Miscellaneous Myths: Atalanta
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- čas přidán 19. 04. 2017
- Atalanta, everybody! Kicked ass, took names, adopted on two separate occasions, had a fondness for shiny stuff. This is her story!
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I find it hilarious that the ship of 'dorky smart nice boy' and 'hot strong badass girl' has literally been with us as a ship since the concept of shipping has existed to the point that the fucking Goddess of shipping was the first to like it. That's how you know a ship dynamic has staying power.
Any recommendations for that shipping trope?
@@Abyssaracnis Ron and Kim possible
@@eryvac0074 unsatisfactory
@@Abyssaracnis undyne and alphys are a good example of this! fish + lizard lesbians, love to see it
It's Greece. Odds are, this was simply them drooling over something that was totally exotic to their Afghan level patriarchal culture- a woman who could do guy stuff.
"At the wedding reception"
Hippomenes: Alright, it's time for the mother of the bride to make her speech!
Bear: RoOaOAOR.
That was beautiful. *pinks away a tear*
@Maryama I understood that reference
*sNiFfLe* That was beautifully done😭😢
Gotta go, I need to cut some onions.
Good one. 🤣
She forgot the 3rd way a womens life could go.
3: Apollo falls in love with you and you turn into an inanimate object. (Probably a flower)
Or gods forbid you meet Artemis in the woods while she is bathing. Looking at you henolepus
@@christianfreeman8690 That's more like what might happen to men.
@@Punaparta tbh the apollo ending is also possible for men (looking at hyacinthus)
tbh the moral of all of greek mythology is that attracting the attention of any of the gods is almost universally a very bad thing.
There's a 4th option as well:
Be unnaturally beautiful and have Aphrodite kill you out of spite and jealousy.
Zeus: *Turns Atalanta and Hippomenes into lions*
Hippomenes: So, wanna continue where we left off?
Atalanta: Sure
Zeus: Wtf, that was supposed to PREVENT that!
Atalanta: Oh yeah, it turns out they were dead wrong about that stuff. Weird huh?
Zeus: Well, that backfired.
If anything, turning Hippomenes into a lion would make him more competent of a fighter.
@@CJCroen1393 and then as a Lion, Atalanta becomes a Archer Servant in her human form with Lion ears and Tail
Hippomenes: I'm not sure how I feel about this
Atalanta: You say something?
I love how surly mamma bear looks when Atalanta is introducing her husband to her parents.
Like "This tiny man is your mate? How will he catch fish and get honey with those teeny paws?"
Lyss Wicks Doesn’t the male leave the female after they mate to take care of the cubs on her own?
@@Ashy-zz5ug yeah and sometimes they eat the cubs
@@sirandrewaguecheek6512 I know. My point was that male bears don't catch fish for their families.
@@Ashy-zz5ug dude just take the joke lmao
I was thinking the look was because she was a representation of artemis who would've rather her daughter stayed celibate like her
I like to think Atalanta didn't really care about the golden apples and just went after them cause she really didn't want to kill the cute dork Hippomenes so was looking for any believable excuse not to win.
chakatBombshell Oh, that makes sense!
I prefer that idea. Not picking up the apples out of stupidity, but more to escape her own terms of the race because she actually liked him.
Yeah, I like that theory too. Atalanta lost the race without sacrificing her reputation because she has the excuse that her husband was smart enough to trick her.
She definitely made her point that she could take him :)
In the version I was told, the apples represent healthy love. So she had to lose the race to gain the apples.
Atalanta: "If you win, you take my hand. If I win, I take your head."
Bear mom: "That's my girl!"
Proud momma bear.
A scenario I came up with after seeing that one gag Red made:
Atalanta: You lost, time to die!
Suitor: WAIT, I THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA _GIVE ME_ THE SWORD!
Atalanta: Yeah...in your chest.
Suitor: Can't you just give me the sword as a consolation prize instead!?
Atalanta: ...(sigh) If I give you the sword will you stop asking to marry me?
Suitor: Yeah!
Atalanta: Fine. Here. It's not like I need it to kill people, I was raised by bears.
Suitor: (takes the sword, squeals in delight and runs off)
@@CJCroen1393 I like it!
@@BlightVonDrake ^_^
@@CJCroen1393 2 minutes later the idiot trip and fall on to the sword
The end
In some versions Atalanta was in fact in love with him when they met on a hill and he complimented her skill in archery. What was interesting about it was he never added “for a woman” to his compliments and that’s what has her fall in love with him. Dude was a massive dork too. Think ray of sunshine bean who is unbelievably shy. He’s that.
Atalanta: he is very smol bean, must protecc
I like that version. That is a nice version.
He’s actually Achilles the entire time.
Lemuel Delvalle Achilles was gay...
Mobius eh he was most likely bi given the fact he fell for Penthesilia after he killed her
Awww that was actually like, a really sweet ending. I think it’s fitting that Atalanta ends up with a guy who knowingly acknowledges how capable she is, she realizes this, and elects to be with him. Also, their “bang in Zeus’s temple” ending is peak newly wed nonsense and I’m here for it.
Jane Doe I think he died it’s hippopotamus guy who married her j think
Xuan Qi Ng Hippomenes also acknowledged her capacities I think? He knew he couldn’t beat her without those apples in any case
In some stories hippo didn't thank aphro for her help and she turned them both into lions, there was something in the myths about how lions couldn't mate or love each other
And then they get turned into lions
@@emperorjimmu9941 She does in some versions, but not in others. Specifically, the versions she shows up in are the ones that feature Atalanta as a Priestess of Artemis.
