We Found the Lost Ten Tribes of Israel!
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Former mission president and his wife who served in Russia says that members there descend from all the northern tribes. The mix of descendants as revealed from patriarchal blessings is awesome. Many faithful people had been persecuted over the centuries, many relocated or were banished to Siberia.
The Patriarch who gave me my patriarchal my blessing said he recognized a lot of people of the tribe of Dan here in Ireland (they’re not getting baptized, he said) This ties in with Irish history/legend which tells of a people who were of the God of Dan (Tuatha Dé Danaan) coming to Ireland bringing law and light.
That's really interesting. I'd have never made the connection between Danaan and the tribe of Dan. I always sort of accepted the scholarly supposition its root was the Irish Goddess Anu or Danu. It deserves looking in to.
It is also fascinating that the story of the Tuatha de Danaan conquering the Fomorians parallels the conquest of the Nephilim tribes of Canaan by the Israelites, and the Lapham interview story regarding the Lehite scouts finding the remains of a civilization of giants in the New World. In each case, the lands of a malign people are inherited by a God blessed people. You may be on to something there, since patterns tend to repeat.
My fathers Patriarchal blessing only says he’s a direct descendant of Joseph who was sold into Egypt. He’s full blooded Native American. I’m of the tribe of Mannasseh. The lost tribes are being gathered also as we do our geneology.
I've heard that Denmark or Danes are also from the lineage of Dan
@@user-qz8ki9pe4uwhat did your genealogy say when you did the records did it also say that you come from Manassas on your other side through Native Americans or no just curious or from familysearch or whatever site you used?
Cardon needs to attend remedial sunday school 😅
I was thinking the same thing.
Stop watching 'Raiders of the Lost Ark' and crack open the real deal!! Crack open that OT, Cardon!!! 😜
@@wes2176 I think Cardon is lucky he has such good friends around that can keep the story straight. He provides the platform and venue, and they keep the train on the tracks.
Or maybe it’s also part of the exposition and why I am good at my job… whoooooooooooaaaaaaaaa!
Yes, the guy running the show has the experts. Who has the power lol jk, man soooo many take a response to heart and lose sleep
Great episode. You guys are quite the team.
Wow, this is all so interesting to me. I'm a black member born in Jamaica and live in Canada. My history from family is that we have lineage from Scotland and it correlates to what y'all saying that it confirms I am part of the Tribe of Ephraim. WOW!!!
Glenna, your comment is truly captivating! The intricate tapestry of our ancestry, combined with the rich spiritual heritage of the gospel, is nothing short of remarkable. Your family's lineage tracing back to Scotland and your feelings of being linked to the Tribe of Ephraim is testament to the expansive and intricate design of our Father's plan. Indeed, the prophetic promise that the lost ten tribes will be gathered in the last days is unfolding before our very eyes. As it says in Jeremiah 23:8, "But, The Lord liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land." Your personal journey and connection to Ephraim might very well be a part of this grand design. How blessed we are to witness and be a part of these times! Your testimony adds a beautiful stitch to this unfolding pattern.
@@budgillett Thank you for your inspired kind and gospel centered words. My patriarchal blessings confirmed which Tribe (ie. Ephraim) I belong to and am teary 🥲 eyed as I experience the glory of God within his promised blessings for me walking within and on the Covenant path.
I especially pray for my black brothers and sisters to let go of Satan's rhetoric, verbiage and lies and conspiracy theories against the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ and seek truth/answers directly from God. Satan lies in wait to deceive many to reject God's truth as they rely on their carnal mindset which is death. To be spiritually minded is Peace and Life. Stay Blessed my brother and continue to be a Blessing.🙏🏾💛
@@RealLadyG Glenna, your testimony is a shining beacon, a testament to the enduring power of faith and the love of our Heavenly Father. Your words resonate deeply, reminding us of the profound truths found in Romans 8:6, "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace." It is evident that your journey on the Covenant path has fortified your relationship with our Savior, Jesus Christ. Your heartfelt plea for your black brothers and sisters is both touching and essential. In a world filled with noise and distractions, may we all find the strength to turn to the Savior, seeking truth and guidance directly from Him. Your commitment to the Restored Gospel and your prayers for others to find the same light and truth is commendable. Prophet Russell M. Nelson has often spoken about the importance of personal revelation and seeking answers from God. It's through this divine communication that we can truly discern truth from error. Keep holding onto that rod of iron, Glenna. Your unwavering faith will surely bless and inspire many. May the Lord continue to be with you, and may His promised blessings ever enfold you in His loving embrace.
Watch the episode about the jaredites being black. So good.
You are not from the tribe of ephraim
If your dad is from jamaica you are an Israelite from the tribe of benjamin Keep Gods laws
You know I think we’re gonna learn quite a lot in the very new future about the tribes; and just how connected we all really are to each other. It reminds me one time I was listening to Sister Nelson give a talk; talking about a time when she had visited a group of sisters and she had asked them what tribes they belong to or something to the effect of that; and she just named off I believe in the talk some tribes and just had the women in The crowd raise their hands based off of the tribe they were part of. I found that so amazing. And it just makes me wonder regardless of what race any of us are; just how truly connected we really are.
I love ole Don Bradley , what a great guy!
I have a friend who is from the tribe of Dan. Yes some are found throughout the world but I do believe some are in a group. For Joseph smith said as much.
For LDS members who have received their Patriarchal blessings have been blessed to know which Tribe they are from. Many are from the "missing" tribes. We are scattered all over the world!
A couple of memories on the Ten Tribes, one was I think one of my mission presidents remarking that according to a missionary he knew serving in South East Europe I think Romania, that a significant number of blessings were listing Gad as the tribe. Another is of an Ensign Article (Mid 80s i think)that used linguistic data as evidence of a theory that some of the tribes passed through or settled in Germany.
