Ultimate War Thunder Sherman Tank Tier List
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P 51 tier List
Considering you included the Ram (which is not a sherman) into the tier list you should've included the M10 wolverine, and the M36/M36B2 since unlike the Ram they use the Sherman chassis (the Ram uses the M3 Lee/Grant chassis)...
The reason the Ram doesn't seem shermany is because it isn't. It's based on the M3 Lee (the designation is just missleading)
okay you beat me to it :)
why was it designated M4A5? shouldn’t it be under the M3 name?
@@ObjectPe-iirc, it was based on the Lee but made by Australia (or Canada) as an interim equivalent while the M4 was being produced, so its designation is that of a Sherman cause it basically was their version of a Sherman. I can’t remember all the details cause I rarely grind America’s tech tree though
@@ObjectPe-it wasn't. It was called Infantry tank Ram. The Ram is the Canadian take on upgrading the M3 into better standards. But it would be wwird for a Sherman looking tank to be not called Sherman. And since the USA Shermans are called by their designation they just followed the norm
@ObjectPe- the M4A5 has dubious historical precedent as it was supposedly the name the US assigned in on trials, the Canadian name was Tank, Cruiser Ram Mk II
If you ever feel useless. remember, the TOG 2 has two machine gunners that stare at a wall.
We call them "organic spall liner"
These men are just manning the kitchen, gotta have that 4 course dinner ready.
What happened to the T14
@@dayronsilvar2325it exists
and even when you equip the mg's, they still don't work.
The ikea sherman's hull machinegunner is actually an assistant driver. All sherman hull machinegunners are assistant drivers, manning the machinegun is just a secondary role.
But gaijin is affraid of the term "assistant driver", and they name every "other" crewman a machinegunner
cool fact, thanks
Im always confused why the hull mg just doesnt work, thanks
Ye but gameplay wise they're absolutely useless and just there as either meatshield or backup crew
Oh shit, if gaijin sees this then they might make it that when you lose one, there will be a delay of 1 second from pressing the keyboard to the tanks actually turn😮
@@Unknown_Comrade_ i think they largely removed their use from most tanks
@@sparkling925 But why
Fun fact: Every nation in war thunder has at least one version of sherman. It's the only vehicle to do so.
wait... japan has a sherman!? wicked.
I don't think Germany gets a Sherman, at least I've never seen one in the tech tree or premium line.
@@100titaniclover4it has an old event, collector sherman
@@100titaniclover4It’s literally in the video
@100titaniclover4 the first German tank premium, granting access to ground beta, was an m4a2
They bring it back as a 60$ pack sometimes
Fun fact: The M4A2 series was primarily used by the US Marines because it uses a unique diesel engine, which is useful since they largely cooperated with the Navy which used oil and diesel to fuel their ships. In fact, the Marines were extremely adamant in giving up their M4A2s when transitioning to the "Easy Eight" M4A3E8 at the war's end.
This diesel engine also probably explains why the M4A2 is the only Sherman found in the Soviet Tech tree, due to Soviet tanks being based around diesel engines.
The army saw M4A2s expifically as an export variant of the Sherman. Due to this, the US army never used the M4A2 in Europe, while the UK and USSR made extensive use of it.
Well soviets didn't rely on diesel tanks only. T-40 (and all that 38's and etc) T-60 and T-70 light tanks and also first series T-34 and KV's and lots of others used petrol engines.
TBH I didn't get why at the end M-17 t was swapped out with V2 diesel engine (because said diesel was heavier, more expensive to produce and wasn't better in any aspect and relied on GERMANS fuel system by Bosch which became a huge headache during the war.
@@teolynx3805I think its because they specifically wanted a diesel engine as diesel fuel is harder to ignite, improving the tanks survivability when hit.
@@RainShadow-yi3xr it's harder to ignite with open flames but when fuel tanks hit with AP or even API shell there's no difference between diesel and gas they both ignite well in such condition.
And diesel fuel is harder to extinguish.
Super nitpicky note about the German Sherman - It has only been on sale a few times, closer to about once every three years. It was last for sale during the 10th anniversary in 2022, the German Unity Day celebration in 2020, the 5th anniversary in 2017 and the pre-order for ground forces in 2014.
Fun fact-console players get the ability to have it on sale for the whole month for $60 with no cap on how many will be available so at the end of December you could still buy it
It was also the only M4A2 until recently that had the smoke grenade mortars, I forget when the American M4A2 ended up getting its smoke grenades added
I know I'm a bit late, but just to add more salt. Gaijin loves to sell it in limited quantities, all released on a single global time. Best hope you aren't at work or sleeping when they release it.
