HOW MH3 CHANGES LEGACY- A Analysis of Modern Horizons 3 Early Access (MTG)
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- čas přidán 12. 07. 2024
- I discuss Moderns Horizons 3 (MH3) and it's implications for the Magic: the Gathering Online Legacy format. Early Access gave us a good first look at which cards are the most powerful cards, top cards, and busted cards from Modern Horizons 3. Let's look at how MH3 will change Legacy! Prepare to face Nadu, Winged Wisdom!
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0:00 Intro
2:35 Nadu
10:18 Vexing Bauble
14:39 White Orchid Phantom
17:54 Six
19:26 Harbinger of the Seas
20:44 Planar Nexus
25:03 Eldrazi
31:02 Necrodominance
35:50 MDFCs
38:43 Flare of Cultivation
42:16 Conclusion
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Bell curve meme: "i mUst pRoTeCt my LifE tOtAL"
"My life total is a resource!!!"
"I must protect my life total."
Listen...
I really wish I could be a fly on the wall for deciding to give Nadu 2 triggers per turn instead of 1. Like, I get pushing, but that was such a weird direction!
It's effectively infinite triggers isn't it, considering the limit is per creature and not per Nadu.
Just joined the channel, and this is the sort of intelligent and detailed analysis that makes that decision feel very worth it. Keep up the good work, Phil!
Thanks and welcome!
Necrodominance has 70% turn 1 win rate (validated with simulator). 30% of those wins are protected. Single force is not enough to make it scoop.
If those numbers are accurate that's deeply, deeply stupid. Obviously we should give some time for people to add hate and adapt, but 70% is ridiculous.
@@salvation122there's not a lot of hate that works. Mindbreak doesn't stop the necro and they'll have drawn 19 by the time you can try to counter anything.
Came here to say this. Necro is a turn 1 machine, it seems. Very good card.
I'd love to see it any links to that. What does that model/simulation do?
@@Fry_Guy sideboard gutshot?
I think you might be underselling the power of the Borne Upon A Wind end-step storm decks with Necrodominance. I saw a video by Tony Scapone recently of a 5-0 league where he only lost a single game, won on turn 1 in 8/11 games, and had **protected** turn 1 kills in around half of those (possibly more). It looked pretty outrageous.
I watched that video. Did not look healthy for a format.
@@squee147 Yeah, it looked like the sort of thing that needs to be rather immediately banned tbh.
If Necrodominance is essentially the same as Necropotence in all the ways that matter for these end-step combo decks, it seems like an odd choice to ban one and not the other. I think people run around with their hair on fire too often for new things that turn out to be ok once people have had a chance to adjust to the new strategies, but the raised eyebrows seem pretty justified for this one. I guess time will tell.
@@christopherlundgren1700 To be fair, Necropotence was banned well before it was possible to easily kill on turn 1 in Legacy with it. Necropotence is a much more powerful "fair" card, but they are, as you say, equivalent in terms of killing on the same turn.
Not to mention the ability to mull to 4 and still win turn 1.
my biggest take away from this set is the power level. They seem to not have broken it? Maybe Necro and Nadu but apart from those, this set seems very fair within a legacy context. I haven't looked at modern yet and I don't know if I will lol, but its good to know that wizards have not set everything on fire this time
Yes. More specifically, the most powerful cards have specific restrictions and are not just universal good-stuff like the pitch elementals.
I am scared of the new Tony Necro lists but certainly less bad than previous MH
Agreed.
last night I got to play nadu in modern hammertime at my LGS. Hoooooooooo boy is it something.
Best line was "Fuck you Phil here's $50 your playing Merfolk" Had me rolling !
Witherbloom chain of smog is the combo you're looking for, dark ritual costs one mana meeting the requirement to not care about the bobble. Turn one bobble, turn to dark ritual, weatherbloom, chain of smog, dead
I think it’s even better in Painter because the deck already runs Urza’s Saga
Yeah these definitely feel like 2 of the best imo
The Necrodominance decks have been evolving so rapidly, I think they're going to be incredibly real.
