How To Start Raiding In FFXIV - My Advice for Prep, Practice, & Parties in Endgame Raiding
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- čas přidán 29. 06. 2024
- Some advice and thoughts on endgame raiding for new players in Final Fantasy XIV. If you have more questions about raiding or just want a place to hang out, consider joining the discord here: / discord
0:00 Intro
1:25 Preparation and Gearing
11:11 Practice and Do Damage
18:43 Parties - Static vs. Party Finder
27:56 Wrap It Up - My Advice - Hry
I randomly clicked this video and didnt even notice you were under 100 subs. You've earned one here brother. Awesome video maybe it will help my anxiety to try the party finder one of these days lol
Appreciate it! Feel free to join the discord and let me know if you ever want to learn some fights. Always happy to jump in and help out
@@99_Vitfor sure man still running the endwalker MSQ but once I'm done with that I'll check out all the raiding and stuff and get some help in there!
The casual low pressure way you explain all this stuff is great. Excellent video man!
Needed this video as a sprout, thanks.
Good, practical knowledge that is straight-forward, and NIN gameplay, I'm in. Really good video. Also, big that you explained setting up a PF, no one ever explained that to me when I started and had some uh, interesting interactions as a result lol.
PF is like box of candy....
But going on my own, with no strings attached, is preffered for me.
You get parties that disbands before even first pull("i'm main tank, no i'm main tank", tank leaves), you got parties that stays for hours and make good progress. You can easier, even if not always, find group that is where you want to be in the fight, rather than being stuck with someone who isnt comfortable with early mechanics and feels like you are wasting time. You can also downgrade and practice difficult mechanic you might still have issues with.
It has plenty of downsides, as you can expect with PUG. As mentioned, players leaving after two wipes sending you back to 'loby', players not respecting comments and joining group thats more advanced than they are, players not doing their homework, players coming with strategy that might work, but its not generally accepted strategy that everyone else knows, etc etc. It can be mess, it can be ugly, but you can get it done, if you are patient enough.
It is objectivelly more difficult than static, as everyone have to make own calls and be capable of making choices for themself. But harder the road..
Yea, this is why I avoid it lol.
This is a very solid guide for new raiders! Also love you sharing your experiences!
Great video, glad to see raiding content getting some more love in the community. Keep it up
Thanks man, your channel is really good. So much practical information without all of the content filler or dumb jokes/skits like some other channels.
Thanks, buddy been playing for many years but have yet to enter the Savage or Ultimates yet this gave me a lot of good first hand advice.
Awesome video! 🥰
Nice video. Keep up the good work
Raiding is some of my fav content in this game. My biggest issue with it is definitely people not realizing that an EX or Savage isnt just 'the same thing but faster'. That being said, the feeling of accomplishment from clearing that type of content is some of my biggest reasons for coming back time and time again.
I’ve been running mentor roulette a lot lately and have been helping new players clear old extremes. People definitely should do some more research before jumping right into these haha can usually manage to get the clear with some instruction though
WOW you started THIS expansion and already did 3 ULTIMATES! I’m trying to get like you! I started in endwalker too and only finished p9-p11. I really want to get into ultimates and maybe finish this raid tier.
My new favourite ffxiv youtuber :)
From what I’ve seen, generally a static will provide steady prog, even if slow. You can always replace the people that are holding others back or have bad attitudes. However if scheduling conflicts happen then then it can cause serious problems. PF is the Wild West and you never know what you’ll get. It can great or horrible. Like joining 7 different P6 wb2 DSR parties in one day and only 1 of them even makes it to P6.