I'd also toss the T14 into special mentions. While technically it is its own separate thing it really is just a wide sherman, and it plays like a lower BR Jumbo.
the m4a1 76 W was arguably the best tank in the whole game especially when it was still at 4.7
Nah, it's always been worse than the 75mm equipped M4A1.
@@jojomaster7675such a bait lol
@@Deceit-hx7ey Nah, it genuinely has always been slightly worse br for br. The 75 is better at 3.3. than the 76 was at 4.7, and the armour is obviously better lower down.
@@jojomaster7675it's armor is meaningless with the blister weakspots
@@Mystic-Midnight It's meaningless at 4.7. At 3.3. it isn't. It's unreliable, yes, but it can bounce off panicked shots from weak gunned enemies. And that's really all you need when you have a stabiliser and the enemy does not.
My favourite sherman is the Sherman firefly, that tank just has done me well. It keeps on kicking and doesn't complain. It takes out tiger H1's without too much of a kurfaffle and is actually one of the more pleasant gun platforms at that BR e.g. Avenger and Comet (bastards). Overall one of my most pleasant sherman experiences. 5.3 Jumbo was also my favourite thing to play for a while before it got moved up in BR, but jokes on gaijin, I was already playing it in my USA 5.7 lineup, and I STILL LOVE IT. It was the first tank I could play that could shrug off some of the german firepower and boy did I milk that thing for all it's worth, to this day it's still my most played tank.
I guess it’s just a matter of bias to how well we do in the vehicles, really. I mean I DESPISE the Firefly because it just can’t do the one job it was made to do (destroy tanks) at 4.7. It’s, in my opinion, one of the only vehicles that I will spawn in, immediately think ‘why did I waste spawn points on this?’ and then I will be guaranteed to not have fun.
@@funny_joke_goes_here4406 haha, the duality of the warthunder experience. What sherman do you enjoy?
@@funny_joke_goes_here4406that’s because Gaijin made solid shot practically useless, when it was just as good as APHR irl
@@cyberdroid2300 Surprisingly, the Sherman II always seems to give me some luck, even in a full uptier. I have no idea why lmao, it’s not like I’m good in it or understand how to use it properly, I just seem to do well with it.
Same with me. It’s the first tank i was able to actually stop shells from penetrating me
Here is a list of timestamps:
0:25 Skink
1:25 M4 Tipo IC
2:17 Sherman VC
3:05 M4A1 (75)
3:49 M-51
6:25 Sherman Firefly & Polish version
7:54 M4A2 (76) W
8:58 M4A4 (SA50)
10:28 WT mobile M4
10:48 M4 Hybrid (Italy)
11:11 M4A4(s)
11:53 M4
12:19 Sherman III/IV (Sweden)
13:26 German Sherman
14:40 M4A2
15:19 M4A3E2
16:40 M4A3E8/M4A3 (76) W | Should be in S tier. How dare you Zoltan
17:12 Calliope
18:59 M4A1
19:59 M4A3E2 (76) W
21:20 Honorable mentions
22:18 M4A1 (FL10)
23:16 M4A1 (76) W
24:33 M4A3 (105)
King shit
The m4a1 and m4a3 76 only differ by hull iirc
It's just a minor inconvienience but when he says that the M4A1 (76) W is the first moist tank in the list, when the M4A1 (75) W is also most. So it should be the M4A1 (75) W not M4A1 (75).
I have the german sherman. I picked up both packs back in the day. My friends called me mad, but there was a idea behind the madness. Gajin allowed it into sim battles....
I played hundreds of matchs in sim in it, back where other nations other than allies, didnt have them. I got to fool sooo many people it was hilarious. I died more to friendlys that just had muscle memory to shoot rather than actual enemy players. It was really good times and a fond memories of mine.
