Why Are There No Fat Vampires?
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0:00-3:28 intro
3:28-6:26 a BRIEF history of vampires
6:26-8:48 thank you, Parade!
8:49-18:40 the vampire eras
18:40-28:47 the rise of twilight
28:47- thoughts & discussion
32:52-33:48 outro
✩ sources (i couldn't link ALL of the sources cause a lot of them are files, but i did put the source below every quote in this video)
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-twilightsaga.fandom.com/wiki/...
-www.mimimatthews.com/2016/04/...
-Siobhan TikTok: www.tiktok.com/@sarahelizabet...
-humanities.wustl.edu/features...
-www.tenement.org/blog/they-wa...
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after learning that stephanie meyer is mormon it really made me see the vampiric fantasy of twilight as being related to mormon conceptions of the afterlife i.e. living with your eternal family
I distinctly remember the way Stephanie Myer had everyone described as marble, and even the movie showed the death of vampires as concrete being ripped apart before being set on fire, which would imply that fat vampires should have also been literally cemented in the body they were turned in. Putting aside the fact that none of this is real, that means they are unaffected by things like exercise, calories, thyroid issues (hyper or hypo), health problems, disordered eating, or any other potential weight gain or loss in her universe. She turned them into that dude from the fantastic four franchise. Literally made them rocks. Stephanie did you forget your own plot?
love seeing more long-form content from you! fun video idea, thanks for putting it out in to the world!
aw thank you so much!! 💕💗
The title piqued my interest, so I googled and now I know that two litres of blood is 1400 calories...also I'm probably on a watchlist now
I always interpreted it as fatphobia in general. In that in popular media, they want to emphasize that immortal vampires = thin hot people. I also felt in visual media one can make the argument that the thin frame is a sign of the cost of being a vampire, the living dead. They eat less because they drink blood and it's not a "fun" way to get nourishment. And so they are cursed not to be able to enjoy the human/living joy of feeling full (of life) and truly enjoying their meal. It's easier to get this idea through in visual media by showing a vampire wasting away to skin and bones.
But yeah, if we don't scrutinize this interpretation, it can romanticize anorexia, even if it's not the intent. It also plays into the stereotype that anorexia isn't real until a person is massively underweight, when in reality you can be any size and have anorexia.
I'm sorry if a bigger person claims to have anorexia that's bs.
I felt that comment about the plus size models that fit within the hourglass figure being the more standard look for plus size clothes. Here I am, thinking my body is not proportional to how I “should look”. It’s something I still struggle with, and even if I find myself being very accepting of other bodies… I can’t easily give myself that same acceptance. Great video, was never big into twilight myself but I enjoyed it nonetheless!
Same reason we only started getting black and queer vampires only in the last 10 years
To be fair, we have had black + queer vampires on-screen since the 90s- True Blood, Blade (Interview With the Vampire hints at it, doesn’t state it outright but is homoerotic af)
Vampires have always had a queer code to them.
That’s not true, queer vampires were a thing for a long time: see the lesbian vampire i forgot the name of, and they were queercoded for even longer
@@cw2010you’re thinking Carmilla or even Lilith
Bestie I can't believe you never checked out Anne Rice, there's been gay vampires since the 70s at least
This video was so good! It highlighted a theme of vampirism that I had overlooked, as feeding is often interpreted as inherently s*xual, (p*netration of fangs = s*x) a more literal reading of feeding is definitely valid, and deserves to be dissected. I think a large part of the reason we now see vampires as sexy anti-heroes and no longer as monsters is due to Anne Rices Interview with the Vampire ( Edward gives HUGE Louis vibes). Louis' struggle with feeding is a large part of the book, and his refusal to indulge and find enjoyment in it is a big reason why he's seen as more human and virtuous than other vampires. Although Louis does ultimately decide to feed on humans his anguish in feeling pleasure in partaking, and his refusal to seek out more victims than he needs, is what sets him apart from the other morally dubious or outright evil vampires we meet in the book.The book can arguably be seen as the reason why a a significant theme for the modern vampire, the choice to feed or restrict their feeding, is ultimately a battle of morality. Those who choose to feed and enjoy it being seen as selfish monsters, and those who don't as inherently more human and morally superior. I think American society internalized this more than we realize. As for Twilight I did read it during my teenage years and the obsession with not only Edwards, but also Bella's hunger and apatite had a negative impact on me. Growing up I was always fatter than my friends and siblings I was always a size large, but was not fat enough to warrant public scrutiny more subtle fat shaming from family reminding me to be careful that I was looking heavier, and to be careful about gaining more weight. Food was a comfort for me and still is now. My grandmothers always cooking a lot of food and cultural dishes that were delicious a way of saying they loved me, but then feeling guilty as family were not shy about telling me that the way I looked was more important. Constantly pointing out the perfectly sculptured vampires who never ate at lunch. The way that food is described as tasting like literal dirt to vampires certainly had me fantasizing about how nice it would be to simply not have an appetite or eat food at all. The