Pausing Breaks Mario Kart 64
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Chapters:
00:00 - Intro
00:45 - The Greg Ihnatenko Story
01:43 - Explanation of the 0"00 glitch
04:40 - Use of lag frame for FS flap 4"24
06:30 - Effect of pausing
09:01 - New Frappe Snowland shortcuts
12:00 - Lap timer glitch through pausing
12:50 - Lakitu effect extension
15:06 - Will this be allowed?
16:32 - Biggest reveal of the video
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The community has agreed without much debate to disallow the use of pausing to abuse OoB detection and extend the Lakitu effect for Time Trials competition. For RTA Grand Prix mode speedruns like All Cups and 100%, it is allowed. The 4"24 Frappe Snowland SC flap does not involve pausing and is therefore allowed for Time Trials. Beck Abney already has a 4"25. There could be some side leaderboard for IL times with pausing, but it won't be on the official Mario Kart 64 Time Trials leaderboards.
Also, about flashing lights: most of the flashes from heavy use of pausing occur during these periods:
- 7:15 to 7:50
- 12:35 to 12:42
- 13:35 to 13:45
- 14:07 to 14:25
- 15:30 to 16:30
- 17:08 to 17:20
If you have photosensitivity of some kind, be mindful of these sections.
Awesome!
As usual, I really enjoyed working on this video with you, Bismuth. Let's do it again some time :)
You're a legend
I was firmly on the side of no pausing RTA until you explained how it would affect the most prestigious category in the game.
@@weatherton It's the legend himself
As a programmer, the thought of an entire community QA testing my code 25 years after I've forgotten about it is terrifying.
first we break your game and then we break your heart
The only community members that are 'QA testing' this code, are the ones who absolutely love that code and just want to know every single thing about it that they can.
I think if anyone ever does this with my own code, I would feel honored.
They're not bugs, they're advanced mechanics you put in for dedicated players to find.
@@gizmoduuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu2773 I dunno, if I made a game and it still brought people enjoyment 25 years later I'd be pretty overjoyed.
@@Tynach To the outsider, that code is a labor of love, revered by all.
To the programmer, it is the echoes of the screams of the damned.
Really hoping for an all trees tas at a gdq now
Frappe Snowland might be harsh on the eyes lol
@@Bismuth9 I think most of the entire run would be a photosensitive nightmare. You probably wouldn't see it for that reason, as insane as it would be - it's the same reason why I love some of the Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga TAS runs, but can't watch them.
@@Bismuth9 maybe the TAS video can be edited to remove the flashing
@@RobotProctor TAS is usually done live on hardware at GDQ. I imagine a hacked ROM that disables the pause screen could be used, but at that point you might as well just remove OoB detection entirely and explain why.
@@Zeuskabob1 Maybe they could use a ROM hack that just changes the visuals of the pause screen, so that it doesn't dim the screen and therefore doesn't cause flashing? Something that makes the "pause" effect more subtle to reduce flashing but still makes it clear that you're pausing and un-pausing. Just an idea.
Fastest lap: 0'00'01
"Still room for improvement."
Can still shave off a couple of nanoseconds
Todd Roger's actually got a 0.00 by shifting into second before the green. The tapes were destroyed tho
@@martymcfly88mph35 And he could do it again at any day. ...but not right now. He's busy.
In 20 years from now, every record in every lap will be a 0’00’00 and we’ll be measuring the time in frames.
Shave off excactly 1 tenth of a frame
When he pulled out that All Trees part at the end that hit different
I literally dropped what I was holding at that part.
For a split second I thought "that exists?" but then I remembered Blew Yourself and Zelda item% and and it didn't surprise me.
@@HappyBeezerStudios *Blue yourself, not BLEW yourself. They have 2 VERY different meanings.
A “Dramatic Reenactment” is probably the best thing anyone covering speed-running can do when no footage of a run exists.
More bugs for the list: Over 2 decades later, Mario Kart 64 QA testers felt a sudden pinch as Sakaguchi's spirit chastises them for releasing a game below the Nintendo quality standards
That’s basically every early N64 game, let’s be real.
LOL
12:22 'two laps to end on the same input frame"
When finishing a lap in 1 frame is just not good enough anymore…
I can't express how happy I am to see a new game mechanic explanation from you with your personal touch of piano!
