Chess.com Is Full Of (Unbanned) Cheaters!
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- čas přidán 12. 03. 2023
- Chess.com apparently has the best chess "cheat detection" system, so why are so many obvious cheaters not getting banned?
And, yes, I reported all the accounts.
In this video I expose some cheaters that have not been banned yet, some of the reasons why I'm confident they're cheating, and how they're beating the system.
In short, to beat the chess.com cheat detection system, you just need to:
1. Lower the skill level of your bot
2. Play some random moves by yourself
3. Play variants
Chess.com has no way to analyze variants games with an engine, because they're not smart enough to download Fairy Stockfish, or worse, go to lichess. That means that anyone can cheat as in variants in any way they'd like.
My argument for why these accounts are cheaters relies mostly on their move times, but also their style of play. No player could play so many bullet games with move times described in the video (all moves between 0.3-0.8 seconds, etc). If the cheaters find a way to randomize move times better, even I probably wouldn't suspect them. - Zábava
Me: win my opponents rook
My opponent: after 1 minute of thinking finds 10 consecutive best moves and wins my queen😢😢😢
Thats always such a fcking annoying giveaway. You put your opponent in an obviously bad spot, then they spend like 1-2 minutes "thinking", which is immediately followed by making 10 perfect moves in a row to bring them out of their shitty position.
as a 1800 player in bullet I sometimes lose against 800 elo players , so I know there is a lot of cheater undetected
Same. Just went back to play on my first account which I hadn't played any blitz on, and I still haven't past 1200. The cheating is rampant and obvious. I'm getting crushed by 900s, but if I play on my main account I have a consistent 50/50 win/lose rate at 1800.
Bullet is wild. As a 1000, I once beat a 2300 in 10 second chess. Your chances of winning a game against a 1800 are pretty much 1 in 2.
@@holymeto9981 OP was, but I'm not talking about bullet. I get crushed in blitz.
I'm getting cheaters in 2500 elo lobbies too💀 they be having those 98 accuracy like wtf?
im rated about 1500, and I could easily beat an 800 rated player 100 times out of 100 in OTB chess. I played an 800 rated player a week ago who played 95.6% through a 50 game endgame. I play the caro-kann a lot and he played the exchange variation and preceded to gain the most minimal advantage over the next 30 moves. 800's don't play that way. yet he didn't get banned. He's still not banned.
I uninstalled this app recently and man can I say levels of accuracy on some people is near 100
I am about to do the same
@@MajorKassad look at most games and see there percentages the app lets u see certain games for free if u haven't paid some are like 92-98 accuracy u report and block them and they still match you up
What’s the alternative? Lichess is full of cheaters too, but way less players.
@@smb161 I’m quitting chess
@@smb161 because what is the point of playing with cheaters?
I think it's 90% now. It's the money.
This site is horrible. I only play because of the competitivity. Full of cheaters and full of liers, they always say that they have the best anticheat system and even a five years old can avoid the ban hahahahaha. I'm really frustrated with this site😤
It's obvious why. It's because they have subscriptions to the game... and the better ur subscription the more you get away with it. It wouldnt make sense for them to ban 30,000 people that are paying them $15.00 a month. They only really care about their money events and outside of that you need to have a title for ur report to do anything. Because a huge % of players just report people when they lose and they arent actually cheating. But if you watch like a GM speed run youll notice that if they play aganst a cheater that person will get banned immediately after the game. They do have good cheat detection and they also choose to not use it on everyone. Free accounts that don't pay anything get caught pretty quick, people that play the real money events, and people that get reported by titled players... other than that you can buy a subscription go months and months cheating until ur rating gets high enough that you start playing titled players and the will report you and you get caught. Better off just leaving the game if ur facing a titled player and cheating.
Update on these accounts which I called out in this video:
AhmedMostafaFathi is now banned (13 days after this video)
winningirl changed their username to Dangerous_Lady (now banned, at least 2 months after this video)
ebny568 is now banned (at least 39 days after this video)
UnknowPlayerr is now banned (at least 122 days after this video)
theyre banned now too btw
They probably made new accounts after the ban
Please do more cheating videos , also start making fake account and catch cheaters 800-1500 range ... Your subscriptions will quadruple... Bro please ...
