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Taking almost the same amount of time for every move is a clear indication of cheating. Taking 4 seconds to get the queen is extremely suspicious.
Not at all, maybe he noticed a mate next move and checked that it is the mate. I am always checking the next move, before making that obvious one
@@dmitripogosian5084well then why wouldn't he checkmate straight away then if he had already checked it?
@@dmitripogosian5084It seems suspicious bcoz of moves made prior and time used for them. Like every move he made looked like a 1 move calculation .Why take 4s to calculate mate and not play it instantly?
@@dmitripogosian5084 The next move took too long too
That is the only not sus thing. If you play on a toaster, it just sometimes takes time to let you pick your promoted piece. But the rest of the game speaks for itself.
98% accuracy but still he took him 4-5 seconds for Mate in 1 with the queen as the most of his moves it's little more than susspicious
maybe he was just turning on the rice cooker 😂
So did u learn that game? If yes, that's the lesson.
@@MarcoploTheTravellerwhat are you trying to say? The way you worded your statement doesn’t make any sense
@@davidshatto7604 yeah, I'm confused, maybe that's his goal after all
Asian joke
I love getting blasted throughout the whole game just to see my opponent struggle with ladder mate. Like 3500 elo moves all game long until they are up 10+ material. Then they cant even tie their shoes.
Out of curiousity, I have (several times) attempted to play with a similar time usage : for example, before the game I set rules for myself - no premoves, no thinking longer than five seconds, etc. It's almost impossible to play that consistently, even when you're trying to. There are always some moves where the take-back is obvious, and others that require more than five seconds of thought. I think that's one reason time usage is so obviously an indicator of cheating.
And that's fine, but you not going to find the best move every move, not even close.
@@EnduroNerd Okay, not sure how that's related. (I fail to find the best moves regardless of how much time I take.) My comment is about the extreme consistency of time usage by cheaters, which is difficult to emulate, whether or not you find the right moves.
@@RandomChessPersonit is the combination of things. Taking that amount of time consistently and finding the best moves along with taking that time for very obvious moves.
@@PSOnoni : Yes, obviously. That's what he says in the video. I was *adding* the observation that it's difficult (at least for me) to emulate the time usage factor, even when I try. I apologize if that's not clear from my initial comment.
@@RandomChessPersonLol he probably didnt read the last part of your comment XD
I am a ordering a rice cooker as we speak. That stuff does magic for your chess ELO.
Rice cookers are so obvious. Try something more imaginative. Maybe a Hibachi grill or a toaster oven. LOL
Ikr. My rating went up 5000 ELO after I ordered one. /j
Cheating Chess is atrocious & it's reached epidemic levels. Everyone who's ever beaten me was cheating. Every single one.
Haha, you're right, Cagnus Marlsen!
No ways, same here! So many cheaters these days.
Hi Magnus
Magsun Carlnes and Hikamura Nakuru are good
Bros salty he lost he’s calling people cheaters 💀
Another very suspect point is that human analysis is different from computer analysis. Even in standard games played by world champion level players, they play some good moves that stockfish will recognize as mistakes, because the stockfish's best moves may have a value that needs 10+ moves to exploit, which is far from human limits. But this person has never played any move that shows a mistake sign during the analysis
He needed to have time for rice cooking.
😂
Lots of rice was used for this batch of bs 🤣
What is with these rice cooking comments
@@justsaadunoyeah1234 Rice means cheating. Few months ago on live stream on this channel there was a dubious player, who explained his strange time allocation by rice cooking. You have an obvious move, but need your engine's help to find it, so you can't make it instantly, even if you have played as if you have planned that move ahead. Explanation: you were cooking rice.
I would suggest they use some metric to determine a trust rating, which could be placed next to the user name. That way you can decide whether you want to play against them or not.
Best to just delete the account altogether
What about separating players depending on trust rating (that is invisible to users)
so if someone is suspected of cheating they get matched against other cheaters.