Cullens, especially Edward's ability to restraint themselves even with the food they are supposed to want, blood, was impressive to me. While Bella's lack of appetite in New Moon can be attributed to depression, there are plenty of mentions before and after New Moon where Bella does display a real apathy for food and eating. Funnily enough many of the times Bella's hunger is more encouraged is when she is expecting, the food being more for the baby than for her. As much as I wanted to believe I was above being insecure about how much I ate, I still found myself thinking maybe I could be more slender and therefore more desirable if I had Bella's same attitude towards food, or Edward's restraint. As for Siobhan I feel like Stephenie Meyer was trying to do representation that made everyone happy, and while understandable, representation that becomes more about appeasing everyone rather than accurate and for the group you are portraying always ends up feeling insulting, half-assed, and weird as you have pointed out. I think making Siobhan tall and voluptuous gave a the surface-level depiction of a fat positive vampire. However knowing people might make fun of her as manly, as other female vampires in the books are often portrayed as beautiful and doll-like she felt the need to really jam in the feminine descriptor. On the other hand not wanting to be seen as glorifying fatness, Siobhan is never seen as inherently desirable. While I'd argue the fat positivity movement hadn't become mainstream yet this would coincide with Meyer's very religious ideals as gluttony is considered sinful. I am so sorry this comment is so long, but your video really made me think about the ideas that I hadn't realized I internalized about vampires. It also made me consider new ideas I hadn't before so thank you for putting your degree to work, and coming out with this great analysis love your videos and fashion hope you have a great day!
thank you so much for this comment!! it was super interesting and i’m so glad to hear ur thoughts + how these themes impacted you!! 💗
I’m still fighting this stuff. My family still thinks it’s okay to comment. I was a child when they started and fat was the worst thing you could be. It’s really really fucked with me. My 90 yr old grandfather can’t stop. And they all wonder why I cut them out for a long time. I don’t put up with this shit anymore.
its so unfortunate how a lot of people have so much engrained fatphobia and deal with it by forcing it onto the people around them. i’m sorry your family did that to you!! you deserve a lot better
I adore your informative videos about fatphobia and such, and I love watching your styling videos.
It´s very informative and it helps me understand and unlearn things i was taught, because while I´m not plus size, I have suffered from issues with my relationship with food and my body, and your videos are comforting when I get stuck in self-depricating thoughts.
Your channel (and other plus size creators channels) help me understand the things I have to unlearn when it comes to the fatphobia that is always present in society, and I´m so grateful for all your videos.😁
Also i love your shorts when you style outfits, they always look awesome. and you look great!
This video makes me understand on a different level why my aunt has always been obsessed with twilight. She’s one of those people that is plus sized but is obsessed with the idea of losing weight and being skinny. Like that whole side of my family is obsessed with losing weight in a way that shames people for being plus sized and not wanting to be skinny.
this was so cool and I hope you keep making video essays! I have never been fat but grew up with fat parents and watching how people reacted to them, combined with being a little girl in the early 2000s, has severely twisted my relationship to weight and food. there is SO MUCH HISTORY to mine on the subject of weight and its class, morality and cultural significance, and a confident, cool fat person like you is exactly who I want to hear it from.
I love your videos that discuss deeps topics like this, especially as a queer fat woman who relates almost (not a person of color - I’m white) completely to all the topics mentioned 💗
i havent yet watched the video (which i definitely will, im sure its great !!) but i do have a fat vampire oc and im definitely planning on making more lol
thank you for this eloquent and well researched video!!! this is such an interesting topic and i think you examined it so well. would love to see more of this kind of video from you, put that socio degree to work queen!!!
so glad u enjoyed!! thank you sm :”)
The lack of intellectual curiosity in some of these comments is astounding. I don’t understand why some people can never grasp that culture impacts art, and vice versa. And their arguments don’t make sense either, because they’re trying to justify their thinly-veiled fatphobia with the excuse of “world-building” when, as is mentioned, there ARE fat vampires, they’re just not common in media-so the explanation that vampires lose fat in the transformation process is not like, an enforced rule of vampire lore.
i really appreciate this comment! the whole point of this video is (for me to have fun cause i like researching stuff that interests me) but also to analyze HOW the views of the society in which media is made affects the depiction of characters which, in this case, would be vampires in general. like you said, culture influences art and art influences culture.
@@lovejessicablair In reality I think societal values (both adherence to and subversion of) will always inform art, even if something doesn’t seem immediately political, AND even if it wasn’t something the artist made a conscious choice to portray, so accordingly, media has the power to influence the public for better or for worse. I appreciated this video for touching on that fact, and just for exploring this specific subject in general because yeah, more fat vampire would rule.