Can You make a video on cheating in 3+0 ?
Clearly, there are games where I can sense I play a human,
and then there are games that just feel weird.
The sad thing is that girl did not even get banned she just changed her username to Dangerous Lady
The lower elo (300-100) is riddled with cheaters, like they purposefully stay there to bully the newbies (me), even in 3+0 or bullet. And it take forever for them to be banned, most of then never get banned even after 1 year.
It seems like Cc is just banning people when they becoming publicly shammed for it, while not improving their detection system. Im convinced the amount of “light cheating”, which is just cheating, is rampant at low elo on Cc. I can rank 1000 rapid 10+0 on lichess and the games feel more honest. On Cc im ranked 934 in puzzles without trying, but 150 elo in rapid where i have all my online games basically(45%win,48% lost,7%draws). Ive only been playing/learning for about three months so i dipped down to 100s at start. Ive had multiple games with no blunders, and some where i had 80% accuracy, won, and analysis rated me 700-800. These were often games right after i did some lessons and was in the zone.
Heres the thing though, i think a lot of people have had similar happen. Unfortunately a lot of them choose to start using bot in important moments in attempt to get out the low elo hole. I have analyzed some of my games and my opponent plays complete book openings gaining advantage over me who doesnt know all the opening variations yet. Then theyll start playing like they dont know chess much at all, ill gain advantage…and theyll just keep finding best moves in the most key moments. It always just feels off. However i could imagine someone looking at my games and possibly thinking I cheated, as some games i just played much better than others. Yet i know for a fact i never have, so im not sure how possible it is to actually detect cheating completely. Its likely balance of too many false accusations and too many unbanned cheaters. Which seems to just allow enough room for bot assistance to be used sporadically or in methodical way. As a beginner its really demoralizing, but ive still been growing to love chess regardless.
tl;dr sporadic/methodical cheating seems too difficult to detect without also having false accusations becoming an issue. Sad state for online chess
A Cc moderator argued that I receive no rating refunds, because I am a premium member ( i.e. less likely to be paired against cheaters). Funny, since premium members also have unlimited game review/analysis, which is the opposite of oblivious.
I play 3 min almost exclusively, my account is 16 years old never got premium. I’ve had a steady climb up to 1350 range but some days I just get constant hammering, but in general I notice most are not cheating as I’ll notice my mistake after moving and they don’t immediately capitalize on it like higher rated players would. But I almost hate the idea of becoming even higher rated because I’m worried I’ll face pure bots wanting the ratings for status
Yes I never improved past the average. But I’m casual player, risk taker…
this is still an issue and they pretend to do things about when a cheating scandal happens but they arent doing crap about it
and honestly tired of playing cheaters
this is so sad, i had no idea it was this bad
Rapid 10+0 is a safer option now. Cheaters don't have patience for longer time controls. They need the instant gratification they crave. Also, the advancement of software extensions have made it easier to cheat at the fastest time controls. In my last 20 10+0 games, I've only encountered one cheater (not that the cheater got banned anyway)
Rapid has the most cheaters, it's easier to detect cheating in bullet than in rapid
I usually lose in 10 min games. Then they have time to check the engine.
Rapid is worse. I could beat 1300's, now I can't beat 400, the cheating is off the scale.
I only play 10 min and I can tell you it is absolutely full of cheaters. Even unrated.
@@MistThief True. But I still experiencce the 5 min as worse.
yeah ive noticed alot of cheaters and getting tired of it honestly
I used to play on the app a few years ago and quit abot a year back now after I started to notice a ton of cheaters who werent getting banned anymore. I just got back on and have already had 4 opponets resign midgame and have their accounts banned. I'd say its getting better with the bans, but 4 cheaters in about 10 games is disgusting. Just about everyone cheats now dont they?
The issue isnt with cheating all the time, its when people get into trouble, they'll use an engine to get out of it. Maybe they see an opening they've never seen before, so they quick open a book, or look online for the common variations of that opening and turn it into an open-notes test. It's noticeable in the lower levels when your opponent takes forever on the first few moves, and then plays rapid for the entire opening. I play certain odd variations expecting to throw off my opponents at my rating, and its amazing how many 1500's know the exact book opening for variations they've never seen in their online history. Those accounts seem to never get banned either. Only the fools who play the engine moves every time get banned.
