Miscellaneous Myths: Orion
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- čas přidán 9. 07. 2020
- Look! Up in the sky! It's a giant! It's a hunter! It's Orion!
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whoops, uh - YES, way back in my Endymion video I DID say that Artemis loved Orion, but in my defense, I was a much less diligent researcher back then, and that little nugget of "common knowledge" was EVERYWHERE I LOOKED. I had to do some serious digging this time to find where it came from and how unsupported it really was. I wasn't kidding - that interpretation was so appealingly tropey that it eclipsed the MUCH larger body of work that completely contradicted it, and even completely unrelated articles and descriptions will mention "btw Artemis and Orion were totally smoochin" like it's a Thing. Mythology is fun like that! 😅 -R
Mythology really do be like that sometimes.
...basically all the time actually
Mythology: So confusing that it will confuse you as to what the word "confusion" even means
Overly Sarcastic Productions Yep, admittedly it was he only story I ever encountered either. And I consider myself well versed! Well, there goes my ‘Artemis is demiromantic’ headcanon LOL
@@russergee49 same lol
I mean, they definitely weren't smooching, but whether there was romantic emotions on the table at all, or if it was one sided, or whatever is up for debate.
The work saying there was is still part of the body of work. And as you pointed out, debating the canon of theology is ultimately a work of absurdity unless the behavior is so wildly out of character it has to be explained another way.
I feel like the phrase "because Zeus is an asshole" is the impetus behind roughly 90% of Greek mythology.
50% at the most. Gaia and the titans had the monopoly first
More like „so Zeus wanted to bang that woman...“
@@atriumgamesmore4336 To be fair, if you look at their ancestors, they are as much moral as they could ever be.
what about, “Unfortunately, Zeus was feeling horny.”
@@dumbidiot5584 That phrase applies tow half the male side of the pantheon. Apollo, Poseidon, Kronos all being arguably as bad. At least most of the time when Zeus gets randy, we get a hero or a god. Poseidon just makes monsters 9 times out of 10
Orion: *Dies*
Zeus: omg this is so sad Alexa play counting stars
Zeus: "I gotchu bro" *turns him into stars so he can keep being a creep*
cool
Lmao
Zeus is the biggest dudebro.
Bank. Cc
Artemis: I love no man.
Artemis: But that one... (Orion)
Artemis: I enjoy his company.
They had us in the first half not gonna lie
Well, that's just adorable.
Yeah they were jusr friends yo
Imagine losing your best bro- 😔
I ship it
I have my suspicions that Zeus turned the Peliades, Orion, and the Scorpion who killed him into stars for the sole purpose of setting up an internal Scooby-Doo chase across the sky
i now have the mental image of Zeus humming the Scooby Doo theme while plotting this exact set up lol.
ngl Zeus has got my support if that was the reason
@Balance of The hill What about when he helped Psyche?
@Balance of The hill yeah he gave her a hawk to help her out, the only time he saw a mortal and didn’t want to fuck her im pretty’s sure
@Balance of The hill True, either that Or Eros’s absence also got rid of his hornyness for a bit
I just like to think Artemis and Orion were just hunting buddies and everyone kept assuming shit
Yeah, it even sounds realistic. I'll go with that too.
It's like the opposite of every lesbian in history.
Historian: Yeah, Sapphos poems were 100% straight guys, they were just good buds- wait... is that a man... and a woman? Now this is relationship goals
DisguisedZoroark like they do little competitions
Artemis: bet you can’t hunt that thing!
Orion: like hell I can’t
Thomas Varblow she coulda just killed him herself
@@21eienni Artemis would only confirm they were "dating" to either, 1. Bail out Orion if he really fucked up, 2. If arrows weren't enough of a deterrent to get a guy to leave her alone, 3. So Apollo wouldn't look too closely at that ass
This is like the Lesbian with her football Jock best friend
So basically, Artemis and Orion were just vibing and then the shippers came along.
NONONO, don't drag us into this. We ship the ship; we don't ship the bros.
That's all on the boomers who think a guy and a gal can't be friends.
Nah, just historians who were like "Two people of the opposite sex? Ah, they must've been fisting one another"
Orion is just a teddy bear Artemis keeps around.
Yep. It's always the shippers
‘Looks like the shippers are at it again’
long ago, artemis and orion were living happily and in balance.
*_but everything changed when the shippers attacked_*
Only canon, the master of all stories, could stop them. But when the world needed him most, he vanished
@@adeleaslan8182 THE ATLA BAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
@@vivi-bz2xh lol YES
bruh
A couple thousand years past and the new generations made decided that Artemis and Orion being together was gross, so they took matters into their own hands.
So Orion and Artemis were friends but everybody kept shipping them really hard... man, mythology do work like fandoms sometimes!
A Pantheon is only what you make of it, making it the only time where your stupid ship can actually be canon if enough people believe it.
In many ways, mythology and folklore are the OGs of fandoms (in a technical sense). It's things humans have been doing even before civilization was established. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@NHDOreBros I like mythology in that way, it doesn't set a straight canon, you can believe what you want to believe about the mythology because it's about interpretation. If you believe Orion and Artemis were lovers then go ahead, no one is gonna tell you you're wrong because that would put them in a confusing position between being both right and wrong at the same time, since the other versions of the myth are equally canon to the mythology.
@@Scarshadow666 Does that mean Zeus was that one character who got shipped with EVERYONE?
