Mechanic Cheated: Counterfeit/Fake Parts! Steering Gear Destroying Itself!
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Maybe you will be invited to the BBK factory soon. I have had to go through three steering box's to get one that works.
Need to reimburse the labor to replace their crap. Rebuilder/manufacturer should pay.
Every item these days seems to come with a risk or defect if you look for it...The sad irony is..., 35 years ago you never heard of bad parts and defects, everyone took pride in their work or so they claimed...... ..,35 years ago was the modern day version of the dark ages, the closest thing to the internet was "Dear Abby"....
Cool Lobotomy Ray, that steering box was someone's idea of putting lipstick on a pig , the clicking was most likely gear lash, somebody could have easily painted a worn out steering box and returned it for full refund or it was bench tested, it wasn't making a noise because it wasn't under load so they scuffed it and gave it a lick of paint, sold it for new or it was just a crappy reman job mistaken for new, anything and all is possible, ............. Good video, thank god for the internet.
Before the DePride movement everything was better.@@IR-nq4qv
I have never had a good part from BBK. Always something and at least 1 exchange. I have now gone back to using only OEM parts the warranty is better on almost all of the OEM too.
I have purchased BBK stuff in the past... none of it lasted more than a week. That end-plate snap ring should have a small hole on housing.. insert tiny screwdriver to push ring ... then pry snap ring out. Those bearing sometimes are 2 different size diameters. Install large-small-large-small .... till you run out of bearings. This particular box is just junk to start with so return it !
That is why the other steering box was laughing... It knew the "New one" won't be OK.... So wait... Dave is clairvoyant!!!!
“I will not be mocked”
🤣
I was also wondered what the old one was laughing at.
Dave really is clairvoyant!!! Called it lolol
Why be a subscriber he isn't paying us. This is free schooling
Welcome to the world of rebuilt parts this is not uncommon that is why we rebuild our own parts when we are able to get the parts
Yes, but this was SUPPOSED TO BE a NEW part, not rebuilt...
@@Calango741 I wasn't Shir of the part of being new I was under belief it was rebuilt if the case this highly irresponsible by the builder and compensate the shop
@@davidcraven277 Well, Ray did say it appeared to have been a new part, sealed etc, but when put in, it immediately made noise and upon inspection looked to have been rebuilt, and likely poorly at that.
Let me 1st say I'm old. lol But I do remember in Highschool shop class having to rebuild Steering boxes and even brake cylinders. Early on when "they" started sending out and stocking rebuilt parts the quality control took a downhill slide quickly. Then we learned the folks doing the "rebuild" NEVER needed to know what they were working on or what it did or even how. All I can offer is Good Luck with the very disposable industry where quality takes a back seat to quantity. Good Video sir Ray.
Great days when high school had auto shop. Not available now in most places. What you to go to expensive private places
Sad that we've come so far only to become a "throw away" society. Shame really.
But...but...you can learn about how to change your identity, and what bathroom to use, and how everyone is racist!@@roberthicks9191
@@Ham68229 There was even a song way back in like the 70's or 80's that had a line about living in a world of "disposable emotions". There's some perspective for ya...
All that work for nothing. Hope you got the best of the next one
I used to work at auto parts stores. It's amazing the amount of time and effort people will put in to clean a used part to get their money back, saying "they didn't need it". I took back two rear wheel cylinders that looked brand new. Sometime later I was showing someone how the insides looked. Took off the boots of these particular cylinders and all this old fluid just came out of it. Outside was absolutely spotless.
no, this is a rebuilt unit , not someone who did that to get money back. I have a video showing you a brand new rebuilt out of the box being all sloppy and wore out. Same vehicule
MFRs could slow that down a lot simply by stamping a serial number into the body of the part.
In order to return it the serial numbers have to match up.
Not many willing to bother or have the skill to scrape off an old serial number and forge in a new one just to save some bucks.
I just replaced my rear calipers THREE TIMES ! The supplier expected me to pay the difference between the original cost and the replacement. It did not end well. At all
There is always somebody trying to make a quick buck , by being deceitful and a lying toad . With returned items that are supposed to be correct and fit for purpose .
I try to go OEM, new if I can. Have had bad luck with a lot of the rebuilt stuff out there, some last some do not!
The case has a hole for a punch to press the snap ring enabling a small pry bar to remove it, no destruction required.
