams with 10/22s and S&W autos when they get dirty, ammo quality is iffy, especially in the cold.
Love the LCR. Mines a 9mm, just ordered your hook grips for it.
You’re amazing with this gun. What about federal punch? Only difference with more massive bullet is you’ll go through ribs and other bones. I assume 22lr won’t. That’s why I compromised with one less round but a 22mag 351C.