To Volksgrenadier or to Panzerfusilier, that is the Question... - CoH2 Guide
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- čas přidán 29. 06. 2024
- An in-depth comparison of two Oberkommando infantry units, Panzerfusiliers vs Volksgrenadiers.
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the fact that Panzerfüsiliere have their at-riflegrenade from early one gives them the advantage of countering these pesky early universal carrier and clown cars
use 222, panzer 2 to kill universal carrier
As if OBK can't just rush AT and dunk on the cars...
@@Fruzhin5483 no it cant
@@eygs493 Yes, it can
@@eygs493 The OKW is the only faction that has an AT in it's starting phase...
CORRECTION: I misstated the range of the Faust and AT rifle grenade. Correct ranges are 15 and 17 respectively
oh yeah i did feel like the ranges somehow didnt add up good to know i am not as crazy. Keep up the good work!
Hey could you check the damage stats at 3:35 since 8+8+5+5+5=31 and other one too
@@thangtruongquang1891 hi yeah so the numbers are actually decimals that are rounded up, so it's probably something like 7.6+7.6 etc etc. 29 is the correct number
It's actually quite strange how the fusiliers with the g43 upgrade is better at short range compared to the volks with stg44.
Realistically the stg44 would succeed at both short and medium range while the g43 would exceed at medium to long range.
Another point is the dps on the move for the fusiliers, g43s are battle rifles which means there lengthy and heavy.
Stg44 would be better at moving and chasseing down enemies, from there lightweight, versatility and automatic fire.
It makes zero sense for the volks to not be better at chasing down enemies, so that should be switched between the 2 units while debuffing fusiliers dps at close range and buffing there medium/long range dps instead.
Volks should have higher dps at medium/short range after upgrading to stg44.
See, I used common sense like this when I first went against G43 Pfusiliers and wondered why my conscripts were getting shredded. Imagine my surprise when I went to compstomp as OKW to test stuff and saw that the G43 package improves short-medium range dps
Might be the fact that volk only get 2 while fusiliers get 3 plus one more members. But the chasing part doesn't make sense at all.
I'm 100% with you for this opinion but for a question of balance, it would be unfair to win some close range fight against special units from allies like Ranger, Assault Gards, Para-Gards and etc which have 3 Thompson upgrade versus a regular unit like Volks.
@@lssam257 As a person of realism balance doesn't really apply to my vocabulary, each nation has its own strengths and weaknesses it's strategy and skill that decide winning or losing.
The stg44 should be good at short and medium range, while the Thompson should stay as it is currently at short range dps.
There's a doctrine that allow volks to have mp40's, it's not much considering mp40 is piss weak.
It's a known fact that Germany had the best small arms of ww2, that's the challenge aspect of the game (To beat Germany).
That being said they should buff some of the allied inf weapons for example:
The Lee Enfield should be more effective at medium to long with a slight buff in short range because of rate of fire.
They should buff mp40s, sten, grease gun as they all poop but still keep Thompson as best smg.
@@MagpieMew Yeah that extra member isn't just a sponge, but brings his own k98. You're getting 3 gun upgrades + 1 additional gun, which is why it pushes the squads dps higher than volks. Agreed that the on the move accuracy is weird.
it is amazing that a sturmgewehr, an automatic "assault" rifle has WORSE fire-on-move accuracy than a SNIPER RIFLE shot on the move
great job relic seems legit
volks are supposedly arent as good traines as pfusiliers
@@danylomotchanyi9441 well duh, Volksturm are literally old men and teens, compared to P. fusiliers who are actually historically just Panzergrenadiers but named so because of Großdeutschland Division wanting to keep traditions alive.
Volksgrenadier divisions were organized around small cadres of hardened veteran soldiers, noncommissioned officers and then bulked out with anything the Replacement Army could supply: "jobless" personnel of the Kriegsmarine and Luftwaffe, recovered wounded soldiers from broken formations returning to duty from hospitals, older men who would have been considered too old or too unfit for the peacetime army, and young men and teenagers from the latest conscription with standardized weapons and equipment unlike the unrelated Volkssturm militia
@@luftwaffles274 volksturm has nothing in common with volksgrenadiers, the volksgrenadiers were mostly made of battle hardened veterans from perviously destroyed regular infantry divisions, they also were equiped with the STG44 which is better than the G43 in almost all aspects. In reality the volksgrenadiers would just be better than the panzerfusiliers
@@NlGHTSKY No lol, Geo luke is more correct on this one.
This was helpful! I’ve got nearly 4,000 hrs in this game and had some intuition about the vet improvements but your research is most helpful!
thanks for another great video! i main okw and i knew a little bit about differences but still its very useful!
Great video, thank you very much!! Yeah usually I'd go 1 Volks into fusis, it changes your build a little bit since you'd potentially get one inf unit more, esp if you're going for the Sturm officer... And that bad boy combined with 3x g43 fusis, bye bye
Great comparison. Fusie starts are very hard in the higher ranks. Tend to be very hit/miss for me. I like to mix them with 1 volk for the sandbags at the start. 1 volk into 2/3 fusies.
Very nice comparison, just one thing you forgot is that the Panzerfüsiliere start with popcap of 7 same as volks but with the upgrade that comes with 6 men squad the popcap space they take increases to 8 witch is the same as jaeger light infantry and other more elite inf.
Thx great tips
G43 Fusiliers scare me.
They *really* don't need that extra man with a K98k on top of them. The extra dude would make more sense for the Shreck upgrade.