It's amazing just how widespread cheating in games actually is. People look for an advantage in games and in sports. The people that cheat often justify it to themselves by claiming everyone else that beats them is cheating too so they need to do it to even the playing field.
Or just quit. What good is a win or an elo if you cheat? You still know suck and you can't beat your friends over the board. So just do something else.
Sounds like an addiction problem😮
And in most cases they are right. Don´t know about chess, but in FPS games usually more than 30% of all players do cheat.
Network lag can also do some black magic on the timer. I suffered a lot due to lagging from my side and not playing 2 min games or less at all.
It's the time management that make cheaters being caught.
This happened to me. Fortunatley, 98% accuracy is less common at 1200. But the fact remains that people want to cheat at chess shows how much perceived monetisation there is in it.
98% accuracy would probably be out of the question at 1200, as that level of accuracy is that of a bot.
@@johnb6723I’m 1150 and I’ve gotten a 95% and 97% accurate game before.
@@johnb6723 As Nelson indicated, your accuracy depends in part on your opponent. 1.g4 e5 2.f4 Qh4# get's Black 100%. If you're 1200 and played a lot of games, there's a good chance some opponent has made it easy for you to score 98%.
@@SwampCritter-df4od: It's one thing to have the occasional great game, but it's a COMPLETELY different thing for a low rated player to have LOTS of super accurate games. They're a low rated player due to deficiencies in part of their play.
I play the opening like a fish, because I don't care to study opening lines. I play the ending more like a master because I find learning the correct concepts and techniques for MANY types of endgames absolutely fascinating.
But presumably engines won't play like that.
I really get annoyed how people feel the need to cheat. They get nothing out of it, other than showing they can get away with it. Surely no one copies the computer and feels like they had success? So they may just enjoy ruining other people's joy? Strange and very sad.
He might have been checking his rice cooker
I checked out the first game you ever lost in the Rapid Rating Climb series and you explain these things there as well. Very clear indicators of something funky going on.
By the way, Is Kristin going to be making more videos in her series? We never got to see her win by checkmate!
Well done, Nelson. Thank you for sharing!
Most obvious cheater I came across was a 320 Elo who played a PERFECT Sicilian Najdorf, and later won the game by checkmate with zero blunders.
Wayyy too obvious
they might have just been a good player on a new account to troll
Their time usage gives it away. Needing 2-6 seconds each move, even obvious ones, and also difficult ones.
EDIT: You also confirmed it later in the video!
When I come across cheaters it feels like your out played the whole time. Every move u look for has been calculated and not way out. It's like every variation u do is losing. So the time thing makes perfect sence too thx for that.
That's what this game looked like to me: "calculated" is the right word.
So additional stats - I looked up the suspect. Within 30 days 568 games were played. All time they've played 584. On 9/26 they were rated 1838, but today they're 2274. I am like a 600 ELO scrub so I don't know if that's odd to anyone else, but that seems like an awful lot of games in a short amount of time jumping to crazy high ELO out of nowhere.
Yeah you’re right
To play devils advocate you said his account was new so it is possible he's a high rated player climbing quickly through the ranks. However, that mfer is a cheater 100% no doubt in my mind. Ive seen it before. They're not even smart enough to vary move times and use slightly dubious moves from time to time. I mean, youre cheating for effs sakes you can afford to make a bad move or two. 98% on an opposite side kings indian? Nahh not happening even at that level.
His account is from 2008 though ... wierd!
100% cheated in this game though..
@@Sixsoul That's what I don't understand. If I was to cheat, assuming I'd be using the latest Stockfish, I'd do it a lot more subtly. Like I'd use it only once every 2 or 3 moves, I wouldn't use it for obvious recaptures, etc. Which makes me wonder, maybe there are already a lot of cheaters who do do it more subtly...
