Using an Expression Pedal together with MIDI - Morningstar MIDI Controller
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- How to use a standard expression pedal with a Morningstar MIDI controller to unlock the next level of control for your rig. You can simultaneously control multiple pedals and effect parameters all with the same expression pedal. Now you are no longer limited to controlling only one device with your expression pedal.
Morningstar Engineering: www.morningstar.io - Hudba
There are a lot of MIDI controllers out there that look nice on a pedalboard, but the care spent on addressing usability in your software sets the Morningstar controllers apart.
Thanks Brett! We appreciate that
Yeah, I’ve barely scratched the surface on my MC6 yet but it feels like the sky is the limit, you can configure it to do almost anything and it usually isn’t hard to find how to do what you’re looking for.
The Morningstar MC8 was not a cheap purchase for me (I was so eager for one I had to pay shipping to the UK!), but one of the best I have ever made. This is due in large part to the excellent support staff, who have solved any issue I had in a prompt and clear manner, and also due to the excellent software integration, and these fantastic tutorials! I've owned it for over a year now, and I'm still learning new things, and Morningstar are still adding regular firmware and software updates, allowing me to get more and more out of this amazing little beast. I'm awaiting the delivery of an expression pedal today that I'll be using to control Ableton and my HX Stomp through the MC8, and in just a few minutes I've learned everything I need. Thank you Morningstar for making the headache of MIDI a pleasure again!
Love it, this is exactly what I bought my MC8 for!
This Midi Controller is a dream - well done Job - the Midi Dictionary is so useful as well - Even the new Quad Cortex Midi Parameter are implemented -
The MC8 is every bit as amazing as my HX Stomp and two Eventide H9s! Been a guitar player for 40+ years and I am having a BLAST learning how to do MIDI; your videos are so well done and cover all of the questions I've had so far! You've even opened my eyes to things I didn't know the MC8 would do! Fantastic device! Loving mine!
That cable slam... Nice touch.
Ben, I love your videos, btw. Fantastic.
Was it a slam? I thought maybe it was reverse motion with an added sound effect. I could be wrong…
Great video! Can’t wait for more content!
Your CZcams tutorials convinced me to get an MC8, and today I finally ordered mine
the MC6/8 and a ML5 is a must have for my schmidt array SA 250 board, it's the perfect MIDI/ loop controller for that board. Okay, it's on the list of purchases that got to be done so when touring can be done again i got everything in order.
Your videos are stellar, concise, informative, and SO RIDICULOUSLY helpful!
Thank you.
I don't have the Morningstar. I have the MS-3, and I'm trying desperately to figure out how to assign a user-saved preset in the H9 that is NOT in the Program Receive Map. That has 98 presets and is straightforward. But assigning the saved custom preset to MIDI...my head exploded.
I've seen your other video, and I'm trying, but so far I'm not getting it.
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3:54... thank you.. this is all i really need.
Awesome
For some reason moving the expression pedal doesn't activate it on the midi editor for me. I've added port 4 as expression on the editor, calibrated it, rebooted, and it shows up on the MC6 Pro screen going from 0-100 but it never shows up on the editor like you see at 1:34. What do you think the issue is?
Go to the editor settings tab in the editor, and then enable load preset data on switch press
Yes, we updated the Editor since this video was released. You now have to select the Exp pedal you want to edit from the right column. Or else you can enable the Editor Setting that allows you to load preset/exp data upon pressing a switch or moving an exp pedal. However, that will cause certain functions not to work until you disconnect from the Editor.
You should do a video showing how to control it using the dunlop mini with MC3 and MC6.
Hi! It works the same way on all our controllers, aside from the slight difference in menu navigation and layout on the controllers themselves. We also explain it in each of our product manuals: www.morningstarfx.com/manuals
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Very interesting. I suppose that with the H9 one could set any preset to act as a volume pedal, right? I know that the Morningstart MC-8 probably does this already, I'm just not aware.
Looking forward to that next video you mention at the very end. When do you expect it to be up?
Yes I'm very curious about that as well. I just started diving into using an expression pedal with my MC6 and can't really seem to get the Select Expression message to work.
Hi. New videos's been up for 2 weeks now. Cheers!
Morningstar Engineering Thank you!
Great video! Would it be possible to engineer a way to turn on/off expression CC messages for the midi controller on a given preset? I am using a volume pedal in conjunction as an expression pedal with a bypass looper. That way it allows me to bypass my volume pedal making it purely for expression purposes
Yes we have exactly that feature, shown in this video: czcams.com/video/m6rMVbxCoa4/video.html
Great video! How do you connect all 3 via MIDI? Are u using 3 midi cables, In-Out, from eachother thru MC6?