There is something so satisfying about seeing a fast lap get solved. not just brought to the edge of human ability but a TAS going yes we figured out how to finish the lap in one frame
"sadly, ghost data is incompatible with... pausing" it's real unlikely they saw this specific usecase, more likely it just caused desyncs in testing, but the weird interactions with input frames is probably why they disabled that
"pausing breaks Mario Kart 64" has the same energy as "X crashes Paper Mario"
Pausing Mario Kart 64 crashes Paper Mario.
@@renakunisaki You know what, this could probably somehow work. I wouldn't be surprised at this point.
@@emmahansen4858 if we somehow found a way to trick mariokart 64 into writing data to an expansion pak, then also find a way to do arbitrary code execution for a stop n' swap with a paper mario 64 cart, THEN we could theoretically make mariokart crash paper mario
there is another N64 racing game called Beetle Adventure Racing, and in that community we have also had occurrences of a 0:00.00 time glitch, but for the whole race, not just the lap. however it only displays briefly, and then in the game records it actually seems to **add** ~5 seconds to whatever the time would have been, essentially penalizing you. we still dont know what causes it to this day. the game has a dynamic framerate, not fixed (on console the highest you ever really see is 50 fps or so, depending on whats rendered).
Whoa, Beetle Adventure Racing. I remember renting that game from Blockbuster after reading about it in Nintendo Power. Now that's a nostalgia trip.
Sounds like an obscured hidden gem. Damn.
I have/had Beetle Adventure Racing for years but never played it much. Maybe it'd be fun to try that out one day?
OMG! Long time fan! I love your "Let's break super mario world" series!
Oh hey! I remember renting that. Wasn't there a battle vs. mode or something?
wow. i didn't expect another bismuth video so soon after abc part 4
A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one!
I would slap tf out you for disrespecting bismuth
Godtier work ethic
I can't wait for TAS seizure% where they race every GP course with frame perfect pauses to get the fastest 0.00.00 times on all laps on all races
I didn't know there was a MK64 equivalent to the SM64 "all signs" category before this video lol
This whole video I was like "wow who did this music?" and was pleasantly surprised to see in the credits that it was you. Great work on the video and the music!
4:00, when Toad stops smiling
It's these sorts of details, dude. These are the ones.
LMAO Bismuth putting in an inhuman amount of effort into every video as always
This channel and its amazing comprehensive content is one of my favorite things to watch hands down. The visual aids and step-by-step explanations are always carefully done and help this stuff makes sense to a non-techie like me. The piano covers just get me every time, they're such a perfect personal touch. Please keep up the good work!
This is one of the best traits of the hobby. A mystery 22 years old. New discoveries a generation after the game’s release.
Sure, it take popularity to draw people to a game and discover these things - but the idea that discoveries like this are waiting still after decades in almost any game is why speedrunning is always so exciting
Why did I cry when you talked about all trees...when I didn't even knew it was a thing !!? Man, this is absolutely insane, I love it !
Because Bismuth's piano music can make anyone feel emotionally involved and sentimental about absolutely anything.
The solution to the issue of rulings (as with most new potentially-contentious glitch discoveries) should just be "Make a new speedrun category."
That's sort-of true. The question in basically which category people want to pay attention to. And for that question, it seems to be important whether you add new restrictions to the old category and make a new category without these restrictions. Or whether you make a new category with the restrictions, and leave the old one unrestricted.
Objectively both approaches are equivalent. But humans seem to care about the difference.
@ I've felt for a while that most games shouldn't have a single speedrun category that is considered the "main" or "definitive" category.
gamebreakingbug%
@@Sylocat It makes a lot of sense insofar as human nature and casual observers are concerned. Most people heavily interested in speedrunning a specific game will likely know many (if not all) of the different categories and their idiosyncrasies, and probably switch from time to time to keep things interesting; OoT is a great example. Unfair as it may seem, the average person isn't going to care and just wants to see the game get completed as fast as possible in a way that they see as "playing the game" i.e. something equivalent to any% no major glitches. This is why you still see some comments on e.g. zfg1's runs that utilize ACE or SRM saying things like "cheater" or "hacked game". A lot of people just aren't that knowledgeable, nor should they really be expected to be; they just want to see a game - likely one from their childhood - get completed extremely fast whilst conforming to some arbitrary ruleset they themselves have decided. In other words, there currently is - and almost certainly always will be - a large gulf between runners and the majority of people who consume said runs. It's less a matter of someone "deciding" which is the "main" category; that's just how it naturally tends to arise for obvious reasons.
