Hello folks! Hope you like the video. If you like to see your units featured in the next video, please vote in the poll in the description box. :D I must say that Greyshot151's historical background part is pretty well done, love that bit :D
thank you for making this videos man it is bs that the Fallschirmjäger got their panzerfausr removed while the USF paratroopers get the best bazooka ingame, UKF is basically invencible and every single granade from RUF damage any okw vehicle motor since first hit :/ please, keep these videos :D
@@redmoon9179 Whoops, I forgot to add in the amount of XP needed for the vet. It will be 750/1500/3000/3900/5010. I will make sure to add that in next time. The stats can be found from Company of Heroes 2 Tools, you should have them in your Steam library. Once you open it, click on Tool tab and open Attribute editor.
@@MightyCarrotKnight Thanks But when I tried comparing their speed at when they reach their vetrency, I can't come to find its stats am at the tabs "ebps" "Tree View" and file "west_German" > "soldiers" > "fallschirmjägers"
@@redmoon9179 you will have to find the Category tab at the top and search for sbps. You will find Falls once again and the veterancy information is at the very bottom. If you like more guidance with Attribute Editor, join CoH2.org discord group :D
Fallschirmjagers were the best all around - early elite infantry unit for axis, pre-faust patch. They used to be equipped with 4 fg42s without needing to upgrade. Used to have 2 weapon slots, now just 1. When re crewing support weapons they were equipped with fg42s. Now just kar98k's. Fallschirmjagers are only good for hit and runs. Unlike their allied counterpart, are meant for prolonged field presence. USF paratroopers out match fallschirmjagers both in armaments and utilities. Despite all these drawbacks I still love these guys. And always try to make them work in my matches.
When I play as Allies, I complained about how OP Falls are. Excel at AI, powerful grenade combo, camo, further more that no elite AI infantry has an AT defense option (faust) such as Para, Ranger, Shock.. Remove faust is what I agree, but they need another ability to replace the lost one. With 60ammo for another 2FG and unable to camo move cover to cover until vet2. The nerf was beyond I expected
I mostly just use them to support volks, They are great at clearing early allied squads and forcing a retreat. Most allied people I face usually just target the volks.
Just wanted to say, the FG-42 was intended as a light machine gun, not as a semi-auto rifle. It was, however, built to fill both the role of a rifle and LMG that troops could use, in order to be more versatile behind enemy lines. It had extremely manageable recoil, as shown in the Forgotten Weapons video about the gun. lb for lb, it was considered superior to the BAR, it's closest counterpart.
2:49 funny détail that i just noticed when that fallschirmjäger in front with the kar98k reaload, you can see that it have an FG-42 magazine on the side of his rifle. Yeah nothing much it's a small détail but i love the unit ^^
In CoH 1, Grenadier or Stormtrooper leader have StG 44 yet they shoot it one by one like a bolt-action rifle. When you upgrade it with real StG weapon, they shoot it full automatic.
Bro, every time i watched Spirit of the Law with his videos, i think "this is freaking amazing" (and i dont even play aoe2, but never miss a video from him). And i always wanted to see similar analysis about COH2. U MADE MY DREAM REAL AND I LOVE U FOR THAT
I'm a big fan of Spirit of the Law too. He inspires me to go deep into unit analysis like this. I tried hard not to copy him, but it's hard to deny the influence, I love his subtle jokes. =))
Great video! However it would be great if you can make a list for all these coh2 units analysis video, pretty hard for me to find more of these content through all of your videos lol
Great job guys, very cool and informative video, loved the second part especially. As for the first part, I'd like to know some more tips and tricks on how to use them well, f.e. synergy with other units (pre building sandbags with volks comes to mind).
I would classify these guys as glass cannons. They are extremely effective against any infantry squad if they have the range/cover advantage but, indirect fire and armor is pretty damn lethal against them. Ive lost whole squads to a single shot from T34. Also, if something like shock troops or other close quarter infantry can get a jump on them (coming out behind corner and what not) they get wiped really easily!