Thank you for your video and advice to new raiders and i wanna add something on the list, new expansion prep and new tier preps are kinda different on each other, before savage release there will be 2 weeks timeline seperate from normal raid into savage on that 2 weeks timeline you need to grind tomestone and normal raid relic which converting into crafted gear equivalent item if you don't have much gil, and if you have lots of spare gil you can buy crafted hq gear on savage releases and pentameld them until you get actual tier bis, because pentameld crafted > unaugmented tome gear
also 400k for new expansion hq crafted is optimistic price XD be ready to spend 2.5m-1.5m on each crafted gear piece
Tome gear is typically equal or better than pentamelded but we’ll see what happens when the new stuff all comes out! Prices luckily weren’t too bad on my server week one of every tier in EW, but yeah it can get expensive fast
@@leth9375 its not THAT optimistic. With Endwalker they started to delay Every Savage Release after a Patch. So you always had1 Week time to prep which drastically reduces the Prices for Crafted Gear compared to other Tiers with Savage Release at the same Time as the Patch drops. Also you have 2 Weeks of Tomefarming. 1 Week for the Delay and if youre fast you could also do Hunttrains Before you go raid depending on your Timezone. We did that the Last Expansion. And 900 Tomestones is usually a Chest or Leg Piece which is a significant upgrade compared to Pentamelded HQ Craft.
Is it unrealistic for a group to expect a person to memorize the mechanics of a fight after just watching a video once, because some groups expect that after just one viewing. Unless you have a photographic memory, there's no way
I’d say that’s pretty unrealistic, yeah. Unless you’re playing at a really high level in a hardcore group. Most people need to see the mechanics in real time and die to them a few times to learn. I usually try to study and remember as much as possible up front and then reference a video guide or diagrams of mechanics as we go
Some people have lives. Or dogs and kids . Some people have jobs. Some people just don't want to rainman memorize the game, and play it for fun.
Thats why you prog after watching the video, to experience the mechanics and how to deal with them. Then, if you need to watch it again, you do so. Rinse and repeat until you’re comfortable with all the mechanics
@@brandondragon You (and by you I mean whoever's reading this and shares the same mindset) do not need to memorize EVERY step in a guide, but you should have at least an inkling of what the mechanics are and what you should be doing. If you have lives, dogs, kids, jobs or whatever and you don't want or are able to watch a 10min video twice or so before jumping into an on-tier Extreme/Savage (and if you don't have time for that you sure as hell don't have time to blind prog), then Extreme/Savage is not for you and please do not grief random people's parties by joining them. Stick to normal mode stuff, or join a static with a similar casual mentality. A raid group is not about just you, it's about all of the players, and if YOU have personal circumstances that don't allow you to do your research or to play your job competently, you don't have the right to grief 7 other people and should be kicked from every party. Also, "fun" is not opposed to "studying the fight/being able to play to a high degree of mastery". For some people the fun is clearing the fight in a reasonably quick time and not being dead weight/the weak link of their team.
@@brandondragon i'm sorry but if this is you then you shouldn't even be here/doing the savage to begin with. This mindset makes it impossible for you to learn anything and you'll most likely end up griefing groups you join with this lame excuse.
May I add one thing if you do another video like this, the important of UI for raiding, the game default can be configured more then aptly for people to optimise your UI to monitor CDs better, better placement of information within your vision.
UI optimisation is extremely important for raiding prep and practice, most serious raiders do infact change their UI layout heavily.
Good call. Might be worth a video sometime.
"if you can afford it" Gear and consumables arent that cheap when content comes out like they are now.
But you can cut down prices significantly, if you have crafts and/or gatherers. Downside is, they need up to date gear/consumables too, so it takes quite alot of prep work.
Forgot.
And then you need materias, that arent cheap either. Pentamelding is not absolutelly necessary(filling slots is minimum), but it makes big difference when that extra few percent is all it takes for the clear.
Ive played off and on since stormblood. Always wanted to try ex or higher content but can never being myself to commit. I played wow pretty much fulltime from 2004 until legion. I got some pretty serious PTSD from wow raiding and i think that what keeps me from commiting. Usually end up bailing from the game adter doing msq and daily DF, relics, anything i can do solo. I get burnt out because im very introverted (which in itself is another issue). I tried at the beginning of shb and ew but couldnt do it. Ill probably give it another go in DT. Thank you for this video, hopefully it will convince me to give it a go in DT haha
I have a pretty similar story, including the WoW part and being introverted. I ended up really enjoying the Zodiark fight, and ended up clearing the EX about 120 times. And I ended up with a static to try the raid because of it. We got to P3S before a weird dispute that had nothing to do with the raid group (market related) caused it to implode. Tried P5S in PF next tier, and it was mostly a disaster. So I decided to put off serious raiding again until DT.