The account is already closed.
espacially the ending gives it away. plays the optimal moves to mate you, but still needs 5 seconds to get the mate in 1
I mean, I’m 2000 rated and I would find it fast, but then spend like 5-10 seconds double and triple check it before playing it. Better be safe than sorry for those types of thing especially if you have the time imo. In all fairness, time usage in general was still very suspicious. I just wanted to point out that I don’t cheat and am moderately high rated and would still spend some time even if I wouls see the mate in 1 idea immediately.
Not naming and shaming them is partly why they will continue to cheat.
yeah you can easily find this dude on Nelsons account. Fun fact: the cheater lost against another cheater 🙂
yea, but unfortunately you can never trust certain people to not harass them.
The even time usage is because he is looking at the best moves on his chess engine on a phone or another monitor and then playing the move the engine recommends. Some cheaters will intentionally use more time because they want to make it look like they are thinking. Some will also intentionally play the 2nd or 3rd engine move or even an inaccuracy/mistake to make it look like they aren't cheating. Sometimes they play on their own for the first several moves but then switch to cheating when they think their position is worse.
Such no life's
Most of my “fast” moves are 2-3 seconds, but that’s because I usually play on my phone (and I usually play 10 minute) and by trying not to mis-tap it ends up a bit slower than most people. Though I’ll also have plenty of moves where it takes me longer to think.
I can't understand the motivation of cheaters. Yes, I can understand in tournaments with a monetary prize why you would cheat. But I cannot understand why you would cheat in meaningless games. How is that satisfying in any way?
To have an interesting game rather than finish it with a blunder on move 10 ? I often mentally beg my opponent to find the best continuation to explore the game further, rather than collapse and basically waste all the time I invested thinking. To blunder yourself, when there is still a fire in a game, is a waste as well. I find more troubling than cheating peoples preoccupation with a really meaningless rating, when you are not a professional for whom the rating is the currency. That is just pure vanity to the detriment of enjoyment of the game.
if all cheaters did was play tourney for money... it would be a insta ban
@@dmitripogosian5084 What is interesting about getting moves from a computer and playing them against a human?
@@PhenomenalChess Consistenly move after move - I do not see much interest. Occasional use to check if your thoughts are right - I can see the temptation
@@dmitripogosian5084 That makes sense. But I still won't feel nearly as satisfied with a win, knowing I got any kind of outside help. To each their own, I guess.
That guy is not a cheater! In fact i know the dude from the video! He's in my chess class.. as a matter a fact during that game we were on a videochat and the reason his time management was so weird was because during the game he was cooking rice! Leave britney alone
He had just been been studying that variation of the KID in your chess class, IIRC. The key move(s) where he defends against the pin and fork witht he bishop and knight is reminiscent of something that happens all the time in the French, which we had just gone over.
totally
Time usage is key to finding out if they are a cheater.
Ok what is this true or is this false
I have been feeling some of my opponents are getting help. Can’t say I have noticed anyone playing 98 accuracy, but lack of mistakes, blunders and miss seems odd at my level.
Maybe they have talent XD
They probably just underrated
It could be the time of day. I play well in the morning but can't stop blundering my pieces after a long day at work. If I had two accounts to play on at different times, they'd probably be a few hundred elo apart. You never know if someone is slumping or peaking to get to your level.
I don't really care if my opponent is a computer or a human as long as their rating is accurate, but the psychology of cheaters baffles me.
I suppose a computer scientist might find some satisfaction in coding a chess engine from scratch, but I suspect most cheaters are just warped egotists who are obsessed with "winning" but somehow still get that sense of satisfaction even when they let a computer play for them. I've never understood that.
Yes but you get weird games where they play like a beginner - then like an engine.
@@marcrob100 So?
@@FourthRoot "I don't really care if my opponent is a computer" - fine as long as you're happy with playing weird games
@@marcrob100 Would you object if a real person played weird?
@@FourthRoot Your point was "I don't really care if my opponent is a computer". Now what are you saying?: What if they are actually human?