Me too, I also noticed this when I play blitz or bullet like how they so fast in the middlegame and think like forever in the opening. I blame myself for being a bad player but when I think they are cheating they don't get banned like say about a month and I believe I was bad. 😅 I have faced it mostly in blitz and sometimes in bullet . Rapid is pretty ok
Rapid has more amateur cheaters using an engine they have open in another tab or on their phone. Blitz and bullet have cheaters using actual scripts that can play for them, draw arrows for the best move, and even automate intermittent cheating throughout the game to avoid bans.
It’s impossible that a person can move in 1 second per move , or if they never had to think more than even 5 seconds 😮
I don't understand how somebody can play an entire game with 0.2-0.5 seconds per move. Surely that's too fast to cheat, or is there some other method that I don't know about?
It is called premoving and in blitz games it is pretty common. Its better to do fast moves than good. Especially in opening.
@@EsoRimerCzno it's not premoving. It's called using a bot.
@@NotQuiteFirst bots
@@riccardozanoni2531 Oh right of course. I was imagining the technique where someone has a second screen following the game which they are referring to, something like that which would be very difficult to do with 1 second left
I'm trying to check time stamps of my previous games but they removed it already :(
I know trying to find the timestamps afterwards can be a bit tricky, but they're there somewhere. You might just have to go to the "correct" game page?
I couldn't 'agree with u more.But in daily games cheaters get banned sooner as if there is complaint they take it seriously.I play 5 mnts blitz and found from 1000 to 1400 they have the same standard.
I'm around 2050 and I know for a fact I was playing atleast 40% cheaters, always new accounts, nowadays I only play unranked as a guest and it's not any better but atleast I don't lose any elo. They really don't care as long as people keep paying to use their garbage site.
Oh, and Lichess falsely accused me of cheating so I won't play there anymore. Guess I'm fucked either way. Not that there aren't cheaters there aswell.
Guys How can u tach eithout getting banned
What to do if u get banned ?
If a cheater gets banned, they can make a new account in like 10 seconds.
Lichess is filled with cheaters too
Yes.
I can't even play. Anyone who has played a lot of chess can tell how obvious it is. Ive played a lot of games vs stockfish. Human games usually feel different than stockfish games. On lichess it always feels like stockfish, and the strategy becomes trying to bait your opponent into playing a human move and losing. A common thing that happens is when the opponent wins in a complicated game, and tries to convert an easy win it becomes obvious they can barely checkmate in a completely winning endgame on their own.
@Redmacthe1 I only play 3 min games, openings I really know well, and get tactical during the last min bc usually that's when cheaters will have to start playing due to time pressure.
Had no idea it was this bad. Was going to get my 3 check rating up over there but I might be second guessing now XD
I think the vast majority of 3 check players on chesscom are legitimate. I could say even 99% or more. But you'll probably find more quality players on lichess anyway. It might be hard to even find games, except for tournaments, but even there, they're mostly beginners who don't know theory.
Next example.blitz 5 mnts match. A vietnamese player rated 1630+-effcient cheater-won all his games and last one against a 1850 US player also a cheater.One of the best games ever watched-both built up vvv vvv formations of pawns in opp.color squares.The 1850 took his K to the a8 square playing black-in zig zag manner-not castled. I knew the one who tried to break through the pawn formation would lose,But with about 30 secs left the 1850 broke through on the a,b,c files and won the game with less than 20 seconds to spare.
I just don't get it....why? Id rather be a poor 1900 player, than a cheating 2200
because nobody wants to put in the work that it takes to be good at something. They think there's some sort of social award for being good at chess or something.
I come across cheaters almost every day, crazy how I beat one the other day and they accuse me of cheating lol
I just lost 2 games in a row from 2 different players. I got 90% accuracy in both my opponents 97+. I look at their profiles they have like 9 straight losers then they string together 97%+ games.
Lichess is filled with lots of cheaters
Lichess has less cheaters from my experience.
I think its just due to smaller pool of players. Also people don’t respect lichess elo rating as much as Cc, as well as Cc having far more users, and that causes Cc to have more cheaters.
Lichess has less cheaters, and ive been told its also more likely to detect cheating.