Hope you end up falling in with a group! These games are definitely more fun with people to do stuff with, even if finding the right people ends up being the hardest part of MMOs
The hq tincture is 4minutes 30 s
You can penta meld crafted gear. Meaning 5bmateria.
If i could get over my social anxiety, i would love to jump into raiding. I've only ever done voidcast extreme, but I had fun with the added challenge. Between worrying about pf drama (had an ok experience when i used it for voidcast), and the anxiety of applying for a static, i'm a mess.
If you can do that one you should be all good for trying savage. Just jump in there, you got it!
I'm new to the game, pretty casual, like to dabble in most content in games but avoid hardcore endgame stuff. I'd at least like to try extreme stuff so this is still good advice for me, thanks.
I get the while practicing of an opener/rotation how do you keep up that rotation if you have to use mitigation/move out of attack range? Wouldn't that mess up your rotation?
You will (almost) never have to interrupt your opener in fights, in some fights its *harder* to keep uptime for your opener but thats where the fun and practice come in.
Your rotation can also differ from fight to fight, especially in fights with long periods of the boss leaving the arena or becoming untargeted, or in AoE add phases (which we havent had in too long 😢)
In terms of mitigation, all mitigations (almost) are OGCD so you just delay one weave by 1 GCD
Most of the time when you have to leave melee uptime or any uptime at all its during your maintenance rotation which just involves pressing your normal 123 to fill the gaps between your next 60s or 120s burst and trading 20 potency to do a ranged GCD on a melee isn't going to ruin the run.
Overall think of your rotation as a goal, not a dance. On Ninja your goal is to align your biggest, nastiest, hardest hitting abilities into the window of time in which you have cast Mug each 2 minutes. As long as you are doing that and keeping moderately ok uptime you'll do great. Each job has a goal, many of them are the same as ninja, but some are weird. I've found thinking about classes in this way helps me have fun a lot more as well as perform better and be more reactive to the game instead of trying to memorize some concrete rotation that will likely differ from fight to fight.
I find that I like PF for the first three fights, but I would always prefer a static for the fourth fight in the tier
The consistency of knowing exactly how people tend to move has definitely been nice for the last fights in the past two tiers in a static
Preach that to the partyfinder, the last fight is always horrible in pf.
practice, practice & practice..
Totally off-topic: How do you like that Earthworks Ethos? Been thinking about getting that mic myself 😅
It’s been dope so far! Seems better than a shure sm7b for the same price
Which 2 ultimates have you cleared? I feel like it's a reasonable question for understanding what you're pitching about. Like someone who's done DSR and TOP has quite a different perspective than someone who's done UWU and TEA.
I did UWU right into TOP and I’m in the last phase of DSR now
Imho I would always prefer pf over a static, freedom coupled with somewhat reasonable efficiency. But that is just me. Both would be also an option, but finding a solid longterm static ain't easy (both socially and skill level)
Im the opposite. P'fing can be so bad unless youre talking about early weeks after the raid came out. Pfing late in the tier is just terrible. Pfing in dsr right now is full of trapper who lies on their prog.
@@kahome I'll give you that one, pf is by far the best when the content is relatively new. But as someone who also pfed a few tiers very late, I'd say it's still fine. Not as good as I would like to, but better than I thought. One downside being late tho is for some fights you wait very long in pf to fill up, so that can be quite the bummer.
Would you consider it to be difficult starting out as a tank when new to final? I want to try my hand at the hardest content possible since thats what im used to in other games but I have not much experience in this game.
Tank has a different skill set to dps or healer but I wouldn’t say it’s harder necessarily. Kinda depends on the fight but there’s no reason you shouldn’t start on tank. Just have to learn when to use your cooldowns, tank swap, position the boss, etc.
@@99_Vit True and the best thing about tank is you can do some fck ups and still carry on, as long the mechanic doesn't kill you (especially good in prog), while a dps would die. So there is that.
may i ask why you dont recommend waiting until dawntrail to start raiding?