That was actually equal parts awesome an sweet. I feel sorry for Meleager, though. Dude was bona fide good guy and deserved better.
Agreed
Agreed, but he was a little bit of a simp though...
@@eriklindbergs5017 Simp is when they do it specifically to get the girl to like them, he (at least in reds telling) seemed more annoyed the others were being sexist
In some versions, he did actually have a crush on Atalanta, but wasn’t a dick about it,
@@icelingbolt Is _that_ what that word means? I've kept hearing it lately and I got the impression it basically meant: "A guy who isn't awful towards women."
Anyway, what's wrong about wanting people to like you?
Really love the group of hunter dads that were like "man this is a cool baby we should take her" and we know they showed up to every wrestling match with homemade posters
I especially love just how despondented the moma bear looks
@@mohammedyousef4005 She really wanted him to give the nice boy two caves over a chance...
I'm shocked one of the few instances where Aphrodite's meddling is actually a net-positive
They get turn into lions
@@ctchimchar5258 Which is one of many instances were zues's meddling ends in negative
@@anything8953 well your technically not wrong
@@ctchimchar5258 I mean, that wasn't Aphrodite's fault (for once) And it also wasn't as bad as he was going for 😅
@@asexualbert7262 Depends on who you ask, some times it's her fault others times it's not
so in the testosterone-overloaded sausage fest that is ancient Greek mythology, there's actually a couple of a smart, dorky dude and a strong, badass girl?
that's new.
A literal sunshine bean and a badass who don't take no shit from nobody. 11/10 would ship.
@@mollsgreys5827 You and Aphrodite both.
@Hannah Fox which one of those punched a lion and dated two gods and lived to tell the tale cause i think she is the most badass
@Hannah Fox yeah when you can survive getting with multiple greek gods you are a badass no question
@@hadeskingoftheunderworld7010 Otrera married Ares, gave birth to the Amazon tribe, and was killed by Bellerophon
Mama bear: "How the hell did you lose a race?, Who told you to chase shiny things?"
Atalanta: "YOU!, I learned it by watching you"
@OH GOD NO, IT'S EXISTENTIAL CRISIS AGAIN Why?,
Danglie alrighty!,
Mama Bear: I wanna see my son in law
Atalanta: *here is the super not buff dorky guy who beat me in a race*
Mama Bear: what a disappointment you are, dear daughter
@Danglie
You don',t do I;t?
Pixar's Brave anyone?
I prefer your interpretation of how she got "distracted", especially since she tried to convince him not to run initially because she didn't want to kill him, and then she's like, "well, he's cute and he wanted this so hard he actually went to a goddess for help and came loaded for bear, why not?"
Heh. Loaded for bear.
Homeboy literally got the hot tomboy GF before the trope even existed
This interpretation is actually supported by Ovid's Metamorphoses, which makes it clear that Atalanta already loved Hippomenes and was desperately hoping that she wouldn't have to kill him.
Did a PowerPoint presentation on Atalanta
One of the headers was “Atalanta’s Murder Race”
beautiful
lol
So how'd the PowerPoint go
@@jordank6961 went well lol
@@ocean9577 good to hear
"Oh, I'm sorry! I thought there was *murdering* to be done around here, *not* arts and crafts!"
😂😂😂
( king hides in the corner)
Me: i like this girl
we Stan Atalanta
The King (squeaking quietly): Okay!
Atalanta: almost catches up to Hippomenes.
Hippomenes: YEET!
It would have only been better if that was actually drawn into the scene XD
YEET ×3 😂😂
Omfg lol
If at first you don't succeed, cheat, cheat cheat again!
I got to be your thousandth upvote. Yay!
I love how bear-mom stays in Atalanta’s life to love and support her. Very good bear-parenting, you don’t see Baloo doing that. 10/10, would allow my daughter to be raised by kindly bears again.
Mother bears are much better parents than father bears.
bearenting
Well someone needs to clean the dead suitors
@@Teddy-mo9bn solid pun
I...don't know how to break it to you....
but in some of ther versions (both ones where she's taken in by a group of artemis's huntresses and a group of male hunters), the bear mom is killed and then atalanta is adopted
"I was told there was MURDERING to be done, not arts and crafts!!!" I want that on a t-shirt.
Yes sir!!
Aphrodite: the hugest shipper in Mythology and you'll be DAMNED if the pairing don't become cannon.
Dunno, she sure as heck never shipped Eros and Psyche, and look how it turned out
Hah, right :D Aphrodite is like the hugest shipper who gets to write her romantic fanfic into the cannon, no matter the wars it starts because sweet sweet love stories
literally damned if she gets stroppy
Richard Andrieux obviously that's her NOTP.
Richard Andrieux yes but she ships hoomans and she can kill them without feeling anything but her son is a different story.... she wanted to kill psyche but couldn’t as it would hurt her son and she didn’t want to kill her son because...well.... it’s her son
Another fate for women in Greek Mythologies:
Sacrifices because
a. Their parents pissed off a god.
b. There's no wind.
c. There's no wind because their parents passed off a god
Yep
**COUGH** Andromeda **COUGH**
The no wind thing happened because Agammenon pissed of Artemis.
Hey no wind is a legit reason
Getting turned into flowers, animals, insects, arachnids, plants, water, rocks, etc., because they annoyed a god(dess).
Aphodite: "Oh I totally ship it."
Also Aphodite: "Oops, I accidentallied a war."