@@animalia5554
Funnily enough, _yes._ Zeus's numerous infidelities resulted from him being identified with local deities in mainland Greece who had their own consorts.
Male poets and painters: Orion is the only man Artemis ever loved.
Artemis: No, but I understand the confusion here, see Orion was the only man I ever *liked*
Wait, what of Hippolytus?
Platonic love if you would.
Considering that us Ace dudes seem to be as rare as hen's teeth (Especially if they ALSO have to be skilled enough hunters to earn Artemis' respect), that number of precisely 2 male hunters that Artemis was cool with seems to line up pretty well.
Artemis: if I had a nickel for every time...
Also Artemis: I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot but it's still weird that it happened twice.
Sad Apollo noises
My personal favorite part of Orion's myths is the fact that he can literally walk on water, yet his most famous death is entirely predicated on him being neck-deep in the ocean. The guy is so unlucky he decides to go for a swim *ONCE* and immediately gets shot.
HA GET RECKED ORION (jk Orion is my favorite Greek deity)
Jesus Christ
He could have been waking on the water and was just over the horizon so only his head was showing
@@captainahab5522 I guess, but I like the idea that Artemis didn't recognize Orion because he decided to swim today.
@@timothymclean I worked it out roughly
Artemis can shoot over 20km accurately
Historians on Orion and Artemis: Yeah, definitely a couple, no question.
Historians on Achilles and Patroclus: Yeah, definitely best friends, no question, no romance there whatsoever.
"Fuck the gays"
- historians
I mean to be fair, Achilles had multiple explicit romances with women; his relationship with Patroclus was subtext at best.
@@arcahmwinters70 to be fair a lot of queer people in history have had straight relationships. Look at Frederick the Great
Poets: Friendship between a man and a woman is impossible. Artemis and Orion were totally in love.
Also poets: You know all these obvious gay couples in myths? Yeah, for sure they were only friends/cousins.
i know right! like what about Achilles!
Artemis and Sappho are polar opposites in terms of being straightwashed.
Despite most mythologies especially Greeks openly having gay relationships in their myths
You forgot that one where two gods shared a page in a book, so they totally were a husband and wife
*ahem*
*sapho*
Orion, otherwise known as one of the only constellations that actually looks like what it’s supposed to be
lmao
XD
SO TRUE
But with no head
I thought of cassiopeia after I read this.
Becca G another one would be Draco, a serpetine dragon.
Orion: Was blinded, then got his eyesight restored by staring at the sun
Me: Could've sworn it's usually the opposite
It worked for Dante
Maybe Helios can mimic LASIK.
Nah, you must have bad sources OP. Go and try, you'll see.
Pun intended.
Must be one of those homeopathic thingies
Wanted to make a Dante joke but someone already took it 😢
Only way to perceive Artemis x Orion:
"Love you bro"
"Bro same, I killed a deer for you bro."
"Aw thanks bro! I'll kill a bull for you bro!"
Platonic and sweet, Bromance!
100th like AND YES!
sound like a indian man would say bro
Bromance and seeing each other as siblings in Greek mythology, well I thought people learned enough myths to understand this.
@@gilgamesh7652 Maybe that's what got Apollo so mad; he was jealous of Orion for taking his place as Artemis' brother
@@samuellawrencesbookclub8250 Well Apollo is kind of a creepy guy so I don't know what to say about his jealousy.
But remember that we are talking about Greek Mythology so "just friends" is way too unrealistic.
In other variants, Zeus was worried because divine chicks were having catfights because of Orion.
My favorite has to be that version where Orion and Artemis are just friends and the only reason he dies is because Apollo is a disaster bi with zero concept of being able to remain friends with someone without developing romantic feelings for them.
I love disaster bi Apollo
So Fanfiction has a much longer history than I thought...
Humans haven't changed only their toys.
Look up the sages of the Talmud and Mishna.
It’s basically one of the earliest known fanfics to us.
The guy who wrote the myth about Medusa also was a prolific fanfic writer, I think Red already made a video about him.
Let me introduce you to Launcelot, totally original character do not steal
Did you know that the version of the more popular backstory of Medusa is also kind of a fan fiction? It debuted in Ovid's metamorphoses, which is Roman and not Greek! In the original Greek version Medusa is born a monster and she is instead seduced by Poseidon while Athena had nothing to do with it!
I keep writing the same thing about Medusa all the time😑
Orion: I fear no man
Orion: But that... thing
Scorpion: *claps pincers*
Orion: It scares me
Scorpion: pinch pinch bitch boi
*Scorpio does crab dance with Cancer in the background*
Scorpion:im bout to ruin this man's whole career
KAKAKAKAKAKAK this is wonderful! PRANK! It is terrible! I looked in the mirror and saw something UNPRETTY: my face. KAKAKAKAKAKA! But I am happy agayn because I have TWO HOT GIRLFRIENDS and I use them to get views on my videos! KAKAKAKAK!!! Good day, dear will
We Scorpios have an astrological sign! I've met Leos, and Libras, and Pieces...s...'s...s' (can anyone help with that? I can't figure out the obscure third-person non-possessive plural to "Pieces".). But I've never met an "Orion"! One the one hand, I feel victorious, being a Scorpio! On the other hand... it would... actually be kind of cool to meet an Orion.
I actually like the idea of Orion being such a great hunter that the goddess of the hunt was like "DUDE, SICK SHOT" and they just become hunting bros
Apollo:I THOUGHT I WAS YOU'RE BRO 😭
I just love the dynamic of Apollo and Artemis asking each other to kill people that offended them in some way
Zeus: this is such a tragedy, but I shall immortalize these beings in the night sky, to be safe and free of fear
Also Zeus: hey, you know what would be funny...