Same goes for how the average person only knows the top runners and would struggle to name a single glitch hunter for most games even though the WR runs wouldn't be possible without them. It's not fair, but it makes sense nonetheless. The average Joe couldn't care less who XxSupahK00pahSt0mpah93xX is, regardless of how integral their contributions are to the game's WR via their 200+ 20-second clips from their small CZcams channel. Thankfully glitch hunters tend to be a modest and humble bunch :)
Also, sometimes things really are just very contentious to the point that slapping a new category doesn't suffice - simply "sweeping it under a new rug" if you will. I am reminded of the elastic band stuff regarding OoT's WR.
@@GuyDude-hk8uy The "average Joe" doesn't follow speedruns at all, and thusly wouldn't care either way how many fine-grained speedrun categories any game has separate leaderboards for.
Aside from the fantastic content of these videos, I want to point out that the editing and graphics are some of the best I've seen. They really make these complex topics easier to understand, and look wonderful throughout the video.
Man, I noticed that toad's face changed at 3:59 and I wanna hug him so bad right now.
I really like how much work you put into showing frame data
Aparently changing weapons now crashes GTA V, so kudos to this 25 years old game for the stability, pausing only partially breaks some features.
I...did not know you could destroy the trees with a star.
I knew... I have discovered this on my own, lol!
@@alisiaale565 how?
@@wolfetteplays8894, well, I did discover it by accident. Basically, I remember once I was playing a normal match of Mario Kart 64 on Koopa Troopa Beach. And remember how there are some palm trees and a waterfall at some point in the course? Well, I remember I got a star and accidentally rammed into the palm trees with the star active. When I saw the palm trees getting destroyed, it felt so satisfying that I decided to see if it works with other types of trees or even with cactuses or Piranha Plants (in Mario Raceway). And it did work! But I thought everyone already knew about that mechanic. 🤔 I didn't know this mechanic was so obscure!
These videos are gonna go down to history with the same prestige as pannenkoeks. Every single one is so well made and informative and scientific its difficult to even consider they are about video games. This kind of thing is the pinnacle of human behavior and curiosity imo.
If I could show an alien speices what "humans" are like I would show them the eiffel tower, Pyramids of Giza, computers and this.
Well that was amazing. I've heard about Mario Kart 64 shortcuts from Summoning Salt's videos, but I've never heard about glitches related to pausing, or the 0:00 lap, so thank you for covering it in this video!
Also, I appreciate you not being afraid to upload a "non-ABC History" video, in addition to being uploaded so shortly after Part 4.
7:17 Gives a new meaning to "Every Frame a Pause" (EFAP)
Lol
9:34: "Now, don't blink!"
9:35: *I blink*
9:36: *I missed it*
have i heard of this glitch? nope
have i every tried glitching in mariocart? nope
have i even played mariocart? nope
do i have any interest in ever playing mariocart? nope
am i going to sit here with my dinner and watch the whole video from beginning to end without tabbing away? you better believe it!
Finally, the mushroom Kingdom can support deforestation.
OMG for over 20 years I've wondered why you cant save replays if you pause or hit the walls too much. This must be it. I never thought I'd know ever know why.
Note: With PAL versions of the game, the framerates are 25 and 50 frames per second.
Damn, now I wanna watch all trees!
Deforestation is not a joke people! 😤🤣
Bismuth videos keep getting better … Explanations we’re insightful, concepts were fascinating and the Piano was on point!