Hi Alberto, they are all connected using MIDI in and thru. Check out this guide on how to setup a MIDI pedalboard if you’re interested: www.morningstarfx.com/post/setting-up-a-midi-pedalboard Cheers!
Can you guys engineer an expression pedal that can control multiple analog pedals and convert to a digital signal if desired? I will buy one
If you want to control different parameters with the same expression pedal, you can use the 'Select Expression Message' function to change what your expression pedal controls on the fly. Video here: czcams.com/video/m6rMVbxCoa4/video.html
Can I use Yamaha FC-9 volume pedal with this?
@@misterblister899 Hi. As as long as your exp pedal matches the requirements mentioned in the video it will work. It has to be TRS and ideally have a 10-20k ohm pot resistance. We were not able to find the FC9 tech specs online.
czcams.com/video/m6rMVbxCoa4/video.html&ab_channel=MorningstarEngineering here is the correct link
I'm really curious about using the OBNE MTET with this type of set-up. Would love to have one expression pedal, but can have it set to control different pedals that don't have midi.
Would it be possible for my non-midi pedals to set-up the expression pedal with my morningstar device, to send midi info to the MTET, and that to the non-midi pedals? I think it should work just fine, but wanting to make sure I'm not missing anything.
This controller is really great ! I get it to control Meris Enzo & Lvx pedals and I would like to change presets on both pedals at the same time and control different parameters with the expression pedal at each preset change. Is this possible ?
So it would seem that by changing presets I can also control different parameters with the expression pedal right ?
For example, preset 1 sounds like I personally decided on Enzo and lvx and the expression pedal for example changes the filter on the Lvx and delay time on Enzo, while with preset 2 it sounds obviously different and the expression pedal changes the feedback on pedal 1 and resonance on pedal 2. Do you think that's possible?
Thanks again !!
Hi. Yes, that is possible. These videos will show you how to achieve what you stated: czcams.com/video/JIzCEYvwt1M/video.html and czcams.com/video/m6rMVbxCoa4/video.html
This is probably obvious, but as a novice to MIDI I need some guidance. Must I also connect my individual pedals' expression ports to the Morningstar MC6 Pro omniports for functionality with my Lehle dual expression, or will the Lehle's connection to my MC6 Pro omniport (in tandem with the individual pedals already connected via midi) suffice for expression usage? I think one omniport used to connect my expression pedal to the controller--while connected to my pedals via MIDI--should work fine. What Morningstar have done with MIDI is honestly blowing my mind. The opportunities for experimentation and control are incredible. Thanks.
You are right. One Omniport connected to your expression pedal while the MC6 PRO is connected to your pedals via MIDI.
Great video. I love my MC6 Po so far, but my expression pedal (Lehle Dual Expression) doesn't show up on the screen, yet it is connected via trs and the omniports are set to expression. Can someone help me with that?
Firmware is updated as well and the MC6 Pro is displaying that it's receiving input from the Expression Pedal. It just doesn't show up on the screen. :(
@@JohnGarnerMusic I have the same problem. It seems like this video has an older editor or something. I wish they would make new videos for the MC6 Pro. Did you ever get it to work? -P
If I’m ONLY using HX Stomp with MC6, am I better off hooking my EXP to Stomp or to MC6?? Pros and cons? Or doesn’t matter?
We aren't very familiar with direct expression control on the Stomp. With MIDI, you should be able to have more custom mappings if you wish to have simultaneous parameter control. You can also have one exp pedal perform different functions at any one time if you like. Explained here: czcams.com/video/m6rMVbxCoa4/video.htmlsi=lv47pX4472JPMR_c
I want to use am expression pedal to control parameters in my synth pedal... without controlling the amp pedal that comes before it in the midi chain.
Yes, you can do that. With different MIDI channels, you can choose which devices you want to control.
Is the Boss VE500 in your Morningstar MIDI dictionary?
Hi. On the VE500, CC numbers user assignable to each function you want to control. Therefore there there is no need for it to be in the MIDI Dictionary.
Thats great - what board is that all mounted on?
No board. The pedals were just set on a table. The Timeline and Stomp had a couple of small boxes below them to elevate them. Cheers!
@@MorningstarEngineering ha so it was, I didn't look close enough but the size of that layout is great!
hi guys, I have a question, I can use my dvp4 as expression and volume at the same time?