To have Seiya burn his cosmos to ruin your perfect teeth? Yeah that would be funny
haha scorpion go brrrr
Like Red said Zeus is an asshole
@@SensaiRyu I'm going to write my own translation/compilation of Greek myths someday and "So Zeus was an asshole and..." will be the opening for every story in it.
Scorpio: Putting Orion up in the stars-
Hades: Doing your job?
OSP: Orion is a very interesting character
Literally everyone else: heh heh sky man go sparkle
Sparkle Sparkle
😂😂😂
✨✨✨
Astrophotographers: Hehe cool orion nebulas go brrrr
That’s what the ancestors said. Gotta be legit.
I like the interpretation that Orion and Artemis were just friends and Apollo got too protective
*orion's death was first mentioned in Homer's odyssey where it is stated that Artemis slew orion in ortygia* *Hesiod in his book astronomy fragments (8BC - 7BC) that orion was blinded because he tried to assault a king's daughter . Orion later went to crete and spent his time hunting with artemis . Once he boasted that he'd kill all the animals gaia ( earth) sent a scorpion to kill him yet the author pseudo -apollodorus (2AD) says Artemis killed orion because he challenged or tried to assault her nymph opis thus both Apollo and Artemis killed him . so either way the earliest Version suggest that Artemis or gaia killed him not Apollo*
As I read it, Artemis was so impressed by Orion's archery that she let him join her hunting party, then he started hitting on her and she got pissed off and killed him
I’m pretty sure that was like a dramatic way for some random poet or Historian to say “Artemis is virginity goddess, do not get close or she’ll kill you” if I remover correctly the oldest version of the story goes that after his eyes healed, he decides to go travel around some places and ends up meeting Artemis along the way, then later after they got to know I leach other better they started a very friendly friendship(until you know what happens next and yea). I think that the original intention for that whole situation of Artemis and Orión was that platonic love exist and love can also be in between two friends getting along and bonding without the need to make it romantic or sexual.
Someone: I’m such a Scorpio
Orion: halfway across the world at this point, A HECCIN WHAT
"U wot m8?"
Lmao
Cancer the Crab though they could be like senpai Scorpio and take on Hercules... didn't go so well.
*Apollo:* I thought you said you loved Orion!
*Artemis:* Yeah, as a bro!
*Apollo:* _I'M YOU'RE BRO_
As a best friend ni san!
Artemis: "Your"
Apollo: **looses shit* *kills Orion**
Man.. Artemis hangs and shoots bows with one guy and everyone even apollo assumes shit
@@reginaldmustardbacon5866 To be fair Apollo is really bad at picking up on people not being romantically interested.
Apollo: Oh shut up, you love me!
Artemis: I'd sell you to Hades for one corn chip.
Personally, my favorite version of the Orion legend is a bit of a mixture of several of these. Basically, Orion meets Artemis and she kinda goes "Hey, you're a pretty good hunter, want to hang out?" So they start hunting together and Orion basically becomes Artemis's best friend/favorite cousin. Apollo gets jealous because "why don't you hang out with me anymore?" and throws a hissy fit, and then sics a giant scorpion on Orion.
Yeah, that's my favorite too. Orion's all like, "I love ya, girl!" And Artemis is all "I love you too, man!" And Appolo is all "Hey! What about me!?"
wouldnt apollo just shoot him if that was the case? i feel like the gaia version make more sanse
@@neros398, I don't know, do you think your sister would want to hang out with you if you obviously murdered her favorite cousin? Apollo has an alibi and plausible deniability in this version.
"Helios, the sun, who heals Orion's eyes"
...That sounds very contradictory.
Staring at The Sun healed Orion's Eyes
Dante's eyes were healed by a blast of God's holy light
Who knew lazer eye surgery was existent back then
Heck there was even a guy who was blind and became able to see after getting hit by a lightning (i think) or cuz he was so close to the lightning he was able to see again
"the sun is a deadly lazer"
@Gideon Valdo Takidjo *Not anymore there’s a blanket*
"The healing properties of staring directly at me are very well documented"
666 likes XD
To be fair, knowing how to heal people's eyes is probably a useful skill to the guy who literally just straight up _is_ the sun.
and red was wrong
maybe THIS is the first refference to laser eye surgery and not the divine comedy
but again
WE'LL NEVER KNOOOOW!
XD
"Hey, over here!"
"Haha, now you're blind!"
@@archdruidbookwalter951 _asdf intenifies_
@@archdruidbookwalter951 *it's the opposite day*
That could make for easy business. Hurt people's eyes, then charge them for your healing practices.
5:11 Okay, Artemis chilling with a sign saying bows before bros while Take a Hint plays in the background may just be one of the greatest things, EVER!!!!!😂🤣
Yeah and the "PartheNO means NO" shirt-like I want it
I adore the platonic version of Artemis and Orion. Because I'm ace and my Aro siblings need representation.
YES. But I also relate to the version where Orian couldn't take a hint and started harassing Artemis ...
Me seeing the title: Well, I know he's a constellation?
Red: The most important thing is...he's a constellation
Me: I'm a mythological GENIUS
*Well your not wrong*
Yeah, he's the only constellation I can quickly identify at night. I have trouble finding the Big Dipper for some reason, but I can always spot good old Orion.