I use both :)
why not both :D
i am always build one Volks tho even in 3v3 or 4v4 since green cover always welcome, their flame nade are good cover denial specially againts infantry sections forcing them to lose their cover bonus, and also a give a niche punch to cover early game bad dps of the fussies.... oh one more thing *ALWAYS* preserve one of your vetted panzerfusilier dont go throw them away even they are no longer able to fight vetted allied infantry since it flare+vision, capping speed + sprint, and anti tank nade are god send for your jadgtiger or you wanna do ninja cap behind the enemy line...
your video are great and well written have any tips for conscripts, cuz those farmers suck.
merge them with flamethrower engineers, build lots of green cover. spam the tripwire flares. I talk about them a bit in my soviet build order video
@@GonkOrange Thanks.
i always use volks as tank unit and panzer as dps, since volks have - (minus) percentage received accuracy earlier than panzer
3:40 Panzerfusiliers should be very inaccurate on the move, the recoil of the G-43 is horrible
What if i use both Panzerfusilier and Volksgrenedier as a team? (will it be overpower?)
Can you make a vid about how to use grenadiers?? I am struggling a lot with ostheer:(
keep them in cover since they're only a 4 man squad and will lose via attrition to other units. Use them to cover the flanks of the mg 42 to suppress in the early game and once you get the mg 42 upgrade keep them stationary when possible so that they fire it more accurately and mow down all but elite units. Keep them at mid to long range since they're probably going to lose very badly at close range.
Stay in long range you can group them but never mora than two if you use German Infantry and give them a 5 man squad you can be more aggressive with them and avoid giving them G43
I build 2 volks maybe 3 and then pfusies
Helpinghans always said. Panzerfusiliers late game are the best infantry in the game.
Chosing fuseleirs for the early snare is incredibly stupid since the Faust comes very quickly and you have 3 other simple counters to early cars. (Raketten, get the pios close, simply avoid it)
It´s not just about how early it is, but also about the insane range, which gives you a much better chance to land the AT grenade. Against noobs, it doesn´t really matter, but against good players, it makes a huge difference. It´s the same reason why people take the +7% Panzerfaust range bulletin as Ostheer.
@@jirkazalabak1514 I don't think it matters either way because fausts and snares are so fucking easy to get. Vehicle pathing is notoriously bad and that's part of the game.
@@DustyPazner That would be true against idiots who send their vehicles carelessly to their deaths. However, most good players are aware enough to almost always have infantry squads or machine guns near their vehicles for support, and also to sweep mines before an attack. They also know most of the problematic spots on any given map, and will specifically avoid them to stop pathing hickups. You would be surprised at how difficult it is to snare a vehicle against a decent player. You have to be somewhat smart in order to get your infantry close enough.
Panzerfusseliers have edge because flare
What is the difference between accurate and accuracy? Mg bulletin. I'm not English speaker
accurate is an adjective and accuracy is a noun.
there is "received accuracy": a bonus makes the unit harder to hit with small arms fire.
and a bonus to just "accuracy" makes a unit hit their target more often.
Why schrecks not recommended on fusiliers? 2:44
In general handheld AT is not recommended. It makes the squad basically useless against infantry and handheld at is not as effective as dedicated at.
Also okw gets the rack which is just the best AT in my opinion because of it's survivability.
Fusiliers are op broken after g43 upgrade. They shred lile commandos at any range. Id give it to them at long, but they are hard to kill on top of that... Balance oversight maybe.
giving my opinion, Pzfussiliere are not that good unless you play the green cover game since they are weak early than Volks, are more expensive long term, and at the hour of fight, you prefer volks incediary granade since it's going to make you win the trade or clean a house or make a team weapon retreat or even wipe it. the thing about pzfussilier that made it a noobtrap is the fact is a 5 man squad with either 3g43(then 6 models) or shrecks. most go for the g43 upgrade but is 80ammo and g43 role is more of a flanker/wiper than frontline, making it useless alone and dependant of other units (smoke, a real frontline holder,etc) , however the shrecks upgrade is awesome for lategame because it counters so hard the allies dive strategy and is the best option since you are having either a tiger or a jagtiger with both commanders. I would say that is better to go 2 volks and 1 pzfussilier for the early AT and then once your volks dies. replace then with 2 obers and 2 pzfussilier with shrecks. if the enemy is not going early light vehicle i would even encourage for the traditional 3 volks early build.
Nah volk are so bad that anything else is better.
Even in green cover to green cover fight the Pfuisillers are better after the upgrade.
The Ideal strat is to go 1 volk3 PF or 2 volk 2 PF for the sandbags.
@@aziouss2863 then you are not use then properly, they are like grens, outdpsing the rest at long range. the difference and what i found really useful, is that the flammen granade is almost unavoidable ,and does a considerable damage even at first hit. they still get outscale by panzerfussillier at the long term. but it's something that happens around min 14-15. the truth is that by that moment you already have obers. wich are a lot better than the previous 2. like the only reasson you want pzfussilliere is probably in a 4v4 as a wiper squad. and the situation i mentioned before with shrecks for tank warfare on lategame.
Me before watching this
"Why not both?"
-10 min before surrender
Edit : I take back my statement, it seems that i just suck
where can i find that uint chart
On my discord
4-5 Panzerfusilier squad with Panzershreck can even 1 shot tank if they're fire 8-10 rounds at once
Let's see. Volks = People Panzer = Armor I mean, in German that's their translations. Panzer is synonymous with " armor " so you literally have " People Grenadiers " and " Armor Grenadiers " - it's literally just a choice of " You want people killers, or you want armor killers? " I take Volksgrenadiers early game to wipe out Conscripts or American Echelon squads, plus the fire grenades work for area denial.
It gets more confusing when the Volksgrenadiers in the game are also using Waffen SS uniforms mixed with Panzer Lehr.
Their epaulettes are black with white trim used only by the Waffen SS rank structure.
Their uniform uses field gray Panzer Wraps used only by StuG Battalions or Panzer Lehr Panzergrenadiers.