I am from the tribe of Ephraim and my sisters from Manasseh. Same parents. Our ancestors are mostly from the Iberian Peninsula, Corse, Taíno- Native American, Africa, Grece, Wales, Vasque Countries. In 2018, after hurricane María, President Russell M. Nelson came to visit Puerto Rico, the Puerto Rican Saints. He looked at us, about 3,000 Saints gathered at a convention center in San Juan, and said: "You are from the blood of Israel." And proceeded to quote Isaiah, and the gathering of Israel from the islands of the sea. My children are also from the tribe of Ephraim. 🇵🇷🇵🇷🇵🇷🇵🇷
A lot of descendants of Jews in PR (maybe not just Judah-Jews?). Manassas is common among Hispanics for some reason... maybe not just Lehi. We can also be reassigned, I am guessing? But Ephraim and Menassa are both twin tribes, under Joseph. A friend of mine from PR tested as having Ashkenaz DNA... specifically. There are a lot of Jews who fled the Inquisition... check their rolls for your ancestors if you can go back that far. Also, there are many Jews that arrived in the Americas first among the nations... many fleeing religious abuse and genocide
Joseph smith said that John the beloved was among the lost tribes preparing them for the second coming. So how scattered are all of them, there must be a group of them. They too are keeping a record😂 carol
Finally someone asking the right questions. Of all the early church leadership that made statements about there also being a group of the ten tribes that was intact and separated from us there was only one Seventy who posited a dispersed only theory. None of this was brought up or debated. How about Christ’s visit to them? Or the timing of their restoration as recorded in Esdras or the record they will bring? There was so much that was missed by focusing on a dispersion only theory as doctrine. The mocking of other possibilities leaves the listener at a disadvantage for actually discovering what the true implications of their restoration are. Like the Jews of old they assume rather then asking and are left to themselves. I hope the next installment will include a counter theory or two with a little more respect. I really like Ward Radio, but it is so unfortunate they are only getting half the story.
John the Beloved visited Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith was the tribe of Ephraim.
Remember that, like the three Nephites, John can “show themselves unto whatsoever man it seemeth them good.” John would not be limited to one group anymore than Christ was.
The ten tribes were in Assyria. They were scattered to and then from the Southern kingdom. They were scattered from the north countries. The were led out of Jerusalem. They were scattered to the British Isles. They were scattered to the islands of the sea.
There are literally scattered among all nations. If there is a large group somewhere, they are not mysteriously hidden. They are in plain sight.
During the millennium the ten tribes (already gathered through the work of the church) will be brought to an area just north of the Holy Land (in one large group) and then they will be restored to the land of their inheritance.
They are everywhere. Including China and pretty much everywhere else.
Michael B Rush has a great take on The Lost Ten Tribes and prophesies of the second coming. Give it a read. Great videos
I love his books. Plenty of prophets of the restoration speak of the Lost ten tribes being led away in a body. The restoration of the Lost 10 tribes is an event within the gathering.
Michael B Rush is not a prophet. Yes, the tribes were led away, then, eventually scattered throughout the earth. If you listen you will hear our current prophets say "scattered Israel". I was reading 3 Nephi 5, today. Verses 24-26 say the children of Israel are scattered througout the whole earth. It is very direct.
Here is an excerpt..."and then shall they be gathered in from the four quarters of the earth unto their own lands, from whence they have been dispersed;...".
You are right. Don’t formulate an opinion on the Ten Tribes without consideration of Michael Rush’s contributions first.
Thank you for your insights!
I met an Israeli guy who was treated royally when visiting a certain part of Fiji because they considered themselves of the house of Israel.
"Some people say it's on a planet..." Yeah. Some people like Joseph Smith. There is absolutely a large body of the Lost 10 tribes that will return. Joseph Smith also said that John the Revelator was now among them, preparing them for their return.
You need to talk to Dr Terry Blodgett, a now retired professor from SUU. His doctoral thesis was the Germanic sound shift that occurred around 700BC. He found close correlations to Hebrew pronunciation and found thousands of words that came in from Hebrew. He started tracking those linguistic shifts, and the heraldry associated with each tribe, in different areas around the world. It's really interesting reading.
I saw something similar years ago, in an ensign article. The author mentioned that both the proto-Celtic and proto-Germanic branches of Indo-European have some characteristics that are outside the norm from other related Indo-European languages. These characteristics have similarities to Semitic languages such as Hebrew. Both of these languages (Proto-Celtic and Proto-Germanic) date to roughly around that same time period (though further back for proto-Celtic than for proto-Germanic). One example of this is that Celtic languages have the VSO (verb, subject, object) word ordering, like the Semitic languages have. I saw an interesting youtube video on that recently also. Folks who have ancestors from the British Isles can trace most of their ancestry to both Celtic and Germanic language speakers. The same is true for much of Europe actually, as both the Celtic and Germanic tribes migrated throughout much of Europe at various times in history. In the case of the Celts, it was before the Roman Empire (in the Celts' heyday) and in the case of the Germanic tribes it was mostly after the Roman Empire fell (Goths, Longobards, etc.). Some of the Celts even migrated to central Turkey around 280 B.C. (from whence came the Galatians of the New Testament).
Of course, we can't know for certain if those influences came from Hebrew and part of the lost 10 tribes. It could have come from a pre-Indo-European substrate language, which would have been spoken in those areas before the Indo-European speaking peoples migrated in. These Indo-European speakers were likely the Bell Beaker and Corded ware cultures in prehistoric times.
@@philandrews2860 Feb. 1994, Tracing the Dispersion by Terry Blodgett. He wrote the article. It was intended for a series but the editors told him to compile it into one article.
Y'all need some of Biden's debate cocktail. This is off the chain. Anyway, look up what Cleon Skousen said about this. They traced a group they called Yuenglings by studying their burial practices. He believes the tribe of Ephraim eventually ended up in Britain.
I had lunch with the Samaritans in Israel. They have the oldest Torah in the world.
For real?
Yes
@@libertylady208 So cool! I'll go there some day.
The Jews in Israel aren’t the real Jews of today
G🎉reat show, guys. This is fascinating!
I can appreciate that we have to contend with this subject reasonably, and bring it down to earth a bit, but there are very good reasons members of the Church have come up with all sorts theories about where the Lost Ten Tribes are. Many of those theories are crazy, but they're crazy because the prophecies are crazy.