Well she was originally a war goddess she might have done it on purpose just for kicks.
@@4wheal
Aphrodite: "Oh so just because I am a love goddess I cannot be a war goddess? Well here is what l think about that..."
@@GhostBear3067 oh no Aphrodite was basically just a divine medic during the war and airlifted some injured dudes out the battle. Got a spear chucked through her wrist and ran away crying just like her boyfriend Ares
@@goatplaysguitar I was referencing her starting the war.
@@4whealwasn’t she a war goddess in
Sparta?
Atlanta: *gets turned into a lion*
Atlanta, having been raised by bears: I can make this work.
Atalanta: goes to bear mom to get fur maintenance advice.
Bear: how, by all the salmon in all the rivers in the world, did that happen?!
Lion Atalanta: Zeus
Bear: *rolls eyes* ask a silly question
When you start shipping Atalanta with the handsome prince and then 2 mins later he dies. :(
Not even Game of Thrones was that cruel to its characters.
NOOOOO. I did not need to know that ;-;
Karishma Changlani here I'll fix it. The three of them have a threesome in whatever afterlife they go to?
Karishma Changlani ikr!
typical YA novels.
Zeus: POSEIDON, YOU GOT TO HEAR THIS ONE!
Poseidon: What is it this time, brother?
Zeus: Okay, so there were these two mortals banging in one of my temples and they didn't even THINK to invite me for a threeway.
Poseidon: What'd you do to them?
Zeus: Oh, I gave them the perfect punishment. I turned them both into lions!
Poseidon: What's so bad about being lions?
Zeus: Don't you know? Lions can only mate with leopards! Their romance is ruined forever!
Poseidon: ... Who told you that?
Zeus: Heracles did. He's such a knowledgeable boy.
Poseidon: Was he drunk at the time?
Zeus: When ISN'T he drunk?
The NPC beautiful
XDD
I don’t get how it relates to the video but it was hilarious as f*ck. 👍
Debbie Mondale Did you read the end card/the black with writing and Red’s singing?
Are you sure you didn't mean Dionyisis told Zeus he having a association with drunkenness, and leopards? Apparently Zeus favored him as well, youngest son and all that...
*"You could be the Jocasta to my Oedipus"*
Yeah, I'm not sure if that's something you wanna say while catcalling someone.
Probably the worst pick-up line in history.
I agree
@@givecamichips I don't know, I saw a D&D nerd open with "Hey, babe, wanna see my purple worm?"
The girl was REALLY not interested in painted figures.
Still smarter than 99% of the catcalls out there. Equally horrifying, but smarter.
"How 'bout you save us both some time and poke your eyes out with a pin?"
I like to interpret that aside from his good looks, Atalanta slowed down after realizing he was kinda smart and good at trickery-- he'd be the brains to counter her overwhelming brawn.
i can just imagine someone bulling him
him you shoud run
bullies why what you gona do
him not me my wife
atlanta bursts i I HEARD THIR WAS MURDERING TO BE DONE
*The race begins*
Hippomenes: Oh wow, Im actually winning
*In the distance faintly he hears "DE JA VU I'VE BEEN IN THIS PLACE BEFORE"*
Hippomenes: Well, it was good while it lasted C;
“Running In The 90s”, actually, but close enough.
Im surprised this got likes-
Hippomenes: Why do I here Eurobeat noises!?
Unorthodox display of hubris, but very well!
I liked how the music gets redirected into every direction Atalanta runs during the foot race. Clever use of sound editing! 😄
Aphrodite: Goddess of Shipping
wait till you read a myth were Aphrodite either disapproves a ship or she wants a ship so bad that doesn't work at all and the mortals reject it
ho ho
Zeus: God of one night stands
Pan: God of the ship gettin’ frisky.
@@wooyeah1738 No. It's...
Pan: The Always Erotic Bisexual God, Literally. Always.
Hippomenes is stated to actually be a desciple of Chiron, one of the smartest characters in Greek Myth.
So yeah, a strong girl DOES need a smart guy.
I also read that it was Chiron who told him to ask for Aphrodite's help, to prevent what otherwise would have been another Atalanta assisted suicide.
You know, I feel like Atalanta and Meleager would have been the bestest of buddies if Meleager's mom had had an ounce of self-control.
I love how when she gets angry, there's a silhouette of a bear behind her. Neet detail.
To seduce a badass lady which was raised by bears, just challenge her and drop shiny things.
#MythologyLoveTips
Or, just do not be an asshole the women wants/has to murder to get rid off.
How people managed to *consistently* fail that (pretty low) benchmark is beyond me.
We all know how much women love "shiny things"!
shiny things > men. good.
@@meh62 You are either a man with a very low value of self, or a women with a very low value of self to say that.
@@christopherg2347 (Psst, I think it was a *joooooooke*)
Headcanon: the bear who adopted Atalanta is Callisto, the nymph follower of Artemis who was seduced by Zeus (while disguised by Artemis, which has created a lot of speculation on whether this meant Artemis and Callisto were lesbian lovers) and after getting pregnant, got turned into a bear (sources differ on whether it was Zeus, Hera or Artemis who did this, all having their own reasons).
My headcanon goes further: first, after discovering Callisto was pregnant, Artemis believed the nymph intentionally broke her vows and banished her from the group, before going off to Mount Olympus to cry to Daddy Zeus about how Callisto had betrayed her. This was how Zeus found out that the nymph in question was pregnant - with HIS child... and Hera was able to deduce from his expression what was what, and this lead to Artemis realizing the truth, that Callisto had been tricked and technically never betrayed her.
