The Sword of Laban Was the Sword of Joshua!
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And delicious to the taste
But in the book of mormon it says mosses was translated
Don says alot of things as if they are facts but are in reality speculative at best. Hes wrong on a lot of things.
@@Mr.Ut21 what’s he wrong on?
@@Mr.Ut21 I’m waiting…
Almost 1/2 way through Don's book. Very enlightening and worth reading.
I was told once… that a Jewish member first seriously investigated the church when she read the teachings of Zenos in the Book of Mormon. She knew the teachings from Jewish scripture and knew Joseph would have NO access to those teachings or even just the name of Zenos ❤❤
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Holy cow that's pretty amazing!
Believe me, he knew. He was one smart cat.
I'm so glad that I purchased a Book of Mormon with 2" wide margins because, boy, did I have to take notes! How informative and interesting is this?!
Cardon doesn't realize how much he breaks up the spirit of what Don tries to teach. I remember the young men doing this to my husband who taught Sunday School. Super frustrating.
I'd love for Don Bradley to do a live stream where he could answer Super Chats
Been reading The Lost 116 pages!!!! Love it!
But in the book of mormon it says mosses was translated
Same.
Checking the scriptural references while reading the way it was intended (see Robert kay) I'm afraid has unlocked meaning that is truly shocking. There are many references to temple ordinances that I never realized. Prophets literally stating that the Lord told them not to write about them.
This is blowing my mind, and is simultaneously sending a warning for us to prepare.
Repent. Be humble. Seek Christ. Follow the spirit.
Sometimes I feel like I probably sound like the crazy lady standing on a corner screaming at people while rambling out some random verse...
Honestly, this stuff.... I can see why God told Joseph not to translate a sealed portion. This stuff is life altering / deep.
Thus we see that the Book of Mormon is more than euphemistically the stick of Joseph. It all started with him. Sweeeet....
Very good point. The different records started even earlier than we might have expected.
But in the book of mormon it says mosses was translated
Laban was named after Joseph's grandfather, the father of Rachel.
I need to listen to this again. Very fun!
This is fascinating information! Mind blown.
But in the book of mormon it says mosses was translated
@@scottishwarrior3547 Mosses was translated into what? Tiny plants?
I think he means like Elijah translated or taken up with out dieing . Is that what you mean ?
Just finished Don's book for the second time. It was just as good as the first time.
But in the book of mormon it says mosses was translated
My copy arrives today
@@scottishwarrior3547 Who is mosses?
I thought that about Moses for a long time. He was raised in Pharaoh’s Court
King Tut's Iron Dagger shows that rulers had fancy ceremonial gear. Makes you wonder whether Joseph's sword would have been in his tomb and recovered when they went to move his bones (presuming the theory is correct, of course).
Not only was Nephi the heir to these artifacts, but so was Joseph Smith because he was a literal descendant of Joseph of Egypt. So are all western Europeans through Ephraim.
I need Don on every episode 🤌🏼
But in the book of mormon it says mosses was translated
@@scottishwarrior3547 … what?
So glad I found you guys. Love your show. So interesting and uplifting! Thanks.
But in the book of mormon it says mosses was translated
THIS WAS AWESOME!!!! Hearing that the brass plates are a set of records specifically from the house of Joseph makes perfect sense! And that the Bible, Old Testament, that we have the Jewish Bible is the records of the tribe of Judah! This makes sense! I love it! Also the correlation to the sword of Joshua and the sword of Laban, and the sword that Joseph forges in Egypt Rings so true and is so cool and awesome! Thanks, Don, thanks, Cardon and thanks Brad for an amazing episode! I absolutely loved it!
It is extremely likely that any sword or weapon forged in Joseph's day was bronze/brass. They are cast in to a general shape, then hammer forged for strength, which drives out the voids and improves molecular alignment.
Terribly unlikely it was steel.
@@Mr.Ut21you just never know
There’s an old newspaper account of a speech by Sidney Rigdon which says JS found the sword of Gideon with the plates. I’d always assumed that was an error on the journalist’s part, but maybe not, given that Gideon was also a Josephite.