As long as you have x-ray eyes to see through the inch thick paint and know where to poke.
Do you know everything about a Bedford RLC Light Recovery or the 1944 version of DUKW.
Best not throw stones only to find you live in a glasshouse.
he was explaining how it comes apart. you are the one throwing stones@@dukwdriver2909
@@dukwdriver2909he is correct doubt he was throwing stone just given advise how the correct method is.
Yep... About 3/64
It was destroyed in the box from the factory.
The balls go in the worm gear. That's how lead screws work on machine tools. Only a guess, but one of the balls was not assembled into the worm gear and was loose and got between the end of the worm gear and the cap. As the mechanism was turned back and forth the ball would push on the end of the worm and that would push it into the cap.
That's what I thought as well.
I rebuilt a gearbox years ago lost a couple of bearings and the same thing happened along with general turning problems. Eventualy having to get another unit.
That may very well be true, but this was supposed to be a NEW part, NOT a rebuilt one, and it was obviously NOT NEW.
Yes, that's a recirculating ball steering box. It works exactly the same as a ball screw on machine tools.
The sheet metal tube that was bolted to the gear he removed should have been pulled off first, then turn the housing upside down and turn the input shaft completely one direction and then all the way in the other direction. That will make the balls come out of the worm onto the bench, then the gear he knocked out with the hammer will just fall out of the housing. Also, at one time back in the past, the order the balls are put back in the worm used to matter and probably still does, there were x amount of silver balls, and the same amount of charcoal colored balls. You alternate colors as you feed them back in while turning the input shaft. Then when the worm is full, the rest of the balls go in the sheet metal tube making sure you keep the alternating order of colors the same as what you ended up with when the worm was full. Use grease to hold the balls in the sheet metal tube while you bolt that back in.
Ya know Ray,
Technically Dave called it from the previous video unknowingly that it wasn't going to work (due to the lack of a missing happy face lol)
I appreciate this video because it shows that not all new parts are what they say they are. Thanks for the effort and the revealing video on these scammers.
The aviation industry had a problem with that stuff. Many parts have a time limit or a number of cycles. Once you hit that limit the part must be replaced. Some unscrupulous folks would do dumpster diving retrieve the parts, clean them, repaint them and sell them as new. Accidents were caused by these a-holes.
@@robertthegrape2192 I worked at an aircraft parts warehouse and when we got parts in for replacement we were not allowed to bin them in their received condition. We had to inspect each part for abnormal wear and then dispose of them. To dispose of them meant we had to destroy each and every part, down to the smallest individual component, manually. Had a whole process and checklist for it. Mostly I saw manifolds and pistons, which were run through a drill press and then hydraulic anvil.
Today “new” means painted black- guaranteed to be crappy painted black.
No other guarantees
@@amzarnacht6710manifolds don’t wear out tho.
Unless it’s bad design
Just because it's new doesn't mean it's GOOD!
I've said that in our shop for many many years....
I’m wondering how many shops would just let go. I have a f350 6.7 (still under warranty) in the shop now for same problem they don’t seem to want to fix. Ford corporate is now involved. Great job and thank goodness there are still shops that care.
I really hate defected rebuilt parts. At times with certain vehicles you can't avoid using them because no one have OEM or new parts, then when this happens it really sucks and I felt I had wasted a lot of energy and time and now it's back to square one. This is when attitude and patience comes into play and just move on. Your attitude towards this junk rebuilt steering box is really good compared to a lot of other mechanics, great job of showing us what was inside of this unit.
Lately, I'd been watching manufacturing and rebuilding/recycling in Pakistan. I watched how they built brake shoes, pads, rotors, rebuilt motors, etc. They replace the broke part, then stick it back together. Interesting to watch and that's how it's done everywhere. Like a company a few years ago I had to rebuild my transmission. It burned out again in 8 months. When I took it to a GOOD transmission shop he said that they only replaced 1st and 2nd gear packs and 3rd, 4th, and 5th was still OEM. Even the torque converter and pump was the same,, and it was filled with particles of metal as if it was stuck together with the new parts and not even cleaned out. Transmission fluid was even original and STANK !!!. Typical rebuild places for major parts like that steering gear. Replace what's broke or bad, stick in a new part, put it back together. Why I don't buy rebuilt parts. New parts aren't much better. Quality control and bad business practices abound in all sectors of the market these days. No one cares about quality anymore, just the almighty dollar bill. Why I watch you. YOU CARE. You and a few repair shops are an anomaly in this world. Stay that way, please. Take care.