My thoughts exactly!
A literal galaxy-brain!
Daniel Charland at least you can find constellations I can’t.
The moral of the story is that Apollo is a disaster bi even when the relationships do not apply to him and aren't even romantic.
I have never been so offened at something I 100% agree with.
Disaster bi is a new one for me but im gonna use it all the time now
I'd personally say he's a disaster pan though I guess it could get confusing with mythological deities when the god Pan is right there.
@@moonyistired
Artemis: "Gods you're such a disaster pan."
Pan: "Hey!"
Artemis: "Not you Pan."
@@moonyistired no.
One I identity as bi not pan
2. Pan sucks and I hate him cause he said that he was a better musician than me.
In some retellings, Apollo drove Orion mad because he didn't like how much time he was spending with his sister. And in others, his saying he's going to kill every animal in the world is translated to mean more of "I'm going to hunt every animal on earth", essentially saying that Gaia misunderstood what he said. (Hunt every single animal essentially meaning hunt at least one of every animal)
No, that was just the Percy Jackson version, Apollo simply either sent the scorpion or tricked Artemis into killing him. The whole "I'm going to kill every animal on Earth" was due to good old hubris and getting way into killing shit with arrows.
I just kinda love the idea of Artemis being the first person who ever had made sunglasses and lawn chairs in the world and then just used them to chill out when she was done going on hunts
Who else thinks we need a “bows before bros” t shirt
Me!
It would be perfect for diehard archers.
Yes we can
Human Being Yes
🖐 shut up and take my money! 💰
“Trespassers will be shot or turned into a deer and eaten by their own dogs.”
That’s a reference.
Julian Zimianitis to what
I need to know
@@errorcode1249 It's a reference to yet another Orion story. In that one, he followed Artemis to the pool she bathed in and lewded her, she noticed and was so furious that she turned him into a deer that was immediately torn apart by his own hunting dogs. Orion and his dogs were then both put on the sky by Zeus.
@@magiv4205 Minus the Zeus part... well that didn't happen to Orion. That happened to Actaeon.
@@errorcode1249 some guy called Actaeon (according to wikipedia) transgressed against Artemis in some way, so she turned him into a deer and he got ripped apart by his own hunting dogs (in some versions, it's Artemis's dogs who kill him).
There's another myth where a boy called Siproites walks in on Artemis bathing, and since she can't allow men to have seen her naked, she turns him into a girl.
ERRORcode 12 hell, aside from the other replies, Red did a video on the whole myth.
Orion and Artemis probably platonically loved each other. They cherished each other’s company. As AroAce as Artemis is, that seems the most logical honestly. I like the idea they are friends. Honestly imagine if a version existed where Artemis and Orion platonically loved each other so much that Aphrodite gets pissy about it. “BOYS AND GIRLS ARE SUPPOSED TO *KISS* NOT *HUNT*”
Orion probably had a small crush for like 5 seconds and then realized “oh crap that could lose me my best friend if that turned out bad”
Fun fact: the “Dawn” depicted that is in love with Orion is likely Eos, Helios and Seline’s sister who was married to Astreaus ( the dusk god), Eos is also the mother of the four winds and the planets.
Orion: Im gonna kill every animal!!
Gaia:*sips tea* interesting
Artemis to Atlante : (*points at orion) see that guy.. That's how you shouldn't hunt..
I always heard it told as "I shall hunt an example of every animal!" like some kind of taxidermied taxonomy doomed to failure because there's just _so many_ different animals out there.
@@Vespuchian Why would Gaia have a problem with it if that's the case though?
Argenteus well Gaia isn’t usually described as super stable
I always read it as a "I'm going to impress you" by Orion to Artemis
“So Zeus makes Orion a constellation after he dies to a monstrous scorpion...
... and then he makes the SCORPION a constellation”
Zeus is a dick, but sometimes he's a dick to the right people.
After making Orion a constellation so that he can keep pursuing the Pleiades, whom he made a constellation to keep them away from Orion.
He either doesn't get the point of all this or he's just a MASSIVE troll.
Zeus turns the pleiad nymphs into a bunch of stars so they can escape Orion...
and then he turns ORION into a bunch of stars
Because Zeus' an asshole *party horns*
Sounds just like Zeus. Lol
I love how Gaea is basically the control mechanism/killswitch for the gods. Like, when they start getting too strong or talking shit, she makes a new kaiju or dozen to kick the crap out of them for a while. You'd think the gods would stop tempting fate, but... here we are. Lol.
I will forever love every joke that you make about Zeus being a jerk. They crack me up everytime
Reds voice is so cool
She can talk at the speed of light but you still understand
Agreed!
Shes fast and enunciates well
She could be an excellent rapper.
And her singing is prrerrfect
Yahtzee hears a challenger approaching
Male couple: are very clearly in love and would tragically die for each other
Scholars: these two men just have a close brotherly friendship and are not homosexual at all
Male and female: share an interest and like to discuss that and hang out
Scholars: CLEARLY THESE TWO ARE TRAGICALLY IN LOVE
It's ok you can say Achilles and Patroclus
When you based your interpretation on the gender of the characters rather than on their behaviours XD
Sad truth is that they were both lovers and cousins, but seeing general greek mythology, it's not that big of a deal
Good gravy! Surely you don't mean to insinuate that historians are shaped by contemporary cultural biases? Say it aint so, Joe!
@@maira7804 Zeus is literally married to his sister, if incest wasn't cool in greek myth I'm sure the literal king of gods wouldn't be doing it on the daily.