And then there is me who reported my enemies if they are 100 higher rated than me
0:19 - Nelson - What's the theory behind Black allowing white to construct that pawn roller (c4/d4/e4) and cede control of the center? Thanks.
most of the moves in isolation look very natural. for me it's only really the savagery at the end of the game, and the time taken in the opening, that completely gives it away.
I had one game I had last week where I spent about 30-40 seconds assessing an extremely delicate position, eventually deciding on a move that sacrifices the queen. If my opponent doesn't take the queen, she continues to wreak havoc around the board and if he does, I have M3. My opponent took the queen and my next 3 moves took no more than 5 seconds. This was on a physical board, not a computer, so that time includes moving the pieces.
@@chenruijiexinminss4804Who asked you? I sure didn't, atleast the op has an interesting thing to share unlike you saying the same damn two words adding nothing of value whatsoever to the conversation, why because ur jealous?
@@chenruijiexinminss4804your so funny
*Consistent time usage is suspicious
*9. Backwards knight move to unblock the f pawn for f3 (not incriminating another small thing
But that depends on the player. I was a GREAT closed position player and often blundered in wild open positions with lots of tactics. But I could move knights around and apply pressure over time very well, for example.
I played the endgame VERY well generally, and was TERRIBLE in the opening. It was about personality and interest, NOT some basic thing about ability.
I think one needs to be VERY careful about assuming an X kind of move is a sign of cheating without a LOT of supporting evidence. And I hate cheating as much as anyone.
Will you ever bring the weekly quiz and stump the chump series back? I really loved those
Nelson said in a stream that weekly quiz videos took too long to make, so he stopped doing them and most likely won’t bring them back. About stump the chump, I have no idea
Before watching the end, I thought of the time between moves, Bb5 looks like a pc move, and d6 as an interjection seems like a computer move.
I agree completely, those are multiple red flags.
It's amazing hiow many players become world beaters (with zero blunders) when they are losing. I suspect a lot of people (if they are not using a bot) play on one device, input the moves on a 2nd device and whack the engine on when they are losing.
Most of the 800s I play get rated way over 1000 and I only get rated 800 and I lose more than I win. I have to play 1200 just to beat an 800 player, which is really getting me down. Getting fed up of reporting players and nothing happening.
Maybe instead of assuming many people who beat you are cheaters, you should work on improving.
If you report and nothing happens, then there's not enough OBJECTIVE evidence for actual cheating -- indicating you're likely imagining things -- if it happens often enough for you to complain about.
@@rogergeyer9851 stockfish rates me 800 to 900, yet I lose to 800s much more than half the time. That means a fair amount of them are cheating. I don't know who or why, all I know is the numbers don't add up.
I play for fun in my spare time and don't really care about getting better. Cheaters spoil the fun though, don't they?
@@riffrats7545
A lot of 800s are coming up and maybe higher rated. As u get closer to 1000 u find the games even out more. Some 800s can be very strong players that have only just started an account
@@riffrats7545 why would someone cheat just to be at 800 elo??
There is no prize money involve. I don't know why they cheat on us
my friend started cheating when he was 600, he wanted to get more elo, but he realized he wasn't really getting better, he was just copying stockfish moves
wow kudos to him that must take a genius to figure out bravo
@@yusufyusuf1998 okay
If they don't premove the most obvious moves but think 3-5 seconds then you know they don't know what they are doing and are just looking up the moves.
You're just guessing. Or they're careful. Or they're getting older and no longer feel comfortable insta-moving like when they were 30 or 40 years younger (that's me).
Now, I also don't play anything faster than 10 minute games since I'm slower, but the principle stands.
You CAN'T reasonably just ASSUME ONE factor means "X is a cheater". That's why there is a PROCESS including checking statistics BEFORE banning, etc.