the italian VC APDS is very useful in uptiers as it can pen panthers and jumbos through the hull which the shot mk8 cannot do, rarely a one shot but if you aim on the right you'll always get gunner/driver and can finish it in a second shot
IMO the Tipo IC and VC are actually fairly decent as someone who's played them a lot as an italian main, although tbf they're the only fireflies I've played, but from what I can tell they aren't any less mobile than the equivalent IC and VC fireflies in any other tree
the IC feels decently more mobile than the VC to me, being 4 or 5 tons less iirc, and at that BR cast hull or not you aren't stopping pretty much anything, so it really only makes a difference against autocannons. It also trades out the ammo rack in the hull next to the driver back for extra crew member, so it's back up to 5 crew rather than the 4 fireflies normally have, so it's actually MORE survivable in my experience
Meanwhile the VC trades a bit of mobility, the extra crew member, and .3 BR, for the APDS, which is nice to have as a backup in case you run into anything really heavy or get uptiered, and tbh I find it can still do decent when used at a slightly higher tier due to the sabot
Italian firefly vc is prety good actualy the turret speed and the reload speed make it a monster oviusly is a sherman you never trust your own armor
So just like rest of tree, you snipe
@@FifingFossil yea i duno how yo spec to cqb with all the shermnas i now the jumbos but those are apart if you want me to go full🤓 about how should a tank design for infatery suport be play in a game that is tank on tank
And i can go even deper if the projectiles work as irl its another level of 🤓
@@leonardo-m2524buddy you cannot 🤓 on that kind of spelling and grammar
@@dbio305 yea i cant im mexian i cant write well
The Italian Firefly is built on an Composite M4 so it's IC, not VC
The sherman is one of the most tanks of all time
the t 34 57 is the moste tank of all time followed by the t72
I disagree on the Skink, Yes, it's completely overtiered (and went up even further recently), but it's one of the only SPAA that is able to survive most strafing runs. Granted, it's not the best SPAA, but far from the worst. Also, its hull MG actually works, which should put it in S tier regardless of anything else.
Agreed. Skink, when used properly as a AA vehicle, is a fun little thing to play :)
@@Meczyk ironically the skink irl never got to be used for it's intended role lol
as a german main i love playing shermans , especially early ones because the armour is pretty good and you dont have to constantly think about angleing (ofc i know the sherman front armour is even better at a slight angle) my favourite sherman is the 105 sherman perfect counter to what i usually play.
You don’t have to think about angling cause everything’s just gonna one shot you anyway 🤣
@wagonracing8538 nope havent been one shot by any tank other than he slingers. You probably havent played it or you play it wrong.
@@AlRizz187 Play style wont change shit whether you get 1 shot or not. Generally speaking tanks such as the marder 2h with the russian 76 mm is gonna go through and one shot you. Same with any tank that uses APHE rounds that are either 75 mm or above.
the sherman 105 is criminally undertiered.
@@wagonfixin Having increased vitality in the Shermans does (eventually) start making the crew survive much more bullshit, if nothing else, the driver and radio operator (so the tank can limp at the very least).
My current (RB) kill record is 15 Kills in the 3.3 M4A1, the 50cal and stabilized 75 go though pretty much anything, I would put it in S tier
I actually got the Captured M4 Sherman when Gaijin made it briefly available to buy on the console stores, extremely fun machine and occasionally in realistic and sim battles when nobody is paying attention you find yourself in hilariously situations like when enemy Shermans think you're one of them
Probably because I played it before solid shot got nerfed, but I loved the firefly, I found it to be the perfect balance of mobility, armour and firepower at its BR. Now it’s likely to be facing Panthers and Tigers more often it might struggle
Composite Firefly in F tier!?!?!? I'm flabbergasted. Utterly dumbfounded.
I know right!
He didn't even give it extra points for Sex appeal
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My favourite Sherman is the Trzyniec. It's the first tank I ace crewed. (The second being the tech tree firefly.) Can pen anything it faces frontally with the exception of maybe jagdpanzers. An Absolute monster with the turret traverse and reload speed.
the only thing I don’t agree with here is the m4a2s placement, in my opinion its an easy S tier as it performs so well in CQC I’ve even gotten games where I get 15+ kills in one life.
Legit my favourite and most played vehicle of all of War Thunder
i don't think that the 105 is the king anymore.. now with it moving up to 3.0 it gets uptierd to 3.7 a bit to much, where it becomes very meh, also using the gun is quite tricky at times because of the traverse but also because of the shells it fires, the HE and HEAT are not one shot killers on just about any medium or heavy tank and with the long reload that will get you killed quite often. Still great tho, insane armor for the br and great speed and manouverability (for beeing bacicly a heavy at 3.0)
I find using it like you would a M10 it works rather well.
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M51 being so low is CRIMINAL
I can understand it, low Br HEAT is so hit or miss, quite literally. Like you'll hit a lamp bracket on the enemy tank and suddenly the whole round has disappeared into the shadow realm. Couple that with a long reload, and terrible suspension that takes ages to stop the tank from rocking, you'd expect it to be a sniping tank. But the gun has really bad ballistics and the round will detonate on a random bush or fencepost.