I'm sorry, but if the transmission was disassembled enough to replace gear packs (clutches and steels), the fluid was far from the original.
@@jeggleston1651 Nope. They saved it and put it back in to save money on their bottom line. Even admitted they did when confronted. They are no longer in business, thankfully. Sorry people.
Going back to your video where you did a semi-rant about parts mark-ups, customer-supplied parts, etc: This is a prime example of why things are the way they are. You are responsible to either get compensation from the parts house or eat the cost, AND you’re out the labor. Had the customer supplied the part, you could charge again for the labor and the customer would have to pay again for the part.
I had a starter with the gear worn down. I replaced it with a Chinese one that I bought "from the usual scumbags" (as AVE would say). and it failed in the exact same way. Upon diagnosing it, we found that it was also worn down, however, it appeared to be new. We returned to the store to check another and it was also worn down. We concluded that the Chinese had reverse engineered a worn down starter.. so the gear teeth were manufactured brand new, in a fully used up state. Fun stuff.
When the soviets reverse engineered the B29 bomber, they faithfully installed a panel to nowhere. The plane they copied had been damaged and quickly put back in service by placing a patch that looked like an inspection panel instead of doing a complete repair which would have taken a longer time. I am not surprised the Chinese did similar
I bet somebody rattle canned and put their old broken part in the box and returned it. Unfortunately, I’ve opened quite a few boxes with returned junk in it from big box stores
Yup. My thoughts right away. Parts washer, brake clean, dipped in paint bucket, took back to store and said "Customer declined repair" or " Wrong part" . Restocked and put beside repackaged/swapped out Dorman aluminium Chrysler oil filter assembly and sent off to Raymond.
Yeah, probably not wrong. I cant imagine a reputable company spending a bad pad part like this. Seeing the same shit in computer parts too
Exactly my thought too.
More people wanting something for nothing....
As Eric O says. NEW only means "never ever worked"
Curious what your parts supplier said about this. Thanks for another great video, Ray!
Yes, I, too, am curious about that.
Time to find a better part wholestrealer...
@@ginog5037 anyone can have a bad day, what matters is how they respond to it.
“Do you want another one”😂😂😂
Is what they’d say
"Can't warranty that, it's been tampered with"
Good morning crew, You can now share your own reeeeeeees with the parts house lol. Have a great rest of the day everyone. Thanks for posting Ray!
Thank you for the autopsy. Now the million dollar question is "who is going to pay for the new part and work time"? For me, neither you or the customer. And funny thing is that Dave was right when he said it wouldn't fit. You better ask him for the lottery numbers, you might just get lucky. Have a nice day Ray, Lauren and Dave.
We had to rebuild power and manual steering boxes in tech school as part of our final grade. Feeding the bearings back into the piston/gear assembly was the hardest thing to do. To get the end cap off, there's a hole in the case to insert a punch to push the snap ring out of its groove.
The rebuilder's liberal use of paint probably obliterated any chance of finding that hole.
@@MonkeyJedi99I'm pretty sure you can see it at about 1:55, but if you don't know to look for it, you wouldn't know to use it
This should be against the law. A person's life depends on this part functioning to a standard. To mascarade a faulty unit as new is despicable. Bravo to you for standing tall for your customer!
It is. Fraud and or larceny. Good luck finding the actual perpetrator.
The parts availability and condition is not like it used to be 20 years ago. Great job Ray for your curiosity of why?? It failed. It’s definitely a eye opener ✌️🇺🇸
Hate it when they call junk parts new by painting it and fixing it a little, I try my best to keep Oem to avoid doing the work more times than needed.
Always opt for the OEM mfr's part FIRST whenever available. It will save you time, money and aspirin.
Most likely a returned part where someone "switched" out the new part and just spray painted their old part after cleaning it with break cleaner. Then returned, saying it didn't fit.
Parts distributor just put it on the shelf and resold as new (or rebuilt).
50 yrs ago in UK it was called a 'paraffin service', i.e. wash the dirty old part and re -sell it. Bought a starter motor 'reconditioned'😇and it caught fire on turning the key!