I'm not 100% sure but I thought falls had the ability to get weapon upgrades in out-of-supply regions. I thought it was their unique feature. Also Osttruppen next.
the best ways is to install coh 2 tools and read directly the game files (ebps & weapons) all the docs on internet are not official and outdated (2015 was the best i saw)
the FG42 was not only semi automatic.... it could be fired in fullauto too... nice to know: in semiautomatic the systemwas a closed bolt system wich prevents dirt getting into the system in fullauto mode it was an open bolt system wich would lead to better cooling for the system
At vet2 i noticed. They can be camouflage by moving. But not from cover to cover. For example. When they move while in green cover they will be seen. At vet 2. Since they didnot leave the cover. They wont be seen
Yes, when I said hopped between cover, I think I had a wrong impression there until I checked it later. During the late game, when the ground was fully covered with craters, they "technically" hop from cover to cover. You are correct that any second of them not being in cover will reveal them. I'll make sure to be more clear for the next video. :D
Its better long range but conscript is very weak in straight combat unless when you mass them. It's good in support role with their merge abilities and other skill. They also need upgrade or specific doctrine to be potent. But it's cheap and easily spam. They also build largest sandbag (my favourite)
You can find these stats from Company of Heroes 2 Tools, you should have them in your Steam library. Once you open it, click on Tool tab and open Attribute editor. All of the stats are there, but you will need quite a bit of understanding of the game and patience to interpret all the stats presented there. It'll look like this codiexcode.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/skc3a6rmbillede-2018-07-08-14-54-51.png?w=1100
It's really sad that they don't have panzerfaust anymore, you can use it, to drop near enemy altylery and destroy it whatever it will be, vehicle or cannon.
Most Fallschirmjagers in 1944 were only Fallschirmjagers in name as they were actually just volksgrenadiers. Their numbers were already whittled down significantly.
ah yes... i just remember that falls faust was removed because it was a threat to T70.... like t70 need an edge for fighting infantry with their 45mm sniper cannon quite funny when i hear them first, but when stuart came to the equation then i see the reason... just sadly for me falls lost their uniqueness as elite generalist unit..(yeah camo is another thing but JLI also have camo but they have unique gameplay of scout/sniper team) while performance wise it was more or less on the same level as obers right now i see them are temporary(and emergency replacer if Flak hq is destroyed) obers (camo is great but rarely use by me coz player on my rank able to predict where they are hiding with nades or indirects which is acceptable because i also can predict where camo units are lurking) well that my opinion btw dont get me wrong double falls (especially with valiant assault) is beast anyways good video as always... :)
The reason could be the balancing of making fallschimjager squad go toe to toe with some elite units of the allies like the Rangers squad, shocktroopers, and the british commandos(which are almost similar to each other now, but lack range and a bit lacking of open ground survivability, except when equipped with brens, pretty much similar to the fallschimjager fg42 upgrades)
Units aren't supposed to be strong vs everything. There's a reason AT Snares aren't available on Elite infantry, and there was zero justification for them on a unit that was already had a ton of utility and anti infantry firepower.
There are tables like that in CoH2.org discord group. Right now, we haven't had all unit stats for infantry yet and I'm in the process of compiling them. The game has so many different stats that I think I'll have to make one specific video to explain all of them first. I'll look into making them after the next Know Your Unit video or something.
They are all in the Attribute Editor that you can open from Company of Heroes 2 Tools. Just open it --> go to Tools tab --> Attribute Editor --> Category Tab --> Weapon
I retrieved the stats from Company of Heroes 2 Tools, you should have them in your Steam library. Once you open it, click on Tool tab and open Attribute editor. The vast majority of the stats are there, but you will need quite a bit of understanding of the game and patience to interpret the data. It'll look like this codiexcode.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/skc3a6rmbillede-2018-07-08-14-54-51.png?w=1100
4:15 in what world does it make sense that a 4 man elite squad which only cost manpower can defeat a 6 man squad which has had 120 munitions on top of the manpower?! Makes no sense. OP as fuck
Actually, it's quite situational. In that clip, Falls had the advantage of firing first and also had the first strike bonus and they still almost died. Paratrooper will beat them on the open ground pretty much most of the time.
Meh...101st and 82nd still the best. Not really using fallshirm when using The Heer. Moreover, I'm more to mechanized unit then airborne when playing axis...
dude your historical analysis is a joke...... especially about the fg 42. look at the channel forgotten weapons the fg42 is the most controlable full powered battle rifle in history.
One of the members of my family was in the FJ , joining in 1941 and was in the Russia, Italy and Normandy..he always used to say that they were always considered and elite fighting force (Khuban bridgehead, Monte Casino, Normandy) and were one of the most highly decorated unit in WW2..Most of his unit died during the later stages of the war but himself and the few survivors surrendered to the British in Austria in 1945..He always got tears in his eyes during our talks, he was the kindest nicest man and is dearly missed . RIP
Hello folks! Hope you like the video. If you like to see your units featured in the next video, please vote in the poll in the description box. :D
I must say that Greyshot151's historical background part is pretty well done, love that bit :D
thank you for making this videos
man it is bs that the Fallschirmjäger got their panzerfausr removed while the USF paratroopers get the best bazooka ingame, UKF is basically invencible and every single granade from RUF damage any okw vehicle motor since first hit :/
please, keep these videos :D
it reminded me... how long those it take to vet up fallschimjägers?
where you even find this stuff out? xd
@@redmoon9179 Whoops, I forgot to add in the amount of XP needed for the vet. It will be 750/1500/3000/3900/5010. I will make sure to add that in next time.