This man has my dead-name.
My name is Artemis.
Yes, I took the name of the woman who killed my dead name.
Bear Queen
This is amazing and glorious and brilliant and so utterly symbolically genius.
queen,
That’s metal as heck
Awesome
What fucking parents name their kid "Orion"?
You should have gotten that changed to something less stupid no matter what tbh
Artemis with her hunters is a never ending girls night out prove me wrong-
RKAC
I am here for this interpretation.
Correct
That sounds more like the Maenads tbh 😜
Anyone else wants more videos about Hinduism? I feel like a video about Rama and Hanuman's adventures would be cool.
That sounds like a Journey to the West level series.
yEESS
I’d love to hear stuff about Hanuman. I’ve see him in Aru Shah and the End of Time and I think he’s pretty interesting, being the son of Vayu and all
Yeah, the lesser-exposed myths are always more fun. They're usually crazier, too!
OH MY GOD YES
I mean i had a fit of inspiration, started reading the mahabharata and had a whole absolute obsession with all THREE of her indian videos (of which one is like a minute long smh). Like 50 views on them can be attributed to me.
Greek mythology is boring because the gods sound like authoritarian tyrants to me so im not emotionally invested in them at all
Male hunter: *is friends with Artemis*
Apollo: So you have chosen...death
Artemis: What the fuck bro?
Apollo: My last girlfriend dumped me and I need to take my rage on the next mortal thing I see.
Have you ever seen two siblings? It went like this:
Apollo: lol you're still mad about that?
Dylan Chouinard just a bro being a bro
@@KhanhNguyen-mh5ec *orion's death was first mentioned in Homer's odyssey where it is stated that Artemis slew orion in ortygia* *Hesiod in his book astronomy fragments (8BC - 7BC) that orion was blinded because he tried to assault a king's daughter . Orion later went to crete and spent his time hunting with artemis . Once he boasted that he'd kill all the animals gaia ( earth) sent a scorpion to kill him yet the author pseudo -apollodorus (2AD) says Artemis killed orion because he challenged or tried to assault her nymph opis thus both Apollo and Artemis killed him . so either way the earliest Version suggest that Artemis or gaia killed him not Apollo*
@@Sanjaykumar-zr8my I am not talking about that version of the myth
Translators when looking at Achillis haveing a relationship with a dude:
Oh him and Patroclus were Best bro’s with one of the strongest friendships we have seen.
When translator looks at artemis (WHO Is MOSTLY KNOWN FOR NOT BEING INTO DUDES!) haveing s friendship with a dude: They just loved eachother but one of Them died and the other Got really mad!
The shippers are at it again with the homophobes known as the Catholic Church doing the early translation
One of my best memories in Highschool was in grade 11 English when we had to cover Greek Mythology someone said something about Artemis and Orion "banging" and my very well spoken English teacher slamming down his book and loudly saying "Are you blind man? They where the two bro-est bro's in Ancient Greek Myth Sir!"
the kind of teacher we need in our school system
Indeed proof not all heros wear capes@@Numbers225
Thank you for bringing us this absolute gem of a phrase!
In the version I read, he and Artemis weren’t in a relationship or anything. He was the singular male allowed in her pack, cause he was respectful of her and her followers. That was my favorite myth, you know, until he boasted he could kill everything and Gaia did a SMITE
There was also Theseus's kid Hippolytus, who was one of Artemis's hunters until Aphrodite got mad at him for doing that whole "staying single and refusing to mingle" thing and kicked off a chain of events that ended with Hippolytus's death.
Emperor Daniel I forgot about that one. Thanks for reminding me :)
Orion to Scorpio: What are you gonna do, stab me?
*some time later*
Hermes: In local news, giant man stab 27 times by single scorpion. More at 11
27 stabs but stab is written in singular? how many stab?
@@defensivekobra3873 Like, scorpion only stabbed once, but its tail was so long it went around 27 times,each time making another hole in Orion, correlating with each star in Orion constellation. Because Scorpio existed only to fuck this dude up and it would serve that purpose with distinction. Maybe. Probably not.
27 STAB WOUNDS
Fascinating. I love this stuff. ✅🙂
hi
Artemis only has one love: *THE HUNT*
Artemis in yharnam get on it fanfiction writers
My canon is that Orion was Artemis’ closest friend (being the only semi-divine being she had so much in common with) and the tragedy of her “lost love” being the loss of her friend.
I can get behind that.
Ah best love is platonic love
Yvonne-Bella has
@@sebastianm.m.5375 why not
Her bow-bro if you will.
Eros: *sees Artemis and Orion together* No one is immune to my arrows! *shoots Artemis*
Artemis: *grabs the arrow midair and turns around*
Eros: 0_0
Artemis: Start flying, angel.
Alternatively:
Artemis: *grabs arrow in midair and turns around*
Eros: 0_0
Artemis: "Cute arrows. *grabs her own bow.* "My turn."
@@eeveestar6826
YES
Insert Jonathan joestar saying oh no
@@eeveestar6826
Eros: *at this moment he knew...he f*cked up*
@@eeveestar6826 Why would Artemis do this though..
"Orion was the only ma Artemis has ever loved"
Aphrodite : * happy noises *
"yeah actually that is fake, Artemis never romantically loved anyone"
Aphrodite : * angy *
Aphrodite: Say red, want to know what happened when you ruin my ship with facts and logic?