Just to get some practice in now so you can hit the ground running in DT
As a newer player who just finished HW, raiding 3x a night 3 hours a night seems impossible. We barely get 2 hours in a night and its usually for MSQ 😢 But i really wanna do harder content...
My fc does a casual mount farm for 2-3 hours once a week, and only do savage prog the same time on another day once a week. We still make decent progress and it's all friends, so you certainly don't have to play hardcore hours.
Which job is the easiest and more convinient for beginners?
Summoner, machinist, and reaper are good picks. Very easy to do really good damage on those. White mage, sage, warrior, paladin if you’re looking for a support job
I started in raiding in shadowbringers loved it. But i feel that endwalker raids have gotten way to hard for the semi casual. I know most ppl dont feel that way which is why i just straight up quit.
After process of registering and buying this game I fear nothing😅
Mentioning that you can save money on gear by farming the Normal Raid tier is slightly misleading, especially if you're serious about raiding. In reality, only one or two pieces are strictly better than their crafted counterpart. It's a great way to get passable gear for alt-jobs, but not really for serious prog.
I mean we have a 15% echo buff on all the savage raids currently. You could go into the first two fights in full dungeon gear and be fine. If you're talking about on release, then it would likely take weeks to farm a full set of normal raid gear. You'd have some tome gear as well by then. Would be perfectly fine for the first fight or two at least. Not what I would do or recommend, but it could work in a casual setting
Oh dang, I like your viera too
Most of the video is good advice but I hardly disagree on promoting the usage of tools like ACT for first timers. Let me explain. People need to understand that handling mechanics can be pretty rough and difficult for first timers. FF14 end-game content isn't the kind of content where you can just stand there doing damage and expect the rest of the group to do everything for you because you're too worried about maximizing your damage and uptime. Most of the time, even as a newcomer, you have to accept that you will be expected to handle responsabilities during encounters because thats how the hard content on this game is designed: everyone has to do stuff. Because of this, tools like ACT end up being more of a detriment than a help for newcomers because half of their brain will be worried about their damage/uptime when in reality they need to be fully focused on learning, understanding and properly handling the mechanics. Damage and uptime on these stages is the least of your concerns, as long as you do a proper opener and your 2-min rotation aligns properly with the rest of the group, you're already doing a good job on that department, but the heavy lifting is done by proper handling of mechanics. Because of this, I don't recommend newcomers to use ACT because it won't help them, instead if will be more of a distraction and an unnecesary source of stress/pressure on an instance where most of their focus should be put into learning and proper handling of the mechanics of the encounter they're learning and expecting to clear.
Also I think it's very important to set proper expectations: even regarding Extremes/Savages, this can prove a challenge for newcomers who are used to do daily roulette stuff and the hardest content they've done is Normal/Alliance raids. Extremes/Savages are already a HUGE leap on difficulty compared to the base/normal difficulty that newcomers see on their daily roulettes. What I mean with "set proper expectations" is that you, as a newcomer, should expect tons and tons of mistakes on your behalf and that fights will look super daunting and chaotic at the beggning, so don't go into a group and expect that because you watched a video and you do a decent opener and rotation, you'll do a clear after 2-3 tries, thats never going to happen unless you're expecting some sort of a carry. Probably the most likely scenario is that you'll wipe several times, probably the entire 60min timer, on the first 3-4 basic set of mechanics, and some of those wipes will be caused directly by a mistake made by you. This scenario is pretty normal and you have to go in there expecting tons and tons and tons of wipes, sometimes because of your fault, sometimes another person made a mistake, sometimes the party leader made a wrong call, but failure is the thing that you should expect. Despite this, my advice is that you persevere, go with the mindset that you're going to tackle the kind of content that will ask you to be on your 100% which includes your rotation, your situational awareness, your memory, etc, so though your first experiences might feel unrewarding and dissapointing, keep persevering and never forget this is a game, the most important thing is to have fun.