@@Jay.Kellett That's more likely blameable than some factory switcheroo. It makes a lot of sense. Crooks are everywhere these days. You can hardly walk in the woods without encountering unethicalness or criminalness. And the parts business was lazy checking it out.
At least now, they can't continue that thread of deceit.
Alternators for darn sure!@@williampope3531
Good catch, Ray. I wonder how many other techs would have caught that and explored the way you did? You are an asset to the community.
Wow, any other shop probably wouldn't have caught that and let the owner deal with it. Great catch Ray.
Nothing says fun like having to do it twice.. bummer.. good vids.. have a great day….✌️
im replacing those rebuilts unit on my truck, under warranty every 20 000km. They are all sloppy. I'm saving money for a PSC
Gotta respect your dedication to ensuring only good parts make it!
Doodly do do. Have a great day Ray Ray
Good morning Mr Ray hope you have a great day, and sorry about having to do a job twice due to cheap junk. You can't even get paid for this, but it makes a great video for us to learn 😊
This is why I rebuild my own parts. It helps to know how to actually disassemble the steering gear and what the parts are called as well!
The absolute state of aftermarket parts right there.
Now we know why OEM parts cost what they do, and 9 times out of 10 are worth it in the long run -- provided the parts catalog doesn't list them as "obsolete."
a little welding, grinding and paint and they'll never know you cut it apart
i suspect we'll hear of an update on this
The paint brush glob job finish was suspect on ‘new’ unit. Great video!
I've rebuilt a couple of Saginaw steering boxes and they are actually a simple, great and somewhat sturdy design in my opinion! And at least they can be rebuilt as a DIY.
The big end cap is held in by that snap ring indeed. First give the cap a tap with a rubber mallet, just to shift it a little deeper and free the snap ring. Locate the hole on the edge of the housing, through which you can push a small punch, which will dislodge the snap ring. Now you can easily pry the snap ring out.
The most tedious of the entire rebuild is getting the ball bearings in correctly and in sequence. There are an equal number of 2 sizes, one set darker grey and the other set "nice and shiny". These are 2 slightly different sizes and need to be alternated when inserting/installing. Best practice is to use grease to stick the bearings in place, in particular in the 2 halve end caps.
Possibly something went wrong there and one of the bearing balls was either missing, got dislodged due to improper install or was simply dropped inside the housing and not in the "channel" where it's supposed to go...
The algorithm has once again been upto it's old tricks not bothering to send out notifications. Nice to get my required dose of the rainman today, I've been feeling the absence these past few days.
Its very common with alternator and starters that old ones are just washed and resprayed and sold as rebuilds
What a cool autopsy Ray!! Thank you for that!!
Thanks for this. I've always wanted to take apart one of those recirculating-ball steering gears.
Whenever I buy remanufactured parts with the signature black paint on them it is always a crap shoot whether they will be DOA. I had a reman Cardone power steering rack with excessive slop in the gears it made an awful clunk when turning under load with the wheels on the ground. At least your rack is accessible mine was under the exhaust and the lines were pretty much right up against the cross member.
I went through 2 Ford C-II power steering pumps with black paint on them and both whined like crazy (way louder than the typical Ford pump whine) even after bleeding with the factory vacuum tool. Finally bought a Motorcraft reman it had no black paint anywhere on it. It literally looked brand new installed it and no noise.
If you can afford it I'd go with an OEM reman over a parts store reman any day.
I was trained on overhauling those steering boxes a few decades ago. That snap ring isn't difficult if the area was cleaned up and you realized it was a spiral type. There isn't much that was salvageable on the one you tore apart. Maybe the case.
he vented out his anger by cutting it.
good saying Ray "if its new doesn't mean it works" . i traveled from our farm to adelaide city 150kms to buy a new sunbeam electric fry pan i got it home and it didn't work,when i buy something new now i make the sales ppl plug it in and show me it works cheers mate
I would guess that what happened is someone bought the remanufactured part and installed it and cleaned and painted the old part and put it back in the box and returned it as not needed and got their money back.
Then it was put back on the shelf and was sold as a rebuilt part. I have seen this with car parts before. Alternators, starters, power steering pumps and water pumps are a good target for this scam also. Many auto parts stores don't check or care.
Been doing my own mechanic work 40 years. Seen junk sold as new many times. Very common with the big box junk yards...aka discount parts houses.