I feel like you'd hate the Fate version when it comes to this legend. Artemis is so obsessed with Orion that she hijacks him and tags along wherever he goes, to the point where Orion can't even look at other girls before he's in a chokehold. Granted, it is played for laughs, and without Orion, Artemis turns into a stone-cold goddess capable of shooting arrows at people without even aiming at them.
While it's super myth inaccurate I do love some fate Orion and Artemis. Especially once the Atlantis stuff happened. Given how their relationship was what allowed Artemis to get humans more given how distant Nasuverse gods are.
Well. Consider they turn Nero into a woman. I don't Blame them if they Made this inaccurate to the myth
I blame the summoning of Orion for that. I believe that the summoning corrupted Artemis, hence her slightly kooky and non-canon personality.
When she's alone, you get the kill sat
@@mrmiscellaneous105 It's heavily implied that falling in love with Orion is what changed Artemis into, well, an airheaded bimbo. We also know that Orion, for all his skirt-chasing, is head over heels for Artemis.
But at least she's not Ishtar.
I don't think you need to worry about being myth accurate when it turns out Artemis and the rest of the Olympians are goddamn Alien Machines from another universe.
Can we make the "PartheNO means NO" Tee artemis is wearing into an actual shirt? I dig it.
PLEASE
That and bows before bro’s
im pretty sure its on their website!
merch merch merch merch merch merch merch
Oh I want this
I always viewed the idea of Orion being the only guy Artemis loved in terms of friendship. I like that version because I think it’s important to tell your friends you love them.
That’s exactly how I view and most probably the reason why it was written for.
The only person she wanted to relate with.
I think Artemis had other male friends, but for me, what appeals about this example is that Orion, despite being kind of a perv, evidently _didn't_ perv on Artemis and was totally content with just being her hunting bro.
That being said, with your version, I can TOTALLY see Apollo's angry overprotective reaction too...
Orion: Man, I love ya man!
Artemis: I love ya too, bro!
Apollo: OH GODS SHE'S GONNA MARRY HIM, HE MUST DIE!
Also, in Greek mythology ,when there's sexual relations between men and women, either consensual or not, it tends to end with a kid. Artemis had no kids AFAIK.
I told friends that I’m really close to that I love them as a friend, so yeah, cool
Orion: Hey Artemis, I killed this bull for you.
Artemis: Aw thanks, bro. I love you.
Apollo: Oh no, love is in the air. I need to do something before my sweet little sister ends up breaking her vow! That guy must die.
Artemis: Dude, I'm still your older sister and can take care of myself.
Apollo: No you don't get it. He's a perv and I would have totally assaulted you.
Artemis: You know... it's s because of things like these why none of your love affairs worked out...
"BOWS BEFORE BROS"
Me, as a target archer who's spent far more on my equipment than I have on any relationship: Word.
The belt of Orion is a huge waist of space
I'll see myself out.
And Sirius is a stellar boy!
terrible joke. Only three stars.
Out of this world
Not if you like the horsehead nebula. Just check the sky maps. The nebula is in the belt of Orion.
Mark Gardner that joke was a bit dark...
Red: "Because I bet a lot of you have heard that Orion is the only man Artemis ever loved."
Me: *Checks the Endymion Misc Myths Again*
Red: "She's never shown an interest in sex and has only ever romantically loved one person, the hunter Orion."
Me: "Yeah, I hate when further research invalidates my previous statements too."
also, welcoem to Mythology, where both can be techencally true due to how the myths evolve oer time
@Autzen Hallock I think it's fair to say it wasn't true when the version that depicts Artemis loving Orion seems to be from many centuries after anyone even believed in them. Or at least that's what I take from it.
@Autzen Hallock That's a fair point, but the whole "only man she ever loved" bit seems to be usually used to make some sexist point or invalidate her broader characterisation. It makes sense for Red to give it a harsh "no" in that case, particularly when the connection with the mythology is so tenuous. There are overarching truths, as she says, even if details vary.
@Autzen Hallock Yes, there's a good reason why OSP chose Athena as the asexual goddess for their pride month video
@Autzen Hallock l think everyone has a different take in all the greek gods.
I always took Athena as just hating humanity/living things in general and only liking her group of friends and putting up with apollo because she cant choose a new brother. Thats my headcanon, at least.
Can we just take a second to imagine how fucked a person who was liked by Artemis would be? She is quite literally the goddess of the hunt, if she, hypothetically, got the fancy for someone, they probably have less a chance of getting away than any mortal with any god probably ever. Especially since I'm fairly sure the other Gods would back Artemis up due to how little she does that to begin with. ESPECIALLY Aphrodite.
From what I understand, Aphrodite would basically go all in to have this over Artemis and keep it steady due to Aphrodite's hate boner for all things single.
If anyone ever makes a modern day version of Orion, I want him to have a gun please.
Isn't the modern version of Orion just Paul Bunion?
“Constellation Prize.” Go away for a minute, Red. Just:..just go away for a minute.
You new here bro this channels is just a super-eduucational pun filled shitpost and its glorious
Come on, it was funny! I...
...cried...in shame.
Girl in red reference by Red
Thanks for this comment; I didn't notice that joke. Flew over my head like the stars.
"a lot of you have probably heard that Orion was the only man Artemis ever loved"
Yes I have. From you. In your Endymion video. Where you said that
"First of all, no"
you lied to me
Your comment made me rewatch that video.
I know! I felt cheated
My thoughts exactly.
We’ve been Duped, Bamboozled. We’ve been Smeckledorfed.