What was presented in this video addressed the scattered portion of the Northern Kingdom. The Samaritans, exclaves of diaspora Israelites in Europe and Asia and what appears to be the majority of the "minority" 10 tribes in Eastern Europe and Central Asia. I've been hearing about people being declared from Naphtali, Simeon, Issachar, Reuben, Gad, Dan and Zebulun from the Balkans to the Baltics for about 20 years. Sister Nelson's experience among the Russian sisters confirmed this rumour I've been hearing. Moreover, there are people in the Church who have had blessings declaring them to only have the blood of Abraham, but be of no tribe, others declared to be partakers of all the tribes and I've even heard of someone declared a descendent of Esau only.
There are many, many quotes from Prophets of the Church making the point that there is the scattered portion of the 10 tribes, and that there is a separated portion, that has been led away by the Father. Joseph Smith stated in Kirtland (I think during the Temple dedication) that John was at that time ministering to the that separated group of the Lost 10 Tribes. It also should be remembered that the early Saints knew the apocrypha and had it in their scriptures. It is from the book of 2 Esdras where we get the notion of the Lost 10 Tribes that are referred to in the D&C.
2 Esdras 13:40-50:
40 These are the ten tribes of Israel who were taken away into captivity in the time of King Hoshea. King Shalmaneser of Assyria captured them and deported them to a foreign land east of the Euphrates River.
41 But the ten tribes decided not to stay in that land among the many Gentiles, so they moved farther east to a country where no human beings had ever lived before.
42 There they hoped to keep their laws, which they had failed to keep in their own country.
43 When they had to make the difficult passage across the Euphrates,
44 God Most High performed miracles for them and blocked the channels of the river until they had crossed over.
45 Their long journey through that region, which is named Arzareth, took a year and a half,
46 and they have lived there ever since. Now in these last days they are coming back home,
47 and once again God Most High will block the channels of the river, so that they may cross over. That is the meaning of the great crowd of peace-loving people you saw.
48 But they will also have with them all of your own people who are left and who are found within the borders of my holy land.
49 When the time comes for my son to destroy the crowd that has gathered from every nation, he will protect his people who are left
50 and perform many great miracles for them."
Then during Christ's ministry to the Lehites in 3rd Nephi, it is easy to read the references to the gathering of Israel as referring to the scattered portion and/or the separated portion, those chapters make no specific references to a specific special group. However, Ether 13 is different and a bit spooky to be honest. It is where there is direct reference to the "north countries":
Ether 13: 11-13
11 And then also cometh the Jerusalem of old; and the inhabitants thereof, blessed are they, for they have been washed in the blood of the Lamb; and they are they who were scattered and gathered in from the four quarters of the earth, and from the north countries, and are partakers of the fulfilling of the covenant which God made with their father, Abraham.
12 And when these things come, bringeth to pass the scripture which saith, there are they who were first, who shall be last; and there are they who were last, who shall be first.
13 And I was about to write more, but I am forbidden; but great and marvelous were the prophecies of Ether; but they esteemed him as naught, and cast him out; and he hid himself in the cavity of a rock by day, and by night he went forth viewing the things which should come upon the people.
Here, as soon as Moroni starts to "write more" about the content of 11-12, the gathering of Israel, he is instructed to stop. Unlike Jesus' teachings in 3rd Nephi, where there is no reference to "north countries" specifically, but to the four quarters of the earth and the many places the Father has led the tribes of Israel. These "north countries" and the statement "last shall be first and first shall be last" are clues to what Moroni was forbidden to write about.
Then you get to the D&C 133:26 :
26 And they who are in the north countries shall come in remembrance before the Lord; and their prophets shall hear his voice, and shall no longer stay themselves; and they shall smite the rocks, and the ice shall flow down at their presence.
27 And an highway shall be cast up in the midst of the great deep.
28 Their enemies shall become a prey unto them,
29 And in the barren deserts there shall come forth pools of living water; and the parched ground shall no longer be a thirsty land.
30 And they shall bring forth their rich treasures unto the children of Ephraim, my servants.
What a lot of people miss here is that it doesn't say "And they who are in the north countries [who are of the House of Israel] shall come in remembrance before the Lord", in fact, it doesn't call them the 10 tribes or anything like that, but only "they who are in the north countries". Without 2 Esdras, Moroni's commentary in Ether, and a reference in D&C 110 during the Kirtland temple dedication, we'd not be able to connect these together. The "north countries" people aren't necessarily all Israelites, but seem to have Israel among them. Isaiah also provides some connective tissue for this, but it would make this way longer.
Jacob 5 is also provocative as to the extent of how far the house of Israel was scattered. There are three branches taken out, one goes to the poorest land "in the vineyard", the second to land "poorer than the first" and the third branch is placed in good ground. The roots of the first tree have the wild branches grafted into it, this is likely the rise of Christianity and time of the Gentiles. The first branch is likely scattered Israel in the nethermost reaches of the earth, and the third branch most people are confident represent the Lehites, being planted in good ground. It is the second branch that is bit bizarre. First we're told that the first branch is planted in the world place in the vineyard, then the second is planted somewhere poorer. Two ways of taking that are available. 1) The servant didn't know the vineyard very well and the Lord of the vineyard was saying "hey you thought that place was bad, here's a place worse than that." or 2) the servant knew the vineyard very well, and the Lord was showing him a plot of land outside of the vineyard that was way worse. I don't know which one makes more sense. Although I favour 2, because Christ is very adamant, when talking about the scattering of the house of Israel, that the Father had led them away. This makes God the Father the Lord of the vineyard, and the servant Christ. Indeed it appears this might be the very reason that Christ in 3rd Nephi doesn't say "I taken them" but "The Father hath taken them". Still, the option is open.
Then there are the quotes from W. W. Phelps that go waaaaay off the deep end, talking about a continent in the North pole and the remnant of Israel being among the people of Enoch. Brigham seemed to think they were separated off onto a piece of earth the same way the city of Enoch was as well. That's sort of the rub for me. The City of Enoch was separated from the Earth, and then we get all shaky when it is implied that this "north country" might be in a similar category. The situation is not an "either or" it is a "yes and". James E. Talmage, who is far more reasonable and down-to-earth also taught the same idea in his works, that there was a scattered portion and a separated portion.