A list from today's 5-0 decklist dump on MTG Goldfish (which is calling it UBG for whatever reason) only ran 2 copies of Borne Upon a Wind, apparently relying more heavily on 4 copies of Valakut Awakening. And that's in a deck with 4x Pact of Negation and 3x Chancellor of the Annex.
I for one am looking forward towards our psychic frog overlord
I don't know if it's legacy power level, but chain of vapor seems really good in cedh lists for nadu. 1 mana removal is useful even if it's just a bounce, and with Nadu and a mana dork out, it can be draw 4+ and add some mana for U. It can save your Nadu in the process, and you can play it back down to reset the twice per turn restriction.
Scute Mob may be too slow, but I think you may have missed Springheart Nantuko which also came out with MH3. Sure, it still dies to Bowmasters, but it's only 2 mana.
Are there other two mana plays that die to bowmasters that see play? ...besides other bowmasters
@@t-spark Most of those don't win you the game though. Also Cephalid Illusionist is a 2 mana 1/1.
@@t-sparkyou can get around bowmasters by bestowing it
Yeah, I didn't know about that one until after I had recorded.
@@t-spark delver plays questing druid sometimes but it’s that has an impulse draw stapled to it plus a very short window to actually kill it with bow masters
I'm pretty surprised that Wight of the Reliquary wasn't in this line up
If sea king's blessing somehow becomes a played card, probably worth noting it's only one card in a five card cycle, one of each color. Of course only the blue one pitches to force of will and the green one is the only other one to match nadu's colors.
Found your channel through boshnroll, in particular the game you played against his nadu deck mentioned in this video. Glad I found another great channel.
Welcome and glad to have you here!
On Nadu and Breakfast... Breakfast players were very high on Staff of the Story Teller over Stoneforge because a card draw engine is just so powerful in that deck (it helps that Urzas Saga tutors Shuko and provides a legit backup beatdown plan).
Granted, Bowmasters slaughters Staff, so many went back to Stoneforge once LotR hit. Here's the thing, though, you don't need to change the deck at all to run 3 Nadu. Nadu with Stoneforge or Saga is going to be a easy draw six every turn. That is exactly what Breakfast wants, since your oppo is often mulliganing and/or two for oneing themselves to not die to the combo. It is going to be very very hard to lose with that reload.
And the deck already has 9 Shuko between Stoneforge and Saga. Both also provide extra bodies to target and draw. It really just needs a secondary Shuko payoff (hence why it runs wizard cycling).
It is easy to find 3 cuts for Nadu, too. Most decks run multiple Stoneforge payoffs. Wth three or four Nadu giving you 7-8 Shuko payoffs, you can cut the Batterskull, the Lion Sash, etc, and focus on getting Shuko more (though I'd still play one Kaldra). You can also probably cut the Wizard cycler too.
I will say, nadu also just works with nomads en kor as well as shuko. Deck was barely playing black to begin with aside from surgical and cabal therapy. Some world where you have a nomad and drop nadu. Casually instant speed "draw" 4. I've also been brewing a bant stone blade "maverick" deck that seems super promising. Nadu without an infinite is still one of the strongest free value creatures we have ever gotten. Not to mention Nadu is a wizard and the deck already plays step through wizard cycling.
Flare of Cultivation does get drastically better with other green critters that like dying. Dinosaur Egg comes to mind. Probably not super competitive but it's so so fun.
ThrabenU you are also an awesome artist. Live-streaming is just a different art.
Hey I loved this video and this type of content. It’s like an “extra mini podcast” on the channel. Very nice and informative
it's really funny that in the post mortem of the mtgo "pre-release" event nadu "requires field of the dead" when the that brian just threw it in cause he thought the deck should have good lands in it the fact that it's a bonkers synergy was a live discovery
For Scute Swarm, if you get Bowmasters'd in response to the shuko, if you hit a land on the Bowmasters target, and you have 6 or more lands afterwards, you get yourself another scute swarm. In that way, Swarm is a bit more protected than it seems. Especially if you already have a nadu in play.
3:10 I've never gotten into cEDH but ooooooo Nadu in cEDH sounds sweeeeet
Phil, thank you so much for featuring my Nadu art! Your work continues to impress! The competitive Magic community is wiser, kinder, and better off thanks to you!
And you keep drawing awesome stuff! It's always a treat to see what you're cooking up!