In all seriousness, that video is over three years old, and Red’s research process was likely less intensive back then. This video shows different myths surrounding Orion, pointing out one that involved Artemis’ romantic attraction and detailing the origin of the myth.
On an unrelated note, Red made some stellar puns in this video, with both “constellation prize” and “Counting Stars” as the outro song of the video.
So basically
Artemis:Cool and Chill Aro-Ace
Apollo:Disaster Bi-sexual
For some reason this is so hilarious
The drawing of Artemis chilling is the best thing ever
"Bows Before Bros"
I like the idea that Orion and Artemis are best bro’s. An Ace goddess and her himbo hunter
That was basically the whole point to the myth, but you know how hardcore the poets and historians can get.
HIMBRO HIMBO,
Off topic I was trying to remember what ace meant and the first thing that popped in my head was "Anti-sexual". Didn't sound right but isn't completely off the definition of asexual (i think)
Draco Gatom no you are completely correct
Same! Especially since, from the sound of it, Orion _didn't_ try to sex up Artemis in the version where they're friends.
Apollo: *Kill Orion*
Artemis: Wtf, Apollo?
Apollo: You can't be the virgin goddess if you get married
Artemis: You'll suffer my revenge...
*A few years later*
Artemis: Hey, Zephyrus. I know of a guy named Hyacintus
Zephyrus: Is he hot?
Artemis: For me? No. For you? Yes. But he is dating with Apollo
Zephyrus: What i do now?
Artemis: If you kill him, than no one can date him anymore
Zephyrus: And Apollo?
Artemis: He'll be fine
Zephyrus: Okay then
*Later in that discus game...*
🤣🤣
That's a good one.
Noooooo
You didn't..... that's still a sensitive subject you know.......😭😭😭
Artemis and Orion. Beautiful Bromance: exists. Everybody else: oh they’re just being humble.
You know, being a giant that could walk (and run) in water would probably have made him completely OP in ancient Greece if he had any actual smarts.
In a single day he could cover the distance of Odysseus' journey and the only danger he _might_ have had to deal with would have been Scyllia and Ciribdys
There would probably still be a fair number of magic superweapons that could take him out, or wandering into a hero.
I feel like “Take a Hint” from Victorious is EXACTLY the kind of song Artemis would blast after being around dudes
Except doesn't that song include the line "Why am I hit on by the *boys* I never like", which implies the narrator likes boys?
Creative liberties?
I think “One Woman Army” is much more better than that
@@sydnamon5986 I guess it could be read as her not liking 'the boys' as a whole.
@@sydnamon5986 i mean, technically speaking, Artemis took a vow of celibacy, so in the purest terms, theres no reason to believe she was asexual OR aromantic, just that she was a GODDESS with heavy dedication, so with that logic that idntro could still work
Titanium.
That last story further reinforces my "Yeah, I'd hang out with Artemis, she seems really cool, but damn, I'm out if her brother shows up." thoughts on the twins
Because your chances of an early death skyrocket. Apollo thinks you're going to marry Artemis, he'll plot your demise. Apollo falls for you, you'll probably become a plant
@@AquamarineDust What if both?
Yes... just, yes,
That's a good analogy for how I hang out with the moon and hide from the sun. :V
There's another version of the Artemis and Orion story, although it's a modern interpretation. A graphic novelist named George O'Connor has started a series about the Olympians, in which it's a twelve book project and every book is the 12 main gods. He tries to pull in every myth that exists and plug them in where they make sense.
In the prospect of Artemis and Orion, Artemis allowed Orion to join her hunting party, however, Orion took her invitation as a sign that Artemis has feelings for him. She admits she does, however, she has no intention to be with Orion because she is dedicated to the hunt. He tries to convince her otherwise, she sticks to her guns, and he declares he'll kill every animal in the world "See how dedicated to the hunt you'll be after." In this version, the scorpion does show up, but Orion kills it and swims off, in which Apollo convinces Artemis to shoot a turtle he had marked earlier (Orion). Artemis knew it was Orion, but shot anyway. It still has the tale of broken love, but it fits far more than than the original tale of our dedicated huntress getting swayed for a moment.
Orion is blind, but then he turns to the sun and his eyes get healed...
Interesting. With everyone else it's the other way around.
Wauw Apollo is so bad at relationships, even him THINKING anyone has a thing for ANYONE is enough to get the unluky soul killed.
Hey! Just because its true doesn't mean you're right!
Yeah, he's basically the anti-Aphrodite.
@@xboxcrusher Hm, that's sort of exactly like Aphrodite. The anti-Eros, maybe?
If you go out sailing, take precautions against dying of exposure to the sun.
He won't sink your ship, he'll just kill you.
@@CrimsonBlasphemy no!
5:03 "--because Zeus is an a**hole."
The most consistent theme in Greek mythology everybody!
Preach it! Hah, most Greek stories do seem to either start or end with "And so Zeus decided to be a dick and/or stick his dick in something."
@@xboxcrusher the sticking his dick in it part is mostly because it was an easy way to tie in other cultures stories into Greek myth. The being a dick part is just him being terrible
I'm surprised you didn't talk about how Orion was born after the gods peed on a sacrificial bull, buried it, and then Hyrieus found the baby inside it nine months later and raised him.
Rewatching this a month later and I just noticed that in the frames where Artemis is sitting on her lawn chair with her no boys allowed vibes, "Take a Hint" is the song that's playing and I love that because Artemis and Probably one of her hunters would sing that to any guy trying to get them.