It then became a race between the three gods to find Callisto. Zeus and Artemis found her first. Zeus took his new son, Arcas, and hid him away from Hera, while Artemis, thinking quickly, turned Callisto into a bear. At first, she claimed that it was to punish the nymph - but she only said this to soothe Hera. Artemis' real reason was to give Callisto an excuse to re-join the huntresses: since she was no longer a virgin, it would be sacrilege of her to join their group. BUT, if she were a bear, a wild animal with no cause to follow any vows of chastity, then of course she could join them!
So Callisto happily rejoined the huntresses, happy to be back with her friends (and potential lesbian partner), although she was still sad about being parted from her baby... and that's where Atalanta comes in. Since the foundling is a girl, she's completely eligible to join Artemis and her huntresses. Thus Callisto has found comfort in taking care of a baby.
So yeah, Atalanta got to grow up with both a bear and Artemis as mother figures. Also, Artemis never had Atalanta take any "virginity vow", just in case... and that worked out when Atalanta's father claimed her and insisted she marry.
I also read this on wikipedia regarding Atalanta and Hippomenes getting turned into lions: "This view has been criticized, however. In her book The Amazons: Lives and Legends of Warrior Women across the Ancient World, Adrienne Mayor argues there is no evidence to support the notion that the Ancient Greeks believed male and female lions could not engage in sexual intercourse. Rather, Mayor contends the transformation of Atalanta and her lover into lions occurred at a moment of emotional and sexual bliss, which can be interpreted as divine sympathy for a couple who defied traditional Greek gender roles, and thus turning them into lions enabled the lovers to hunt and mate together for all eternity outside of Greek society, which would not have accepted their relationship."
So my headcanon also includes Atalanta and Hippomenes as pet lions to Artemis. The goddess can't accept men into her group, but she has no problem with male animals being around.
This means that Artemis has a pet bear and two pet lions. :D
An excellent theory! Punctured just slightly by the fact that Artemis was the Virgin Goddess of Hunting. It's not that men weren't allowed, just that men usually lacked the self control to avoid chasing after the fairer sex, according to the myths.
It's why Hippolytus was so noteworthy, he was a hunter of Artemis by choice, and perfectly allowed. He only died because a queen tried to seduce him, was rebuffed, and her husband got Poseidon to kill him. And given that Artemis was the *VIRGIN* Goddess, her having a lesbian lover is equally as antithetical to her existence. More likely Calysto was just an extremely good friend and that's was what motivated her to help Calysto out. But her no longer being a virgin, even if it wasn't by choice, means that she couldn't be part of the hunting group anymore.
Artemis has been VERY strict about that, as evidenced by how she turned Actaeon into a Deer just for accidentally seeing Artemis naked.
@@Mech299 Thank you, and you made some excellent points yourself! Although I read that in those ancient times, "virgin" simply meant an unmarried woman, which would leave some wiggle room open for lesbianism - but that's been "scholarly debate," haha.
I feel like if Meleager hadn’t died Atalanta would have married him or at least stayed friends/hunting buddies
Some versions claim that they had sex before he died, though Atalanta got pregnant and was all like "Oh crap, this will prove I broke my vow" and abandoned the kid on a mountain. Don't know what happened to him afterward though.
@@CJCroen1393 what version
@@mohammedyousef4005 Idk which ones specifically, sorry.
@@CJCroen1393 OK do you have any links or something
@@mohammedyousef4005 The source is Hyginus, a Latin author. Atalanta had a son named Parthenopaeus. Different writers say that his father was Hippomenes, Ares, or Meleager. In Hyginus's account Meleager was the father, and Atalanta abandoned Parthenopaeus to hide the fact that she wasn't a virgin anymore. Parthenopaeus would later join up with the Seven Against Thebes.
i like how your summarized description of ancient-Greek sexism is basically primary school pettiness. i can just imagine all the Greek heroes sitting in a treehouse and shouting at Atalanta "no girls allowed", and they refuse to lower the rope ladder or something.
Bear in mind, at lot of these stories only make sense if you look at them as though you are Athenian. In Sparta, as far as I know, women in general were treated significantly better.
And then she climbs up the tree just to spite them
I can see her, in that position, legit getting a chainsaw and cutting down the tree.
@@wooyeah1738 it wouldn't be that much out of character.
@@thehighwayman3122 most spartan women were probably more macho than the men of other greek regions, they were actually taught fighting and battle tactics as if the spartan army were defeated in battle and the opposition advanced on sparta the women would be the last line of defenders.
I started shipping Atalanta and the guy who helped her kill the dude in the space of two minutes.
Two minutes
I need help
Okay but same??
Is it bad that I COMPLETELY relate?
+Magic “NaLulikeJolly” Skittles nah, it's normal. Welcome to the world of crackships
yup T^T
Eleanor Barkla I was kinda upset that she ended up marrying another guy, but all's good in the end (except well, if you believe that Atalanta and Hippomedes got turn into lions)
I love the image that her bear mother is still around living with her hunter family and they all casually having dinners or something together
Ah, Atalanta. The adorable, strong, cat girl Archer of Red.
Yes!
Ah, I knew I'd find a Fate fan in here somewhere.
There’s an AU where she’s got bear features (and is still cute as hell), I just know it
@@sarahcole9661 Name please?
One of my favorite archers. Just pulled her today, So happy.
Aphrodite: I totally ship it!