You may have been misusing Kozilek's Command a bit. I think the default mode should be inefficient removal that replaces itself with the draw. I saw you exiling a lot of graveyards that I didn't think were high priority, and in the match vs Necrodominance when you timed out while drawing towards Karn or All is Dust, you made 9 Spawns on a stable board instead of taking 10+ looks and a draw toward the win. 2 mana kill a token and draw a card, 3 mana kill a Delver or DRC and Opt, 4 mana kill Dauthi or Stoneforge and Preordain... it's always just a bit behind the curve as removal, but that's why it's only really playable in big mana decks that want to be ahead of the curve on mana generation anyway. I can't say for sure yet whether it's actually good, but I don't think it's fair to throw it out without focusing more on the cantrip mode.
the amount of games i watched of necrodominance winning on turn 1 is a little nuts to say it is hard to do
I feel Nadu can slot in place of Illusionist in a bant shell, as you can just put your deck in your hand for thoracle with force of will or even back up and no need for narcos and dread return. Idk I absolutely love the bird. Would love to see a bant flicker deck with karakas, noble hierarchs, nadu, phelia, stoneforge, cryptic coat, etc.
I think it replaces Staff of the Storyteller type cards. Whether it’s worth making your mana worse is an open question.
there’s a new two mana scute swarm in mh3 which makes the curve a nice 1 2 3
Yeah, I didn't know about that one until after this was recorded.
I personally think Nadu's days are numbered in 60-card constructed formats.
Where did you find the Nadu art from the thumbnail? Looks amazing!
Goldsabertooth! His Twitter is linked in the video description.
Vexing bauble in Cheerios might be a fun deck with multani’s presence.
"winning the turn you play necrodominace is tough"
+10-19 cards is generally enough to win a game of legacy.
Note that without a Leyline of Anticipation or Borne Upon a Wind, it is VERY tough to win that same turn. Decks that are doing that are very much warping their entire deck around doing so. We've gone 8 spirit guides and Manamorphose deep.
It feels like there is room for Six to play with Aetherflux Reservoir. Life from the Loam shenanigans with some phyrexian spells maybe. I can't think of a reliable way to fetch the goldfish bowl out early though. It could also be a tendrils win attached to a grindy lands plan.
Edit: Lotus Petal retraced over and over would cover the mana costs if you could trigger draws on artifact cast since it would be net positive with the 3 lands from life from the loam and you'd eventually dredge through until aetherflux.
Yeay! Slay The Spire references!!)
I am a heavy korvold player, Six is a card i am particularly hyped about alongside Life from the Loam and Dakmor Salvage in the deck. LED, Lotus petal, skirk prospector and wild cantor can all pick the deck up alongside that package pretty easily, whether to the graveyard via dredge or to hand from korvold triggers - it's gonna be awesome with the fact all of our wincons are permanent based!
Six has impressed me. I've got a video with it uploading now!
Tony broke Necrodominance already. Eight turn one wins in one league + Trophy.
Thoughts on endstep necrodominance combo: high tide is mostly going off at flash speed anyway
Already had a Titania, Protector of Argoth EDH deck, once I saw Nadu it was goin simic. Can't wait for it to come in and ruin some friendships lol.
The vexing bauble combo deck could be a grim monolith paradox engine deck
I think everyone is undervaluing Nulldrifter. It's amazing with Dress Down since you still get to draw cards and it doesn't get sacrificed to the evoke trigger then and worst case scenario is that it just draws two for 3. It being a cast trigger instead of an enter the battlefield trigger means it gets around most counters.
I played it in limited and copied it with Cursed Mirror. I won all those games.
@@ThrabenUniversity That sounds very fun!
I'm curious if there are other cards you can run alongside veteran explorer to make flare of cultivation better. Dinosaur Egg is the first thing I found on a quick search, but I'm unsure if that's good enough at 2 MV.
Arboreal Grazer is the next best choice I think. Grazer gives four mana on turn 2 assuming you had 2 lands in your opening hand.
Notable to me about Harbinger ot the Seas is that it could open up a Simic merfolk strategy running Carpet of Flowers as a payoff in the mainboard assuming the meta allows.