Ray, what you're calling A "wormgear" is actually a BALL SCREW. All those ball bearing sit in the helical groove in the shaft & as it rotates it moves the piston. What you were hearing was probably bind and blown out clearances in the ball screw.
Possibly in the world of rebuilt parts something like this happens. I hope this is an exception rather than the rule. And I hope whomever supplied the part stands behind it and covers the labor & part to make it right. Thanks for the "autopsy" of the steering box. Interesting, indeed.
Awesome taking one for the team Ray! 👏
Im glad you took it apart and ended up scrapping it. This ensures another Mechanic and customer doesnt get screwed like you did.
I like how you look into bad parts to show how "new" parts are not always new or good. I hope the company sees this and gets a new one back to you at no cost, plus the extra cost of replacing it again.
Love the autopsy videos!
And yet ANOTHER informative autopsy !!! Great to see the inner workings of automotive components.
Minute 2:24 the hole in the case is visible on the left side of the steering box. The one to insert a punch for the removal of the snap ring. Its small 3/32" or so, but its there. Tap in an appropriate sized punch and then get behind the snap ring with a small screw driver and pry it out. Box was junk, but cutting it up was hard to watch. Did you toss it out then and just lose the core charge? I think there are two sizes of ball bearings as well. At least there are in the gm boxes i have worked on. Oh well... onward and upward! Keep up the content!
that is shocking. especially so when it's such a critical safety related item. I bet the supplying company will have something to say about it.
Thanks for the autopsy video Ray, its always fun to dissect bad parts and find out what the cause was.
Well done Ray
This is a problem in aviation as well. Pilot writes up a radio, the mechanic swaps the radios around, and they find that it is indeed bad. Get a new one out of the box and it's broken as well~
Great video, and so typical these days!
Last few words of wisdom "Unbelievable"
I hope you got a credit for the part and labor. If the dealer got ripped off he also needs to be reimbursed.
I think you should show this video to the parts suppliers, you had something similar a few weeks back when what was in the box was not what was on the box, think is was the oil cooler upgrade you did??… some one had swapped the parts over and sent a crap one back. Some one needs to pay you for doing this twice! It’s not your fault the part is crap. Great video as always Ray. 😊
GOOD job Ray very interesting autopsy
It's always good to see Ray doing his mechanic stuff, but it's a real treat when some strange, bizarre happening, garbage company or (potentially) unscrupulous individual activates his Diagnostician Skills
It's like someone had a busted unit, cleaned it up a bit, resprayed it. Ordered a new one from there but sent it back (as maybe a wrong part) but put the broken one in the packaging and kept the good one, thus getting a new part free!
Hi Ray! Thanks for another awesome video. Have a great day.
Oh boy does that bring back memories! During my time as a tech for the local government repairing police and civilian vehicles, we had contracts with local "repair" and supply outfits for things like carb rebuilds (the days of electronic carbs), alternators, transmissions, and radiators. It was not uncommon the get a "rebuilt" part where they simply sprayed silver paint over the grease and and dirt coating the part and stuck it in a plastic bag and shipped it back to us. You might speculate on who the business owners were friends and donors with.
quite a bit of play on the end of that pitman shaft too. At least you caught it before it killed someone.
It would be interesting to me to know the outcome of your findings. Great vid, stay safe.
Love this one. Thanks ... new is sometimes not 'new'. Goodness!
All I can say is WOW!!!
That big star nut around the sector shaft, is how you disassemble the gear. It locks the collar jam nut. Then the hole assembly comes out the other end.
Goooood morning! Hope you have a wonderful day, Ray! ❤
That is why I watch you. That was excellent. Thanks.
I sandblasted new track chains for a D8 cat dozer, it had partially burnt, new track pads, new interior, a few new hoses and wires, new seat and a fresh coat of cat paint, they loaded it on the lowbed before the paint was even dry!! Mechanics were betting on wether there would be any paint left by the time it got to the buyer!
This company was known for this type of "overhaul"
I really enjoy these autopsy videos , more please .
thats some lovely hackmanship! i love it
Such butchery to disassemble, when paint stripper and patience and rust dissolver and endless hours could have discovered, junk. So much obvious wear on the parts is should never have been remanufactured let alone sold as new.
Fake parts can ruin a genuine mechanic's reputation so easily.