*representation
I love video essays, really looking forward to watching!
Im usually here for the fashion stuff but this reels me in vampire stuff is something I cant resist
NOW *THESE* ARE THE VIDEOS I WANNA SEE
THANK U FOR MAKING THIS CONTENT QUEEEN!!!! love ur vids u r slay everyday🤩
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Also- PHENOMENAL video❤please keep doing this. You ignited a new hyperfixation and I cannot thank you enough.
aw thank you so much, angel!!! i really appreciated your comment about stephenie meyer and vampire bodies basically turning to marble!
as a disabeld person i really agree with this when fat people talk about fatfobia i cant help but notice it almost the same thing as ablisom so i really like listing to these sort of thing
also more disabeld people please iv seen about four like fam.... its not like fat and disabeld people are uncomen about 16% of the people are disabled ( 1 in 6) and 39% is fat
these articles are killer (haha get it) and this essay was so well done. you're incredible jess
ah thank you so much!! very appreciated 🥺💗💗
Fascinating breakdown! That makes so much sense!
I know I’m late but as someone who read the first book they are very hyper focused on her weight and size and sometimes just say her weight randomly bring it up like when Edward picks her up she and she talks about how he picked up her 110 pounds easily
I appreciate you made this video :)
you have NO idea how excited i was to see this notification pop up, we neeeed to talk about the lack of fat bodies in fantasy and horror
Love the fangs 🖤🦇🖤
Thank You for sharing this one.❤
i love your videos sm❤❤❤❤
thank you sm!! 🥺💗
i find it quite interesting how the shift to hot vampire fantasy and the inclusion of “desirability” into these supernatural creatures includes a telling message behind their aesthetic, immortality, and their engineered desirability. i only watched the movies so maybe meyers talked about this more in the books, but edward’s spiel about “everything about me is designed to draw you in” paired w the frigidity and inflexibility of his appearance just seems to lack sense given how quickly and easily beauty standards change. if everything is make believe and vampires possess inhuman abilities, it almost makes more sense that their bodies would change to reflect what is aesthetically attractive in the era they’re in, their body malleable and ever-changing. sure, if a person was turned in 1800, they’d look different, but if their appearance and body is engineered to lure in prey, why are there not vampires walking around with bbls? (this is partly a joke but also a nod to how quickly beauty standards change and are culturally subjective.) like it would almost make more sense if vampires have flexible and ever-changing appearances to reflect what is beautiful to their prey and not larger society. the lack of fat vampires to me seems to convey the idea, which you touched upon when you explained how opinions about fatness and fat bodies hasn’t changed much in centuries, that thinness and the idea that it is the desired body is skinny, and authors make the decision, even if it is subjective, to write this into their fictional worlds and works because, to them and their audience, this is an easy thing to assume and believe that it’s almost compulsive to assume? i feel like that’s the true messaging that writers and fans sometimes don’t want to grapple with or confront when talking about why there aren’t fat vampires.
Reginald the Vampire is sooo good.
10/10 video, love the outfit too.
thank you!!
Late to this but I would also like to recommend the sapphic vampire novel A Long Time Dead whose protagonist is explicitly fat and sexy!
"i think it's important to understand one of the most impactful and popular pieces of vampire media..."
me: it's dracula
"... in modern history"
me: oh *surprised pikachu face* it's twilight
This gives the same energy as me arguing with people about skinny Clarisse in the new Percy Jackson tv show. Demigods aren't real. Why can't she just be fat. People are silly.
that’s why when people give a dozen excuses about why fat vampires can’t exist I’m like…… but they aren’t real??
I feel like vampires should be on the heavier side, it makes sense because they're supposed to be an allegory for over indulging and not having control of how much you eat so I think overweight vampires and even werewolves would make sense as an allergy for food addiction
x files season 5 episode 12 is another fat vampire for ya
an answer: yes there are fat vampires. but the societal norm is "skinny" or "equally proportioned" just like being black as a vampire isn't the norm (vampires usually are pale). they are usually exuding an aura of class and traditional beauty and "perfection" and the term "fat" just doesn't align with that, i know that zeitgeist might play a big role in all that so maybe when chubby becomes the new beauty standart, movie characters like vampires might follow suit.
Really enjoying your video's, gla I found you. One of the consistent Lore's about vampires is that they are sooo beautiful - no one can resist them. And apparently fat women have never been considered beautiful. On a funnier note, Stefanie Myers is fat!
I was just wishing you'd post a long form video again! I think the reason we don't see fat vampires is because vampire shows are still softcore prawn (if you know what I mean 👉👌). And unfortunately fat people aren't seen as sexy. It would be so nice if we actually got more representation for everyone on screen. Representation is so important for EVERYONE.