The stats can be found from Company of Heroes 2 Tools, you should have them in your Steam library. Once you open it, click on Tool tab and open Attribute editor.
@@MightyCarrotKnight Thanks
But when I tried comparing their speed at when they reach their vetrency, I can't come to find its stats
am at the tabs "ebps" "Tree View" and file "west_German" > "soldiers" > "fallschirmjägers"
@@redmoon9179 you will have to find the Category tab at the top and search for sbps. You will find Falls once again and the veterancy information is at the very bottom. If you like more guidance with Attribute Editor, join CoH2.org discord group :D
Fallschirmjagers were the best all around - early elite infantry unit for axis, pre-faust patch.
They used to be equipped with 4 fg42s without needing to upgrade.
Used to have 2 weapon slots, now just 1.
When re crewing support weapons they were equipped with fg42s. Now just kar98k's.
Fallschirmjagers are only good for hit and runs. Unlike their allied counterpart, are meant for prolonged field presence.
USF paratroopers out match fallschirmjagers both in armaments and utilities.
Despite all these drawbacks I still love these guys. And always try to make them work in my matches.
When I play as Allies, I complained about how OP Falls are. Excel at AI, powerful grenade combo, camo, further more that no elite AI infantry has an AT defense option (faust) such as Para, Ranger, Shock..
Remove faust is what I agree, but they need another ability to replace the lost one. With 60ammo for another 2FG and unable to camo move cover to cover until vet2. The nerf was beyond I expected
I mostly just use them to support volks, They are great at clearing early allied squads and forcing a retreat. Most allied people I face usually just target the volks.
Just wanted to say, the FG-42 was intended as a light machine gun, not as a semi-auto rifle. It was, however, built to fill both the role of a rifle and LMG that troops could use, in order to be more versatile behind enemy lines. It had extremely manageable recoil, as shown in the Forgotten Weapons video about the gun. lb for lb, it was considered superior to the BAR, it's closest counterpart.
2:49 funny détail that i just noticed when that fallschirmjäger in front with the kar98k reaload, you can see that it have an FG-42 magazine on the side of his rifle.
Yeah nothing much it's a small détail but i love the unit ^^
In CoH 1, Grenadier or Stormtrooper leader have StG 44 yet they shoot it one by one like a bolt-action rifle.
When you upgrade it with real StG weapon, they shoot it full automatic.
At least they didnt have broken reloading animations
Amazing series guys! So pumped about seeing more of it!
Quality content, your channel took my attension!
This is what I wanted! You did a great vids for the units in CoH 2.
Would love to see Engineer series units and comparison.
Would love to see a video about the british commandos, or comparing them with the fallschimjagers.
The German Paratroopers shreds.
Bro, every time i watched Spirit of the Law with his videos, i think "this is freaking amazing" (and i dont even play aoe2, but never miss a video from him). And i always wanted to see similar analysis about COH2. U MADE MY DREAM REAL AND I LOVE U FOR THAT
I'm a big fan of Spirit of the Law too. He inspires me to go deep into unit analysis like this. I tried hard not to copy him, but it's hard to deny the influence, I love his subtle jokes. =))
Please make more videos like this with in-depth stats analysis and tactical demonstrations
Very nice, loving this series
Pretty cool series, nice unit analysis.
Great content!
THIS SERIES ARE AWESOME. THANKS, REALLY. KEEP IT UP
Thank you!
Great video! However it would be great if you can make a list for all these coh2 units analysis video, pretty hard for me to find more of these content through all of your videos lol
I feel so lucky that it was my favorite unit
Very nice vid guys :D
I had no idea the smoke grenades slowed and damaged other troops, thanks, great video
But its in the description
Can we get a video on obersoldaten? Really curious about their current veterancy bonuses.
great content
i usually use these guys in 2-squad tandem. having them focus fire on a single squad can wipe it out in seconds!
More of that pls!
You should do Guards Rifle Infantry next
Hey , I'm quite curious from where do you get Model HP stats?