A sad tale! Sorry to hear it.
cheaters when i introduce them to bullet games:
I just don't understand why anyone would cheat. What do you gain from it?
I guess I am naive. What benefit does a person get for cheating? If it is rating points, so what, is there a cash benefit or just being able to say my rating is high?
That's interesting, I had never considered the timing aspect before.
Whenever I learn a new opening, I would not get the right color for the opening, and even if I got the color my opponent would play some random variation that I dont even know which is really annoying, then after that some cheater would come in my games while Im trying to learn a new opening
That's partly why I like to play a beginner repertoire that can basically be forced every game. The London System as White, and then I play the Pirc Defense / King's Indian Defense as Black (they are almost identical with a slightly different move order).
White has very little control over what opening gets played. Unless you're playing against a friend or you're playing against a computer from a specific starting position, you can't control what opening you go into when you start out with e5.
Yeah. Chess would be a lot easier if your opponent cooperated with you. 8-)
What do they win by doing it? I mean the game and score yes but if they know its fake..,,arent they just cheating themselves? Or os there a monetary incentive?
I often take a few seconds for obvious moves in classical chess because I like more meditative gameplay. On the other hand, even I prefer to move faster if I pretend to blunder something. Also in a 3-min game every second is important.
Honestly though you should be spending time in classical chess to think through positions. If you think you have an obvious move you should still be looking for a better move (Unless you're in time trouble obviously, play to your means) as that's how you're going to be a stronger player. I feel that you should be comfortable trying to use as much of your time as possible in every single game. The smaller the chunk of your time that you used, the more resources you are wasting.
They cheat just as bad on lower elo chess the difference is they only need to cheat on maybe 8 moves to get a strong position in a middle game then once that's achieved, they go back to playing naturally. Very frustrating to deal with and difficult to prove.
It's a real sickener. I'm a beginner. I can beat a computer at 1800 ELO. I play the 1500 computer as regular exercise.
800elo players pull out unreal moves and beat me 50% of the time.
There are so many strong 800s and 900s atm. Where did they come from?
@@anamorfoplasis most 800s I play get rated way over 1000. Getting fed up of it!
I conceded to a woman I was dating a few times and dropped from 800ish down to 400ish. Currently 550 but it has been a hell of a grind back up. Harder than I remember 800 level being. I smash the 1300 bot, the 1500 bot kills me. lol
Not getting the Queen right away was the key for me
My coach always taught me as a kid - never rush obvious moves, that's how people blunder.
Ig it’s different at the 2000+ level but for me anything less than 10 seconds IS right away. I guess that’s why my blitz is over 400 points worse than my rapid (1550-1100) I have to look at the board and assess things every move or I make blunders
Timer shows It all, unless he is international GM.
it was clear after the first dozen moves, the timing is such an obvious giveaway
there is something demoralizing about losing so bad to someone, then to find out that you played stockfish
There's something demoralizing about cheaters in general. I didn't mind working hard for my grades in college (I got great grades by work ethic and persistence, NOT genius). Then I'd learn lots of people were cheating re using old tests (professors should change the tests), copying others' work, etc.
Did the account get banned?
I just checked your account (history of games) and for all viewers here: Yes. That cheater's account is blocked.
I agree, cheating is getting out of hand. I just played 3 cheaters in a row. 😑
But that chess was speaking for itself.
Another way to tell if someone is cheating is if they keep seemingly sacrificing pieces for no 'apparent' reasons, often pieces that humans normally wouldn't be sacrificing, such as a queen. A computer can see way more possibilities than a human can and so it can tell if sacrificing a piece is going to give the player the upperhand.
Edit: Not talking about blunders or if the opponent had an actual strategy, so this alone doesn't mean that someone is cheating. Just combine it with the other factors.
Forget those people that diss you for calling out cheaters. You've put blood sweat and tears to get where you are. Of course you're going to get annoyed at someone who is basically stealing your job and has put no effort into it.