Good catch.
Keep scaring the fake part market that they can be exposed.
Love your autopsies.
Fake parts have drawn Ray to the Dark Side and he had no recoarse so he had to choose violence. Welcome to the Dark Side Ray. 😎
another outstanding video ray your the best but the most important thing is to have yourself a great day
Sorry to see the part being bad .I've had bad luck with fuel pumps on chevy silverado 6.0 . Also alternators and starters. Im trying to buy denso now. So far they been ok.If Im not in a hurry.I have an excellent rebuilder for alternators and starters nearby.
Great autopsy!!
I changed out a water pump in my wife's 2001 Malibu . 5 years later the water pump bearings froze up and the engine over heated and destroyed the engine. I got the water pump from an auto parts store.
I have never had a water pump fail in just 5 years. That's why I buy all my repair parts now from the car dealer parts department.
Nowadays you can't even buy sparkplug that are not Chi-Com counterfeits. Good video Ray.
I would guess it was a take the new rebuild out and take the one that was making noise that was being replaced cleaned up and slap a fresh coat of paint on it and return it.
Or someone who was on rate and needed a raise so clean, paint and re-box in new box send it down the line. Not good, someone sooner or later going to get hurt or worse.
You are a great and honest mechanic, Ray and do your profession proud.
Hi Ray, the worm gear holds those balls in place which helps to move the whole steering gear, it's called a recirculating ball steering gear, and from your diagnostic experience, it looks like the worm gear is so worn that it was riding up around the the balls and the whole piston assembly was sliding over and hitting the end plate, hence all the clicks, clacky noise you heard!! I still have a Chilton auto/truck repair book, hardback that my dad used back in the day that shows this type of steering gear in detail and has all the information on how to rebuild such unit back to brand new status !!, whoever "rebuilt " this steering box was really lazy, and the part could have caused a very serious crash!!, get on the parts dealer that sold you this, show them this video! Great job !
HOLY COW!! All that internal rust is crazy!
Hey Ray and crew, I think you nailed it on the head Ray, someone ordered a new box, cleaned and painted the old used box and returned it saying they didn’t need it for some reason. That might explain the heavy black paint 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
3 minutes in and you can sense the irritation. Frankly Ray, I don't blame you
Good boat anchor!
This is what some shops do with reman engines. They claim replacement of hard and soft parts but in reality they bought a cheap high mileage engine from a junkyard and cleaned it up and paint
The part that most call a "worm gear" is actually a "lead screw". The popping noise most commonly comes from the ball bearings sliding/skidding instead of rolling due to wear or defects... What a crappy piece!
Yep, I purchased a pump for my jaguar from them and also had issues. Looked inside and it was all old damaged parts... not an easy job on a jag at all so I was pissed but the oem pump was 800bucks.... I got another reman from lares and it's been solid for 2 years so far
Reminds me of a gear box I bought from AZ. It had been cleaned and painted, not rebuilt. Driving straight was okay. Turning either way there was LOTS of slop between the gears. The faster you went the more the truck wandered = dangerous.
Do everyone a favor, Ray, and tell us where you ordered this part from. Retail/wholesale merchant and manufacturer or supplier.
I got a blue top gear box and it has been great
Ray removing that snap ring like an AvE unboxing video.
thick, black paint....makes it the part it aint. had a similar issue with a ps pump. installed it, bled the system, started it and immediately started to whine. had power steering but whined constantly. glad napa has lifetime warranty on some of their parts. SAVE YOUR RECEIPTS!!!! makes life easier when crap like this happens. i dont blame napa, i blame someone who did the ol switch-a-roo. theres a special place in hell for theives.
i bet the clicky poppy noise was the worn gear slipping. didnt look like there was much left of the worm gear.
thanks, ray for the field trip thru a steering gear case.
Thanks Ray for exposing this rubbish, I think the rust is bad but as for the worn bits I think that's absolutely disgusting.
I'm just a garage mechanic and I have gotten used parts from the store several times. Guys will put the new parts on, throw the old stuff in the box and return them to the store. They tell them "These aren't the right parts." and the clerk give them a refund and throws the box back on the shelf. The ones I got were covered in dirty grease. The one you got was cleaned up and rattle canned, just in case they took a peek.
The gear was not the problem, the mounting bolts through the frame is where the noise was from.