It's not the only one that has a FLAP only shortcut in the whole series, since in Wii, there's an ultra shortcut that needs a cannon ball to land on the track and it takes minutes to happen
EDIT: Apparently he said 64 specifically, though I didn't hear that
Yeah in mario kart Wii there’s countless shortcuts and strategies that can only be used or are only faster in flap runs
He said Mario Kart 64 specifically not the entire series
I thought that was a joke, especially since he had literally just said that the fake 0 second lap on Frappe Snowland was only useful for flap and not 3-lap
This adds MK64 to the list of games where pausing is game breaking or controversial. In Minecraft, pausing can be used to lower your in game timer, which led to Brentilda's IGT being over 90 seconds faster than his RTA. In Red Balls 2 and 3, a glitch where you jump and then pause the game a couple frames after said jump can cause you to effectively triple your jump height, creating massive skips throughout both speedruns.
to add to this there is Super Mario Sunshine, where pausing changes the quarter frame that some physics calculations are calculated on, leading to certain clips using fruit or sewer jumps on Yoshi requiring pausing to work
tloz wind waker though
Pausing in Minecraft doesn't lower your in-game timer... it pauses it.
Also in red ball 1 pausing enables the spike glitch.
Pause jumping in Portal 2
Trees out of bounds before: Haha, can't touch me! Daaa da da da...
Trees out of bounds now: Sir, we have a problem.
9:34 i like the wfrr 0.5a reference
7:13 should be a flashing light warning here. I'm not epileptic but my eyes are sensitive. Loving the video so far tho, good to know pausing breaks yet another mario game.
There's already an epilepsy warning at the beginning of the video but doing it at specific times too would be good too
There was a warning at the start of the vid that there would be flashing
There's a flashing lights warning at the beginning of the video. While watching the Premiere, I did find that the flashing was a bit more annoying than it was during editing. Overall I tried to slow down the clips where pause is spammed to avoid rapid blinking (it flashes about 2-5 times per second as opposed to 10+).
@@Bismuth9 It's helpful to have another warning shortly before the flashing lights actually start. Thank you, by the way. I'm not epileptic myself, but the people who are certainly appreciate the fact that you care. Someone invent a time machine so we can tell video game and anime makers in the 80s and 90s to tone the flashing lights down. Things such as getting a triforce piece in The Legend of Zelda are really obnoxious.
@@RandomPerson964 I don't understand it; to an epileptic person, such flashes are dangerous. To a non-epileptic though, it's not like they're fun to look at, they're really unpleasant, so why was it so common?
Bismuth should teach a college course on video game speed run history.
Very beautiful video that finally solves Greg’s zero seconds lap time, thank you for the throughly explanation!
I remember back then when Greg set it and nobody had a clue at what was going on and I’m glad to see that there was no way back then to reverse engineer it with what we knew 😁
It’s beautiful to see mysteries being solved 25 (or so) years later, I’m so happy I’ve been a part of this community since (and especially) its birth!
I think that if pausing to enable glitches is allowed, (I'm of the mind that this is against the spirit of it) RTA times should be used for runs that use pausing to remove the advantage of the clock being paused.
Agreed. I would also have separate categories for pause-less vs. pause-using runs.
i think that if you're not in the community your thoughts on it probably don't have much value?
...which is also why i'm not gonna share my thoughts (also i have none)
@@RichConnerGMN the chad disinterested party
@@RichConnerGMN based
Aw finally, we can end all trees. I've been waiting 84 years for that. I can now die happy
I’ve never loved repeated pausing strats, whether for pause buffering, lining up precision, or something like this. I just think it’s mostly against the spirit of how games should be played. On the other hand for TAS oh hell yeah go to town
Fun fact from Super Metroid: repeated frame-perfect pausing will keep you alive at 0hp, and In Game Time will not count up while you do so. By taking advantage of this it would be possible to create a No Major Glitches TAS with an incredibly low value for In Game Time. The only caveat is that you can't pause on elevators, during Power Bomb explosions, or during Mother Brain's rainbow beam.
another documentary in less than 2 weeks? I'm loving it dude.
0:39 That recreation of those last piano chords of the MK64 opening theme was so perfect that I was half expecting to hear the funky slap bass of the original song come in and continue playing afterwards.
I love detailed analysis on speedrunning techniques and glitches that break games, so you definitely got another sub :)
Very appreciate of how much effort you put into visualizing tricks and glitches in your videos. Such an amazing channel!
incredible and groundbreaking video, im not one to underestimate potential of future discoveries in speedrunning but this video still took me completely by surprise! so much is still left to be found it seems, this should give us enough to play around with for the next while :)
just an amazing video! please keep it up :D
Would the indefinite OOB driving eventually lead to a crash due to your position becoming too high? Or does this game handle large floats differently than SM64?