Me: Same. That’s pretty cute.
If I was a Greek girl
"Take me Artemis! Let me join the hunters! Please!"
You have a
1% chance of that happening
50% of Zeus falling in love with you
15% of Apollo falling in love with you
10% of getting killed by a monster or a bad guy
4% chance of getting saved by a hero and Aphrodite believing that you are a cute couple forcing you to marry him and live the rest of your life as his housewife
5% of murdering your husband afterward by some stupid plot
15% of getting raped by a minor deity
10% getting sacrificed for a goddess or a god
brace your self the inevitable Aphrodite
Γρηγόρης Αράπης when the gods fall in love with a mortal they are typically beautiful so that’s a maybe maybe
That pretty much means you'd be a virgin for life
ancient Greece was pretty sexist so wlw sex wasn't considered sex so!! you could have sex w women and still be considered a virgin if u wanted
I used to have a book of Greek myths when I was younger, and it apparently censored anything violent for kid,(since it was a kid's book) and They had changed Atalanta into a princess who's super beautiful and just happened to be fast, They cut out ALL the badassery of Atalanta. Like, I know that greek myths have like a bajillion of different versions but cOME ON
Omg I think I heard the story like that too. Not like the Greek gods didn't murder a ton 🙄
The only story where Artemis and Aphrodite can work together and create a happy ending.
Then Japan turned her into an anime catgirl who reacts to apples like catnip.
BECAUSE JAPAN
I mean, Japan turned King Arthur into a gluttonous, lion-loving, naive woman in a teenager's body, so why is anybody surprised at this point?
Ilyas Basuki plus Nero
Ilyas Basuki Wait what?
Fate stay night
It's a visual novel where a teenager fucks a genderbent king Arthur.
They also made Jack the Ripper a little girl with mommy complex.
4:22 the mother bear be like "I'm watching you, Hippomenes. I'm watching you."
Protective Bear Parenting at its finest.
No it's like I'm watching you hippomenes always watching
No no, it’s more of, how is THIS your mate? He’s so tiny? How’s he gonna hunt?
Zane For some reason, I imagine Artemis saying to mama bear “ Mother, it is the law of nature! One lover must be as tough as nails, the other sweet as a bean!“
(I know there are foods sweeter than beans, but bean is a very cute word, and some beans are sweet, so I went with that.)
As much trouble as Aphrodite normally causes, I too ship the lady raised by bears and her cinnamon roll.
I think Zeus was just offended that they were doing it consensually in his temple…
4:22 Can we just appreciate the mama bear in the background?
How will it hunt with its tiny paws??
@@dubiouslypresent I would be like. "I'm human I live in a house now."
@@tomsautocadstudio6446 "Unacceptable, you must relearn how to hunt and survive as a bear."
“If this is actually happening, then Rome will conquer Greece. Mark my words.”
1:58 0 to SHIPPED in 4 seconds flat.
Alan Maslowski Same. It’s a shame he died
Their babies would've been glorious
*excuse me what the f-*
Yeet
*Aphrodite finds two people who are friends and finds it cute*
Aphrodite: SHIP! SHIP! SHIP! SHIP!
Aphrodite is literally every teenage girl in our era
I also like to think the apples indicated to Atalanta that he actually put thought into this, and wasn’t just another impulsive kid trying to land a rich wife. He had a plan and was willing to think outside the box to accomplish his goal. She knew she wasn’t going to do much better than a guy who puts thought into major life choices and actually respects her. Or she’s like me, and gets easily distracted by gold in interesting shapes.
OK, Red, the part where you have the centaurs hitting on Atalanta using all those innuendos is GOLD. I mean, seriously, "Wanna let my giant wooden horse into your city?" "I'd like to capture your Ceryneian Hind!" THAT IS COMEDIC GENIUS.
Then we had an "OW MY FACE MY FACE MY FAAAACE!" moment.
It's incredibly rare that I say this, but the end of the story is actually very sweet.
Ethan Golden Ikr. In Greek myths, it’s rare.
Even when the story ends with them getting turned into Lions it's still kinda sweet.
Tom Hur Lions... lions can't mate
I mean, they become lions, but at least they’re together
@@ploofthesheep2887 I'm assuming you mean two lions, as in male lions, can’t mate (in terms of baby making, correct, but homosexuality has been observed in animals). Because if you are saying that a Lion and a lioness can’t mate, I am going to walk up to Mount Everest with the world’s largest megaphone and scream.
I think that her being “out of character” by chasing the apple was a deliberate act so that she didn’t have to kill him
I do love how this big strong woman's story isn't bogged down by meeting "gasp, an equally strong man who isn't a jerk for no reason" in fact she only becomes friends with that fella before he dies, but the way she meets her love is by just actually talking to him and not hating the guy, and when he obviously cheats in the race with distractions she gets entertained by the game of bloody fetch.
Actually Atalanta's not the only female Greek hero! Another one is Cyrene, who shepherded the sheep and scared away all the wild animals while her father was at war. While she was fighting bears, Apollo fell in love with her and took her to Africa. He then founded a city and named it after her (still exists) in what is now called Libya. After a while Cyrene got bored in her palace with Apollo being gone most of the time (he was a god, after all) and decided to go back to her home town and continue slaying bears. She did and Apollo wasn't mad because he kind of understood she got bored. Then after some time Ares came down because he was impressed by her fighting skills, they fought each other, then kissed and had a son, Diomedes (yes, that Diomedes). A few months later she grew bored again and went back to Africa. There she had a heart-to-heart with Apollo, she decided she'd rather be in Africa and he turned her into a nyad. She lived happily ever after.