As late as Joseph Fielding Smith, there was a strong confidence among the Brethren that there was the scattered part and a separated group that went somewhere mysterious. Since then, most references I find in General Conference just go back to the restoration of the Keys to the Gathering of Israel, which picks out the 10 tribes specifically. From President Joseph Fielding Smith:
“The Ten Tribes were taken by force out of the land the Lord gave them. Many of them mixed with the peoples among whom they were scattered. A large portion, however, departed in one body to the north, and disappeared from the rest of the world……..that they will return in a body, must be believed, else how shall the scriptures be fulfilled? There are to many prophecies concerning them and their return in a body to ignore the fact.”
I am not saying that this is how things definitely are, but what I am saying is that members of the Church are not delving into fables by thinking it is the case. Joseph Fielding Smith had ideas about evolution that I think were completely misled, so maybe he isn't trustworthy on this subject either, I don't know. What I do know is there are clear demarcations that this is the doctrine taught since Joseph Smith and embedded in the scriptures. Does that mean that the Lost 10 Tribes are on another planet as some quotes attributed to Joseph seem to indicate? I don't know, but I do know the picture isn't so cut and dry as "it's all a bunch of Mormon myths". There is clearly more going on.
Yes, agreed.. There are many writings that indicate that the lost 10 tribes ARE a distinct group, separate, hidden. Tons written on this.. It could go either way in my mind..
@@user-yn9tv3pw6u Yes. Personally, my provisional position is that Israel in totality is scattered and is beginning to be gathered through our efforts, and that there was a hidden group taken out, like the Lehites, and brought to a place that continues to be in separation from us.
If I were to indulge my inner Kwaku, I would say that this separated "poor ground" from Jacob 5 are other earths. That the Father scattered the seed of Israel to the cosmos in fulfillment of his covenant with Abraham that the "sands" and "stars in the heavens" would be the number of his seed. Why use both the earth beneath and the heavens above, unless that's what God meant? Of course, the other way to interpret this is the Celestial inheritance we receive through Christ, and it is a future prophecy not one that has already taken place.
...but could you expound on this a bit?
@@WARDRADIO What part?
I'm joking. LOL! I think that's the longest comment we've ever had. XD
My husband is from Peru…. His son, who is full Peruvian, is from the tribe of Simeon!! My identical twin daughters are from two different tribes- Ephraim and Manasseh (their dad is from Mexico and I’m white/European American)
Sister Nelson talked about a meeting in Russia area and talked with sisters in the area about their Patriarchal blessings. She then asked them what tribe they were from. They were from many of the ten tribes
I’ve heard this multiple times, and I’m surprised they didn’t touch on that. All tribes have been found and identified through their patriarchal blessings.
I read the talk where she recounted this experience. She said in one meeting there were sisters from all but 1 of the tribes tribes, and the next meeting she met someone from the other tribe.
I served in Eastern Europe and it was the same there. A lot of different tribes among the members.
@@TheBenJiles Ever since the Church has had inroads into the former Soviet Union, there has been growth in the numbers of people from the other tribes. I've been hearing about it for over 20 years. It is really incredible to see.
One of my Russian mission companions’ brothers was from the tribe of Benjamin. Another companion’s tribe was Naphtali.
My condolences to you for being born in LA. Sorry you had to go through that 😢
It’s awesome
In his book, The Majesty of God's Laws, Cleon Skousen gives the background England on pp. 296-8, which reveals how some of the ten tribes made it to England. The Celts first occupied the entire British Isles before the Christian era. Around 55 BC the Romans controlled England, and referred to the island tributary as "Britain." After 400 years of occupation, the Romans left Britain because Rome needed all of her legions to fight the invading Goths migrating down from northern Europe. This left the native Celts to govern themselves.
Shortly thereafter the Celts began violently attacking each other to determine who would be the new rulers of the island. The king of Kent looked desperately for help and had observed tall, yellow-haired Anglo-Saxons from Scandinavia who were ferocious fighters. He asked them to help him, they agreed, and the Anglo-Saxons came across the English Channel in hundreds of Viking boats. After they helped the king of Kent win his battle, he wanted to reward them and send them back to their home country, but they announced that they liked living in Britain and planned to stay. The outraged king of Kent battled with them and was defeated. The Anglo-Saxons not only occupied Kent, but within a few generations they brought over more of their tribes and pushed the native Celts into Ireland, Wales, and Scotland.
The dominant tribe among the Anglo-Saxons were the Engels or Yinglings, which they later changed the name of the island from Britain - as the Romans had called it - to Yingling-land or Engel-land. This eventually took on the modern name England.
Now here's where it gets interesting. Missionary efforts began in 590 A.D. by Catholic priests to convert the pagan Anglo-Saxons. As some of the Anglo-Saxons were taught Latin so they could read the Bible, they were amazed to find that their own traditional laws were recorded by Moses in Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. The pagan Anglo-Saxons had never written these laws down, but had memorized them from generations to generation. It was the Anglo-Saxon King Alfred who later recorded these laws in his native language and said: "The law was first revealed in the Hebrew tongue..."
According to historical records among the Anglo-Saxons, the people who occupied northern European nations were descendants of the Scythians or Goths who originally migrated from the region of the Black Sea where the lost 10 Tribes were located just before they disappeared into the north. Skousen says, "It is for this reason that many scholars have suspected that the descendants of the Goths or Scythians in northern Europe (and England) were actually remnants of the 10 Tribes and that the code of laws which they handed down from generation to generation was basically the same charter of commandments and statues which Moses had received on Mount Sinai.
After Coriantumer cut off Shiz's head he said, "For shizzel!"
Hi , part of Ephrum (sp) is in Scotland . when I got my patrearcal (sp) blessing it said I was from the tribe of Ephrum .
Ya, so I'm going with Michael B Rush on all this. I really wish someone would have a panel discussion with some of these ppl that have studied extensively the last days and they could explain why they believe what they believe and then there could be a little pushback from others, so we could hopefully get to the truth.