Great job guys, very cool and informative video, loved the second part especially. As for the first part, I'd like to know some more tips and tricks on how to use them well, f.e. synergy with other units (pre building sandbags with volks comes to mind).
pathfinds next please and bless you for this series
Awesome video
Keep it up :))))
Thanks 😁
informative.nice
I would classify these guys as glass cannons. They are extremely effective against any infantry squad if they have the range/cover advantage but, indirect fire and armor is pretty damn lethal against them. Ive lost whole squads to a single shot from T34. Also, if something like shock troops or other close quarter infantry can get a jump on them (coming out behind corner and what not) they get wiped really easily!
Make one for the other german ground troops. The panzerjäger , panzerfusiliers, panzergrenadier, osttruppe, volksgrenadier
Next historical background for the Penal Battalion. Please :D
I'm not 100% sure but I thought falls had the ability to get weapon upgrades in out-of-supply regions. I thought it was their unique feature.
Also Osttruppen next.
Yooo you did it
Is there any option to get a look into the unit-stats anywhere? Can you find them ingame, or do you have to look them up on the Internet?
the best ways is to install coh 2 tools and read directly the game files (ebps & weapons) all the docs on internet are not official and outdated (2015 was the best i saw)
Ok, thanks!
would like a video of grenadiers, love the full splinter camo
@Gerd Wiesler i dont play anymore mate, and last time i played it was with spearhead mod that makes the grenadiers already 4 man squad!
Chad fallschirmjäger vs Virgin Shock Troops
Shocks will win every time for the fraction of the reinforcement cost
Kelthuzad WW2 in a Nutshell
shock troops wins
@@kelthuzad4634 shocks will only win in close range, while losing in both long and medium ranges
@@magnuscoles5010 you implying that shocks wont just run up to you and shoot you in the face
most soviet players dont know the word "cover"
the FG42 was not only semi automatic....
it could be fired in fullauto too...
nice to know: in semiautomatic the systemwas a closed bolt system wich prevents dirt getting into the system
in fullauto mode it was an open bolt system wich would lead to better cooling for the system
At vet2 i noticed. They can be camouflage by moving. But not from cover to cover. For example. When they move while in green cover they will be seen. At vet 2. Since they didnot leave the cover. They wont be seen
Yes, when I said hopped between cover, I think I had a wrong impression there until I checked it later. During the late game, when the ground was fully covered with craters, they "technically" hop from cover to cover. You are correct that any second of them not being in cover will reveal them. I'll make sure to be more clear for the next video. :D
How about Ranger with 3 BAR? i find them very effective vs Fall
Please one video about Conscripts, this unit idk if its for long range or small range combat. Sorry for my english. Thx Great Video.
Its better long range but conscript is very weak in straight combat unless when you mass them. It's good in support role with their merge abilities and other skill. They also need upgrade or specific doctrine to be potent. But it's cheap and easily spam. They also build largest sandbag (my favourite)
Also being 6 men they can take a lot of hit even more so while in heavy cover
@@MagpieMew
Thanks I will try to use them in that way, thanks for your answer.
Can you tell me where i can look up those stats wich you showed in the video ?
You can find these stats from Company of Heroes 2 Tools, you should have them in your Steam library. Once you open it, click on Tool tab and open Attribute editor. All of the stats are there, but you will need quite a bit of understanding of the game and patience to interpret all the stats presented there.
It'll look like this codiexcode.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/skc3a6rmbillede-2018-07-08-14-54-51.png?w=1100
Next you should do ostruppen, please
How do I use supply drop zone
i miss the old fj,they are best unit in all factions, sad coh chop them so much until they not so op anymore
Pretty sure that first strike bonus is bugged and applied to falschimjaeger all the time after they they enter any kind of cover.
It's really sad that they don't have panzerfaust anymore, you can use it, to drop near enemy altylery and destroy it whatever it will be, vehicle or cannon.
Great unit a bit sad for the Faust but still you can bleed out of man power if you have more than then 1 squads .
Most Fallschirmjagers in 1944 were only Fallschirmjagers in name as they were actually just volksgrenadiers. Their numbers were already whittled down significantly.
Sir can you do some videos on the wikinger mod units
Specially the SS doctrine
I wanna know their origin and specialties
The mods tends to be realistic and ground base on actual ww2 events. Should research tho.
where can i get the spreadsheet?
whats better coh falchirmjager or coh2 falchirmjager?
They land at my base how do I chose where they land
I miss the panzerfaust😭
so fallschirmjagers were more like Stealth Shock Trooper? sounds like a new infantry shredder then
What's intro song name?