That was...an amazingly happy ending considering where this story is coming from. What's the catch?
Feste the Phule There is no catch
@@TornaitSuperBird
Y'sure? 'Cause this is unnatural for Greek myths.
Well Perseus had a happy ending from what I’ve read, so this wouldn’t be the first time.
@@TornaitSuperBird uhm.....what about the kid?
4:21
Atalanta: "this is my awesome smart husband,"
Dad number 2: "well I hope he's treating you well"
beard dad and smol dad: *happily smiling*
Mama bear: *Scowling*
I like how it's Implied that the went out and FOUND THE DAMN BEAR like "hi miss you daughter got married" momma bear was like "OH MY GOD WE MUST GO"
The mama bear is disappointed with her choice because he ain't big and hunky, but to be fair he kinda adorkable tho
@@dyppityjoop5912personally I like to think the momma bear was like ohhh this guy better not be a deadbeat just jimmy HEY! Jimmy when are you gonna pay child support!
Meleager deserves a special recognition for his treatment of Atalanta with respect, stood up for her, gave her the credit that she was rightfully due (as she not only landed the first blow but most likely saved his life), and prevented the other hunters from trying to take her reward from her by force; such men: princes, heroes or otherwise are incredibly rare in ancient mythology world wide.
00:49 "So Atalanta got raised by bears, which is twice as rad as being raised by gorillas"
Me thinking:
"Look for the bare necessities
The simple bare necessities
Forget about your worries and your strife
I mean the bare necessities
Old Mother Nature's recipes
That brings the bare necessities of life"
1:11 THE PICKUP LINES I CAAAAAN'T
"HEY BABE WANNA LET MY GIANT WOODEN HORSE INTO YOUR CITY?"
*”I’D LIKE TO CAPTURE YOUR CERYNEIAN HIND”*
That Ones The Best.
@@PepperMcSalt excuse me wtf
@@PepperMcSalt gud
The story of Atalanta is one of my favourites, if only because it's retold so rarely despite being objectively awesome.
And please, we need full length covers of the credit songs, they're always so amazing.
we only mostly get the foot race part
There actually a book based off of this myth called nobody's princess. I read it a while back before finding this myth.
I'd like to get background information about ALL the music in her videos, especially this one.
QueenBoadicea Well this one is Strangers Like Me, by Phil Collins which was a part of the Disney Tarzan soundtrack. Which is why she mentions that being raised he bears is cooler than being raised by Gorillas.
I don't mean just the end song over the credits (I actually recognized that tune). I want to know about all of the other incidental music.
I love the ending Scene, Beartemis is just “I’ve got mah eye on you boy”
when i had initially heard this the golden apples he gets from Aphrodite were described as irresistible hence her going after them every time, kind of like it this way more since that interpretation leads into the whole getting screwed over and not having a say in her marriage, which was common in mythology
Rules of Mythology:
If the story has anything to do with Artemis, either somebody's about to get ded, somebody's going to become a badass, or both...
*_cough cough_* Orion *_cough cough_*
@@Cam-jl9kh He's dead (After being a badass ig)
2:52
Maleger: Atalanta? I don't feel so good...
Caitlyn S TOO SOON
Maleger turns to dust like in infinity war
@@HunterPrimeYT Likely what happened...but ash.
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Yeah
Like everyone is alive again
NO HE WAS MY FAVORITE CHARACTER
BAD FIRE WOOD CHUCKER
BAD
Zeus - I'll turn them into lions! That'll put a stop to that hank-panky!
Aphrodite - ~*knows female lions in heat can mate up to several dozen times a day*~ LMAO!!!
"No not by training. You think any amount of training is gonna let you out run a woman raised by bears" I had to pause for ten minutes because I could... not..stop...laughing! Damn good!
I remember reading a version of the myth where Meleager and Atlanta were actually in love with each other so she was very torn up about him dieing. Hippomene’s reminded her of him when he was hunched over and hiding the apples because that was the same way Meleager looked before he died. The apples also brought up some memories and Atlanta either decided that this was the person she was going to marry and purposely lost or.... was too distraught to actually finish the race.
I know the last one is much sadder and grosser interpretation but that something you could definitely get out of reading the passage I did.
Wow your version of the story is way better. (Also you spelled dying wrong)
Meleager held it in just long enough
I always interpreted it as she lost on purpose.
It's 1 in the morning and I was about to go to sleep. I guess this could be my bedtime story then.
The Espionage
And thus is the beauty of the internet. While it is the dead of night where you are, I am eating lunch.
The Espionage sleep tight
Enjoy your meals I guess.
Nowhere Man Thanks.
Anyone have any clue what song is playing in the background at 3:13?
Fun story- When I was in sixth grade we spent a lot of time on Greek mythology so we did several skits and readers theatres to learn the myths. Our final big play of the year was Jason and the Golden Fleece, and in that version Atalanta was an argonaut and I played her, which was super fun
How did it go?
@@thesymbiotenation.4552 This was several years ago, but it went really well
@@savanahschwartz3520 ohhh nice, how did your Atalanta look? historically accurate or did you improvise?
"You remembered HESTEA and not ME?"
Gurl please... Hestia is very important god of greece, she present in every offering flames, have the honor to have the first offering even before the big Z itself, every offering have Hestia portion, every hearth on every home is her temple, every city in ancient greece have her fiery hearth which never burned out and forever burn, she is the protector of home, her roman equivalent Vesta have one the biggest festival, tending the hearth flame is considered full time job on ancient greece, when the house hearth flame goes off its the failure sign of religious and domestic care of family.