Hi. That is more a DVP4 question. After quick google search, it seems that the answer is yes: www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/dunlop-dvp-3-4-owners-can-they-do-volume-and-expression-at-the-same-time.2133977/
i have a question regarding a pretty specific setup i'm trying to achieve on an MC3.
is it possible to create a bank and have let's say preset C button obsolete and just named something like "polymoon expsn" and then be able to scroll through the individual knob functions of the polymoon with preset buttons A and B and have their respective short names displayed in the center bottom of the MC3 display as i scroll through them and be able to access them with my expression pedal when they're active?
Hi. We've replied your email and are pasting the response here too for public knowledge. What you mentioned is possible. You will need to use a combination of the Select Expression Message feature (czcams.com/video/JIzCEYvwt1M/video.html) and the Message Scroll feature (czcams.com/video/VtSx68vfjS8/video.html) to achieve what you want. So what you would do is have many Select Expression Message messages on one switch, and have release actions assigned to them all. Then you can use the Message Scroll feature to scroll through each of them and the message numbers 1, 2, 3 and so on displayed on the screen. Cheers!
Is there a way to set expression pedal CC messages globally? I want to use an expression pedal on my MC6 Exp 1 input to control a volume block on my HX Stomp, but I don't want to have to configure the expression pedal CC messages on each MC6 preset.
Hi. You can copy the expression preset and triple click ‘Paste’ on the editor to paste to all banks. You can also copy and hold down the ‘Paste’ switch on the controller itself to paste to all banks.
Can this be done with the MC3? And I assume if a pedal is bypassed the EXP message won't cause it to activate automatically?
Hi. Yes, expression pedal functionality works the same across all our MIDI controllers. Moving and expression pedal will not engage/bypass a pedal. But if you want to engage/bypass a pedal using your Expression pedal, you can use the Toe Down or Heel Down CC message types to do so. We will make a video on that soon.
Can this be done with all the mc models?
Yes that's right!
are these saved per bank? On my controller I couldn't find the expression message presets I made until I started looking through different banks. Is this designed so that in bank 1 Exp Message 1 can control a specific CC action and in bank 2 Exp Message 1 can control a completely different CC message?
Hi! Yes, expression presets are saved per bank. What you stated is correct. And if you want to send different expression messages for each switch preset, you can use the Select Expression Message feature demonstrated in this video - czcams.com/video/m6rMVbxCoa4/video.html
Would it be possible to use expression over Midi with an H9 and easily switch between expression and volume with the MC6 or MC3, while keeping trails? On the H9, if I assign a global parameter to have expression control input or output volume, you lose expression parameters within the presets. You have to dig back into the general settings to change that. Too inconvenient. Now, if you assign expression to input volume within an H9 preset itself, then the problem is you still have expression control when you only want volume control.
Hi. Please send us an email to help@morningstarfx.com. We provide technical support from there. A service ticket will be created for you. Cheers!
Did you figure this out?
@@jmd12331 I did. I was extremely easy on the MC8. It's just a matter of mapping the expression pedal to the input volume parameter on the H9. So it cuts out input, but lets trails go through. Then with a button on the h9, I switch to the CC that controls the expression input. and voila, control of volume and expression with a single pedal. the only caveat is that you need neutral patch on the h9 just for volume. I use on of the EQ patches, in flat-eq, so I switch the H9 to that in order to use it as volume.
I plugged my expression pedal i can see on the screen that EXP1 value change accordigly to what i set the Exp pedal to but on the editor when i move it it doesn't show up on the screen i couldn't find anyway to configure exp messages
Hi. With the new Editor, you need to click on the exp pedal you want to edit from the right column
@@MorningstarEngineering Thank you i managed to get to work but i was really bumped. I thought we could have 4 expressions per Preset not per Bank.I already thought about how to design my setup this way. I do twist a lot of knobs and would like to use to expression pedals to free my hands for the guitar playing. do you think you can add this in future updates?
@@ammartaibi2623 You actually can choose which expression pedal messages you want to send depending on which switch preset you activate. We made a video explaining that here: czcams.com/video/m6rMVbxCoa4/video.htmlsi=pdCeQZO6sqzZ-obM
@@MorningstarEngineering This is happening to me . With the new MC6Pro. I cannot find the “Expression CC” action in any of the menus. please Help. I’m using a Chase Bliss EXP. It is shown moving the percentages on the screen
@JorgeLFajardoG You need to select the expression preset from the right column on the Editor first.
is it possible to change how expression pedals work and what do they control per preset basis?
Yes, we made a video about that too: czcams.com/video/m6rMVbxCoa4/video.htmlsi=qWOfIf0IZN5kjLTl
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Can I use the other three 1/4” outs to send CV to other destinations? If so, can I edit this CV or choose different waveforms?