No matter what the sport, profession or activity there will be participants that will not participate within the established rules. I cheer those who demonstrate good sportsmanship both in winning and in defeat. Rule breakers get lots of press and are quickly forgotten. Good sportsmanship is remembered and retold in some instances for decades. I choose to be a participant that others enjoy being with.
Now I know a way to cheat unsuspected.
Use Stockfish, but vary the time spent on each move by stalling deliberately in complicated moments and blitzing the instantly obvious moves (and spending more seconds later to properly input the moves in Stockfish).
Great videos, Nelson.
But hey, I miss your series about Bobby Fisherman ! No more episodes...
It's still not quite that simple. At the rate chess engines have progressed, there can be a very noticable difference between what a natural human looking move, and a computer looking move might be in all sorts of positions. An engine like Stockfish might recommend a move or series of moves that isn't natural or intuitive in the slightest and requires perfect accuracy to justify, whereas a human would play something that might be slightly worse but makes more sense for a normal chess player.
Even if you're varying time spent on your moves, it's not just about how long you take for your moves but what moves you are actually playing.
In a Vacuum one might get away with a really nice sequence here and there, but overtime patterns emerge and one can see a pattern of chess that looks suspiciously like an engine playing.
I was up an exchange on someone at the 900 level and I had a winning position I had one move to set up checkmate but my opponent spent 2 minutes waiting and then played the only best move to stop it. I then struggled to find the mate and then suddenly he was moving quickly after spending two minutes (setting up the pieces in an engine) and then I got checkmated at the back against a bishop king and rook. Yep.
Pisses me off. I got banned for cheating. How come this guy still gets to play? 😢
you're probably low level, its easy to tell cheating when someone at 600 elo is playing near 100% accuracy, he is a lot higher rated so while it's still noticeable its way harder to tell if it's good gameplay or cheating, either way there's no real reason to cheat you deserve to be pissed of after ruining other people's games
I played a guy at a 1000 today and lost 3-0. In both of the game i lost a rook and he managed to equalizer in both games. The first one I lost because of a thumslip. I aslo played the fried liver, and he played queen to d2 giving up his. An he still managed to win. He even told me, now I gave my rook! An I'm sure quedn to d2 is a mistake. But he came up with some really difficult moves in a couple of seconds. So what do you guys ghink? Do you think he cheated?
Can anyone please explain what the point of cheating is? It doesn't improve your skills, its not fun (imo) so whats the point?!
Heh heh! As a cheater I like playing with your mind, & I impress girls with my chess rating. You'll never find & ban me I'm far too smart!
@@philsmith4218 if you were really that "smart" you wouldn't need to cheat. Go get a life
I agree -- opponent cheated.
If he cheated Nelson, I'm sure he must be cheating virtually every other game too. The site should be able to sniff it out.
What's the point of cheating in chess? Just to get a higher rating without learning anything?
You can tell he's just checking his rice cooker before every move.
Those cheaters are probably bots rather than humans.
When they spend 3 seconds on the first 4 moves of the opening i just resign, and report for cheating at this point
Reasonable, since NO ONE COULD POSSIBLY know the first 3 or 4 moves of an opening. /s
I knew mediocre players who knew 20 moves of their favorite openings along certain lines -- but they were terrible in the ending, etc.
@@rogergeyer9851 exactly, either you know it, or you are dobious and you spend at least 10 seconds
@@rogergeyer9851 yeah but it's the timing. Either you know it and almost premove, or you start thinking. I know too 10-12 moves of certain openings, and then i get blasted 70% of the times lol
What is 6...Nc6?! - I have never seen that move played in the position where you played it - Is that line part of your King's Indian course? 🤔
Maybe they just like cooking rice?
I don't understand the motivation for cheating. It's a game to challenge the intellect. Cheating destroys the pleasure.
I've noticed that new accounts made between 2020 to 2023 are playing like they have played for years, not all of them of course but quite a few.