This makes my heart so happy!
A question for Don Bradley... With the death of Laban and Laban supposedly being a prominent figure in Jewish society at the time... is there any historical evidence aside from the BOM that correlates that death? It seems like something that would cause quite the stir. Just curious. It could well be outside the realm of possibility to confirm something like that but thought Don might be one of the best people to ask.
@@MemyzelphandI agree to disagree
I've often wondered why Nephi was told to put on ALL the clothes of Laban after he dispatched him, was Laban wearing something that Nephi needed other than to disgise himself to get the plates?
19 And after I had smitten off his head with his own sword, I took the garments of Laban and put them upon mine own body; yea, even every whit; and I did gird on his armor about my loins.
25:54 Just ordered _The Lost 116 Pages_ - arrives Monday!
But in the book of mormon it says mosses was translated
@scottishwarrior3547 I've seen you make this comment 3x now, but have no idea what your point is. Please elaborate.
Just a correction on the sword having a guard, many ancient weapons had crossguards or single guards/finger guards etc. even way back in the bronze era. Some Spartan swords had a small guard and some even older examples have been found with some primitive form of a guard so it's not a 1700s invention at all, guards as a mechanism in fencing is as old as fencing itself it seems.
So it sounds perfectly legit from that angle.
Love me some Don Bradley!❤😂🎉
But in the book of mormon it says mosses was translated
"why do you lie about us brad!" omg that took me OUT! lol. Love these historical dives!!
But in the book of mormon it says mosses was translated
@@scottishwarrior3547 Mosses grow in all kinds of places, like on manure, and near waterfalls.
Very cool possibilities. Always fun listening to Don
The legendary sword of Gideon, of the tribe of Mannasah, by which they defeated the Midianites.
I've often wondered if each tribe had their own brass plates.. or at least their own records which might be on metal plates or maybe on papyra in some cases.
Noooooo, you said we have a hard out coming up then ACTUALLY did that :( great episode!
This is so cool. I had a question about something related to this...When Nephi got the plates from Laban's Treasury what is the difference in this treasury vs a different treasury that could have been in a more centralized area under their Governments control? For example.....We don't hear of Laban much in other books but we do hear of some of the names Lehi mentions in the BOM like Zedekiah. I was wondering why Laban's name was not mentioned much when he had many things he seemed to be in charge of. Do we know of the other areas around them that had other purposes? The plates seemed to be important to Laban and to Lehi almost in a way to think they possibly did not have duplicates or other versions. Any info on this? I would be surprised if no one else was related to Joseph of Egypt.
But in the book of mormon it says mosses was translated
After the Assyrians invated Israel during the time of Isaiah about 100 yrs or so before BoM starts, alot of the Israelites fled back to Judah, apparently Lehi and Labans families were among them.
Laban was a sort of 'captain of the Guard', or a sheriff. Mayor type of Jerusalem. The issue during Zedekiahs reign was that he was instructed to not make an alliance with Egypt but to stick his alliance with Babylon (we see later with Daniel and Esther and others that the babylonians were receptive to the gospel, the Egyptians were not). Zedekiah made an alliance with Egypt anyways, which is why Nebuchanezar invaded Judah. He needed control or influence in that area, and would not give it up to Egypt.
But this happened some 15yrs AFTER 600BC. Laban was long dead by then, and his replacement long in place. Why mention him?
The Jews liked Egypt because they were worldly and the gods they worshipped permitted insane sin. The babylonians (again, as seen in Jeremiah and onward chronologically) were somewhat receptive to the gospel, and alligning with them politically would have permitted Judah to repent.
The treasury in the BoM was likely just the local, municipal one over which Laban had responsibility, or at least his friends did.
Very unlikely it belong to the King.
If Laban was a corrupt man, why would he not have his own 'bank acct' NOT tied to the federal treasury since given his robbery of Nephi and his family the man showed willingness to embezzle funds?