Please i want to see jäger light infantry
He made a mistake about FG-42. It was automatic rifle
do one for the ostheer grenadier, man. those guy are a disappointment
ah yes... i just remember that falls faust was removed because it was a threat to T70....
like t70 need an edge for fighting infantry with their 45mm sniper cannon
quite funny when i hear them first, but when stuart came to the equation then i see the reason...
just sadly for me falls lost their uniqueness as elite generalist unit..(yeah camo is another thing but JLI also have camo but they have unique gameplay of scout/sniper team) while performance wise it was more or less on the same level as obers right now i see them are temporary(and emergency replacer if Flak hq is destroyed) obers (camo is great but rarely use by me coz player on my rank able to predict where they are hiding with nades or indirects which is acceptable because i also can predict where camo units are lurking)
well that my opinion btw dont get me wrong double falls (especially with valiant assault) is beast
anyways good video as always... :)
The reason could be the balancing of making fallschimjager squad go toe to toe with some elite units of the allies like the Rangers squad, shocktroopers, and the british commandos(which are almost similar to each other now, but lack range and a bit lacking of open ground survivability, except when equipped with brens, pretty much similar to the fallschimjager fg42 upgrades)
Units aren't supposed to be strong vs everything. There's a reason AT Snares aren't available on Elite infantry, and there was zero justification for them on a unit that was already had a ton of utility and anti infantry firepower.
it just Constript with 2 FG and just 4 unit
Did they get nay nerf or changes from video till now? Thx for info
Panzerfaust is removed but otherwise the same.
@@GreyshotProductions Thx for info man! Anyway still hope for new tier lists after update and I hope even more for B4 rework :D
Can you make a easily understandable table with all units specs?
There are tables like that in CoH2.org discord group. Right now, we haven't had all unit stats for infantry yet and I'm in the process of compiling them. The game has so many different stats that I think I'll have to make one specific video to explain all of them first. I'll look into making them after the next Know Your Unit video or something.
where are you getting these stats like from 3:60?
They are all in the Attribute Editor that you can open from Company of Heroes 2 Tools. Just open it --> go to Tools tab --> Attribute Editor --> Category Tab --> Weapon
Fg42 was a automatic. :)
They're OP
panzergrenadier is more op
Pls do Rangers, i need to know who suck, Me or them :D
you. rangers are awesome
In new update now they havent faustpatrone
They need the Faust back
Where are you getting these stats from?
I retrieved the stats from Company of Heroes 2 Tools, you should have them in your Steam library. Once you open it, click on Tool tab and open Attribute editor.
The vast majority of the stats are there, but you will need quite a bit of understanding of the game and patience to interpret the data.
It'll look like this codiexcode.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/skc3a6rmbillede-2018-07-08-14-54-51.png?w=1100
cover the boys who liberate Riflemen
4:15 in what world does it make sense that a 4 man elite squad which only cost manpower can defeat a 6 man squad which has had 120 munitions on top of the manpower?! Makes no sense. OP as fuck
Actually, it's quite situational. In that clip, Falls had the advantage of firing first and also had the first strike bonus and they still almost died. Paratrooper will beat them on the open ground pretty much most of the time.
Do the greyhound
The fg is automatic not semi auto.
they removed panzerfaust from this unit :(
The poll doesn't have airborne guards
whoops, I forgot to add Airborne Guard and Assault Guard =)) I'll make note to add them next time then.
Meh...101st and 82nd still the best. Not really using fallshirm when using The Heer. Moreover, I'm more to mechanized unit then airborne when playing axis...
the most stupidly OP unit in the game
pls make next video about osttrupen
We are doing allies next but afterwords we will see!
Need to do this for spearhead. Base game sucks
Soviet female snipers next?
Look how they massacred my boys...
Lol my profile pic.
i swear i would play this game if they would make the pay 2 win factions free....
This unit is too strong for 2cp timing
or you can use Jesus troop , totally balance .
Nerf them more. Running with lmgs like nothing and eating troops
dude your historical analysis is a joke...... especially about the fg 42. look at the channel forgotten weapons the fg42 is the most controlable full powered battle rifle in history.
One of the members of my family was in the FJ , joining in 1941 and was in the Russia, Italy and Normandy..he always used to say that they were always considered and elite fighting force (Khuban bridgehead, Monte Casino, Normandy) and were one of the most highly decorated unit in WW2..Most of his unit died during the later stages of the war but himself and the few survivors surrendered to the British in Austria in 1945..He always got tears in his eyes during our talks, he was the kindest nicest man and is dearly missed . RIP
Ah yes one of the many fucking stupid units in this game