Didnt know you could report for stalling. Some dude prevented me from winning gold in a tournament by letting the clock run to zero and a complete lost position. I would've reported his ass lol
Cheaters can't really make instamoves, nor moves in a fraction of a second. They also don't know when a position warrants spending more time thinking. Thus, especially in a blitz game when all moves take 2-4 seconds, no instamoves, no 0.5-second moves, no 10-second moves, it's almost certain it's a cheater. No 2000+ rated player plays like that. Heck, no 1200+ rated player plays like that.
I lost 120 points after I got cheated the last time. I tilt every time. Just tired of that crap.
Unless ELO ratings changed completely since 1995 or so, you can't lose over 30 points in one game, even if you lose to someone rated 400 or more points lower than you (once you have an established rating, vs. being a provisionally rated player).
Why just make things up? It's pretty ironic doing that when complaining about cheaters, BTW.
After the loss I played about 35 more games and lost almost all of them. I was 1540 in a rapid tournament . I played a person that was an 800 elo. The game was lost in 12 moves. 99% accuracy.
Do know what being tilted is dummy?
I spotted the cheating move right away. It was at 1:00 when the black pawn took the white pawn. Even the computer was confused (see the ?)
It's beyond me why anyone cheats in casual play, if it's for at least money fine. What on earth do you gain by cheating in a random casual game 😐😐
I just checked and the guy is actually banned now
Isn't Nc6 too soon? I think black needs the e7 square after the d5 push... As white, when black plays Nc6 before e5, I just play d5 and get a nice game.
Thanks for taking the “High Road” and not posting their username. I appreciate your positive nature.
I found the cheater's account, he cheats often, not every game.
It becomes pretty obvious that he cheated once you see that half the games he destroys the opponent and the other half he plays like garbage. I just watched a game of his and he got back rank mated lmfao
Looks like to Me that He was using a Chess program because he do not stop to figure out what He was doing, He just moved pieces.
Right. Real human players need to pause and consider strategy sometimes. They might make several rapid moves in a row if things go as expected, but THEN they need to check on things, figure things out again, etc.
Plus, things often don't go just as planned, so then trying to rapidly move is very risky.
The game looked okay until the very end,
I don’t understand why it’s so rampant.
To be fair, you did make a few bad moves.
he's already banned
That's really suspicious ,considering how well the moves are,you can conclude it is most likely be planned before hand.BUT that guy still spend few second every single moves,too consistant to not doubt it.
I can on some level understand why people are trying to cheat in tournaments with prize money or something like that, but I'll just never understand why would anybody cheat in a random internet game with no stakes.
For their own satisfaction. Seeing "You win" gives them pleasure
I don't understand why people need to cheat. I have lost some very amazing games and learned so much I don't mind losing that much because I always enjoy the game and especially what I learned in each loss.
For me that's why I valued every serious tournament game, win, lose, draw, or lose horribly to super strong player.
I always learned something from ALL of them, except beating some newbie paired up with me round one. And then I would offer to go over the game with them and try to perhaps give them a couple ideas, a little encouragement, etc. (I certainly started out as a very weak and nervous tournament player, and got better partly because folks were nice enough to show me ideas).
@@rogergeyer9851 your awesome
5:16 Your time managemant also was,1,2,3 4 seconds,the most you spent is 7 seconds,that would prove both of you cheated
But his moves were worse
I play people often that score 95+ on games.
Not worse than I think, It's exactly as prevalent as I think it is it is very common, and I believe there is no proper way to punish them enough atm.
I'm actually 2800 rated but stuck at 1650 because every other person I play against is cheating. I do my due diligence and report them, of course.
Every NM IM and GM that does rating speedruns is technically cheating. Because they pose as 500, 1000, 1500 etc rated players when they are all way above 2000.
Their opponents lose elo but thats somehow fine.
Opponents get refunded back the points on Nelson’s speed run account, though.