The only really good thing about it is the mantlet.
@Deuce_and_a_half The heat can comfortably 1-2 shot every tank it meets
The ballistics? It's round is comparable in speed to an IS2
Survivability? Played hull down, you'll always survive getting shot at and the depression is quite good.
M51 is easily one of the strongest machines at its BR
Completely agree with your list! Love the shout-outs to the planes as well
I have the german sherman and I must say this tank is a lot of fun :D! Having the german 7,5 cm guns on YOUR side ( mostly ) makes the game way better ;D
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Just about to say that but that tank with the bushes joke was funny af
Love the add mid video bro smooth transition
I always find it questionable when good players play low br
As a new player I want to learn the game and not be thrown in a pot with 10 lvl 100s and 4 lvl 5s
now dont get me wrong here I find it ok at like br 4 but I sadly see a lot of people in br 1-3 who completely destroy new players
M4A5 was just an american nameing system for Ram which is based on Grant tank which is M3 Lee
Sherman are very fun to play in especially 105 Sherman
The M51 is really fun to play and the HEAT shells can be a problem sometimes however 400MM of pen at any distance. Decent reload, turret traverse, mobility, and the protection can be ok.
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the firefly at least for me has always been a monster. i continued using it until 6.7 when it got replaced by the tortoise. the 17 pounder for me has always been reliable even with apds on the Challenger.
Nice video man!
My favorite Sherman? Impossible decision. They’re all my favorite. The Sherman is the best tank of WW2. There’s no comparison
15:00 can confirm, a Sheman hull once ate my 128mm AP at center mass
The good point about the apds for the tipo is the ballistics as well, so take a few for long range shots.
Even with recent specials the FL10 isnt widely known either, so it's amazing to surprise lower mid BR players with a fast autoloader.
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The easy 8 sherman is still.my favorite. Think its the m4a3e8 hvss. That 76 mixed with a stabilizer and upgraded suspension is just a chefs kiss imo
Zoltan the apds is basically a secondary munition, like HE, so take a few like 6-8 for those up tiers when you run into heavier armor the Mk.8 might not be able to work against.
Honorable mention: M8A1 - The baby not-a-Sherman
Just saying, if you take a Sherman cannon and stick it into a light tank... it's kind of a Sherman.
They recently upgraded the Italian m4 hybrid so it got much better front hull armor, even though it's cast and rounded. My favourite Sherman to play by now. Especially that it has a very effective Italian premium set up at the 3.7 br
The monument on Normandy also works for the Germany kv-1 because it has some great turkey and frontal armor
This is why its so fun using the US tech tree at br 3 to 6.
Have a problem? We have a sherman for that!
17:20
That tank is the bane of existence for every Enlisted player who plays Axis Normandy.
Israel Sherman was fun for me because in Alaska i learned that the turret could bounce king tiger shells
the US sherman lineup is really silly because right now there arent any shermans between BR 4 and 5
The Ram tank was built on a very old Sherman chassis. Originally named the Kangaroo, it actually didn’t come standard with a turret. It was an open-top personnel carrier. Used by Canadian ground forces during and even years after wwii.
my best sherman ive played in the entire game is the M-51, it is such a great vehicle at its BR and it's gotten me one time a almost 15 kill game!
love using the sherman II, such a meme
It's funny how different the same equipment behaves for different players. Cause I find cast hull Shermans super survivable. So much so that I can regularly bounce panther 75's and tiger 88's. Another example is APDS; I get AMAZING results when they pen
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4:44 its better if you go to settings and disable the adjust while braking thing. at least its down to one bounce, instead of the over adjustment and then re aim
No way is the Skink F-Tier, one of my favorite, and one of the most reliable AA in the game.
Easily the Premium Firefly followed by M4A2 (75) Ram ll , and M4A1 (76). the best tanks I’ve ever played. The non cast hull Sherman bounce SO many shells when you angle well and I can go on killing sprees. I love Shermans!
The manscaped ad gave me mad nostalgia for the Horrible Histories shouty man skits
“It’s got gun depression like a Russian tank.” So none then.
Skink is amazing. If AA struggles against ground vehicles it doesn't mean that AA is bad.
It's a friking AA after all🙄
"But annoyingly,the are completely covered up by the trackarmour"
That track armour also makes the IC Firefly into a VC,apparently^^
Hands down my favorite sherman is the 76 Jumbo, I was never a fan of it's BR increase but whenever I get tired of playing top tier I go down to 6.3 and remind the german mains why the Jumbo is at 6.3. Such a fun tank to play tbh.