The 'treasury' was certainly not the kings. Or at least not everything in it was reported to his higher ups. How else would he explain every time he robbed someone to the king where the money came from?
Why ask these people who are simply speculating? You can sit down and come up with your own theory. That is what everyone is doing these days.
Wow just wow. Love the content gents!
And the flamming sword comparison:
to bring this sword to end of times when tree of life literally can be reached ...
Wow I loved this❤
This is a good theory. Thanks!
Muy interesante. Wow 😮
14:27 at the time of Abraham (Terra his father is Teru of Urkesh found in the Mari Tablets about 1750 BC) (Abraham about 1725-1575 BC range) to Joseph, Egypt was overtaken by a semetic population and there was a huge reinterpretation and altering of language and characters. Joseph would have been considered an Egyptian High Priest as a Statesman but Joseph would have a different interpretation than everyone else. Like us in a Catholic population.
Just saw the Magpul hat….outstanding.
Is there an audio book version of the lost 116 pages?
You guys really need to have Alonzo Gaskill on here.
14:08 that would make sense for Moses communicating with the Israelites but he wouldn’t need Aaron to talk to pharaoh when they spoke the same language. And I doubt the hebrews couldn’t speak Egyptian when they’d been enslaved to them for so long. I don’t know that that holds up to scrutiny. But it does make sense that Joseph could/would pass down Egyptian language with his kids since it was easier to write then Hebrew and he’d be so familiar with it.
The sword of Laban was made of the finest steel. That would have been well after the time of Joseph of Egypt.
Cardon really struggles with interrupting with nonsense. It’s like he feels inferior to the guests and has to compete for attention. Dude stop interrupting.
Just observing here, but it seems like he’s usually making an attempt to inject entertainment or reiterating what the guest says, probably to keep attention when things get boring, or like any good radio host does to keep attention and account for new listeners popping in.
Typically he does it well, sometimes a bit distracting I agree, but either way a necessary skill for any good radio host. Probably not out of insecurity, Cardon keeps up well with scholars on an intellectual level.
Been one of my favorite shows lately, quality guests and great form.
I have Don's book.
BofM 1 Nephi 5 calls the plates the record of the Jews twice rather than a record of the Josephites or Israelites. Also the 5 books of Moses were there from the tribe of Levi. Just a data point.
6 And after this manner of language did my father, Lehi, comfort my mother, Sariah, concerning us, while we journeyed in the wilderness up to the land of Jerusalem, to obtain the record of the Jews.
11 And he beheld that they did contain the five books of Moses, which gave an account of the creation of the world, and also of Adam and Eve, who were our first parents; 12 And also a record of the Jews from the beginning, even down to the commencement of the reign of Zedekiah, king of Judah;
For his use of the term Jew, Nephi uses it broadly to refer to the all Israelites back in Jerusalem (2 Nephi 33:8) and not just those of the tribe of Judah. There is other biblical use of Jew in the same generalized sense during roughly the same period as Nephi. -Daniel 3:8 for example
So Nephi’s description of the brass plates as a record of the “Jews” is entirely consistent with this video’s discussion of them possibly being a record of Joseph’s bloodline
You also have to remember that Nephi wrote his record several decades after they left Jerusalem. He did this because he was commanded by the Lord for a special purpose (1 Nephi 9:3) which Mormon also felt to include for an undisclosed reason as influenced by the Holy Ghost (WofMormon 1:7).
After the Ephraimite kingdom was quashed, the survivors who fled south with their record became nominal "Jews." They added the history of the Jews from that point on to their own Josephite record.
Two versions of scripture…
•the Judah version written from a Deuteronomist point of view
•the Joseph version written from a non Deuteronomist point of view
Shad from Shadiversity has something to say about the Sword of Laban.... Unless the Sword of Joshua was made of steel, (which if it's as old as Joshua in the Bible it likely wasn't), then it probably wasn't that particular sword. Steel goes back as far as 800 B.C. as far as we can prove archaeologically, but we may find steel goes back all the way to Egypt, just haven't yet.
steel historically did not alawys mean metallurgical steel like we know today. The word "steel" was used as a description of a very hard substance before metallurgical steel evolved.
google King Tut's dagger
Yes, this!