Another thing is that you can totally raid in other DCs if you find an FC that organize learning runs, basically a learning static for newcomers. I personally had a bad experience trying my hand on Aether PF because you see a lot of groups that are advertised as "learning runs" or "newcomers welcome" but the leader/teacher quickly loses their patience/temper after 3-4 wipes and my advice is that, if you get into one of those groups where the party leader starts insulting or has some kind of weird behaviour towards people making mistakes, always assume thats not the kind of place you should be in and never play with that person again. There is a lot of people, both in FCs or in the PF that are super patient and provide a safe environment for newcomers to learn where they're encouraged and be given proper lifting of spirits when they start to feel bad about their mistakes. But the most important advice when learning, as someone who taught me and encouraged me into trying hard content, is that "a group where people keep secrets to themselves are groups that are doomed to fail", what I mean is that, most of the time, when people make mistakes, due to past experiences, they feel like they should hide their mistake and try to avoid any negative attention towards themselves, either to avoid the shame of being the one who made the mistake or whatever, the point is that behaviour will never ever lead you to proper learning and succeeding in the long run. Always be open about anything you don't understand, ask questions, prove to yourself you're serious about wanting to learn and improve.
I miss raiding in Primal.
Raiding is still pretty alive in Primal ~
Surely it’ll be back in dawntrail 🙏
@@99_Vit I'm hoping for a Cross DC Party Finder one day.
@@EpickBoi for sure. That would solve so many issues. Load times might get interesting though haha
I’d love to but hard to find anyone especially if you don’t use add ons. People are toxic and impatient on top of it. Even in the party finder they will tell you they are here for practice blah blah but if your group dies 2 times someone always leaves and then the rest of the party follow. Despite those negatives I’ll still keep trying. 😂
People leave on wipes because their time is on the line, its hardly toxic.
If someone joins a Prog group and that prog group is at a mechanic 8 minutes into a fight and the party is consistently wiping 2 minutes in its very clear that they are not practiced enough to be at the current prog point.
Prog (Progression) styled raiding works by you **mastering** each mechanic one step at a time. If you have not mastered the mechanic and are not able to do it 999 out of 1,000 times, then you are not ready to be progging the next mechanic and sacrificing other people's time and energy for your own gain, it actually is toxic but its not the people leaving who are being toxic, its the ones who are purposefully lying about their knowledge at a certain point in a fight and expecting that other people will just sacrifice their time and energy to do it for them.
You're both right. People leaving because the party can't reach the listed prog point isn't toxic, but leaving after getting to the prog point and not everybody instantly learns it on the first try is. What I personally find more toxic than any of that are the people that stay in parties they are clearly not prepared for (George!) and berate anyone that tries to tell them how to do better. ("You don't pay my sub!")
@@SapphireDragon357 That is the absolute worst
the saddest thing about raiding and clearing ultimates that nobody gives a shit 💀so make the prog and clearing your personal good time to remeber those times, a healthy static helps with that.
either get lucky with finding statics to do content at your pace or be stuck in pf hell like i did for 2 years, it's just not fun to see people playing with friends in groups when i'm all alone on dead EU ....
Don’t. Just don’t coming from somebody who did ultimates for years, if you enjoy the current game, once you step into raiding there is no turning back. Everything else will feel blend and boring.
You skip to Endwalker, your first EX trial was on Endwalker and make video how to start raiding? You don't even have the hours of experience for that. Lol. Go check the baldy Xeno, or Arthur or even hell, Happy. Lol
why does it matter? bro has done a few ultimates, cleared savages, idk what more you want.. someone who plays the game for 10 yrs but hasn’t finished the ults or someone who’s more recent and knows the game lol.
I didn’t skip anything lol I have like 5,000 hours in the game
@@timmyseaton9190they want him to go through the story for the second time xdd bc they think the story teaches them how to play the game ☠️☠️☠️.
There are players who has more hours than a sprout yet most of them has only done the story so they have no idea what they are doing compaired to a sprout that did ults/savages.
@99_Vit you‘re doing well. Do your thing❤
@@timmyseaton9190 Found the salty veteran who's never entered an Ultimate and grey parses normal content.