Gotta love the french jumbo. So much fun.
We need a video like this but t-34s. Nevermind, Gai is the best one
I remember the good old day when us 4.7 line up used to be m4a1 76 w, jumbo 75 and m6a1 with the p47d28, trully a bygone era
Zoltan: Talking about calliope rocket ammo problem.
18:38 - I’d RACK-ommend this tank
my favorate sherman is the m4a4 sa50 because of that penetration and of course i used the m4a4 to research into rank 4 because its so nice for a 3.7
edit: i took it up to 6.7 with the amx 13 and amx m4 before i got the french m26 since it has the same gun as the amx i was able to kill quite a few enemies with it
Ain’t no way the VC is that low, it’s so good
I call the M4A2 the “commando” Sherman with how much kit it’s got, smoke shells and smoke grenades I’ve hidden entire friendly groups in while tricking an enemy bomber to drop a payload into a blank smoke field.
I remember the German Sherman, back in the day when tanks first came out and I was genuinely intrigued with the game mode it was the only Sherman
Oh how the game was different before it blew up
The m4a3 105 was my first ever sherman and yeah its super powerful.
We need more shermans. Especially for the different Hull Variants of the Fireflys, Sa-50s, Fl-10s, and ofc mah M4A3 and M4A2 75/76(W) HVSS
The French M4A1 with an auto loader is an absolute BEAST. I paired it with both EBRs and absolutely run lobbies.
I love shermans there design is so master piece of metal
I love the tier list, although I do disagree with a few of your points. The biggest one being is how you add the FL10 but just a few moments prior say you won’t include things like the M4/T26 because it features another tanks hull.
One of ur old videos u brought up American thermals for drivers on the styker and Bradley it’s because of the dve(driver visibility equipment) I was a Stryker driver in the icvva1 variant Stryker it has black hot, white hot, regular gauges, temperature gauges, and regular camera vision
The 1128 has the 105 but the one I drove had a 50 cal mount and mark 19 mount for the rws ( remote weapon system) with the control screen having multiple reticles thermals and joystick for the weapon a charging button but had to manually reload the weapon after 100 rounds of 50 or 50 of 40mm
Thought u would like the information it’s mine and my little brother favorite vehicle and are grinding for it love the stryker
shouty man bit brings me back
M4a2 at least a tier good gun with stab solid mobility and trolly armor if you keep moving overall the sherman i most enjoyed just above the m4a3 76 and the m4a1
The Soviet Sherman is great on maps where you can really use some gun depression. Its handy to have in the lineup. Still, my fav is the M4A1 at 3.3 BR.
The 3.3 M4A1 is possibly my favorite tank in the game right now, I would maybe place it S tier. It's such a capable tank, and the fact that it can go with the F6F (which just recently got even more powerful) is just brilliant, plus the M5A1 and M4A3(105) can hold their own at that br to fill out the lineup.
The 105 used to be super OP and made 2.7 possibly the most fun, but it's still pretty good especially decked out with bumblebee stripes and fun decorations.
I haven't played the higher rank USA Shermans as much in recent years but occasionally I do and am pleasantly surprised
Him at the end:you must be a Sherman enthusiast. Me,a German main:💀
The Tippo and Sherman VC are both actually just Fireflies
my fav is split between m4a3 76 and T14 both are very nice looking and effective
0:40 Looks at Kugelblitz at 7.0 😶
Yeah I’m quite a Sherman fan. Honestly if I had to pick a favourite Sherman, it’s either the M4 83 E2 76 so or the OK I got three actually the Sherman Pershing and the M4 8376 W.
20:00 the jumbo 76 i have been very recently getting up-tiered to 7.0 and sometimes 7.3 it's to the point where I refuse to play it now
I take the 105 sherman up to br 5.3-5.7, and by god it still puts in work.
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that is crazy how 2 identical Shermans Italian firefly and British are not on the same tier, honestly looking like a skill issue from author as Sherman Firefly is probably one of the best Shermans in the game
sir they are not the same
Yeah I agree, as soon as I saw him put the firefly so low I stopped watching.
If I had to pick a favorite non sherman sherman (a vehicle on a modified sherman chassis) I’d have to say it’s the Achilles mainly coz that 17 pounder at 3.3 is devastating
nice to see the Sherman 105 getting love.
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