Check out Shadiversity’s video on what he thinks the sword of Labsn looks like.
Yes. I saw that video years ago. It was so interesting. When I saw this video I was hoping for more info on ancient swords.
*Looks down at my Harley Davidson shirt and my temple recommend. Looks outside at the Harleys parked under my window*
IS THERE AN AUDIOBOOK OF DON’S BOOK?
1 Nephi 4 "the hilt thereof was made of pure gold" & "the blade thereof was of the most precious steel."
Now, if the sword was cast in Egypt by order of Joseph, being in the time of the Bronze age, was likely iron ore extracted from meteorites. Consider that there was also a steel dagger found on the mummified body of King Tutankhamen that also came from the iron of meteorites. This would make sense because Joseph could afford to get it commissioned. Maybe because he did trade with so many nations during the great 7 year famine, this knowledge was also brought to Egypt and traded? On the other hand, maybe Joseph was inspired by the Lord?
@@MemyzelphandI Must be history flavoured then. Do you have an explanation?
@@MemyzelphandI You're correct. Iron was the correct description for King Tuts meteoric dagger and not steel. I've actually seen it and wow it's beautiful. I think my theoretical point was that if it was made by Joseph of Egypt, perhaps the Sword of Laban was the same of the same material being made at least 1000 years before King Tuts dagger. The word in 1Nephi 4 says describes it as precious steel but maybe it was the word chosen in the translation for our day that we would understand rather than "precious iron." Iron artefacts have been found from around 1800BC.
Wait a minute. What about the accounts of people seeing the sword of Laban in the cave of records, on a table, with an inscription on the blade? Did it rust away or not?
Maybe it's like Cumorah... there are two of them. 😊
If… you believe Joseph is an actual prophet, and that those with him are honest sincere men then… the sword is right now with Moroni, in the alternate cave, still unsheathed, still laying on top of the open scripture
If you do not… then it no longer exists due to rusting away over time
The choice is yours… as always, just the way Heavenly Father made it possible, from the beginning to be…
Cool theory.
7:46 I will FIGHT Brad on James K. Polk! I don't remember enough of my highschool US History class to make a coherent argument, but the Final Essay prompt was basically "Assuming Washington, Lincoln, and FDR were our three S-tier presidents, which four would you put in A-tier and why?" and I put Polk in that group along with Jefferson, TR, and Reagan. One of my specific arguments in his favor was "Love him or hate him, he kept his campaign promises."
Besides, Andrew Johnson was CLEARLY the worst.
Labans sword was steel. Joshua was WAAAAAYYYYYYY in the bronze age. No way it was made of steel. That would make Labans sword nearly a millennium and a half old at the time of Nephi. No way. Brass and gold plates were used specifically so they didnt rust/age according to BoM. No way a steel sword could survive that long. Not a chance.
Egyptian mummy tutankhaman was found with a steel dagger with gold hilt. You can look up this item with a simple internet search. This weapon is still in fine shape after at least 3000 years. Thus your opposing argument does not hold up.
@@deadcityhauntedhouse9132 thats not even an argument. His dagger was in a tomb that was perfectly dry and most everything there was perfectly preserved. What theyre talking about here is a sword that was ACTUALLY USED in real battles and then somehow preserved for generations even when the entire hebrew/judaic lineage apostosaized, was replaced by the appointees from Babylon, and 400 yrs when the tabernacle was in Shiloh during which time there were appointed judges and things were NOT generationally linear.
The oldest steel sword ever found is a rusted stick that is over a thousand years newer, and also found in the same perfectly preserved 'desert' conditions and its STILL a pos.
Labans sword was made from 'fine steel' in perfect condition when Nephi found it. It was carried around on the daily and therefore exposed to normal ambient elements and conditions.
I.e. NOT locked away in a climate controlled stone box like king Tuts.
Not. A. Freaking. Chance.