Ahhh.. looks like they are ‘IN’ only. Bummer..
Ultimately if a person could use the 5-Pin out to send MIDI expression data on multiple channels, and configure the 1/4” jacks to control gear via analogue expression... all from the single input pedal... THAT’s the kind of flexibility we need.
@@beyondthegong The Omniports are not inputs only. They also function as MIDI outputs if you wish. But they are not designed to function as CV outputs. For more information on the Omniports, please visit our website www.morningstarfx.com/mc8-midi-controller
@@MorningstarEngineering Yes, I see that now. Thanks for the response. It seems like no one is making the perfect mix of analogue & digital. The MC8 looks great for what it does. It just doesn’t do what some of us are after.
My Mission L6 expression pedal isn't reading correctly on my MC8. Running 3.74 because i cant figure out the firmware updater? I calibrated it and tried the sensitivity but it reads either 0 or 100% and nothing in between. My omniports are set to expression and using a brand new TRS cable (Works when directly connected to HX Stomp) any suggestions would be great
If it is wired for Line6 then it is not compatible as the wiring for Line6 is different.
@@MorningstarEngineering thank you I figured out it’s TS not TRS ex pedal. Is there an editor firmware updater that will work with non 64 bit windows? Won’t let me install the firmware updater
Can i use "Expression 1" for different midi channels/cc:s in different presets? or is the Exp 1 settings global?
Hi. Expression pedal settings are unique per bank. You can also use the Select Expression Message feature if you want your expression pedal to perform different functions. We show you how here: czcams.com/video/m6rMVbxCoa4/video.html
@@MorningstarEngineering awesome! i had missed that tutorial!! thanks
0:41 How do you did this, so accurate
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I believe the video is reversed :)
On the video (1:35) it shows the expression configuration page is activated by pressing on the expression pedal itself. This does not happen for me. My MC8 screen shows that the expression pedal was moved and the omniport configuration in the editor is set to expression pedal, but nothing happens in the editor. Can you help ?
You can either select the expression preset you want to edit on the sidebar navigation, or go to the editor settings tab and enable the "load data on switch press" setting.
Thank you for asking this question, I ran into the same thing!
Can the MC6 control more than 3 devices with 1 expression pedal? Also, how does the cabling work?
Yes, you surely can. Just add as many expression CC messages as you want to be sent when you move the expression pedal.
@@MorningstarEngineering that’s great! Can it also control one device at a time with 3 different footswitches on MC6?
@@aaronpaulfrancis74 Yes, you can use the Select Expression message to enable/disable expression messages with each foot switch. We explained that in this video: czcams.com/video/m6rMVbxCoa4/video.htmlsi=JSNUWzD5OUfh_ftS
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My toe down position isn't 127. Both toe down and heel down show 0 when I calibrate the exp pedal. Any thoughts?
That is fine and is what calibration is for. It is to re-set the 0 and 127 positions. Please send us an email at ‘help@morningstarfx.com’ if you require further assistance. We provide support from there. A service ticket will be created for you and we will be able to follow up easily.
@@MorningstarEngineering I wasn't using a stereo cable so I'm guessing that was the problem. Appreciate the response!!
is it possible to control 2 different plugins with midi?
Hi. Do you mean 2 software plugins in your DAW? It is possible. You need to set each MIDI track in your DAW to respond to a different MIDI channel each. You can then control them independently.
@@MorningstarEngineering oh I see, thanks for answering. But running plugins outside a daw like standalone there's no chance to choose between 2 for instance?
Sorry for my lack of knowledge, I'm new to it in general
@@yow_shadow That depends on whether your plugins allow you to assign them to receive MIDI on different channels
Sold out :( When will ie be back
All our products are in stock now.
@@MorningstarEngineering Perfect I just order it thanks you
I can't select messages on my MC
Hi! Please send us an email at ‘help@morningstarfx.com’. We provide support from there. A service ticket will be created for you and we will be able to follow up easily.
I need to see you guys do this stuff with midi keyboards. You missing a whole market by not advertising this with midi keyboards.
For example a person maybe playing virtual organ and by using multiple 61 midi keyboards, and they want to control the volume or both however
to achieve such a thing one would have to be connected to and external midi device, neither of the midi keyboards and then would have to be able to send multiple midi
channels and midi CC to control the volume on both midi boards. I believe your product does this but there is no true indication because you don't market to keyboard players, most of your marketing is isolated to only guitar players. Please fix this!