I never questioned it. But when it does get mention i go off the basis they drink blood. No matter your motablism if your only drinking one liquid and doing all those exercises im not going to be expecting fat people. Im surprised when i see some with muscle 😂😂
yeah but if that’s the case, why do fat vampires exist?
@@lovejessicablair i havent come across fat ones
Pearl from Blade
literally mentioned that character in the first minute of this video
love this video and the social commentary, but do have to state that vampire lore has been deeply sexual and "forbidden desires" since bram stoker. so the 2000s didn't change that fact, they just made it a teen thing. also i would say that the sparkly tortured vampire started out with anne rice/ "interview with the vampire"
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In practical sense I understand why vampires are portrayed as muscular, but what I don't understand is the dact that bigger people also have muscles ?!???? Like 😃😂😂😂 If you're plus size and then turn into a vampire, sure you might get more muscles but the fat won't go anywhere. Like even if you think scientifically, when we die the cells also die. So the fat wouldn't get burned anywhere. Also, wth was that skin melanin stuff 🤣🤡🤡 Like "tell me you're racist without telling me you're a racist". Black and other skin coloured than white ppl can also be pale ??? You can be the deepest shade of black and yet look dead pale when no blood is circulating inside your skin. Wth 🤡 I do hope when the day comes that the vampire genre pics up again that we get more variation and representation. Especially !!! Bc those "bad" vampires are portrayed eating for pleasure and not for hunger, and by science, if you just eat and eat you most likely will gain weight. AND to nit pick even further, surely it would matter what kind of blood you're consuming from what kind of person.
Anyways, thanks for this video. I love the vampire genre but there are some really annoying and stupid things ab it
this video is so vindicating, it reminded me of a godawful quote from the mortal instruments thats been pissing me off since i was 15
"Clary wondered if there were any ugly vampires, or maybe any fat ones. Maybe they didn't make vampires out of ugly people. Or maybe ugly people just didn't want to live forever."
Like jesus christ, you might as well just say fatties and uggos are better off dead. I know the author is fat herself, so i do empathise with where this toxicity comes from, but god its so harmful and irresponsible to put that kind of stuff out into the world, especially when you're writing for young teens.
I don't have any major additions for your very short fat vampire list, but there was a short film (produced by disney :/) called Growing Fangs released a few years back where the main character is a fat teenage girl vampire, and its pretty fun! The main character is played by keyla monterroso mejia, who has a side role in abbott elementary. I'd love it if the movie was less disney and a little more gothy, but i'll take what i can get
that’s so interesting! i’ve never read the mortal instruments but that’s such a wild (and harmful) quote to include in a book that’s predominantly read by tweens/teenagers. this is kind of a tangent but that reminds me of carrie (by stephen king) and how she’s fat in the books but has never been played by a fat actress in the movie adaptations and how much more the story would make sense if they included that detail. representation really matters not just for the people who look like the character, but to de-stigmatize and familiarize those people (whether they’re fat, queer, disabled, poc, etc) for people who aren’t like that character
@@lovejessicablair God I think about fat Carrie all the time! It's such a missed opportunity that none of the many many adaptations of that story (that I know of) have featured a fat actress as Carrie.
There are so many points in the story where a fat actress would make the scene so much more impactful but I think the shower scene especially. The terror of changing/being naked in public and being ridiculed for just having a body is such a quintessential fat coming of age experience.
I'd also just love to see a fat girl use telekinesis to get bloody revenge on everyone who treated her like shit.
The closest to a fat Carrie that I've ever come across is in the notorious flop musical adaptation of Carrie from the 80s. The musical itself is a complete fever dream ( tbh I personally kinda love it) but the main actress linzi hateley, though I can't say that I'd describe her as being fat, was slightly closer in body type to the Carrie of the book.
Vampires are skinny cause their quite literally dead
I think it would be hard to get fat on a diet of Blood, ❤
ok what about people who were fat before being turned?
@@lovejessicablairthey'd lose the fat over time due to their new, liquid only, low cal diet?
@@rsaffron7then why do fat vampires exist?
@@lovejessicablairhonestly their comments aren't worth jack, if we REALLY wanna get into "vampire biology" (without just making stuff up because... it's all fantasy...), people in the real work would die from an all blood diet. That's it, that's the end of the "it makes sense biologically" argument to vampires. The reason they don't die from an all blood diet is because they're made up! Not real!
So I could just as easily say "actually, for vampires, an all human blood diet is like an all carb/overly rich diet, so all human blood drinking vampires should be at least a little fat," because that's the fun of fantasy!
Anyways in this essay, I believe all vampires should be at least a little fat 🧡
Because they eat blood not food 😂
is blood not their version of food?
Imagine missing the point of the whole video
They're fantasy creatures, why would it be "inaccurate" for them to be fat? It's okay for not everybody to look and act the same in a species