All he presented was pure speculation, anyways. No reason to believe what he presented is true, much less plausible.
@@deadcityhauntedhouse9132 and besides, it Labans sword really was Joshuas, that means that they kept the blade but got rid of the wooden or brass pommel and grip and had to CAST onto it a 'pure gold' one as described by Nephi.
Why not keep the entire sword intact if it represents some sort of linear power, and why would Laban have it? He was an appointee over Jerusalem (basically a governor) if it was to represent the power of the Judaic nation, why wouldnt the King have had it instead of Laban?
Doesnt make sense. When they moved the tabernacle from Shiloh to Jerusalem, why did the sword not fall in to the hands of either of the kings of Israel or Judah??
It doesnt make any actual sense.
What makes sense is Labans sword was new(ish).
And that Joshuas sword was brass. Like all the other swords and edged weapons in his day.
Nephi actually lived in the beginning of the iron age. JS couldnt have known that as it is just barely coming to light by archeologists.
Poking holes in anything is easy.
I’m curious to know how the Israelites were able to keep a sword while they were enslaved in Egypt
They weren't enslaved for most of their time in Egypt. In fact, they would have probably lived quite well having a familial relationship with the rulers of Egypt.
Also, they would have had a strong relationship with Shechem, their ancestral lands and province of Egypt. It may be that the sword was already in Canaan before the enslavement and Exodus.
Moses was from the tribe of Levi. Moses’ brother Aaron seed were the priests in the Temple.
Mormons know that Aaron was not of Joseph, but of Levi. He just said it wrong.
Wasn't Aaron a Levite?
Mormons know that Aaron was not of Joseph, but of Levi. He just said it wrong.
Am I missing something? Wasn’t Aaron from the tribe of Levi not Joseph? 🤨
Mormons know that Aaron was not of Joseph, but of Levi. He just said it wrong.
IM FIRST SUCKERS
I really like "The Lost 116 Pages", but one question I've had is why do they always refer to the sword as the sword of Laban if it's originally Joseph's sword?
Maybe because it compares to the sword of goliath for nephi
Maybe Nephi didn't know it was Joseph's sword
We don’t even KNOW it was Joseph’s sword. It’s just a super cool theory.
This would explain why Jews know of Messiah Ben-Joseph, but don't have the details about him, they were on the records kept by Ephraim, but taken by Nephi. I tried to buy The Lost 116 Pages before Christmas, however I couldn't find a copy anywhere. On the channel The Stick Of Joseph, those brothers found a guy with a steel sword that dates back to the 7th century B.C., and it very much fits the description of the Sword Of Laban given by Nephi. One more thing, on a channel called On God & Religion, they are apparently trying to debunk a Midnight Mormons video, by going over Brigham Young's Special Oder Number Two, an extermination order against the Timpanogos people.
But in the book of mormon it says mosses was translated
Stick of Joseph is Jesus deleted from the Bible give better detail
@@scottishwarrior3547 @scottishwarrior3547 Yes it does. Now in Deuteronomy it says "So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD. And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre UNTO THIS DAY." We can be certain that Moses didn't write this in the Book of Deuteronomy. And if Joshua had written it, there would be no reason to say "UNTO THIS DAY", for it would only have been a few days. Besides that phrase "Unto this day" is found all throughout the Old Testament, with a few variations. One of those variations is "Until the Captivity" in 1 Chronicles 5: 22. So this part about Moses dying and the LORD burying Moses, was clearly added after the return from the Babylonian Captivity. Maybe this was why Satan debated about the body of Moses, because he is the only person the LORD buried himself. Except this event was added by an unknown third party hundreds of years after the event, so where did they get their information? Yet if Moses was translated, Satan would be certain point out everything wrong that Moses did that would "disqualify" him, like using the power of God to give the Israelites water, but not giving God the credit, which kept Moses from entering the Promised Land, or Moses killing the Egyptian beating an Israelite, for this is much more likely for Satan to be contending about, than whether God should have buried Moses or not.