Such a good point! I've read all his stuff and love his insight. Have you read his new book which is his commentary on the Book of Enoch?? It's amazing!
Thanks!
woo wooo! good to see all my faves
Love Shaun's work but this is why anyone who does deep dives into 2nd Coming LDS eschatology should take a modeled approach to the interpretations rather than a dogmatic one. Whether you subscribe to the interpretations of the Pickerings, Michael Rush, or Shaun here it is best to take the truths they share and judge them against the scriptures and the prophets and build a model based on the more solid established truths of the gospel. And as always, pray for the spirit for understanding and revelation to help discern truth from error. :)
Agreed. To much opinion shared as doctrine. By making a case for scattered Israel only he ignores so much of scripture and the Latter-day leadership on the topic including Joseph Smith himself in order to convince the listener of his hypothesis. The fact of the matter is that both things can be true and probably are. You can have a group led away as stated in scripture and those who were left behind or scattered from among their number. To ignore or ridicule one in favor of the other shows the utter lack of investigation into the topic. In third Nephi we are told that the Jews were not told by Christ of their brethren the Nephites because they assumed to know the answer. The same holds true for Latter-day Saints who assume about the Lost Tribes and ignore scripture and prophetic statements about them. They will believe Enoch was taken off planet, but turn their backs when such a thing is suggested for the Lost Tribes. Time to stop pointing fingers at our ancestors and realize that we are now them!
I strongly disagree with Shaun here. What I don’t like about the 10 Tribes discussion is that we usually get people proposing false dichotomies.
The truth can be somewhere in the middle. There could be descendants scattered throughout all the nations. There could also be a body of them somewhere. We know Joseph said that John is among the Lost Tribes right now and is a king among them. We know that the scriptures talk about a highway from the great deep. We know that the scriptures talk of both the dispersed and outcasts of Israel. They’re distinguished. Some are dispersed. Some are outcasts. What does that mean? We also have cases in the scriptures where you do have multiple prophets. You have Jeremiah in Jerusalem. Ezekiel with the refugees. Daniel in Babylon. And Lehi in America. God allows multiple lines of authority when there’s no way for them to communicate with each other. So it is totally possible for them to have prophets, and for those prophets to be put under the authority of the Prophet and the 12 when they are gathered.
There are also records in the Book of Jasher and other books which mention that after Assyria fell a large group of the lost 10 tribes went as a body together to The land north called Aseroth. They repented and swore to God that they would serve God in a foreign land better than they did in their own land. God lead them by the hand with a pillar of fire by night and smoke or cloud by day for over a year to this mysterious land Asteroth. This is where the speculation is that they went off planet or are in a cave somewhere in the artic circle. In D&C 133 it talks about "those who are in the 'NORTH' countries" shall remember the Lord and their prophets no longer stay themselves and they shall smite rocks and ice shall flow down at their presence and a highway shall be cast up in the midst of the great deep. So it does seem like a 2 sided gathering. A gathering of scattered Israel who don’t know their lineage scatter all over the globe. That's 1 half. And this group in the North....wherever that is. Off planet? In a cave? Who knows. But their return will be incredible. So much so, that Jeremiah's says it will be more miraculous than the red sea parting of Moses. See Jeremiah 16:14-16 and Jeremiah 23:7-8. There is always a 2 part gathering mentioned. The gathering of the people out of the North Country AND those scattered from all the countries God has driven them.
Some might pass off the notion of off planet as being silly or preposterous but in Deuteronomy 30:4 it says: If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the Lord thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee: the outermost parts of heaven sound like space or some planet. Some think the land of the north is where there is a portal to off planet escape. Then in the parable of the olive tree in Jacob chapter 5 he has one of the scattered natural branches that he plants that is in a very poor spot of ground and it does the best of all his gardening but it too eventually goes bad. So there are some interesting things that could happen. We are living in exciting and interesting times. Maybe that's why the prophet says we shall see some of the greatest miracles in our day!
Thank you. This joker says he's going to "annihilate" the "myth" that they aren't in one body. Then doesn't even attempt to? I expected him to "debunk" things like what you just quoted.
They absolutely are in one body. Both in one body and some are scattered. Both are true. If that weren't true how could the prophecies concerning them come to pass?
We're 12 minutes in and I don't know why they Got Lost!!!! - Cardon
I keep interjecting every 27.5 seconds. Also Cardon
Yes, let the poor guy finish a thought.
I like Cardon's energy and positivity, but he interrupts so often that so little ground gets covered in these interviews. Much much more could be conveyed if he just vented into a fidget spinner under the desk or something instead. If you go and listen to Don or Shaun elsewhere, they get out far more information in less time. Cardon is defeating his own goals with how obnoxious he can be.
I go with Brad..... Under the north Pole! Also like Br Michael B Rush's book on the Book of Enoch Vol 1. Looking forward to ol 2.
I always thought that the Lost 10 Tribes were not "lost", they were just not "identified" properly.
I've often wondered if Gypsies were one of the tribes, or part of one. A Gypsy guy was on my football team in highschool. He was Gypsy but also Mexican, from Mexico, he spoke fluent Spanish and English. He was a Christian, but he told me many Gypsies believe they are from the lost tribes.
@@lukev483 Well!!!
I served a mission in Portugal- lots of Gypsies in Portugal and Spain! They originally come from India…… but have mixed with Europeans a lot over the past 1,000 years or so. They use a lot of their own words.
How about Patriarchal blessings? We have at least 6 tribes represented in our stake
Suprised article of faith wasn’t explored where it differentiates between gathering the remnants of tribes vs restoring the lost 10 tribes. Where John who is translated ministers too, right? Interesting to ponder priesthood line there
Yes, I also think the wording is scripture is really important and I don't think Joseph composed the Articles of Faith lightly.
Many who were scattered north took their passage through the mountain range called the Caucasus Mountains. Anyone heard of Caucasians? There are many links throughout all history. We just have to look.