@@fintan9218 I've been noticing it a lot during openings. I've put some time into certain openings like the Ruy Lopez, Kings Indian Defense against 1. D4, and my main opening against E4 is the caro kann. I know quite a few variations that are pretty rare, but still work on high levels. On lichess, by move 3 or 4, my opponents who dont play those variations often usually get into some trouble. CC, I can put money on my opponent playing perfect book moves through 5-10 moves. I seriosuly doubt that every 1000 rated player on CC. knows every opening.
@@fintan9218 I mentioned the openings i like because there are some openings I struggle with in my prep. Like I love the ruy lopez, but if they wanna play the caro-kann im ready cause I play it with black. However, I dont do well against good sicilian players. I get smashed. I just havent put in the time on that opening like others. I've in recent years been focusing on some of my weaknesses, but i have them. for some reason, 1000 rated players on CC have no weakenesses in the opening.
It helps for instance, i play a lot of advanced caro-kanns, and i go into the bottvinik-carls defense. Its extremely rare as opposed to the main line. On lichess, about 95% of my games go the way i anticipate, they make mistakes. on CC. about 95% of the time my opponents still play the best move, and continue the book opening from there. That almost never happens to me on lichess.
But on cc in the top corner, it tells my opponent what opening and side variation im using DURING THE GAME!
You can also report for cheating which make it easier to ban then.
You think I would have made this video if "reporting" them did anything? Some accounts I've reported every couple of months with nothing happening, despite it being obvious.
I would like to see what it looks like from the cheaters perspective to achieve these flat move times.
How are they achieving it?
Why is this flying under the radar of cheat detection?
Wow! Just wow...
I cheat using a different engine than stockfish
It is terrible. I am not even that good (only 1300 rating) and even in this rating class i play games where my opponent has an accuracy of 93-95% at least 2 times in about 2 hours of playing.
high accuracy doesn't mean cheating , it's totally normal to have 97 accuracy at all ratings
There is money is selling your account...
I am an 800 player for true... When someone at my level goes 20 moves without any miss or blunder, and like you said... Look at their time remaining... 2:20 to my 1 min... especially after they lost a few pieces early... I just laugh and call them out...
Their favorite "thanks for the compliment"... Or "what do you mean?"
What are some of your go-to openings as an 800 rated player?
they could be smurfing, or maybe they just don't blunder, if you're 800 you're just incapable of catching cheaters, show your games to someone who's at least 2000
no cheaters on lichess?
Of course cheaters can be everywhere, but I definitely encountered way, way more on chesscom
@@AyrtonTwigglichess is atrocious. There's also plainly a lot of bots. Between bots and cheaters online chess is sadly pointless. May as well practice against stockfish.
wow ur right the person u accused are banned
Encourage the beautiful game not other things cheating fixing etc
Luckily I haven't played against much cheaters, but yeah its clear they are cheating
We stick to lichess
i think lichess is the worst
definitely not as bad but lag is still certainly a problem
I have been winning on time also
Why are you so surprised that your opponent plays too quickly if it is a bullet game?🙄 Speed is supposed to be the first thing that shows that the person is not a cheater actually
The suspicion arises from the flat move times across the board for each move.
Every move has such a similar or equal time that it's almost inhuman to accomplish such metronome like timing I think is what he's getting at.
Which is why I asked the question what does it look like to cheat in this manner from the cheaters perspective because it's almost like they're not even playing at all by the sound of it.
i think narodistky and hikaru and the only humans that can play a bullet game without thinking for more than a second
damn
damn
damn
If you want to make your video speak need captivating video titles like "how to beat cheaters" , or "how I beat cheaters" ... 🎉
Well, if you think you’ll escape from cheaters playing on lichess instead, you’ll be very quickly disappointed, it’s even worse there unfortunately. Life is life
Lichess isn't much better.
I've been playing on lichess too, and so far I haven't played a single cheater in tournaments. Or even in a long time, for that matter.
@@AyrtonTwigg You have played some.
@ayrton Twigg read all my comments
@@mychessvideos61 I'm sure I did, but it's not even close compared to chesscom. Just yesterday I pulled out my phone to play some games, and the 2nd bullet game I played was a cheater.
Ayrton, all these online platforms are overrun with cheaters. Lichess has many cheaters, too. Online chess really suffers from this garbage.