Thank you; I was trying to see if anyone had named that song yet
For the "love" version of the myth I had always heard it that Artemis and Orion were just great friends and the "love" part was just in Apollo's head. Which would imply that it was more of a platonic love. And thus Apollo was just jealous that another dude was hanging out with his sister and got him killed. Wouldn't have been the craziest or pettiest thing a Greek god had ever done.
There are other version too that, when Artemis left and Apollo came to check Orion, they kind got hot and heavy(Cus Orion here is more into guys rather than girls, although he still is attracted to them), then when when they were done, Apollo just instantly denies everything and leaves, which just confuses the hell out of Orion shruggs it off. Then the normal stuff happened and Orion dies.
@@Urd-Vidan So Apollo ghosts him and gets him killed?
@@floofcloud6163 Kinda? It's weird and Apollo was saving face cus he was a "Woman lover", not a Man lover, even though he had a lot of male lovers(Which he denied to having relationships as well).
Alissandro Andres so he basically sleeps with his Sister’s best friend, gets embarrassed about it and kills him because he doesn’t like that he’s still hanging out with his sister?
@@evelynmaldonado9283 Yes. He's a pretty jealous type, a shitty ass jealous Sis-con type. Even after sleeping with the guy and actually having a nice heart to heart talk with him, he still had the gall to set up his death. Its really based on what version you see, but what ive read, Apollo's a shit head while Orion is just a plain good guy that has regretted his past mistakes and moved on.
What about the version of his backstory where he’s the child of Zeus, Poseidon, and Hermes peeing on a bearskin and then burying it under some old guy’s house? I like that version
I'm sorry, WHAT?!
Hold up what?!
And people say you need women to make children.
What?! You... You can't just drop that like a bombshell!
I . . . . .
Man, what the fuck is mythology
Artemis : **cries over Orion's death**
Chang'E : *_first time?_*
0:18 “Mythology isn’t about arguing cannon, because there’s no point” tell that to the fanfic writers and theorists out here in the internet. 😂
Red: "Orion could walk on water thanks to his dad."
Percy Jackson: "Dad! We need to talk! NOW!"
lol (＾▽＾)
Lol
We don't say that name in this channel.
That's not the weirdest myth
Here's one.
There was this girl if who Poseidon liked
, one day in her Lover's arms she asked "I want to be a dude, can you make it so?"
Poseidon made it so, that's not the strange part however before he did so he asked
"Wait is that all? I'm a God that's all you ask?"
She said "yeah that's it"
"All right however,I'm going to act little bit of extra"
So Poseidon also gave her( or him now)
Iron skin,
he made his boyfriend a Man of Steel
@@anarchomando7707 poseidon raped caenis
"As a... _constellation prize_ "
I've been sorely needing this kind of humor
And Red's singing... great
I've said before that if Red ever releases an album I'll buy it. She has a marvelous singing voice.
Do you know what song she's singing at the end?
@@adamfitzpatrick2366 Counting Stars, I think
As someone into astronomy and studying to get a degree in Astrophysics, Orion holds a special place in my heart as being the coolest part of the sky to look at. I just love the Orion Nebula, his Belt, the mystery of Betelgeuse, the Horsehead Nebula, and just how prominent it is in the sky. Even my grandma wanted my parents to name me Orion!
Apollo went all over protective older brother on Artemis but Artemis is the older twin
Wait so if Poseidon had a kid with the gorgon Euryale, is that kinda like the mythological equivalent of dumping someone for their sibling?
Knowing the gods he probably did both simultaneously
You make a fair point.
It can be worse, we dont know if it happened before Perseus killed medusa or after so it might be that Poseidon fucked his dead lovers sister.
Just depends Is this after they were turned into tragic characters or this is this when they were originally monsters And this could make sense that why Poseidon is mixed with Medusa so much
Yeap.
Orion's pants once fell down while he was hunting. To remind him that belts exist the gods put his into the night sky
I guess he experienced a lost belt
@@actualpresidentfunnyvalent7471 a fellow Chaldean I see?
I mean his belt in Fate is literally those stars, so...
how can he wear it if it was stolen and put in the stars`?
Fate makes the Orion/Artemis dynamic VERY interesting by mixing these different interpretations together.
I know this is gonna sound odd to people who don't play Fate Grand Order, but just wanted to say thanks OSP for making the god pins and making the great videos. Your Artemis pin was the perfect catalyst to summon Orion!
Red: "Studying mythology isn't usually about arguing canon, because there's no point."
Theologians: "But if there's no point to arguing canon, what good is my degree?"
But if there's no point arguing canon how do i know someone's a heretic?
Or "But how can I shove my political agenda in there now?!"
I mean, it makes for some good entertainment I guess?
I feel like I should mention that Theology and Mythology are entirely different subjects no matter what religion you're talking about...
@@lucaswinsor4469 Yeah, one is for religions that a significant number of people follow.
The core of the joke is the "There's no point arguing about canon" thing, not a conflation theology and mythology.
Who else would love to have Red and Blue as professors? 🙋♀️
Emma Meservy 🙋♂️
Always like seeing stuff about beings like Euryale. Almost every tale about Gorgons I've read have them (except for Medusa) being horrible mindless monsters. They had names, and therefore some kind of identity, so I'm glad for myths that hint at that.
Also, gotta love how Gaia is the End Task function against Gods. Anytime they start stepping out of line, she designs a new beast and puts a stop to it.