There is a 2 mana scute swarm which just feels better imo
Can vexing bauble stop cards like LED or lotus petal?
Yup!
I want to see a black red reanimater list with 4 necrodominance. Griselbrand will gain the life back. Seems pretty good to me. Everyone's using it for storm but could be good in other decks too.
Doesn't the Self-RiP clause on Necrodominance kinda make that a bad idea?
What is it with WotC and that 1UG mana cost, eh?
I enjoyed the format this week, Phil. If you can find a way of doing it for the next spoiler season with a less horrible working day, I'd be happy to have it back. Just doing 2 or 3 days of vids would also be fine.
To be fair, if all the broken cards cost the same amount of mana, at least they compete with each other.
hey man where can i send blankets and razors?
Flare of cultivation I feel like will become cabal therapy 2-4 since it plays a lot smoother then therapy and keep one in the side so for games where therapy is just bad. Also against combo decks Nic fit will love it due to if you play veteran 2 (untapped) lands and 2 tapped lands turn 1 if you green sun twice that's turn 2 7 mana
The Nic Fit folks aren't too hot on it, so we'll see!
Dryad Arbor would make Flare of Cultivation similar to Land Grant but better, right?
Vexing Bauble in Painter
Also shuts off Force of Vigor
Did you see or have opinions on amped raptor for legacy at all? Have been interested in how good it looks in modern and was looking to brew with it in legacy as well but feels broad as a card to brew also with how flexible it is
I don't think it's playable.
@@ThrabenUniversity I agree after testing but the card IS pretty fun in burn because its another bolt but like a smash/searingblood level one where its a 2 mana spell that is often a bolt plus a body? probably not enough to make burn playable but REALLY fun
But someone just got a trophy for yorion breakfast stoneblade nadu deck 😂
How do you cope with grief reanimate? Asking for a timeless.
Uh, it doesn't bother me that much. Legacy is such a powerful format and everyone is trying to do broken stuff. Grief is just a part of that, and is certainly not worse than other things I've had to do with for ages (Oko, Dreadhorde, Ragavan, etc).
Check out TonyScapone's video playing combo necrodominance in legacy. I think he said it had a 80% first turn win rate. Its insane and I wouldn't be surprised if it is banned in legacy.
i realized that many mtg players were like "oh merfolk gets a massive boost" and i agree.. but what if you play harbinger in a high tide deck instead?
i also think flare of cultivation has not only the downsides you mentioned. i also think because it is a sorcery, it really loses its place in legacy.
I'm surprised during those games with Kozilek's Command you never Exiled a creature + draw a card. Spending 2 mana to remove an Urza's Saga Construct + Draw a card seems great. I think this is a sideboard card. You can't exactly play 8 copies of Dismember.
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hey phil your camera's slightly out of focus
was about to comment the same thing myself! it looks like the microphone is in focus, so you might want to adjust your camera settings to change the zone autofocus? instead of having it focus on whatever's closest to the camera
I disagree with your assessment of Nadu in Breakfast. As a Breakfast player, I am using Nadu as a backup plan/way to find the combo rather than trying to combo with Nadu.
What about shifting woodland?
It's a card. I haven't seen it hit play yet.
I think you can find ways to use the modal cards in scam. Yeah life is a problem, but more pitches go brr
Necrodominance will get a quick ban. The deck has too much turn 1 power.
You mispronounced Harbinger of the Seas. It's actually said "Flood Moon".
Nadu belongs in beanstalk in legacy. Just make beanstalk Bant
Can legacy go 5 minutes without changing, please?
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I know this is your job Phil but how can anyone be excited for more horizons sets? I am exhausted, im not updating decks, this set is just a load of rip offs and lazy call backs, the original designs like Nadu are egregious design mistakes.
I got so many new toys! How could I not be excited?! Seriously, actually play the games of Magic has been a treat, and gameplay and deckbuilding both feel interesting.
That was a temporary thing to record deck techs prior to the cards being available online.
Not to doubt an english teacher in matters of language, but something about the title of this video feels a bit off.
I think it’s the A, instead of An Analysis, and the - not being centered between the two words. I could be incorrect on how to use - though.
Oh yeah, I got halfway through changing the title and didn't finish changing it. whoops