She is the secret big guy on olympian who would dare to forgot her?
Probably one of the least messed up and more sweet Greek stories. I'm actually impressed.
She cut the ending.
I mean the ending only happens in some versions
I still can't remember the Atalanta's equivalent in the Heros of Olympus by Rick Rordan. I remember the part about the fire-stick guy and hoards of guys hitting on some girl and the God of love being herself.
hint: read the end credit
And yet it still involves murdering literally dozens of people, mostly because they were being jackasses! (Meleager's uncles and the suitors.)
3:10 ATALANTA HAS A BEAR PAW PRINT COFFEE MUG
it was paw prints and a hand print, probably an adorable drawing of her and her siblings childhood handprints. ya know, that thing parents do that is actually kinda weird
Catherine Tso left hand background at 1:05
Lol
"I'd like to capture your Ceryneian Hind!"
That's Artemis's favorite animal, if I remember correctly, so that's double offensive to someone who worships Artemis.
Nice touch.
Great story, and nicely narrated (as usual, Red). It's just too bad about that Meleager guy. At least one of Aphrodites' ships finally worked out in a good way.
0:49. You know what's even more rad than being raised by bears?
Being a lion raised by bears.
Zeus's punishment successfully made Atalanta's life even cooler. I have to remember to anger Zeus soon.
"In some versions Atalanta and Hippomenes are turned into lions by Zeus after they bang in one of his temples" DAMMIT OVID WHYYY
I mean that’s not too bad as far as transformation curses go. At least it wasn’t a flower or a tree, they are badass lions now and can still make love. I think it works in their favor.
actually, no. The greeks thought that lions couldn't mate amongst themselves. So it was a fitting punishment.
though like she said...jokes on them, and Zeus. But yeah Zeus really does have a history of being a dick, and thinking with it....
Not bad as Ovid proposing the myth that Athena punished Medusa cause she got raped by Poseidon.
Two lions (no lioness) have still a problem... Especially since Zeus reportedly used them to drive his char.
"I'm sorry, I must have misherd you. I thought there was MURDERING TO BE DONE. NOT ARTS & CRAFTS"
-Atalanta in a nutshell
I love how Atalanta went back to show off her husband to all of her parental figures at the end!
3:20
Sweet free sword!
I love all the little background details.
So do I! It was so hilarious XD
Zeus turns Atalanta into a lion? So that's why she has cat ears and a lion tail in the Fate series! Neat.
I actually watched this because of the fate series. Mostly to comment about how she's only cool in Fate. And yeah, I was wondering about that.
ppl behind fate franchises already researched so much things before making new heroes/heroines.
that's how amazing they are. i love this thing. so much efforts and details.
but unfortunately, they set aside the accuracy of the history. like.. change the gender, change the age, make their heroes wear slutty costumes, etc. i hate this thing
That's... mostly Grand Order's fault, frankly. Stay Night and Zero treat most of the heroes in question with respect, even if they turned Iskandar into a giant and Gilgamesh into a blond white guy. Even Apocrypha has some kickass designs (*cough* Mordred is best Saber *cough*), save for Jack the Ripper.
no. every fate franchises are like that. from the main fate to the trash fate (fate outside the fate zero and fate stay night)
even king arthur is a female..
Yeah, but considering how much the myths themselves change over centuries of writing and rewriting? I'm prone to forgiving early Fate a bit more. Remember Lancelot? Basically an Inuyasha self insert OC who was good at everything and got the girl instead of Arthur. And then there's Galahad, who was made to be even better at everything and the guy to find the Grail while Lancelot was subsequently demonized. Considering that and the fact that we basically treat mythology as a grab bag rather than a strict canon at this point, is what Fate did really that bad?
And then she went crazy and tried to kill Joan of Arc in order to avenge Jack the Ripper.
I love that the mama bear in the last drawing looks SUPREMELY pissed off
How do you make all these drawing so cute? I mean, Atalanta is freaking adorable!
vm141789 IKR
well i mean handing someone an apple in ancient greece was considered a proposal soo.... i guess that's why he threw golden apples and not golden oranges or something
...besides the fact that Europe didn't have oranges back then :)
true
Actually if you were proposing/confessing your love, you had to throw the apple at them and it had to hit them(usually in the head). Granted, like all things regarding Ancient Greece; sources vary.
Why thank you for the information
Fun fact, and I can't remember where I read this, but there is apparently a theory that what the ancient Greeks considered 'golden apples' may in fact have actually just been imported oranges.
2:51 when suddenly the only decent guy in the hunting party suffered a fatal heart attack
I like her portrayal in the fate series. Specifically how fgo says the reason why she loses the race is because she loves some apples even though she still acts like she under the vow of purity too artermis. Also her valentine ce is a chocolate golden apple.
"The only Classical Greek Hero who manages to kick ass AND have two 'X' chromosomes?"
You mean you've never heard of Cyrene? The lady wrestled LIONS and was awesome enough to attract the romantic interest of Apollo AND Ares! :)
Vanguard-01 true. And Otrera
Vanguard-01 and all the other Amazon queens
Well, aside from Otrera, just about every other Amazon queen was eventually laid low by a male hero, so they probably don't quite count.
But Otrera? Now THERE was a badass lady! A rebel who went toe-to-toe with the Patriarchal system of the ancient world and kicked it's ass multiple times. A warrior awesome enough to hold together an alliance between Ares and Artemis. A leader who led women to join her in her rebellion.