In 2007, President Browning of the Jerusalem Branch was also one of two patriarchs for Russia. He told us that he had declared lineage for all the tribes of Israel. I strongly recommend more segments on the gathering of Israel. There is A LOT of VERY INTERESTING points that I have found that most members have limited knowledge on this topic.
My Grandfather passed away in 2017 he got his patriarchal blessing a few months before he died and he was from the tribe of Dan he grew up on the northern Utah and southern Idaho border
Ishmael we are told was a descendant of Ephram while Lehi was a descendant of Manasseh. This shows that many tribes escaped Assyria to the southern kingdom. Also, tells us that many native Americans may be descendants of Ephram and Manasseh.
However, the tribe we receive in our P. blessings aren’t necessarily literal sometimes we are adopted into a tribe.
Something to consider is that in the past the Israelites had more of a Matrilineal Patriarchy where the wife chose the king or birthright.
For the most part they are identified whether you’re adopted into a tribe or not, at least within my circle of people I know.
@@JbowlizzleKC Really?!?! This is new to me. Can you expand on this?
@@Dre-dc1jh What do you mean by this? Like if I'm the tribe of Judah for example I would be part of the lost tribes even if I'm in Utah? Is that what you're saying???
@@dinocollins720 the tribe of Judah wasn’t part of the “10 lost tribes”
Was that the People's Front of Judea or the Judean People's Front?
I thought we were in the popular front?
@@TheYgds Heh heh, I figured someone would get it.
I KNEW YOU COULD FIND THEM!!!!!
@@lukev483 They actually never disappeared. Moroni gave them to Joseph, Joseph translated them, showed them to eleven guys, then gave them back to Moroni.
I am very confident you will be extremely open-minded and accepting of this explanation, perhaps it will even reactivate you.
@@wes2176How can you be so gullable?
@@Themanyfacesofego You know it, Sugar!
@@lukev483 Might want to wait till next week, GC is going to start in a few hours. You can watch Church in your PJs!! I'll watch in my garments.
@@Themanyfacesofego Brother Paul Hadlow, ah, yes. None of us wish to be gullible. God forbid. BTW, what flawless paradigm free of all gullibility have you to offer to us this fine day?
You gotta get Michael Rush on to talk about where the tribes are!!
Best way to learn OT is to teach it!
Put someone on the show that would try to debunk the myths that were brought up. That would be fun.
There's also evidence of the lost tribes settling in eastern and northern Europe from studies of language that have been done. One of these is called the "Germanic sound shift" where Germanic words spoken in Europe at the time took on a shift in how they were pronounced to a more hebrew sound.
The book Ivanhoe talks about England being the land of Ephraim
Cardon,
Alma 10:3 And Aminadi was a descendant of Nephi, who was the son of Lehi, who came out of the land of Jerusalem, who was a descendant of Manasseh, who was the son of Joseph who was sold into Egypt by the hands of his brethren.
Brad's on fire today
I can't recall the references and passages but there's one in the D & C somewhere that says something like (paraphrase) "and the Father has led many of the tribes of the house of Israel out of the land of Israel and they are only withersoever the Father has led them" (end paraphrase). So I am taking that to mean that only the Father knows where on the planet those tribes are because HE personally led them to those places and it's not for anyone else to know no matter what. Exactly like saying that only the Father knows the exact day and hour of the Second Coming. There were other passages I wanted to quote/paraphrase but I have forgotten them now but I'm thinking they can be found scattered throughout somewhere in the OT, NT and BOM.
I hope that helps. God bless all of you and all of yours and take care. Love, love, love your show.
Don't worry, it looks like a lot of people are pulling out scriptures, quotes and grandpa's memoires to show these "mormon myths" aren't quite just myths.
I see parallels in the fable Viking Asgard and Zion as well as Philo Dibbles earth / polar configuration diagram and the Bifrost / connection of worlds.
Love how cardon "pretends" to be ignorant 😅
I know all.
I am from the Tribe of Ephraim. I just assumed that it was because that my heritage is from the gentiles and that I was adopted into Ephraim when I was baptized.
Joseph Smith knew tobacco was bad for the body 130 years before the Federal Government did?!?!?
Y'all gonna make me lose my mind! Up in here, up in here!!!!
Nowhere in the Bible is it written GOD said you can't smoke tobacco drink wine or Alcohol so Joseph Smith was lying
Yes... The Jews and Palestinians know they are of the same family. Jews in particular are aware of this.
Ishmael was a descendant of Ephraim; hence, both of Joseph's sons are ancestors of the Nephites and Lamanites of the BOM.
Part of the Norse Sagas specifically called Hemskringla or the history of the kings of Norway has some interesting things to say about this subject. You guys really should look into this!
There are some that were taken captive, and some that were led away (remnant(s)).
Patriarchal blessing lineage is mostly different from DNA lineage, consider that it's mostly "grafting" in. But then again the point of the scattering was in part to spread them across the "nations" to bless them.
The 3 Nephites where are they now?
In Scottsdale.
@@wes2176 are you sure?
@@bagnasbayabas It may be Tempe.
Please have Alonzo Gaskill on your show.
Should i be concerned that everyone in the studio got real happy about the Israeli Weed? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
You realize the tribes are home although not all the children from the tribes are home but all 10 are home.
There’s sooooo much more to get into with all this stuff.. Kwaku needed to be on this episode haha. Also, don’t forget that the Jews got dispersed all across the world after the temple was destroyed in 70 AD. Also, Joseph Smith himself actually talked about hollow earth.
They were lost because they were lost to history.
How do I get hold of Brad
I heard that Queen Elizabeth can trace her ancestry back to King David.😮
There can only be one
You all should get Tony Young on from the UK. He is very fluent in Ephraim and British Isles
As far as I am aware they live in Northern America…
Nice imitation of Kwaku.
The Way to Perfection, 1940 Joseph F. Smith, " The Ten Tribes were taken by force out of the land the Lord gave them. Many of them mixed with the peoples among whom they were scattered. A large portion, however, departed in one body to the north, and disappeared from the rest of the world........that they will return in a body, must be believed, else how shall the scriptures be fulfilled? There are to many prophecies concerning them and their return in a body to ignore the fact."
more part of all the tribes have been led away, 1 Ne. 22:4.