Genesis 3 15 kjv and I will put eminty between thee and the woman and between thy seed and her seed and it shall bruse your head and thou shall bruse his heal .... this is about Moses brusing the staff of the tree of knolage of good and evil on the rock and the staff killing Moses buy getting him in the heal . And the seed part is a rabit hole we don't want to go down
So a more interesting story is why was Moses and Aaron using a evil staff rod spear thing made of sapphire or atleast partial sapphire. Why were they carrying around Nehashtan the Assyrian rod . How did over 2 million people look to the brass staff with a fire serpent on it did they all have super vision . Did Nehustan barf out the staffs that Aaron had the staff swallow in Egypt to kill the people in the wilderness? Did the staffs become fire serpents ? Dosnt it seem a little weird they seemed to be doing freemason cult duality religion like Eve learned in the Garden? 1st Timothy 2 24Adam was not decived but the woman being decived was in transgression.... Eve didn't eat an appel bit was given sour grape wine and bread evil sacrament a false religion and was decived
waiting for these guys to comment on the "immoral things" the exmo bishop they mocked talked about yesterday.
Wut the heck
3:40 Muhahahahahahahaha wtf
You mean the non-existent and FICTIONAL sword of Laban. You mean THAT sword? ROFLOL! You guys crack me up!
Thank you for the assertion. Please realize it's not the first time we've heard anything like it.
False bravado
Guy's, News Flash! The fictitious sword can belong to anybody you want it to belong to. You don't even need to back up the claims for a non existant sword a treasure seeker claimed to have received. Now, the Seer Stone that we do have did belong to JS, and now belongs to the church that is founded on the power of the seer stone/Rock.
All the true prophets pointed to Christ and then got out of the way. Just like John the Baptist said "He must increase, but I must decrease".......But instead, mormons sing "Praise to the Man".
you so lost...OT prophets certainly taught and prophesied more than Messianic themes. They taught the commandments and a covenant relationship with God, as do modern prophets.
What is the name of the church that you go to? Answer that and I'll respond to your funny attempt to say that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints that does all things in the name of Christ, somehow worships a prophet..... I've never said a prayer to the prophet nor have i ever ended with "in the name of Joseph Smith".
@@lemjwp1756read her comments on other ward radio content.... she is helpless....... she believes there will be no eternal marriage like the marriage that Adam and Eve were united in....... she knows so much that isn't so. She will deny all things on this life and the next. She thinks telestial.
@@curtisdecker3175 You know as well as I do that many wards in Utah sing "Praise to the Man". IF you actually read the O.T., you will see that O.T. prophets knew they would be hit by a lightening bolt if they ever even considered sharing in God's glory or praise.
Isaiah 42:8
“I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not yield my glory to another or my praise to idols.
@@lemjwp1756 O.T. prophets walked humbly with God, and their prophesies actually came true (eg Isaiah 53), unlike Joseph Smith who never had a single prophesy come true. An O.T. prophet would never let the people sing "Praise to the Man"
Mormons need to educate themselves on why YHWH established the Priests of ancient Israel from the descendants of Levi (not Joseph). Only the descendants of Levi and particularly the descendants of Aaron could hold the Aaronic priesthood. Funny that Gentiles (Mormons) will also claim to hold this same priesthood (when in fact they do not). Another LIE told by Mormons is that they hold the high priesthood via the Melchizedek priesthood. However, the high priest, the chief religious authority was actually a descendant of Aaron. A fact that the Book of Mormon fictional characters never claimed to be from. Therefore, Lehi and Nephi and every other so-called Book o Mormon "prophet" were fake and they NEVER held any priesthood authority nor had the authority to establish any temples either. The book o Mormon is a fraud through and through!
Get real if you know so much about mormons you would know they rely on the lord Jesus Christ for confirmation of everything
Did Christ's apostles hold the Priesthood?
The Levitical priesthood officiated in a lesser law system brought up on them by their provocation.
Melchizedek was not a levite, neither were Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, yet could offer up sacrifices to the Lord just like the Levitical priests.