Sure, she also committed the same atrocities that men did at the time, but we are specifically looking at her ability to kick ass. Not analyzing her morality.
Also Otrera and Psykhe.
she said "to my knowledge"
chances are, she saw your comment and is trying to look up Cyrene and Otrera to summarize their stories. i don't mean to sound rude, but give her a little credit
Waaaait... why the heck would the Greeks think lions only made love to leopards? That's... where did they think extra lions came from?
I love how Atalanta's doting parents are 3 dads and a bear!
I don’t know whether to feel good about a couple not being destroyed in some capacity or bad that the whole relationship was able to occur thanks to Aphrodite
I kinda think of it as Hippomenes outsmarting Aphrodite into giving Artemis a plausible-sounding excuse to allow one of her favorite mortals to be happy.
This girl is so awesome! I *wish* I could be worthy of her. Clearly these other guys aren't; she's straight-up killing them! How do I be *not* like them? I guess the biggest thing they've got in common is not respecting her. Which, is already a way I can stand out.
But I still have to win the contest somehow. Even if she does somehow like me, she can't just call off the contest, without having to deal with all those other guys she started the contest to get rid of.
But how can I win? I can't possibly outrun her. *No one* runs faster than her! At least... not if she's trying seriously...
But if I can get her attention before that, maybe I can somehow *signal* her, that I am different? Hmm, she still couldn't call off the contest. But maybe, if she decides somehow that she does like me, she could lose on purpose? But she'd have to find a way to make it not too obvious, or all the other guys watching would get mad. They might not kill her for that, but they might kill me. If *she* kills me for the contest, that's fair and square, in the terms of her own contest rules. That's a risk I'm signing up for. But if I do win, I don't want the other *contestants* to kill me. So, on the off-chance I manage to stand out to her somehow and she does like me somehow, she needs to have an "excuse" for losing the race.
Maybe one of the gods could help. Divine intervention is one of the best possible excuses. I suppose Aphrodite would be the obvious choice, this being about love and all, but... Atalanta is one of the best hunters in history. She's *clearly* got some sort of tie to Artemis. And she and Aphrodite don't tend to get along very well. If Aphrodite realizes her help would be making one of Artemis's favorite people happy, she might not help. She might even make things worse. When she's mad at someone, she does sometimes even get in the way of people in love, just to hurt those she's mad at.
What if I find a way to frame this as somehow "tricking" Artemis? Aphrodite's always trying to interfere with people dedicated to Artemis, and steal them from her influence into her own. If we can frame this that way, Aphrodite might not notice that Artemis *might* even *like* what's going on.
Trying to deceive one of the gods is always risky business, and not even just for mortals. But... if I'm doing this for love, that's got to be my best chance of being forgiven by Aphrodite. ...right?
Welp, here goes, I guess....
Atalanta is actually my favorite hero in Greek mythology.
In the version of the story I read, she just zips over to the apples because they're golden and she figures 'Hey, I'm awesome, I can just detour real quick and steal beat this kid. Hell! A snail in a coma could beat this kid in a foot race, I've got pllllenty of time!'. It's a classic 'Tortoise and the Hare' scenario. Her hubris was, because every man always underestimates her, she underestimates every man (except Jason).
yep, that is the correct interpretation. Ancient Greeks Loved Hubris!!
On one hand, this story has the hubris concept and that's cool. On the other hand, I think Red's version is more 'popular' because Atalanta actually gets to choose who she marries rather than being stuck with a husband she didn't even necessarily like, which would have kinda overturned the entire point of her story
That's makes a lot of sense, most of greek heroes had too much hubris
I like the version that I read as a kid where Hippomenes is wins the race and Atalanta DIDN'T let him win. She later sits down to have supper with him on their wedding night and after talking for a few falls in love with him because his Literally radiates joy to the extent that it can infect the gods. AKA the reason he got the golden apples in the first place. The story implies that some men can be so innately good and full of cheer that they are capable of bringing out the loving side of even the most murder happy and violent of women.
Either-or really.
So he was a literal sunshine grenade.
I like your version
So... I think will need a Hippomenes in my life. Ugh, he too pure and a sunshine, my gods ;^;
As much as this story is amazing, I wish Meleager didn’t die,
Even if he isn’t the “Best boy” he was my favorite
Don’t care if he doesn’t end up with her I just wanted him to be alive
1:51
Atalanta's stand: Mother bear
Those kindergarteners who really love tag: “I’m sorry I must of misheard you I thought there was murdering to be done here not *arts and crafts* ”
"You remembered Hestea and not me?" - 1:27
Nobody remembers Hestia lol
@@johnapple6646 actually, whenever someone made an offer to Olympus she was always the first one to receive it, even before Zeus. So in reality it's the opposite. It was basically mandatory to remember Hestia in ancient Greece.
Like how the Romans put lots of importance on the Vestal virgins?
Atalanta and Hippomenes after being turned into lions : CAN YOU FEEL ~~ THE LOVE TONIGHT ~~
Zeus : Wha.. What the heck?!!
Apollo : I've told you numerous time father, Disney Movies are educational! Unlike Hercules! ....except Hercules
*pulling the spear off her dead enemy "So you can't do arts, crafts and murdering?" Athena
I actually really like this version of the story! There's something sweet in Atalanta intentionally losing against Hippomenes because she's developed a sweet spot for him and didn't want to see him killed.