AofF 10: We believe in the literal gathering of Israel …AND in the restoration of the Ten Tribes
shall have the words of the lost tribes of Israel, 2 Ne. 29:13.
A-freaking-men! How is it that so many of our members don't know anything about the return of the 10 tribes as a body? D&C 133 is also a good one.
Yes, agreed.. There are many writings that indicate that the lost 10 tribes ARE a distinct group, separate, hidden. Tons written on this.. It could go either way in my mind..
@@mormonbear4050Because you Mormons are lying about the Regathering of all 12 tribes and it doesn't happen until Jesus returns and not a day before
@@user-yn9tv3pw6uThe Mormons don't nothing but make up false doctrine About the children of Israel, I mean it's lie after lie after lie they don't know what they are talking about
@@james8996 Source?
The people i know with southerb european heritage tend to be from Simeon. Also an interesting observation.
Dude im in the same YSA ward in Edmonton . Near the university right?
There were scholars who wrote where the tribes went in a book probably hundreds or many more years ago from which more modern writers have taken info to put into their own books but I can't remember one title. Many tribes settled in European countries. Since the Brits are of Joseph, as they traveled there from Israel, they probably crossed from Holland. Some may have remained there. I remember France was settled by Reubenites and Denmark (Danmark) by Dan. Don't expect that tribes would have gone as a whole to one place. One tribe settled along the west coasts of several European countries which probably was Zebulon, but I'm not too sure.Being in sin, a tribe could have split and each part gone in different directions. From other sources, I have learned that Gad may be in Spain but that they also went to India where the Book of Gad was found not long ago.
It is in the Apocrypha where some people got the idea the lost tribes went to the North Pole. Thus, in 2nd Esdras 13: 40 to 47 it says, "...the ten tribes....time of Osea.... Salmanasar the king of Assyria led away captive...carried them over the waters... into another land. But they took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen [probably the other rotters of the 10 tribes]
and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt. That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land. And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow passage of the river. For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over. [ Maybe that's why the Euphrates is drying up today] For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth. Then dwelt they there until the latter time [ soon to come back now]; and now when they shall begin to come, The Highest shall stay the springs of the stream again, that they may go through: therefore sawest thou the multitude with peace.
Isaiah says a highway shall be cast up before their feet. Some believe this applies and because Isaiah mentions the ice melting, therefore they are returning from the North Pole's inner earth.
Esdras had received this vision about the last days. It is obvious that this group of 10 tribes was to stay there until the latter days. How far can people walk in about 330 days? I've already deducted Sabbaths and some Jewish holidays.
Caverns underground are possible. There were scientific debates centuries ago whether Earth is solid or hollow based on the belief that a heavier solid Earth can't remain in orbit, etc. I 've had the book for > 50 yrs., The Hollow Earth by Dr. R. W. Bernard ??? Never read it yet.
The mortal Jesus said no one but He had ever been to heaven, yet. We never leave this Earth. Heaven is coming down to us at end of Millennium once the Father arranges to move his stuff by U- Haul spaceships. Heard on one channel that Enoch has been living in an underground grotto on Earth. Not all of inner earth can be Hell. Even the Navajos believe they came from underground.
It would be interesting to find out what the root word of Arsareth means but have to find out if it's Hebrew or Greek.
Right. Heraldry shows a lot. I’m in the US but mine indicates Asher. My friends and paternal grandmother’s heraldry indicate either Zebulon or Naphtali. What’s interesting is they all originally lived near each other in the land. Yair Davidly has done a lot of research on this and he says Asher typically married within the monarchy or priests. Ironically I’m related to the Scottish monarchy on multiple lines and have pastors in the family. God’s hand has been guiding all of us.
This was kind of glossed over, but the "lost" ten tribes being scattered across Assyria is pretty significant. There's no reason to think that they stayed in the Black Sea area, especially after the fall of Assyria. It's easy to see them going into Modern-day Turkey, up into Russia through Georgia and Azerbaijan, and even into Asia. If they followed traditional migration patterns, then they would be scattered all across Europe, and yes, even to the British Isles in a relatively short period of time. I also remember hearing a few times about mission areas in Russia where patriarchs were consistently giving Patriarchal Blessings and pronouncing lineage across all 12 tribes.
One of them hard-working muscular natural broads.
I heard that the Gazans are mostly Egyptian descent
The tribes were lost to the knowledge of the scholars/writers of the scriptures.
Cardon "You know what Im sayin".. "Rock on".. "Dog".. "Awesome"
Wooooow, the 10 tribes ate not lost, most of the teibes are scattered across Africa and they know that they are Israelites. Israel is in Africa.
Only one prophet but there were twelve chosen on the American continent who were under the twelve in Israel.
You need to invite Micheal B. Rush to talk on this Scriptures say God took them to the furtherest place in the Heavans where no man has lived before. That is a paraphrase but the gest of it. There is also a man from Canada he goes by the name of The Naked Archaeologist he does a search for the Ten Tribes on his series and he only found remnants but found amazing people along his route. But he ask the sane questions where are the rest of them? They aren't here it even tells us in the Book of Mormon. 2 Nephi 5 - ...
D&C 133:26-28. Please explain how these verses make sense if there's not a return of a large body of people?
Yeah this one is simple. In my BYU Islam/Judaism studies class, our professor said that with how many people were carried away out of the north kingdom, the way genes spread over time, and the world population back then, it's very very mathematically likely that everyone alive could trace their lineage back to Abraham.
The number 10 also doesn't really refer to specific tribes. It's to say that 10 out of every 12 people of the kingdom of Israel were carried off and lost to culture melding. Only a small portion was allowed to remain and preserve their identity
There're Samaritan Jews and Christians if I'm not mistaken
It's not a misconception that when the tribes come there will be many prophets. D&C 133:26 "And they who are in the north countries shall come in remembrance before the Lord; and their prophets shall hear his voice, and shall no longer stay themselves..." Literal gathering with literal prophets.