Most likely. Though you'd probably need to drive for days if not weeks to get your position anywhere near that high.
@@Sylocat Could be done with a TAS and running at higher speeds to experiment.
The tracks don't extend that far. You'd just fall off the edge into water pretty quickly
Not enough drivable level geometry. You'd drive OoB, and then *fall* OoB and get fished up by lakitu.
even if the track extended forever you'd likely get stuck before that as your velocity to round up to the next point would keep getting higher
Does that mean you could potentially "hack" a 60 FPS visual version of Mario Kart 64?
Nice video as always Bismuth
The 60 fps is not a true 60 because it actually runs at 50% speed and the video is sped up. But I do recall someone optimizing MK64 to the point where it might almost be possible.
@@Bismuth9 If you run PAL instead maybe 50FPS could work?
i been loving your videos for a while bismuth, your editing technique and explanations are always so good,
Great job getting this out on time :) Your productive output is astonishing.
new bismuth upload means a happy friday
I refuse to believe 1999 was 23 years ago
People born in 2004 are adults this year :)
Had someone tell me to come visit this channel and that's all they said. Chose this video because I played Mario Kart non stop in the late 90's. I gotta say, this content is on a whole other level. This is God tier.
In every way an awesome video! Even taking epilepsy into concideration. Also s/o to the TASers who just keep on working this stuff. It's a joy to watch
Beautiful video man. Lovely music. You do so well with these videos
Your piano arrangement at the end is simply gorgeous. But, well done all around!
"Don't blink!"
(blinks)
"I'm the best!"
*T R E E %*
Bismuth always brings some banger content with some banger music. That Rainbow Road remix is amazing.
Great video mate! Always a good watch and informative. Keep them coming :)
I can't like this video enough
Magnificent work and great presentation! Love it!
Amazingly well produced video. Keep on going strong!
Nice! All trees is finally really all trees.
Great video and great music as always.
I've always amazed how you and the community figure this stuff out.
That ending was the ultimate bait and switch.
Can't wait for the new records in All Trees category
Your so good at explaining this stuff Bismuth!
The All Trees stonks are rising
*Your videos are ABSOLUTELY AMAZING*
Thank you ssoooooo much for all of your content!!!
You and summing salt have this category on lock, no one does it better than guys. Glad I subbed to your channel
8:02
narrarator: is talking
time trials ghost:
Man I love you videos, they're just amazing
Amazing video as always Bismuth
17:27 Bro you make the music too? Don't know if that's new but mad props to you!
Really loved the Piano in this one, Bismuth!
i love this stuff so much
New bismuth video just dropped
And this is EXACTLY why you NEVER use in game timers for timing. Ever
I feel like there's PC games or other console games that could counter that.
@@bsharpmajorscale if pc it should always be time without loads. No matter what
hi, celeste runner here.
no.
hi, celeste runner here
yeah
@@6.28 oh ok
It's a good day when Bismuth posts
Finally, all the trees can be destroyed and deforestation can happen
Really amazing video!
I don't know about the speedrun community but I love this channel
Hahahahahaha those last few seconds changed the video from great to amazing! (Without spoiling it:-)
i couldnt imagine this busted game could be broken even more. GREAT VIDEO LOVE YOUR STUFF DADDY BISMUTH
You weren't kidding about the flashing
This glitch is pretty interesting, with lots of potential, although, I imagine execution of it would be extraordinarily dfficult. Still, before this, I didn't know about the All Trees Categories! Now I'm interested!
I wonder if there will ever be an "All Trees Speedrun History" video. Also, anyone know of any All Trees TAS Videos?
Anyway, great analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
Finally... I can sleep well at night knowing that all trees in SM64 can be destroyed.
Lol, but seriously, I enjoyed the vid. Keep up the great stuff :D
mario kart's music is so chill lol
I approve of the lap 2 at 14:55.
Got a good laugh out of the fact that destroying trees is a spreedrun category. The MK64 community has peaked.
I remember one day that I was screwing around with gameshark codes on PJ64 and discovered with moonjumping that MMF had a possible shortcut by basically jumping far enough out of bounds while crossing finish, somehow never got to the point trying it myself with 2P mode lol
Next on bismuth. Completely a lap in mario Kart 64 in -10 seconds
Oh damn new bismuth video on mk64