7:30 this reminds me of the US Civil War, but upside down. The Africans escaped to the north instead of the south to become free. I am convinced that African-Americans are definitely among the lost 10 tribes of Israel.
Maybe some of the people in the Latin Americas, are of Jewish descent. Go back to the 1400s during the Spanish Inquisition; the Jews were forced to convert to catholic, some Jews did convert to the catholic religion and also changed their names to Spanish and 1000 of them came to the Latin American. If you watch videos of people from the Latin Americas do dna genealogy, most of their ancestors is Jewish,middle eastern descent.
So there are many different stories about lost tribes of Israel in Ireland and later immigrating to scottland. Judah had 2 sons from Tamar. She had Pharez and Zerah. From Pharez we get the lineage of King David and the known Jewish descendants. Zerah has some records which suggest he went to Ireland and up north. Later on when King Zedekiah was taken by the King of Babylon and all his sons killed in feont of him and his eyes plucked out. Jeremiah the prophet flees either just prior or shortly afterwards with one if the daughters of king Zedekiah to Ireland in a boat. He also took with him Jacob's stone pillow. (The one he anointed after his vision of the ladder to heaven in Bethel.)
The people grew and prospered in Ireland for many centuries then immigrated also to Scottland and they still have that stone of Jacob called the Stone of Scone or the Stone of Destiny. All the monarchs get coronated stilling iver that stone. The British stole it for their coronations and then some college kids from scottland stole it back one day and they finally made a deal with Scottland that they could keep it in Scottland but England would borrow it when they had a coronation. So lots of history/legends about Jewish royalty and the the monarchs.
Also the Stone of Scone was analyzed and it is from a different stone that is not found anywhere in the British isles. The stone did however match the stones in around Israel.
For all you Ephraimites out there, here's a fun fact: the tribe of Ephraim is usually represented by an Ox (or bull, as Brad puts it).
Ephraim had the birthright and blessing to be the first tribe to gather the rest of the twelve tribes...God sent an awakening and restored the gospel of Jesus Christ to do so.
The baptismal font in the Temple is carried by 12 what?
12 oxen.
Ephraim and Mannasseh were the bulk of the first gatherings into the early church from England, Scotland, the rest of northern Europe, Polynesia, etc. Also know as the Isles of the sea.
Now there are so many people from the rest of the ten tribes who have recognized the truth, acted on it, and helping to gather Israel along with us.
Is there an American Indian tribe who have Jewish DNA?
I don't remember when i heard this in a talk on youtube of some general authority who was talking to young adults and asking what tribe they where from in their patriarchal blessing and she was amazed that they where from not The tribe of E or M but from 5 Other tribes. They are being found
The brethren call it “believing blood.” When the lost tribes created families with the Assyrians, they “diluted” their believing blood, but in doing so, they were able to scatter the believing bloodline among the other nations. Otherwise, there would have been more nations completely destroyed by massive natural disasters and events. As long as there is one person with believing blood in a community, there is hope for the community to repent and come unto Christ.
Also, the symbol for Manasseh is a vine that can go over the wall and get into difficult places. Most Native American/Hispanic members are from this tribe, and can connect with cultures that Ephraim cannot.
And 99% of members are direct descendants of the original 13 tribes. The 1% who are not, are adopted into the House of Israel and receive their inheritance directly from Abraham and are not assigned a tribe in their patriarchal blessing.
It is said that when someone is adopted into the House of Israel at baptism, with 0% natural believing blood, there is a physical transformation that occurs, because their blood is being transformed. Their skin/hair/eyes change color after baptism.
More believing blood = More likely to recognize and act on truth.
Also, it is genetic. So 1st generation converts most likely receive their believing blood through their mother or father, or both. Which is why Temple work is so critical. We KNOW that somewhere in their line is entire families who are of the House of Israel.
Anytime anyone does anything to bring someone closer to Christ, they are casting a net to gather Israel.
Birds of a feather flock together. Believing blood attracts more believing blood. That’s why missionary work and temple work are so critical. It’s likely the people closest to you are also literal descents of Abraham.
That’s everything I know… 😅
Somebody read Sister Lawrence's 2014 zone conference transcript on the House of Israel 😏
She came to our mission and gave us the full blown version 🤯
@@QuarrelsomeYeti NO WAY! After I read what she had to say on my mission my whole experience got SO much better, and my entire identity was put into greater context. I also wanted desperately to just sit and listen to her and her husband in person. I still have that transcript and read it often.
A year or so later I got off my mission in Utah and an opportunity to do summer sales in Fresno fell into my lap out of nowhere. That wasn't something I ever expected to do, but I took it.
During the last month of my time in Fresno all the YSAs in the area got together for a multi-day event, and one day was structured as a "room rotation" where we would spend 40 minutes listening to guests that were invited to share spiritual messages and then we would switch rooms.
I got to the last room, and I couldn't believe who was teaching--it was Sister Lawrence and her husband!
My group was small and I got to talk to them for a while afterward. I told them my story and they told me they learned all of the things they know about the House of Israel with the help of (then) Elder Russell M. Nelson.
She later spoke at a stake Conference that the stake held later that month and it was amazing.
My experience with them was definitely a testimony builder for me that God really does want to fulfill our righteous desires, especially when it comes to truth like this.
Yeah, we had a 6 hour conference, expecting Elder Lawrence to speak. He only spoke for like 10 min, and the rest was Sister Lawrence just walking us through the entire timeline of The House of Israel, from Pre-Existence to the Final Judgement.
Where do I find this?
Look at Y-DNA map lines and the mT-DNA directional lines. Y is father to son, mT is mother to daughter. Israel follows a maternal line, as in Matthew, because at birth the mother has a known genetical line where father may or may not be of a genetic line, i.e. Jesus’ actual father was not Joseph but God, thus Jesus was 1/2 Jewish (mom) and 1/2 Elohim (dad). Genetic mapping… cool stuff.
I can tell buddy in the white hat listens to rap music lol
cast aspersion bingo!
Do you guys have any videos about the three Nephites?
They are in Russia.
Anglo-Saxons... Ephraim?
That's a lie